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O'Brien & His Coaching Staffs

steelbtexan said:
They were never going to win a SB under Kubiak. 8 yrs of Kubiak is enough proof of that. Hopefully BOB is an upgrade.

I just don't get all of your defending Kubiak at all costs. It's like 10-12 yrs of Kubiak wouldn't be enough to prove to you Kubiak wasn't a championship coach. Cant admit you were wrong about Kubiak, or have an undying mancrush?
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I didn't say anything defending Kubiak in that post. I'd have to look back but I don't think in this thread.

You can state all sorts of **** as if you know it as fact and you don't. I am optimistic about the team. Just a little less giddy than some.

JB said:
The Texans record under Kubiak was 61-67. Not sure what you are saying. If you throw out the two best and the two worst you are looking at 31-33 over 4 yrs.
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And that's exactly what I said. The team was closer to an 8-8 team than a 2-14 team. So I'm not overwhelmed by getting to 8-8.
 
steelbtexan said:
They were never going to win a SB under Kubiak. 8 yrs of Kubiak is enough proof of that. Hopefully BOB is an upgrade.

I just don't get all of your defending Kubiak at all costs. It's like 10-12 yrs of Kubiak wouldn't be enough to prove to you Kubiak wasn't a championship coach. Cant admit you were wrong about Kubiak, or have an undying mancrush?
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Until 2013's disaster, I always objected to "getting rid" of Kubiak because he couldn't win championships. (I still think it is possible- would've happened in 2011). My main objection was that getting rid of a coach getting the team/organization in a much healthier position and regular playoff contenders because you want more is foolish- who replaces him? I don't believe you can just grab anyone and they'll be better and if not, you fire him and get another guy, etc.... I think that methodology is a disaster.

However, Kubiak's message became tired in 2013 and a change was required or this team was going to spiral into the abyss for years, I believe.

As it turns out, we hired a great head coach- a guy I am confident will be among the most successful and respected in the NFL. As an ardent Kubiak-lover, I have seen that clearly since the beginning and yesterday's game was not more convincing for me, but it was a beautiful representation of what Bill O'Brien brings to the Texans schematically, as a game day coach, a leader of men, etc... Superbowl champions on the Raven coaching staff and on the football field were frustrated, confused, and helpless for 60 minutes... not bad considering Tyson Clabo was playing RT, Keenum was QB, Cushing's crippled twin was playing LB, and our #1 pick was IR'd... Oh, and for our players, it is the first year in the system on offense and defense.
 
Lucky said:
True. But, let's not leave out that OB chose the QBs on the carousel. And he chose not to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB. Which it turns out, would not have kept the team from having a winning record at this point. He's done a great job in a lot of aspects. But, I don't think you can say every decision O'Brien made has been golden.
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Hindsight is 20/20.

If Clowney turns out to be the guy they thought he would be, our defense would have been even better earlier on and we probably would have won more games.

But I'm not sure what you mean by what I bolded but I think I disagree with it. I'm pretty sure that we're not in this position if we draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. I'd expect us to be worse off.

That's not saying that OB's decisions were golden on the QB spot but I don't think taking one of the expected QBs in the draft would have been a better decision.
 
infantrycak said:
But including Caper's era under Kubiak isn't close to accurate or objective and Dan knows better. Recency also plays a role.

And even cooking the books including the whole existence you don't get to 2 as the mean or median. It's the aberration and you have to have totally lost your freaking mind to argue otherwise.

But let's play that little game. Throw out the two worst and two best seasons and you get within a game maybe 2 of where the Texans are right now.
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I know better?

Remember how this supposedly "powerhouse" team lost three of their final four in 2012? Three chances to have home field throughout and blew it? Tell me again how that didn't lead in to the 2-14 disaster.

What was Kubiak's record without Wade?

That team was primed to implode. It did. We're supposed to think they weren't anywhere NEAR a 2-14 team?

You also leave out how many of those record "bouncebacks" you refer to include sending your old QB down the river and starting one who never had a winning record. How about 4 different starting QBs? Two who had zero NFL snaps? Lost time for not only your QBs, but your starting RB and your #1 WR?

It's a unique situation. It's been far from perfect, but nowhere near as everyday as you make it seem.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
But I'm not sure what you mean by what I bolded but I think I disagree with it. I'm pretty sure that we're not in this position if we draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. I'd expect us to be worse off.
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How's that? The Texans got nothing (to date) out of their top 2 picks. Had they drafted Bortles, Bridgewater, or Carr and sat them on the bench the entire season, they would be in the exact spot they're in right now. And with O'Brien coaching them, one of them could have made a contribution this season if he chose to play him. That's hindsight, sure. But that's what evaluations are all about.
 
disaacks3 said:
It's a unique situation. It's been far from perfect, but nowhere near as everyday as you make it seem.
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I'm not making anything out to be everyday. Exactly the opposite. We had an epic and unusual fall. I expected a more than usual bounce. We got it. The average bounce is about 2.7 games improvement from 2 wins. Great and I am optimistic for next season.
 
HEAD COACH BILL O’BRIEN
(on saying in his radio show this week that the coaching staff has been performing well) “I believe in this coaching staff. I think there are times when—that was maybe taken a little out of context. I mean I was talking about at times I think there is always things that we can do better, but I think that overall when you look at our coaching staff that we’ve worked well with the players. But, I give the players a lot of credit, that the players have shown up every week, and practiced hard and worked hard in meetings, and it hasn’t always gone our way. I think everybody in here has put in a lot of time to get this first year of kind of a new coaching regime in here and get it off on the right foot. I’m not saying 8-7 is where we want to be, but I know that it’s better than two wins and it’s an improvement over last year.”

(on Defensive Coordinator Romeo Crennel’s performance today in getting the defense ready) “I mean, Romeo is a proven coach, he’s done it for many, many years in this league at a very high level. He’s been a member of five Super Bowls; he’s a great football coach. I think the staff has done a really good job of working with him, it’s a staff that really works well together, they work hard and they communicate well and I think they communicate with the players well. The players have done a good job of going out there and executing, especially over the last two weeks. I give our players a lot of credit.”

(on O’Brien giving everybody a lot of credit and how much credit the head coach should get) “None. This is about a team and a coaching staff that has worked really hard. I’m very proud of these guys. I’m very, very proud of these guys.”

(on if Sunday’s game was the best game for the coaching staff) “I give the assistant coaches a lot of credit. They did a good job with the game plan in all three phases. We feel we’re probably harshest on ourselves. We feel like there are things that we could’ve done better yesterday as a coaching staff, but I would say that the coaching staff, the assistant coaches just so this isn’t the headline that Bill O’Brien says he did a hell of a job coaching. I’m saying that the assistant coaches, the assistant coaches did a great job yesterday of putting the guys in position. But most importantly the players, the players went out there and played really well. That’s most important. Our players went out there and executed the game plan very well.”
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infantrycak said:
I'm not making anything out to be everyday. Exactly the opposite. We had an epic and unusual fall. I expected a more than usual bounce. We got it. The average bounce is about 2.7 games improvement from 2 wins. Great and I am optimistic for next season.
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I think your point is that the 2013 Texans team was a fluke. You won't see a JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, and Arian Foster on a 2-14 team very often. Honest evaluations had this 2014 team at 8-8 (considering the schedule). I think the Vegas over/under was 7.5.

I think the Texans have played to their potential for much of the season. I think they overachieved on Sunday. I also want to say that anytime I think about a COY award, I'm taking the entire staff into that evaluation. Bruce Arians could not have achieved what he has with the Cards without Todd Bowles and his assistants. Ditto O'Brien and his. And I give him credit for putting together a very good staff. That's a very important aspect of a head coach's job.
 
Lucky said:
I think your point is that the 2013 Texans team was a fluke. You won't see a JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, and Arian Foster on a 2-14 team very often. Honest evaluations had this 2014 team at 8-8 (considering the schedule). I think the Vegas over/under was 7.5.

I think the Texans have played to their potential for much of the season. I think they overachieved on Sunday. I also want to say that anytime I think about a COY award, I'm taking the entire staff into that evaluation. Bruce Arians could not have achieved what he has with the Cards without Todd Bowles and his assistants. Ditto O'Brien and his. And I give him credit for putting together a very good staff. That's a very important aspect of a head coach's job.
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Yes. Thank you.
 
He basically repeated himself 4 times.

We won. I deserve none of the credit, and I don't want to read or hear that I did. The assistant coaches and staff did a hell of a job preparing, and the players went out and executed.

We will focus on the next game. The staff will work to prepare the players, and get them ready to play.

And if we lose, it won't be their fault, and it won't be the players fault. It will be all mine, and as the head coach, I didn't do my job.
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That's typical coachspeak, and all NFL coaches know not to ever deviate from that. You deflect all credit, you take all the blame, and you never, never throw anyone under the bus. If you don't follow that unwritten, but sacred guideline, there will never be another job waiting for you when you eventually get fired.
 
Lucky said:
I think your point is that the 2013 Texans team was a fluke. You won't see a JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, and Arian Foster on a 2-14 team very often. Honest evaluations had this 2014 team at 8-8 (considering the schedule). I think the Vegas over/under was 7.5.

I think the Texans have played to their potential for much of the season. I think they overachieved on Sunday. I also want to say that anytime I think about a COY award, I'm taking the entire staff into that evaluation. Bruce Arians could not have achieved what he has with the Cards without Todd Bowles and his assistants. Ditto O'Brien and his. And I give him credit for putting together a very good staff. That's a very important aspect of a head coach's job.
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well put. 2013 was an impossibility. i however think we should be closer to the 10 and 12 win teams than an 8 win team. we just have too much upper level talent, and our depth holes are on the more dominant side of the ball (defense). all we needed was a quarterback and playcaller to win the division, but got neither - so it irks me that we got worse on that side of the ball. we did however upgrade much of our defensive staff, especially the playcaller. i love wade, and if he worked in tandem with romeo they would accentuate eachother's strengths, but romeo is the much more creative coach. kudos to o'brien for the defensive coaches he brought in.
 
Scooter said:
i love wade, and if he worked in tandem with romeo they would accentuate eachother's strengths, but romeo is the much more creative coach. kudos to o'brien for the defensive coaches he brought in.
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I don't understand this. They run completely different schemes. Yeah they are both 3-4 but...
 
JB said:
I don't understand this. They run completely different schemes. Yeah they are both 3-4 but...
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i only mean to say that wade's got areas of strength, especially teaching, that would work well within romeo's system or vice versa. i dont mean we should have 2 defensive coordinators.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm not making anything out to be everyday. Exactly the opposite. We had an epic and unusual fall. I expected a more than usual bounce. We got it. The average bounce is about 2.7 games improvement from 2 wins. Great and I am optimistic for next season.
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That's the entire point - I'm not sure why you expected it.

Historically, that 'huge bounce' is uncommon for the team suffering a "great fall". Link

'93 Oilers 12-4 to 2-14 (sound familiar?) - Next season? 7-9

'01 Bears 13-3 to 4-12 - Next Season? 7-9

'98 Falcons 14-2 to 5-11 - Next Season? 4-12

'98 49'ers 12-4 to 4-12 - Next Season? 6-10

'98 Broncos 14-2 to 6-10 - Next Season? 11-5 (No coaching change)

'06 Ravens 13-3 to 5-11 - Next Season? 11-5 (Flacco the rookie pounds the Texans)

'80 Patriots 10-6 to 2-14 - Next Season? 5-4

'02 Raiders 11-5 to 4-12 - Next Season? 5-11

'07 Packers 13-3 to 6-10 - Next season? 11-5 (No coaching change)

Three had great recoveries. Of those three, two didn't change their coaches.
That leaves Flacco's rookie year as the outlier.

Let me know when you're picking lotto numbers. :D
 
so, we should've kept kubiak and drafted a quarterback in the first round? i'd put us at 11 wins with that scenario to match the others.
 
infantrycak said:
I didn't say anything defending Kubiak in that post. I'd have to look back but I don't think in this thread.

You can state all sorts of **** as if you know it as fact and you don't. I am optimistic about the team. Just a little less giddy than some.



And that's exactly what I said. The team was closer to an 8-8 team than a 2-14 team. So I'm not overwhelmed by getting to 8-8.
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Time to move on from the Kubiak era, I would suggest you do the same.

BTW, I noticed you didn't say I was wrong and instead just started talking crap Blah/Kubiak/Stats/Blah/Kubiak/stats Blah etc....... Kubiak!!!!!!!
 
Lucky said:
How's that? The Texans got nothing (to date) out of their top 2 picks. Had they drafted Bortles, Bridgewater, or Carr and sat them on the bench the entire season, they would be in the exact spot they're in right now. And with O'Brien coaching them, one of them could have made a contribution this season if he chose to play him. That's hindsight, sure. But that's what evaluations are all about.
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It's very hard and kinda rare to draft a QB in the first two rounds with the intention of sitting him and letting him develop, at least in the modern era. In most instances, the idea is for him to see the field some time in the first season.

If we draft someone like Bortles or Bridgewater, I don't think this season would have played out like it did... and I'm not convinced a Bortles or a Bridgewater are ever going to be particularly good QBs. They might be but they might not.

OB has done such a great job with putting this team together and getting this team into its current position, why not trust that his opinion on which QB he wants to work with is the right one? He could have had any of those guys and he decided against them.
 
disaacks3 said:
That's the entire point - I'm not sure why you expected it.

Historically, that 'huge bounce' is uncommon for the team suffering a "great fall".
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Not sure about your research when it doesn't include the Chiefs going from 2-14 to 11-5.

Anyway I looked at it right after last season and posted it then. Don't remember the details and it really doesn't matter. I think last year was the aberration moreso than the two prior years. We'll just agree to disagree.

steelbtexan said:
Time to move on from the Kubiak era, I would suggest you do the same.

BTW, I noticed you didn't say I was wrong and instead just started talking crap Blah/Kubiak/Stats/Blah/Kubiak/stats Blah etc....... Kubiak!!!!!!!
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You're the one who keeps bringing up Kubiak. F'king go find someone defending him to harass. I didn't say ****.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
OB has done such a great job with putting this team together and getting this team into its current position, why not trust that his opinion on which QB he wants to work with is the right one? He could have had any of those guys and he decided against them.
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I'm not saying I don't trust O'Brien. But, I am saying that I don't think he's infallible. The good news is that even if Bortles and Bridgewater turn out to be good QBs (I think they will), there are still other QBs out there that will also become good QBs. O'Brien just has to find one of them.
 
infantrycak said:
Not sure about your research when it doesn't include the Chiefs going from 2-14 to 11-5.

Anyway I looked at it right after last season and posted it then. Don't remember the details and it really doesn't matter. I think last year was the aberration. We'll just agree to disagree.
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Because they were 7-9 the year prior. (that whole great fall thing, remember)

Yes, we'll agree to disagree that O'Brien is doing an above-average job resuscitating the 2-14 Texans.

If this team finishes 9-7 on QB #4 (and what a 4 they've been), he certainly should be in the COTY discussion.


The scary part is the ones we let get away.
 
Scooter said:
still stuck on 2013 being somehow part of the equation. defensive scoring ranks over the past 4 years ... 4, 9, 24, 6 ... which doesnt fit?
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I was responding to your post that all it would take was a QB to get us to 11 wins this year. A rookie QB at that

so, we should've kept kubiak and drafted a quarterback in the first round? i'd put us at 11 wins with that scenario to match the others.
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It took a LOT of changes to get us to where we are. Def and ST were pathetic last year and have been totally revamped this year. From coaches on down, and it needed to be.
 
Lucky said:
I'm not saying I don't trust O'Brien. But, I am saying that I don't think he's infallible. The good news is that even if Bortles and Bridgewater turn out to be good QBs (I think they will), there are still other QBs out there that will also become good QBs. O'Brien just has to find one of them.
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I don't think anyone is saying he's infallible.

But he's done a helluva job.

We can't just be psyched about that?
 
JB said:
I was responding to your post that all it would take was a QB to get us to 11 wins this year. A rookie QB at that


It took a LOT of changes to get us to where we are. Def and ST were pathetic last year and have been totally revamped this year. From coaches on down, and it needed to be.
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i contend that all it would've taken was a quarterback. marciano was on his way out already, to be replaced by our current guy (legashesky). we had a strong defensive staff in place with vance joseph, bill kollar and wade phillips - who as i illustrated just had consecutive top 10 scoring defenses - with a roster that just put up another top 10 scoring defense. hopkins and andre were in place, the line was in place, foster was in place. the only change we really made was a defensive scheme and a downgrade on offense at quarterback and coach.

the only way to argue this is to believe that 2013 was the true reality and every other year was a fluke. that kubiak's system doesnt work anymore (ravens seem to enjoy it), or that wade's doesnt work anymore (cardinals enjoy their 3-4 man to man).
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't think anyone is saying he's infallible.

But he's done a helluva job.

We can't just be psyched about that?
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I'm psyched!!!!

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In my own way.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
We can't just be psyched about that?
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i'm coming across as a complainer here, which i guess i am - but that's not my intent. i'm excited to be back in the playoff discussion, which as houstonians is a victory in its self.

just a bit let down because i had higher expectations than almost getting to where we were.
 
Scooter said:
i contend that all it would've taken was a quarterback. marciano was on his way out already, to be replaced by our current guy (legashesky). we had a strong defensive staff in place with vance joseph, bill kollar and wade phillips - who as i illustrated just had consecutive top 10 scoring defenses - with a roster that just put up another top 10 scoring defense. hopkins and andre were in place, the line was in place, foster was in place. the only change we really made was a defensive scheme and a downgrade on offense at quarterback and coach.

the only way to argue this is to believe that 2013 was the true reality and every other year was a fluke. that kubiak's system doesnt work anymore (ravens seem to enjoy it), or that wade's doesnt work anymore (cardinals enjoy their 3-4 man to man).
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The Ravens offense just got shut down by the Texans. And where is Wade et.al coaching now? Don't understand the Cardinals comment. Bowles worked one year (2007) for Wade as db coach. He learned much more from 5 years at Miami and a year at Philly after that.
 
JB said:
The Ravens offense just got shut down by the Texans. And where is Wade et.al coaching now? Don't understand the Cardinals comment. Bowles worked one year (2007) for Wade as db coach. He learned much more from 5 years at Miami and a year at Philly after that.
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the last time the ravens were in houston was in 2012. flacco went 21-43 for 147 yards, 1 touchdown and 2 interceptions ... a total of 13 points. wade phillips was the coach. kollar is still here and vance joseph is the DB's coach for the bengals, who are leading the toughest division in football. the cardinals comment was referring to a very similar system to wade's being used on an elite defense - so obviously it still works. as for wade, age and price tag are big factors, especially for younger head coaches who want to bring in their guys.
 
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Scooter said:
the last time the ravens were in houston was in 2012. flacco went 21-43 for 147 yards, 1 touchdown and 2 interceptions ... a total of 13 points. wade phillips was the coach. kollar is still here and vance joseph is the DB's coach for the bengals, who are leading the toughest division in football. the cardinals comment was referring to a very similar system to wade's being used on an elite defense - so obviously it still works. as for wade, age and price tag are big factors, especially for younger head coaches who want to bring in their guys.
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Ahh ok, I understand what you are saying. But I still think that it took more than a QB. Kubiak had lost the locker room. The secondary needed new pieces.
The addition of Pickett was huge. The addition of depth has been huge. Who knows where we would have been if Schaub hadn't imploded, but he did and it effected more than just himself.
 
JB said:
Ahh ok, I understand what you are saying. But I still think that it took more than a QB. Kubiak had lost the locker room. The secondary needed new pieces.
The addition of Pickett was huge. The addition of depth has been huge. Who knows where we would have been if Schaub hadn't imploded, but he did and it effected more than just himself.
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i have no counters for these. i could go on for days about WHY i feel kubiak lost the locker room, but the end result is the same (and nobody wants to listen to me rant any more lol). i hate the decision, i think it's one of the worst things we'll do as a franchise - but i cant argue that kubiak didn't earn firing by his loss of the locker room.

and you're certainly right about the secondary and pickett. sure it's much easier to locate competent zone corners than to create good man to man talent, but romeo took it another step and got really REALLY good depth - morris, bouye and rolle have played exceptionally well behind kareem and joseph - as well as lewis at safety. and pickett has been huge, possibly the biggest addition we've made this year (puns intended lol). as i said earlier, i love what romeo's doing. he has a system that is proven, he has strong assistants, and is simply fantastic with the playcalling (better than wade IMO). i just tend to get defensive when praising one appears to downplay the other, both fantastic coaches.
 
Scooter said:
i have no counters for these. i could go on for days about WHY i feel kubiak lost the locker room, but the end result is the same (and nobody wants to listen to me rant any more lol). i hate the decision, i think it's one of the worst things we'll do as a franchise - but i cant argue that kubiak didn't earn firing by his loss of the locker room.

and you're certainly right about the secondary and pickett. sure it's much easier to locate competent zone corners than to create good man to man talent, but romeo took it another step and got really REALLY good depth - morris, bouye and rolle have played exceptionally well behind kareem and joseph - as well as lewis at safety. and pickett has been huge, possibly the biggest addition we've made this year (puns intended lol). as i said earlier, i love what romeo's doing. he has a system that is proven, he has strong assistants, and is simply fantastic with the playcalling (better than wade IMO). i just tend to get defensive when praising one appears to downplay the other, both fantastic coaches.
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And I certainly didn't mean to downplay either Kubiak or Wade. I was a big supporter of both. They both did good things and are good people. It was time to move on.
 
Scooter said:
i contend that all it would've taken was a quarterback. marciano was on his way out already, to be replaced by our current guy (legashesky). we had a strong defensive staff in place with vance joseph, bill kollar and wade phillips - who as i illustrated just had consecutive top 10 scoring defenses - with a roster that just put up another top 10 scoring defense. hopkins and andre were in place, the line was in place, foster was in place. the only change we really made was a defensive scheme and a downgrade on offense at quarterback and coach.

the only way to argue this is to believe that 2013 was the true reality and every other year was a fluke. that kubiak's system doesnt work anymore (ravens seem to enjoy it), or that wade's doesnt work anymore (cardinals enjoy their 3-4 man to man).
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Dude, it's over. You were wrong for 8 years. Accept it. The Texans were a disaster under Kubiak and no one ever took them seriously until Wade came in brought a top 5 defense to the scene. You just can't let it go though. The Texans were never going to win anything under that guy and all of those arguments you guys scrambled together for years always fell flat and were proven wrong when the Texans played their one half of good football. Blaming Marciano?? Lol!!
 
“They know what they’re doing when they line up on defense,” the Ravens coach said. “We do the same thing with our guys. … You wonder why [outside linebackers Elvis] Dumervil and [Terrell] Suggs don’t get chipped as much as they do, it’s because we’re not allowing them to do it. It’s a chess game, and they did a good job. They always do. Romeo Crennel is a great defensive coordinator.”
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“You can’t chip when they have two guys in the A gap [between the guards and center],” Harbaugh said. “It makes it impossible to chip. … They did a good job protecting J.J. and making sure he got single blocks. There weren’t opportunities, really, to chip away at him. When we did have an opportunity to do it, we did. We put a tight end over him a couple times as well.”

Harbaugh said the only other option would have been to go into maximum protection, which would have left just two receivers running routes but facing double coverage...

Neither... maximum protection nor sliding protection Watt’s way seemed appetizing for the Ravens, who allowed quarterback Joe Flacco to be sacked twice, hit 10 times, and hurried 16 times, according to Pro Football Focus. Flacco was just four of 21 when under pressure, for 25 yards, a touchdown, and two interceptions, according to PFF.

“We did everything we could to protect James [Hurst], but the fact of the matter is, in most situations, short of going complete max-protection - and then we’d have both the receivers covered - we didn’t have the opportunity to do that because they had both backers in the A-gaps, and that uses up a [running] back," Harbaugh said.

"It’s either that, or you slide the whole protection the other way, maybe to J.J., which still singles him out, or you put a back on J.J. Watt or [defensive end Jared Crick], who’s a great pass rusher on the other side. It’s not just as simple as some would claim to just chip out, because they don’t always allow you to do that.”
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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/w...saints-philadelphia-eagles-arizona-cardinals/

The Texans blitzed on 43.4 percent of Flacco’s dropbacks, the sixth-highest rate in the league this week, and Baltimore was never able to adjust. Since returning from their Week 10 bye, the Texans are allowing opposing quarterbacks a league-low 22.4 QBR, while their 64.3 opposing passer rating trails only the Seahawks. This is a very good defense, and while it’s not too hyperbolic to suggest that Watt is their engine, it’s been firing on all cylinders for weeks now.
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Did not realize this. RAC and Vrabel doing work
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't know why I'm worried about RAC not coming back next season. But it is nice seeing the defense start to gel. Looks like they got their personnel figured out, I'd love to see these guys play for another 4 weeks.
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RAC is grooming Vrabel. I think, hope, it's one more year.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't know why I'm worried about RAC not coming back next season. But it is nice seeing the defense start to gel. Looks like they got their personnel figured out, I'd love to see these guys play for another 4 weeks.
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I'm not sure why you're worried about it. RAC has failed at being a Head Coach with both Cleveland & Kansas City. I doubt he gets another opportunity this soon.
 
JCTexan said:
I'm not sure why you're worried about it. RAC has failed at being a Head Coach with both Cleveland & Kansas City. I doubt he gets another opportunity this soon.
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I'm more concerned about him retiring. Up till this past Sunday, didn't really look like he was enjoying himself.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm more concerned about him retiring. Up till this past Sunday, didn't really look like he was enjoying himself.
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i cant say i know the man very well, but i get the impression that he's similar to wade in this way as well. he's going to coach until it's not an option anymore. age, large salary and new breeds of head coaches will eventually push him out, but i image crennell will stick around as long as somebody wants him. he did sign a 3 year deal, so he'll probably be around at least that long.
 
JB said:
How can you tell?
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Lots of pictures of Romeo smiling out there. From his past, I always thought of him as a "jolly" person. I haven't been getting that vibe from him till recently.

Anywho, I like the idea that they have a succession plan in place. But I'd prefer he continues to be the man through next season at least.

& the, "I'd like to see this defense another 4 weeks or so" was my slight play off hopes. If these guys can make the next five QBs we face look like Flacco did Sunday, we might all be a little more Jolly come February.


Yes, they have to figure out the QB thing, but that's a different story.
 
thunderkyss said:
Lots of pictures of Romeo smiling out there. From his past, I always thought of him as a "jolly" person. I haven't been getting that vibe from him till recently.

Anywho, I like the idea that they have a succession plan in place. But I'd prefer he continues to be the man through next season at least.

& the, "I'd like to see this defense another 4 weeks or so" was my slight play off hopes. If these guys can make the next five QBs we face look like Flacco did Sunday, we might all be a little more Jolly come February.


Yes, they have to figure out the QB thing, but that's a different story.
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ok, but I've never seen pics of him smiling on game day, unless it was while leading in the super bowl. Do you have different?
 
Scooter said:
i cant say i know the man very well, but i get the impression that he's similar to wade in this way as well. he's going to coach until it's not an option anymore. age, large salary and new breeds of head coaches will eventually push him out, but i image crennell will stick around as long as somebody wants him. he did sign a 3 year deal, so he'll probably be around at least that long.
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This is the way I see it, as well. Plus, it has to be a lot of fun to be a DC with a player like J.J. on the roster. That kind of opportunity to work with a truly elite player does not happen very often, so I would not be surprised if that helps him extend his stay with the Texans.

JB said:
ok, but I've never seen pics of him smiling on game day, unless it was while leading in the super bowl. Do you have different?
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Not game day, but looks pretty happy in this practice pic.

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Last night I dreamed of going back to high school. Bill O'Brien came in as our new math teacher.
But Romeo Crennel is the one who's responsible for the improved record this year.
 
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