Not to rekindle a dying fire, BUT....

[Runner]

A chilling vision of things to come. But there is always that whole idea of that is why they play the game. At this moment in time they have zero measureables in their NFL careers, it truly is a tabula rasa.

All we have here is one more sour thread on what was, rather than on what will be.

Next time say clean slate.


I also can't believe that with post #4 you thought this would be a sour thread.

 

[Vinny]

You're wrong. S.Young was a scrambler. Fran Tarkenton style. He was athletic, but no where near Vince's abilities. Well, he was like him in another way... you know: The Last Name.

S.Young also was known for his intelligence. That, and snubbing the NFL for the USFL. Something Vince is not known for.

Young was an option QB and had a hard time getting on at BYU at first since they saw him as an option guy. You can check for yourself on that one. He was very much a runner as I posted in that link above. Steve Young didn't pass for over 53% till his 4th year in the NFL and had a knock on him that he ran too much. Nothing you type can change that.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Well no one really knows who wanted Vince or wanted Leinart. EVERYTHING that is said is hearsay.

If you want to go by what the coaches have said to the media, then everyone wanted Young. Well maybe not everyone, but they all came to an agreement to pick Young.

Obviously the majority of the Titans FO and Coaches wanted Young or he wouldn't be on the team. If everyone on the coaching staff and FO wanted Leinart I honestly don't think Bud would just completely veto that and say "Young or bust!" .... if Bud wanted to run his team that much he wouldn't have a GM....get my point?

So why dont we just leave it at this: Vince Young is on the Titans and he wouldn't be unless a majority of Titans FO/Coaching staff wanted him there.

 

[infantrycak]

So you're saying even though Matt looked like he was a top 3 pick(according to ESPN), those who make the decisions, didn't think he was worth the price??

This really isn't a difficult concept--it is expensive to move up and if you are picking in the top 10 you already suck and have multiple holes. Sean Taylor was top 5 talent but there was no point in the Texans moving up from 10 and giving up Dunta plus 2-3 other picks. Every team in the league may rate Mario worth a 1st overall or 2nd--that doesn't mean every team or any team will trade up to get him because of the price both cap wise and pick wise to make the move.

I have not heard any reports that the Titans GM wanted anyone but VY so by the reports the owner and GM wanted VY and the HC and OC wanted Leinart. It really doesn't matter.

 

[Vinny]

This really isn't a difficult concept--it is expensive to move up and if you are picking in the top 10 you already suck and have multiple holes. Sean Taylor was top 5 talent but there was no point in the Texans moving up from 10 and giving up Dunta plus 2-3 other picks. Every team in the league may rate Mario worth a 1st overall or 2nd--that doesn't mean every team or any team will trade up to get him because of the price both cap wise and pick wise to make the move.

I think teams will pay for a star QB but not a SS or FS. I don't even think teams want to pay 8-9 mil a year for a rb (the Bush at #1 thing). I don't think there are any teams that are wary of putting a big cap hit on a QB they feel is a can't miss...even though there is no such thing.

I think Leinart will be almost as good as Pennington when this all shakes out. Time always tells.

 

[srstex]

Yeah, Vince really hurt himself on the Wonderlic. Going #3 in the draft and first QB taken...damn that test really affected the Titans feelings.

F the wonderlic. Vince Young can be deaf, dumb, and blind for all i care as long as he wins us games.

Bringing up the wonderlic is pointless. These guys aren't applying for med school.

We know VY won't

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

We know VY won't

Won't what? I can't read your mind.

 

[infantrycak]

I think teams will pay for a star QB but not a SS or FS.

I was just illustrating with a trade up advocated by many at this MB--the point was merely how much has to be given up--multiple players and additional cap space--to move up. So even where a team thinks a player is the 3rd best player on their board they won't move up.

 

[Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry]

Well no one really knows who wanted Vince or wanted Leinart. EVERYTHING that is said is hearsay.

If you want to go by what the coaches have said to the media, then everyone wanted Young. Well maybe not everyone, but they all came to an agreement to pick Young.

Obviously the majority of the Titans FO and Coaches wanted Young or he wouldn't be on the team. If everyone on the coaching staff and FO wanted Leinart I honestly don't think Bud would just completely veto that and say "Young or bust!" .... if Bud wanted to run his team that much he wouldn't have a GM....get my point?

So why dont we just leave it at this: Vince Young is on the Titans and he wouldn't be unless a majority of Titans FO/Coaching staff wanted him there.

We need BUM and EARL on this MB BUTT ADAMS runs the Titans What he wants he gets period. Ask every fan in HOUSTON. GM or No GM

 

[Vinny]

I was just illustrating with a trade up advocated by many at this MB--the point was merely how much has to be given up--multiple players and additional cap space--to move up. So even where a team thinks a player is the 3rd best player on their board they won't move up.

I understand and you make fine counter points as these issues make for a good debate/argument.

 

[KKHouston]

Young was an option QB and had a hard time getting on at BYU at first since they saw him as an option guy. You can check for yourself on that one. He was very much a runner as I posted in that link above. Steve Young didn't pass for over 53% till his 4th year in the NFL and had a knock on him that he ran too much. Nothing you type can change that.

Steve Young:
Completed 71.3 percent (306-429 for 3,902 yards and 33 TDs) of his passes as a senior for the highest single-season percentage in NCAA history at the time ... BYU won 11 of 12 games, including a Holiday Bowl victory over Missouri, in 1983, as he passed for better that 300 yards in all but two of the games.

During his NFL career, the left-hander threw for 3,000 or more yards six times and had 20 or more touchdown passes in a season five times, and posted a passer rating of 100 or higher six times. Aside from his passing ability, Young was a constant threat as a runner. He ran for 4,239 yards and scored 43 rushing touchdowns.

Young, one of the most accurate passers in league history, was named All-Pro in 1992, 1993, 1994, and 1998 and earned All-NFC honors three times. The two-time league MVP also was selected to the Pro Bowl seven times.


BYU and Young:

He spent two years on the bench behind...Jim McMahon. Yeah, he had a hard time getting on at BYU. He simply went on after McMahon went Pro and threw for 7700+ Yard and 56 TD's in two years.


Sounds a lot like an option QB as opposed to one who was: Accurate, Intelligent, and could scramble.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

We need BUM and EARL on this MB BUTT ADAMS runs the Titans What he wants he gets period. Ask every fan in HOUSTON. GM or No GM

Well then I'm glad he gets what he wants. I've been wanting to see Vince Young in two-tone blue since the '05 Rose Bowl.

 

[Coach C.]

KKHouston read the post man. He said he did not pass for a certain completion percentage until till his 4th year in the league. He spent some time behind Montana, but no one questions how good HOFer Steve Young is. I doubt Vinny is even questioning that, but Young was an option QB and a running guy for a while and then settled down into the WestCoast offense. The one thing that Young had over a Vick and Young is that he was a smarter guy, and was not as athletic as they were. Young's career ended because he could not always get away like the before mentioned guys and the concussions piled up. Vick is a success in this league already, but will he ever be a good passer? Not likely...

 

[KKHouston]

Well then I'm glad he gets what he wants. I've been wanting to see Vince Young in two-tone blue since the '05 Rose Bowl.

But not prior? Did you even know who he was prior to his Sophomore Year? You've followed him for a while....

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

But not prior? Did you even know who he was prior to his Sophomore Year? You've followed him for a while....

Notice I said '05 Rose bowl. But before that I had only heard his name, not seen him perform.

But it is crazy how many Titans fans only saw him play in the National Championship game. I guess that's ok though, some people aren't big college fans.

 

[KKHouston]

KKHouston read the post man. He said he did not pass for a certain completion percentage until till his 4th year in the league. He spent some time behind Montana, but no one questions how good HOFer Steve Young is. I doubt Vinny is even questioning that, but Young was an option QB and a running guy for a while and then settled down into the WestCoast offense. The one thing that Young had over a Vick and Young is that he was a smarter guy, and was not as athletic as they were. Young's career ended because he could not always get away like the before mentioned guys and the concussions piled up. Vick is a success in this league already, but will he ever be a good passer? Not likely...

Thanks, Coach C... my point exactly. Comparing Vick and V. Young to S. Young is not the same due to intelligence, and passing ability. S. Young was a passer in College as well as he could run if needed.

V.Young has a LONG way to go to be even mentioned in the same sentence as S. Young. However, comparing him to Vick isn't that difficult at this stage. He's the closest comparison to him in the league today.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Thanks, Coach C... my point exactly. Comparing Vick and V. Young to S. Young is not the same due to intelligence, and passing ability. S. Young was a passer in College as well as he could run if needed.

V.Young has a LONG way to go to be even mentioned in the same sentence as S. Young. However, comparing him to Vick isn't that difficult at this stage. He's the closest comparison to him in the league today.

Vince might have a long way to go but I am more than willing to wait. I'd be thrilled to see Volek start all 16 games this year.

 

[KKHouston]

Notice I said '05 Rose bowl. But before that I had only heard his name, not seen him perform.

I went back and edited in the Sophomore year.

I've seen Vince play in High School, and thought he was something special. He is talented, and probably one of the best "pure" athletes out there today.

My only point is that this is now the NFL, and while I sincerely hope this doesn't happen, he's a prime candidate for following the McNabb/McNair/Vick path and being hurt, often. He HAS to learn to do that only when it matters, and rely on those around him to produce as well. It's difficult for someone who is such a competitor do that... as evidenced by the above players.

You've got a good player there, and I am not knocking him. He's just simply not the type of QB for Kubiak's offense here, and while I don't doubt Vince's ability, I do doubt that a leopard can change his spots.

Good luck this season.

 

[KKHouston]

Vince might have a long way to go but I am more than willing to wait. I'd be thrilled to see Volek start all 16 games this year.

As would I, Tack. Bring him along correctly.

 

[Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry]

Vince might have a long way to go but I am more than willing to wait. I'd be thrilled to see Volek start all 16 games this year.

Volek will not start all 16 games. I'm telling you right now Bud will start VY in the hou game just to Pi$$ of all the UT/VY fans that are unhappy with our FO for not drafting him. It's just the way the old man is when it comes to the city of Houston.

 

[KKHouston]

Volek will not start all 16 games. I'm telling you right now Bud will start VY in the hou game just to Pi$$ of all the UT/VY fans that are unhappy with our FO for not drafting him. It's just the way the old man is when it comes to the city of Houston.

You're right.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Well we get to see Vince in action in t-minus 3 1/2 days. I will be there in person, but you guys can catch it on NFL network.

Vince vs. Reggie baby!!!

 

[KKHouston]

Well we get to see Vince in action in t-minus 3 1/2 days. I will be there in person, but you guys can catch it on NFL network.

Vince vs. Reggie baby!!!

Looking forward to it!

 

[thunderkyss]

Well we get to see Vince in action in t-minus 3 1/2 days. I will be there in person, but you guys can catch it on NFL network.

Vince vs. Reggie baby!!!

Part II

 

[thunderkyss]

Go David.

 

[David's Busted Carr]

Funny how everyone says this is an "old" topic, and people a few of you have said this is the worst post of the year, but still gets 9 pages of responses.

Let me rephrase the point I was trying to make.

I am NOT bashing Mario Williams, in fact I like him and think he might become a great player (look at my avatar).

BUT, at this point in time, the Texans NEED an explosive playmaking RB/WR more than they NEED another DE. Switching to 4-3 defense we would have been just fine with Weaver, Peek, and Babin covering the DEs with Smith, Payne, and TJ inside.

Who do we have as our RBs now? And QUIT comparing this team to Denver!!! PLEASE!!! People keep doing this and it annoys the hell out of me. Denver has had an ESTABLISHED STUD quality line for the past 10 years. That is why they can plug almost anyone back there with success. The Texans Oline has been THE WORST in the NFL the past 4 years. And while Kubiak's system will help, they WILL NOT be Denver's oline!

And it's more than just on the field. Imagine the buzz and interest the Texans would have right now with Reggie on our team. Right now people mention the Texans the general sentiment is "yeah, they got a new coach, but I can't belive they didn't take Reggie Bush. they will still suck".

I hope I'm wrong. I hope Reggie Bush doesn't live up to the hype, and Mario Williams is the next Reggie White.

 

[Runner]

Funny how everyone says this is an "old" topic, and people a few of you have said this is the worst post of the year, but still gets 9 pages of responses.

Don't forget those of us who extend the page count with off-topic comments - usually failed attempts at humor.

 

[KKHouston]

BUT, at this point in time, the Texans NEED an explosive playmaking RB/WR more than they NEED another DE. Switching to 4-3 defense we would have been just fine with Weaver, Peek, and Babin covering the DEs with Smith, Payne, and TJ inside.

And it's more than just on the field. Imagine the buzz and interest the Texans would have right now with Reggie on our team. Right now people mention the Texans the general sentiment is "yeah, they got a new coach, but I can't belive they didn't take Reggie Bush. they will still suck".

Respectfully, I believe you're wrong. While an explosive playmaking RB would a boon to this team, spending the money on Reggie wasn't the answer, and those in control of the team agree. Our defense lost as many games for us last year, if not more, than the Offense did.

Who CARES about the buzz and interest off the field? I, along with 50000 other ticket holders reupped our tickets (it appears). Why? Because it's football, and changes were made. Maybe not the change you wanted, but the change was made, regardless. Like us or hate us, you KNOW us.

Just curious... how many season tickets were renewed? Anywhere we can get this information?

 

[thunderkyss]

Funny how everyone says this is an "old" topic, and people a few of you have said this is the worst post of the year, but still gets 9 pages of responses.

Let me rephrase the point I was trying to make.

I am NOT bashing Mario Williams, in fact I like him and think he might become a great player (look at my avatar).

BUT, at this point in time, the Texans NEED an explosive playmaking RB/WR more than they NEED another DE. Switching to 4-3 defense we would have been just fine with Weaver, Peek, and Babin covering the DEs with Smith, Payne, and TJ inside.

I disagree.... I think Morency has shown plenty of promise.... so if DD can't go, he'll do fine..... Antowain Smith has also provided good/great production, for someone who has been in so many different offenses, as often as he has. So personally, I'm not worried about the RB position at all.

Then with Moulds, AJ, and Putz......... all proven in my book, all known to stretch the field, and David with his big arm....... and with a pass catching fullback, and HBs..... to keep the LBs & safeties occupied...... we're going to be pretty explosive as is.

Who do we have as our RBs now? And QUIT comparing this team to Denver!!! PLEASE!!! People keep doing this and it annoys the hell out of me.

We ran the run blocking scheme for two years....... DD(who will be ready to go by Sept 10) understands it really well.... he will have a breakout year, thanks to the similarities between our offensive system and theirs...

Denver has had an ESTABLISHED STUD quality line for the past 10 years. That is why they can plug almost anyone back there with success. The Texans Oline has been THE WORST in the NFL the past 4 years. And while Kubiak's system will help, they WILL NOT be Denver's oline!

they don't have to be... we've got a RB who will break off a thousand yards with the worst offensive line in history.... coach them up a little bit, and he'll get you 1400/1600 yards...... bank on it.

again....... if Gary Kubiak keeping Carr means that he can get the job done, then it says the same for Wand, Pitts, mcKinney, and Wiegart...... they weren't so bad because of lack of talent.... but lack of preperation.

And it's more than just on the field. Imagine the buzz and interest the Texans would have right now with Reggie on our team. Right now people mention the Texans the general sentiment is "yeah, they got a new coach, but I can't belive they didn't take Reggie Bush. they will still suck".

far as I know, everyone still expects the Saints to be at the bottom of the NFC South..... even many Saints fans.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope Reggie Bush doesn't live up to the hype, and Mario Williams is the next Reggie White.

I hope Reggie Lives up to his hype, and I hope DD sets career numbers for the next 3 years running....