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O'Brien & His Coaching Staffs

Double Barrel said:
lol at the idea that O'Brien needs coaches to hold his hands. That's just absurd and most likely side effects from drinking too much hatorade.

A basic understanding of NFL history reveals the cycles that coaches go through as they get hired and fired. The only head coaches that never seem to pop back up as assistants are the ones with Super Bowl championship rings.

But, it is quite common (and always has been) for head coaches to get fired and go back to positions that they excelled at before getting a head coaching gig. Even head coaches who have lost Super Bowls get recycled as assistants. Just look at Ken Whisenhunt, who led the Cardinals to a Super Bowl and is now OC for the Chargers.



I agree. I think McNair has told O'Brien to hire the best coaches at every position, regardless of money. I don't think O'Brien is going about this haphazardly, but rather putting talented minds in position at all facets of the team so everyone is getting high caliber coaching.

O'Brien strikes me as a guy that is not threatened by the coaches around him. You see this in the great coaches, too. They surround themselves with the best staff they can get without concerning themselves about potential future scenarios.

And so much for "bottom line Bob" after this off-season. Hopefully his critics will find something based in reality to criticize in the future.
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Agree with this. It's possible that McNair told him to get the best coaches.

My only concern with Munchack is I don't want the media and fans here fawning all over him, and getting all nostalgic about the Oilers days. John McClain has already said that getting Munchak and Matthews (what, are they a package deal?) would be "magical."

Screw that. Screw the Oilers. We are the Texans, and this is Bill O'Brien's team.
 
Double Barrel said:
lol at the idea that O'Brien needs coaches to hold his hands. That's just absurd and most likely side effects from drinking too much hatorade.

A basic understanding of NFL history reveals the cycles that coaches go through as they get hired and fired. The only head coaches that never seem to pop back up as assistants are the ones with Super Bowl championship rings.

But, it is quite common (and always has been) for head coaches to get fired and go back to positions that they excelled at before getting a head coaching gig. Even head coaches who have lost Super Bowls get recycled as assistants. Just look at Ken Whisenhunt, who led the Cardinals to a Super Bowl and is now OC for the Chargers.



I agree. I think McNair has told O'Brien to hire the best coaches at every position, regardless of money. I don't think O'Brien is going about this haphazardly, but rather putting talented minds in position at all facets of the team so everyone is getting high caliber coaching.

O'Brien strikes me as a guy that is not threatened by the coaches around him. You see this in the great coaches, too. They surround themselves with the best staff they can get without concerning themselves about potential future scenarios.

And so much for "bottom line Bob" after this off-season. Hopefully his critics will find something based in reality to criticize in the future.
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Agree. People are treating this guy like he is a newbie right out of the college ranks. He was in the NFL with the Pats doing good things before Penn St. He has been in Brady's face. Nobody needs to hold this guys hand. Bring in as many top guys as you can. Most SB teams have strong staffs from top to bottom.
 
houstonspartan said:
Agree with this. It's possible that McNair told him to get the best coaches.

My only concern with Munchack is I don't want the media and fans here fawning all over him, and getting all nostalgic about the Oilers days. John McClain has already said that getting Munchak and Matthews (what, are they a package deal?) would be "magical."

Screw that. Screw the Oilers. We are the Texans, and this is Bill O'Brien's team.
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And if your head coach thinks those two are the best for said spots you should get over the Oiler connection
 
I love the staff that BOB is assembling. Vrabel, Munch, Romeo. These are some damn good names. Of course, just like a draft, it's all on paper, but I agree with DB - it looks like McNair is rolling out the red carpet.

As for the hand holding comment, that's just absurd garbage. A man in a leadership position hiring people that could easily take his job says a lot about a man to me. And in a very good way. If BOB hired a bunch of youngins for the job, he'd be complaining about how there was no experience, no "cache", the players wouldn't respect him, he just wanted some cheap yes men, etc.

It's obvious speedfreak doesn't like the hire. I think I could respect him more if he just said I don't like the BOB hire, and stop with the nonsensical comments.

Granted, we don't know how good of a coach BOB or any of the assistants are until the lights come on, but the track record speaks for itself I think.

As to Munch, that would be a fabulous hire. And to say no nostalgia or thinking this is Texans screw the Oilers - as a longtime suffering Oiler fan who idolized Munch and Matthews back in the day, that's rather abrasive and offensive. Besides that, Munch was known as a very good Oline coach. The hire would be because he is a great coach not because he had ties to Houston - the nostalgia for the bygone days of old is just the icing on the cake for me.
 
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Because the farther away we get from anything remotely close
to what we did last year -- the closer we are to having a 2-14
season and the farther we are away from a KC type turnaround.

My biggest fear is for a guy like AJ to have to go through a total
rebuild. (he deserves better than that..)

What will JJ do in free agency if we pull another 10+ loss season?

And all of you guys wanting to put me on ignore -- do it.
I don't want to join into your "yes man" circle jerk.

Just because I think we are headed in the wrong direction doesn't
mean that I'm a bad fan. The tickets I've spent money on in the
past disagrees with your assumption.

I just refuse to fart rainbows and sing kumbaya when I see what
I believe to be 6 more years of mediocrity on the horizon..

"Forums" are supposed to be where people can express these types
of opinions. If they aren't welcome here than this place is
becoming more of a cliquey teen "girls club" than a place where football
fans can really toss ideas around..

PapaL said:
I don;t understand why some folks are so hung up on what the previous staff did. Zone blocking, 3-4, zone, etc...it's a new era. If Munchack gets the OL to sing the D to sleep, who gives a ****? It'll be a step up from last year when the OL tried to tire the D to sleep by letting them run wild.
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speedfreek said:
Because the farther away we get from anything remotely close
to what we did last year -- the closer we are to having a 2-14
season and the farther we are away from a KC type turnaround.

My biggest fear is for a guy like AJ to have to go through a total
rebuild. (he deserves better than that..)

What will JJ do in free agency if we pull another 10+ loss season?

And all of you guys wanting to put me on ignore -- do it.
I don't want to join into your "yes man" circle jerk.

Just because I think we are headed in the wrong direction doesn't
mean that I'm a bad fan. The tickets I've spent money on in the
past disagrees with your assumption.

I just refuse to fart rainbows and sing kumbaya when I see what
I believe to be 6 more years of mediocrity on the horizon..

"Forums" are supposed to be where people can express these types
of opinions. If they aren't welcome here than this place is
becoming more of a cliquey teen "girls club" than a place where football
fans can really toss ideas around..
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Wha??? The farther we get from the crap of last years 2-14, the closer we get to 2-14 crap? C'MON MAN!
 
Porky said:
I love the staff that BOB is assembling. Vrabel, Munch, Romeo. These are some damn good names. Of course, just like a draft, it's all on paper, but I agree with DB - it looks like McNair is rolling out the red carpet.



As for the hand holding comment, that's just absurd garbage. A man in a leadership position hiring people that could easily take his job says a lot about a man to me. And in a very good way. If BOB hired a bunch of youngins for the job, he'd be complaining about how there was no experience, no "cache", the players wouldn't respect him, he just wanted some cheap yes men, etc.



It's obvious speedfreak doesn't like the hire. I think I could respect him more if he just said I don't like the BOB hire, and stop with the nonsensical comments.



Granted, we don't know how good of a coach BOB or any of the assistants are until the lights come on, but the track record speaks for itself I think.



As to Munch, that would be a fabulous hire. And to say no nostalgia or thinking this is Texans screw the Oilers - as a longtime suffering Oiler fan who idolized Munch and Matthews back in the day, that's rather abrasive and offensive. Besides that, Munch was known as a very good Oline coach. The hire would be because he is a great coach not because he had ties to Houston - the nostalgia for the bygone days of old is just the icing on the cake for me.
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My intent was not to offend Oiler fans. Maybe I don't get it because I'm not from here originally. But, let's be real: the Oilers no longer exist. Getting nostalgic about them is fine. I'm just saying I don't want a Munchak and potential Matthews hire to get all of the attention and deflect from what O'Brien is trying to build.


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Dude, express your opinion. Like you just did here. That's well thought out. The opinion is garbage imo for various reasons but at least it has some thought behind it.

But you haven't been expressing well thought out views. You're just taking pot shots at every decision made.

That's what is landing you on ignore lists, not because you're not a sunshine pumper. And BTW, I don't think the majority are Sunshine Pumpers - we (or at least me) are just excited about the coaching staff being assembled. It's actually possible to have a view that is positive toward the Texans without being a sunshine pumper.
 
speedfreek said:
Because the farther away we get from anything remotely close
to what we did last year -- the closer we are to having a 2-14
season and the farther we are away from a KC type turnaround.

My biggest fear is for a guy like AJ to have to go through a total
rebuild. (he deserves better than that..)

What will JJ do in free agency if we pull another 10+ loss season?

And all of you guys wanting to put me on ignore -- do it.
I don't want to join into your "yes man" circle jerk.

Just because I think we are headed in the wrong direction doesn't
mean that I'm a bad fan. The tickets I've spent money on in the
past disagrees with your assumption.

I just refuse to fart rainbows and sing kumbaya when I see what
I believe to be 6 more years of mediocrity on the horizon..

"Forums" are supposed to be where people can express these types
of opinions. If they aren't welcome here than this place is
becoming more of a cliquey teen "girls club" than a place where football
fans can really toss ideas around..
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While we don't see eye-to-eye on this issue, you certainly have a right to your opinions. You are not flaming anyone and are just presenting your thoughts.

Folks are excited right now, so you're just taking a little heat for a contrary perspective. Nobody knows who is right or wrong right now, so it's all just speculation.

Don't sweat it. I hope you're completely wrong for the sake of the franchise (since none of our opinions really influence anything), but I can understand your fears. I don't want to go there in my own mind right now, but you definitely have a right to feel the way you do.
 
speedfreek said:
Because the farther away we get from anything remotely close

to what we did last year -- the closer we are to having a 2-14

season and the farther we are away from a KC type turnaround.



My biggest fear is for a guy like AJ to have to go through a total

rebuild. (he deserves better than that..)



What will JJ do in free agency if we pull another 10+ loss season?



And all of you guys wanting to put me on ignore -- do it.

I don't want to join into your "yes man" circle jerk.



Just because I think we are headed in the wrong direction doesn't

mean that I'm a bad fan. The tickets I've spent money on in the

past disagrees with your assumption.



I just refuse to fart rainbows and sing kumbaya when I see what

I believe to be 6 more years of mediocrity on the horizon..



"Forums" are supposed to be where people can express these types

of opinions. If they aren't welcome here than this place is

becoming more of a cliquey teen "girls club" than a place where football

fans can really toss ideas around..
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Well, since you want to pull out the "I've spent money on this team" card...

I did the math and added up all the money I've spent on the Texans. All in - tickets, parking, gear, food, beer, airfare and hotel for away games - is about $15k. And that's nothing: I have friends that have been ticket holders since day one, and they've spent a lot more than me.

And guess what? We ALL wanted change and are excited about the potential of this staff.




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Here's the problem I have with all of this..

Everyone is saying "we're really close". "We have the talent.."
"We just need a QB", etc. You can't forget about the 10-6
and 12-4 immediately preceeding the 2-14

If we change everything, all position coaches, blocking schemes,
etc. Then we're going to need at least another year just to
figure out new terminology and find out which players are going
to work in the new schemes (possibly out of position)
and which ones are not!

It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If we pull another 4-12 or 5-11 season, and BOB is a hothead
and we end up going along the Schiano route, what does it
mean for all of our star players than have payed their dues for
the last half-dozen years?

I believed we were close too. I was no fan of Kubiak, and
certainly not of the worst ST coach in the NFL. Wade's scheme
was no longer working, etc.

But to let all of the individual position coaches go without
any serious evaluation was a mistake...

It just makes me feel really uncomfortable about the way
BOB is going to run this organization..

I hope the guys BOB hires into these position coach jobs have
a "come in and work with the players" approach, and not a
"my way or the highway" attitude..

JB said:
Wha??? The farther we get from the crap of last years 2-14, the closer we get to 2-14 crap? C'MON MAN!
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Another year and no trophy. New staff, some new players, reset and reshuffle the deck again. Onwards and upwards and all that horse$hit.

At least we have something new to talk about, and not another frigging year of when the **** is Kubiak going to be fired. LOL
 
Good for you. I hope you are right, I do.

But right now, there's not enough evidence to know whether
you or right, or I am..

Just because I disagree with you (and anyone else that thinks
that BOB is the second coming of Lombardi) doesn't mean I am
a bad fan..

At this point, my opinion is just as valid as yours. And if you're
too uptight (or offended) to admit that.. Then, to quote Gary --
"It's on you.."

houstonspartan said:
Well, since you want to pull out the "I've spent money on this team" card...

I did the math and added up all the money I've spent on the Texans. All in - tickets, parking, gear, food, beer, airfare and hotel for away games - is about $15k. And that's nothing: I have friends that have been ticket holders since day one, and they've spent a lot more than me.

And guess what? We ALL wanted change and are excited about the potential of this staff.
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speedfreek said:
Here's the problem I have with all of this..

Everyone is saying "we're really close". "We have the talent.."
"We just need a QB", etc. You can't forget about the 10-6
and 12-4 immediately preceeding the 2-14

If we change everything, all position coaches, blocking schemes,
etc. Then we're going to need at least another year just to
figure out new terminology and find out which players are going
to work in the new schemes (possibly out of position)
and which ones are not!

It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If we pull another 4-12 or 5-11 season, and BOB is a hothead
and we end up going along the Schiano route, what does it
mean for all of our star players than have payed their dues for
the last half-dozen years?

I believed we were close too. I was no fan of Kubiak, and
certainly not of the worst ST coach in the NFL. Wade's scheme
was no longer working, etc.

But to let all of the individual position coaches go without
any serious evaluation was a mistake...

It just makes me feel really uncomfortable about the way
BOB is going to run this organization..

I hope the guys BOB hires into these position coach jobs have
a "come in and work with the players" approach, and not a
"my way or the highway" attitude..
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Good Grief.

You're missing the bigger picture. This isn't just a coaching change; they're changing the overall culture of the franchise. The Texans have a reputation for being a Country Club franchise that produces weak, underperforming players.

In order to change that culture, you have to clean house, even if it means firing staff members that were good at their jobs (though, at 2-14, it would be hard to argue that anyone was any good).

O'Brien has no need to evaluate Kubiak's coaches, because he - and McNair - probably believe that Kubiak's coaches are not very good.

I think the way he's gone about it is great: get rid of all the coaches, and have your own people evaluate the players.
 
speedfreek said:
Good for you. I hope you are right, I do.

But right now, there's not enough evidence to know whether
you or right, or I am..

Just because I disagree with you (and anyone else that thinks
that BOB is the second coming of Lombardi) doesn't mean I am
a bad fan..

At this point, my opinion is just as valid as yours. And if you're
too uptight (or offended) to admit that.. Then, to quote Gary --
"It's on you.."
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Of course it's your opinion. And, of course there's not enough evidence who is right. The guy has been here a week.

But there IS enough evidence - 8 years - to know that Kubiak's staff was terrible.
 
I'm cool with sending everyone packing if McNair is willing to tell
everyone we're in a rebuild -- and start cutting ticket prices, etc.

If you wanna gamble on a new guy -- and are willing to take the
risks of multiple crappy seasons to see it through then so be it.

But, if it were me, this guy is on a short leash. I give him 3 years
tops to show me he's going to build a superbowl contender.

If you're going to flush everything (and I mean everything) then
you damn well better be right.

houstonspartan said:
Good Grief.
I think the way he's gone about it is great: get rid of all the coaches, and have your own people evaluate the players.
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speedfreek said:
I'm cool with sending everyone packing if McNair is willing to tell
everyone we're in a rebuild -- and start cutting ticket prices, etc.

If you wanna gamble on a new guy -- and are willing to take the
risks of multiple crappy seasons to see it through then so be it.

But, if it were me, this guy is on a short leash. I give him 3 years
tops to show me he's going to build a superbowl contender.

If you're going to flush everything (and I mean everything) then
you damn well better be right.
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But that's the thing: 3-4 years isn't a short leash; it's normal. Most coaches only GET 3-5 years. That is a decent amount of time to evaluate a coach, and to see where he's taking the team.

I'm a fan of giving a guy 5 years. But, you can easily see by the end of year 3 if it's going to work or not.

Let's not forget that Kubiak getting 8 years was abnormal in the NFL.
 
speedfreek said:
Here's the problem I have with all of this..

Everyone is saying "we're really close". "We have the talent.."
"We just need a QB", etc. You can't forget about the 10-6
and 12-4 immediately preceeding the 2-14

If we change everything, all position coaches, blocking schemes,
etc. Then we're going to need at least another year just to
figure out new terminology and find out which players are going
to work in the new schemes (possibly out of position)
and which ones are not!

It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If we pull another 4-12 or 5-11 season, and BOB is a hothead
and we end up going along the Schiano route, what does it
mean for all of our star players than have payed their dues for
the last half-dozen years?

I believed we were close too. I was no fan of Kubiak, and
certainly not of the worst ST coach in the NFL. Wade's scheme
was no longer working, etc.

But to let all of the individual position coaches go without
any serious evaluation was a mistake...

It just makes me feel really uncomfortable about the way
BOB is going to run this organization..

I hope the guys BOB hires into these position coach jobs have
a "come in and work with the players" approach, and not a
"my way or the highway" attitude..
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This team is getting exactly what it needed, a drastic change in attitude.

We needed a swift kick in the ass and that's what O'Brien is bringing.

Your way is the Kubiak way, and that didn't produce a killer instinct at all.
 
So, let me get something straight here..

Is a "KC turnaround" something you're hoping will happen, or are you actually expecting it to happen?

If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
 
Marcus said:
If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
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I really don't understand why Bob is getting raked over the coals for this (besides by speedfreak,who I guess wants to save money on tickets) . As the top guy he should be setting high expectations. If anything I'd say he has done a poor job of it in the past. Or at least holding people to them. I bet internally the Steelers probably knew they were in for a dicey year, but no one was saying "let's just try to slide into the playoffs guys and hope for the best. Participation trophies for everyone at years end!"
 
Marcus said:
So, let me get something straight here..

Is a "KC turnaround" something you're hoping will happen, or are you actually expecting it to happen?

If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
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I expect 6-10.

I'm hoping for 19-0.
 
I expect a Texans vs Lions, coached by Kubiak, in the Superbowl.

Lions win and the city of Houston goes on lockdown
 
Here's another one that makes me laugh . .

"I want a head coach who hold his players accountable!" :rolleyes:

In other words, you want someone who publicly throws his players under the bus, just so it will make you feel better.

Another one ..

All this Belichick nonsense, and how all the Patriots do is win. We'll see how far down the tracks that gravy train rolls when Brady hangs up his cleats.
 
Marcus said:
So, let me get something straight here..

Is a "KC turnaround" something you're hoping will happen, or are you actually expecting it to happen?

If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
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Hoping but I believe the Texans are a good enough team for it to happen.

paycheck71 said:
I can't believe some are already talking about firing a coach who's been on the job for 1 week.
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Just wait until we lose a game... Then all hell will break loose. :evil:
 
IDEXAN said:
Line coach to NFL Head Coach ? Excellent !
3 years as an NFL Head Coach directly to Line coach ? Not Good !
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It's actually more common than not given Munch's circumstances.

Mike Singletary, Rod Marinelli, Mike Tice, and Jim Zorn are four guys I can think of who were hired as HC's without any NFL coordinator experience, and then fired. None of the four got coordinator gigs the year after they were fired, although both Marinelli and Tice become coordinators later.

The only recent exception to this I can think of was Tony Sparano who went straight from being the HC of the Dolphins to being OC of the Jets (and then being fired). While he did coordinate the Cowboys running game while Parcells was still there, I don't see that he ever coordinated an entire offense.

Granted, I may be missing some, but there's not a long list of guys that go directly from NFL position coach to NFL HC to fired.
 
Marcus said:
So, let me get something straight here..

Is a "KC turnaround" something you're hoping will happen, or are you actually expecting it to happen?

If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
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I hope for a 1 year turnaround, but I expect a rebuild of 2-3 seasons.

I've said it all along. New HC, new staff, new schemes, new QB. Any one of those is an uphill battle. All of them? It's rebuild time with some of the same building materials in place (i.e. AJ, JJ, etc.).

Anyone expecting / demanding playoffs next year is drunk on McNair's koolaide. No insult intended, but it's just not a pragmatic perspective.

And I do not fault McNair for serving the koolaide. It's his job as owner, to always put the best spin on it for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, his spin is powerful stuff, and a lot of fans are buying into it without looking big picture.
 
Porky said:
Dude, express your opinion. Like you just did here. That's well thought out. The opinion is garbage imo for various reasons but at least it has some thought behind it.

But you haven't been expressing well thought out views. You're just taking pot shots at every decision made.

That's what is landing you on ignore lists, not because you're not a sunshine pumper. And BTW, I don't think the majority are Sunshine Pumpers - we (or at least me) are just excited about the coaching staff being assembled. It's actually possible to have a view that is positive toward the Texans without being a sunshine pumper.
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Yeah, that and bottom quoting. But maybe that's just me.

For the record, I'm ecstatic about the staff BO'B is assembling. Where's SH now? He'd have a hard time selling McNair is CHEAP now.

Go Texans~!
 
speedfreek said:
If we change everything, all position coaches, blocking schemes,
etc. Then we're going to need at least another year just to
figure out new terminology and find out which players are going
to work in the new schemes (possibly out of position)
and which ones are not!
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You really think that a team can not learn a scheme in less than a year? And do really think new position coaches makes a player forget everything he already learned?

I know an NFL playbook is probably 100 times more complicated than anything I've ever had to learn but its their job to learn it
 
Double Barrel said:
I hope for a 1 year turnaround, but I expect a rebuild of 2-3 seasons.
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We're in the worst division in football. 4 of our 6 games will be against two franchises that have shown no ability to field a competent NFL team in recent history. (Sure, they beat us in 2013).

Then we'll play the AFC North. Two more games against struggling franchises (Steelers & Browns).

Then two more games against the worst teams in the other two divisions. Oakland & Buffalo.

Lastly, we play the worst division in the NFC. The Giants & Eagles have reason to believe they'll fare better in 2014. The Cowboys, not so much, & the Redskins are in the same position we are.

That's 10 games against 10 teams that have no business winning any more than we do.
 
thunderkyss said:
We're in the worst division in football. 4 of our 6 games will be against two franchises that have shown no ability to field a competent NFL team in recent history. (Sure, they beat us in 2013).

Then we'll play the AFC North. Two more games against struggling franchises (Steelers & Browns).

Then two more games against the worst teams in the other two divisions. Oakland & Buffalo.

Lastly, we play the worst division in the NFC. The Giants & Eagles have reason to believe they'll fare better in 2014. The Cowboys, not so much, & the Redskins are in the same position we are.

That's 10 games against 10 teams that have no business winning any more than we do.
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Okay. Everything you said is a solid case to build hope on.

But expecting playoffs based on the above when the Texans don't even have a starting QB right now?

Expectation is a "strong belief that something will happen". You are free to expect whatever you want, but for myself, I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment. I'm a patient fan that knows it can take time.

Obviously, I'd love nothing more than the Texans in the playoffs in 2014. However, I'm not going to join the Fire O'Brien Club if it does not happen, and that, to me, is the difference between hope and expectation.
 
Double Barrel said:
Okay. Everything you said is a solid case to build hope on.

But expecting playoffs based on the above when the Texans don't even have a starting QB right now?
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10 wins does not guarantee we'll make the play offs. All I'm saying is that it's not as hard to start "winning" again. 60% of our schedule aren't much (if any) better than we are at the QB position.

Gabbert (x2)
Locker (x2)
Pryor??
Manuel
Weeden/Hoyer
Griffin
Foles
Roethlisberger
Romo

Everyone of them are probably more scared of us than we are of them.
 
So for all you pessimists out there, why is it the Chiefs AND Eagles cleaned house and in one off-season turned it around? But the Texans with equally OR better talent, cannot?

Its because you're all whiny and hate life.
 
amazing80 said:
So for all you pessimists out there, why is it the Chiefs AND Eagles cleaned house and in one off-season turned it around? But the Texans with equally OR better talent, cannot?

Its because you're all whiny and hate life.
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Sometimes I feel like some fans would be bitching no matter what, even if we won the SB - wrong coach, wrong scheme, we didn't win-they lost, McNair is still too cheap, etc, etc, etc. What's the point of being a fan if you're never happy? RIGHT NOW is the best time to be optimistic if you're a Texans fan.
 
Double Barrel said:
Okay. Everything you said is a solid case to build hope on.

But expecting playoffs based on the above when the Texans don't even have a starting QB right now?

Expectation is a "strong belief that something will happen". You are free to expect whatever you want, but for myself, I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment. I'm a patient fan that knows it can take time.

Obviously, I'd love nothing more than the Texans in the playoffs in 2014. However, I'm not going to join the Fire O'Brien Club if it does not happen, and that, to me, is the difference between hope and expectation.
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No different than the people who were crowning the colts division/SB champs before luck even took a snap in the NFL, hell before they even drafted him. Is there a Luck in this years draft ? Well we know there isnt one with the hype that luck had, but there could be one or even one better. Key is do we get him ?
 
amazing80 said:
So for all you pessimists out there, why is it the Chiefs AND Eagles cleaned house and in one off-season turned it around? But the Texans with equally OR better talent, cannot?

Its because you're all whiny and hate life.
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Yeah, and if they DON'T make a turn around in one season, you'll be the first one out of the gate being all whiny and hating life.

Being excited and optimistic doesn't mean that you have to lose your head.
 
amazing80 said:
So for all you pessimists out there, why is it the Chiefs AND Eagles cleaned house and in one off-season turned it around? But the Texans with equally OR better talent, cannot?

Its because you're all whiny and hate life.
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I'm normally a sun-shiner and by the time the draft rolls around, I'm sure I'll be looking for the bright side of everything.

But.

The Miami Dolphins went 1-15 and then the next year (playing a last place schedule), they went 11-5 and went to the playoffs. And a couple more years of <50% winning after that and the coach was fired and they were trying again.

The Chiefs and the Eagles haven't shown that they can sustain this winning, yet. They may be back to bottom-feeding next year.

Most teams since 1990 or so that have 2 win seasons and change coaches improve to a 6 win season.

So that's what I consider a realistic expectation. I'm hoping for more and I'll be cheering the team on. But that's my expectation.
 
Marcus said:
Here's another one that makes me laugh . .

"I want a head coach who hold his players accountable!" :rolleyes:

In other words, you want someone who publicly throws his players under the bus, just so it will make you feel better.

Another one ..

All this Belichick nonsense, and how all the Patriots do is win. We'll see how far down the tracks that gravy train rolls when Brady hangs up his cleats.
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11-5 with Matt Cassell at QB is good enough for me.

Cassell will be the vet QB pickup if they hold true to form.
 
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