Not to rekindle a dying fire, BUT....

[Hookem Horns]

How would drafting a passing down back / average punt returner help our situation with DD? We would still need a running back that could play on running downs and more importantly run between the tackles. Your argument would have more merit if you were talking about taking a RB in the 2nd round, and even there we are better off with Ryans. Defense wins folks.

 

[bigTEXan8]

How would drafting a passing down back / average punt returner help our situation with DD? We would still need a running back that could play on running downs and more importantly run between the tackles. Your argument would have more merit if you were talking about taking a RB in the 2nd round, and even there we are better off with Ryans. Defense wins folks.

Concur...Ryans with the second pick was a solid one.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Wouldn't you want Young to have a ROTY type season, afterall it is your team!!!

This I think shows that many other teams fans have too much time on their hands and come and bash the Texans when subconsciously he is bashing his own team by eliminating the QB they have dreamed of for so long and do not want him to have a ROTY season.

OK we are obviously on two different pages here... let me explain my post further


You have three situations:

1. Mario Williams turns into a GREAT player and Reggie Bush is average/not good ... resulting in all of the people who said "Mario Williams was the better choice" being right, therefore saying "told you so!" to the "Reggie Bush People"

2. Reggie Bush turns out to be everything he was hyped up to be and Mario Williams turns out to be mediocre/courtney brown .... all of the Reggie Bush People will be like "told you SO!!!"

3. Both of the turn out to be perennial pro bowlers and no one says anything. (or vice versa)



Now, how that is bashing the Texans I don't know. My original post might have been a little unclear, but I wasn't bashing the Texans. I'm just saying that there is going to be a lot of "Told you so!" from either the "Mario Williams People" or the "Reggie Bush People"

 

[TexanFanInCC]

No. I dont think ANY team is better off with that 50 million dollar mistake. WE can't use him, didn't want him, and we are better off not having him. Let it GO

amen. besides why do we need him? zone blocking will allow just about any running back with above average vision to have success. besides, u cant beat the colts in a shootout. u need to pressure manning like the chargers did in order to beat him. defense wins games...and lombardi's

 

[HJam72]

Here is my prediction:

There will be a lot of, "Told you so!" from all three sides for a very long time. Get used to it, people.

Oh, and, "I told you so!"

 

[KKHouston]

We Needed Vince more than we need Reggie..... even considering our running back status as of now.

Especially considering the offensive genius we have leading the way.

C'mon, TK. We needed Vince more? Get off his jock, it's not becoming of you. These threads always degradate into a Vince/Reggie Carr sucks free-for-all.

Say it with me, now:

1.) Vince is a Titan.
2.) Reggie is a Saint.
3.) We didn't need either of them.

 

[TexanBacker93]

Just curious.......How many of the running backs listed were a second day draft pick?

I believe just Davis and Rudi Johnson.

Of those that are just starting out, I think Willie Parker was undrafted.

 

[Doug]

DD was drafted as depth and help on special teams from the fifth round (Correct me if I'm wrong on his draft status). He turned out to be a very nice surprise not only for the team but the fans. The majority of the other rb's on your list were drafted (I would think) with the intentions to start right away and with a first day pick. To alot of people on this board DD is not a great running back, he is average. To me he is a great running back because he was able to put up average numbers on a below average team, (well below average line), and always put the team before himself. In the past 3 years he has been a high point for this team when positives are far and in between.

 

[Bearfan Blue and Orange]

How would drafting a passing down back / average punt returner help our situation with DD? We would still need a running back that could play on running downs and more importantly run between the tackles. Your argument would have more merit if you were talking about taking a RB in the 2nd round, and even there we are better off with Ryans. Defense wins folks.

FINALLY an Educated football fan, not just a homer!!!

 

[swtbound07]

C'mon, TK. We needed Vince more? Get off his jock, it's not becoming of you. These threads always degradate into a Vince/Reggie Carr sucks free-for-all.

Say it with me, now:

1.) Vince is a Titan.
2.) Reggie is a Saint.
3.) We didn't need either of them.

THAT is not true.

 

[Vinny]

I've been out for the last two days (for the most part)...and I'm kinda scared to go back and read this thread from the start. Wish me luck!

 

[KKHouston]

THAT is not true.

And why is that, SWT?

Did we need Vince Young? Do you believe we were going to draft Vince, start him, and start over?

Or was it Bush? Did we need him? A back, who while talented, and definitely exciting to watch, will probably not be the all-purpose go-to guy in the NFL?

Which one? Why did we need one of the two? Justify your opinion, so we can understand.

We have a QB. We have several RB's. Most importantly, we have a system in place now, with a Coach who knows how to win.

 

[Runner]

I've been out for the last two days (for the most part)...and I'm kinda scared to go back and read this thread from the start. Wish me luck!

Good news! This isn't the worst one.

 

[Brandon420tx]

I read the first 9 words of this thread and then stopped

 

[Bearfan Blue and Orange]

THAT is not true.

You are right, the last one should say WE NEEDED MARIO MORE!!!

 

[bulldawgtexan]

Reggie gets hit hard just once, and that kid is gonna be on the IR for the rest of the year.

 

[KKHouston]

You are right, the last one should say WE NEEDED MARIO MORE!!!

Exactly. Thanks!

 

[thunderkyss]

That is like saying we needed Young more than Mario... NOT!!!

Having a new scheme you need to give your QB a chance to prove what he has or does not have. Neither Bush nor Young would get you to the playoffs.

DEFENSE WINS SUPERBOWLS!!! no matter how you look at it. The Bears went to the playoffs 2 times recently with a CRAP offense, but a top tier defense. All you need with a top defense is an offense that can score 14-17 points a game.

#1, it is not like saying the same thing... we had a definite need at DE...... no need at all, at RB..... we had a starter, a veteran backup, and young promising prospect.

At defensive end, we had a two guys who played LB last year, and another that played tackle.

& if I recall correctly, the St.Louis Rams made it to the SuperBowl twice, with a shoddy defense at best........ all you need with a potent offense, is a team that can hold the offense under 24 points....

there's a little tongue and cheek there..... you can get to & win a SuperBowl in many different ways.... there is no set answer

besides...... most of the "knowledgable" people on this board(I'm not one of them) think playoffs in '06 is unrealistic......

 

[South Texan]

Lets's start with this premise: Young, Bush, and Mario all live up the the hype and become Hall of Famers.

The new system doesn't need great running backs, it makes running backs great. Bush was not what we needed the most.

With the the leadership skills of the past staff (yeah, I know, what leadership skills?) we don't really know what we have with Carr. But from the vids on training camp I have seen so far, he is putting the short passes on the money (I think that will be our bread and butter this year) and has tossed some good long balls too. With the pickup of Spencer (Mr. Attitude), T-Rex (Winston), Moulds, Flanagan, and some good TE's Kubiak will make Carr a good QB this year. Young was not what we needed most.

Face it. Last year, for whatever reason, our defense didn't get-r-done. I really think trying to convert Peek and Babin to LB's instead of what they have shown they can do was a huge mistake. Our DE's have real potential to wreak havoc this year. Having to account for them will open up things for the middle of the line (even TJ may shine this year) and take pressure off the DB's. The biggest factor in the D this year? Mario... he is what we needed most.

I can't stop this rant without mentioning DeMeco... he looks like he is going to be really special. From all I am seeing and hearing, he can play any of the LB spots and make an impact. So I have to add, we really needed him too.

If you are getting the impression I am the most excited I have been about the Texans since their first season, well, you are right.

 

[thunderkyss]

Oh, I agree, but this particular team has treated DD like the only receiver on the field at times, which is really bad. Some of that was receivers not getting open, some was Carr's fault, and quite a bit was probably lack of protection. I don't want to over-credit DD for being on a team that over-utilized his receiving talent because of a lack of success in other areas that shouldn't have existed, but it is certainly true that we would've been in even worse shape without him. 6 yds. is great, but not when it's 3rd and 15.

I understand your point, but bottom line......... when asked to produce....... he produced.

 

[thunderkyss]

If an offense is geared to include the running back as a main receiver I think it's fine that the running back gets a lot of receptions. Look at Tomlinson with over 100 catches a few years ago or Faulk with over 1000 yards receiving. These are products of the systems set to utilize their players talents. Davis is a good receiver out of the backfield. Over the past 3 years he has averaged 400 yards receiving, but his receiving touches came more off of dumps and safety valves. It still counts the same in the stat column, but I'd rather them get him the ball on designed plays in the flow of the offense rather than dinks and dunks.

As for how many running backs have averaged 1000 yards the last 3 seasons:
Jamal Lewis, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, Edgerrin James, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Warrick Dunn, Domanick Davis, Fred Taylor, Ricky Williams (with or without counting the hiatus year), and Curtis Martin. So, that's only 12 backs that have averaged 1000 over the last 3. A few others of note, though.

Corey Dillon averaged 970 over the last 3, but is well over 1000/ season as a pro.
Thomas Jones averaged 970 over the last 3
Larry Johnson averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play much in that 1st year.
Willis McGahee averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play in the 1st year.
Reuben Droughns averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play much before that.
There are newcomers that haven't played 3 years yet: Cadillac Williams, Steven Jackson, Willie Parker, Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, and Ronnie Brown.

If it weren't for the sharing of duties that a lot of teams are going towards you'd see 20 backs with over 1000 yards. That's why I said it wasn't "special" anymore to get 1000 yards.

Good points....... of the names you've mentioned, who do you think will never be great, and who was on a team as Bad as DD has been on in the last 3 years??

All I'm saying, is the list you created, is a pretty good list to be on.

 

[TexansLucky13]

I understand your point, but bottom line......... when asked to produce....... he produced.

Strangely, I agree with you about the RB situation. Reggie was never a need. He was someone who we wanted.... in the end he is an extraordinary back, but it wasn't the way that Kubiak wanted to spend our first pick.

thunderkyss, the only thing I disagree with you about is your argument that you don't necessarily need a good defense to win the SB. Sure, there have been freak instances where a low rated defense manages to make it to the SB due to a high rated offense. But that is a rarity. If you look at most SBs (especially between 75-85) you will see that the huge majority of SB teams were there because they had an exceptional defense.

Of course, since this has boiled down to yet another RB v VY v Mario thread, I understand Vinnys reluctance to read any of it.

This is how it ended up.

Reggie Bush was a want, but definitely not a need. I will argue that, in depth, any day.

Vince Young was a huge want (taken the mere number of Longhorn fans on here), but once again.... NOT a need. Our QB situation is as stable as our RB situation. It's funny how I stumble across so many rankings where David Carr is in the top 25.

Mario was a need. Our DE situation was pitiful! Kubiak had grande cojones to make the move he did, and we are fortunate to have someone with a little foresight.

 

[thunderkyss]

C'mon, TK. We needed Vince more? Get off his jock, it's not becoming of you. These threads always degradate into a Vince/Reggie Carr sucks free-for-all.

Say it with me, now:

1.) Vince is a Titan.
2.) Reggie is a Saint.
3.) We didn't need either of them.

Get over yourself.... the whole post read..... we didn't need Vince...... and we didn't need Reggie......

 

[HJam72]

I'm not saying anything!!!!!!!!!!

See, now that's how you get positive reps!

 

[KKHouston]

Get over yourself.... the whole post read..... we didn't need Vince...... and we didn't need Reggie......

Go back and read your post, #28. Maybe you just thought the post said that?

 

[thunderkyss]

Go back and read your post, #28. Maybe you just thought the post said that?

touche......... i'm thinking about another post in another thread....... same argument.....

 

[swtbound07]

And why is that, SWT?

Did we need Vince Young? Do you believe we were going to draft Vince, start him, and start over?

Or was it Bush? Did we need him? A back, who while talented, and definitely exciting to watch, will probably not be the all-purpose go-to guy in the NFL?

Which one? Why did we need one of the two? Justify your opinion, so we can understand.

We have a QB. We have several RB's. Most importantly, we have a system in place now, with a Coach who knows how to win.

we ARE starting over...I don't know if you've noticed or not...we pretty much removed everyone who could remotely be accountable for last year except mr. Carr. Yes I think we did and DO need vince young....if we are supposed to buy the arguement that this is a clean slate for carr and he is starting over in a new system, what exactly is the difference? For all intents and purposes we are starting a banged up Carr with a rookie mentality. We didn't need reggie, but we did and do need a quarterback...I just hope rosenfels has what it takes to get it done.

 

[texan279]

we ARE starting over...I don't know if you've noticed or not...we pretty much removed everyone who could remotely be accountable for last year except mr. Carr. Yes I think we did and DO need vince young....if we are supposed to buy the arguement that this is a clean slate for carr and he is starting over in a new system, what exactly is the difference? For all intents and purposes we are starting a banged up Carr with a rookie mentality. We didn't need reggie, but we did and do need a quarterback...I just hope rosenfels has what it takes to get it done.

You say you want Sage to start then say you "HOPE he has what it takes to get it done"? Sounds to me like you just don't like Carr for whatever reason and would put anyone in the QB spot. If Sage was that good he would be starting somewhere in the NFL.

 

[trane]

Anyone think this team could REALLY use Reggie Bush right about now? I like Mario and think he'll be a fine player and all, but man how could our organization not know the severity of DD's injury?

I don't think you can justify not drafting Reggie by DD's injury. Who knows...Reggie may wind up injured too (I think he will be often injured in his career). IMO, the problem with DD's injury is that all of the other backs are still unknown and unproven at this point and it is hard to gauge how effective they will be. Antwain Smith is a solid back but you don't know exactly what he has left. Morency showed flashes that he is at least good enough to make the team. The rest...who knows. I would have liked to see them get another back that has proven that he can play in this league or at least in this offense.

 

[KKHouston]

we ARE starting over...I don't know if you've noticed or not...we pretty much removed everyone who could remotely be accountable for last year except mr. Carr. Yes I think we did and DO need vince young....if we are supposed to buy the arguement that this is a clean slate for carr and he is starting over in a new system, what exactly is the difference? For all intents and purposes we are starting a banged up Carr with a rookie mentality. We didn't need reggie, but we did and do need a quarterback...I just hope rosenfels has what it takes to get it done.

We're starting over with a QB who has shown signs of being able to play. We still have the core players, and while I'm not 100 percent convinced he isn't damaged, I do think he has what it takes. I've watched Kubiak settle down QB's for quite a while now, and I believe we will see a difference this year.

Drafting Vince Young would have been a mistake. Making a decision to draft him would have been throwing a bone to some fans. Thankfully, the team didn't bow down to the pressure. Do you really think the Texans would have started Vince on Game Day 1? Did you go to UT?

 

[KKHouston]

we ARE starting over...I don't know if you've noticed or not...we pretty much removed everyone who could remotely be accountable for last year except mr. Carr. Yes I think we did and DO need vince young....if we are supposed to buy the arguement that this is a clean slate for carr and he is starting over in a new system, what exactly is the difference? For all intents and purposes we are starting a banged up Carr with a rookie mentality. We didn't need reggie, but we did and do need a quarterback...I just hope rosenfels has what it takes to get it done.

And why not Leinart, over Young, if we needed a QB? Leinart appears to the most NFL ready. But we shall see... I just hope Vince is more than Vick, or McNair, or [insert name here].

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

And why not Leinart, over Young, if we needed a QB? Leinart appears to the most NFL ready. But we shall see... I just hope Vince is more than Vick, or McNair, or [insert name here].

Because Leinart is a loser. Leinart had the best O-line, the best RB, the best receiving core in the country to help him out. Vince Young won the National Title pretty much on his own. I'm a huge college football fan and i could only name two receivers on Texas' roster last year (thomas and sweed).

Vince is a winner and does it himself. He's a playmaker. And not to mention he is a great human being who isn't in it mainly for the money. Leinart is a hollywood pretty boy who is in it for the money (e.g. HE IS STILL HOLDING OUT)

Leinart is a tool. Bottom line.

Answer your question?

 

[texan279]

Because Leinart is a loser. Leinart had the best O-line, the best RB, the best receiving core in the country to help him out. Vince Young won the National Title pretty much on his own. I'm a huge college football fan and i could only name two receivers on Texas' roster last year (thomas and sweed).

Vince is a winner and does it himself. He's a playmaker. And not to mention he is a great human being who isn't in it mainly for the money. Leinart is a hollywood pretty boy who is in it for the money (e.g. HE IS STILL HOLDING OUT)

Leinart is a tool. Bottom line.

Answer your question?

No one guy on any football team does it himself, football is a team sport, it takes a team to win.

 

[blockhead83]

Yea Vince Young did it all on his lonesome, that defense didn't help at all. Disregard UT's sucky running back's too.

 

[Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry]

Because Leinart is a loser. Leinart had the best O-line, the best RB, the best receiving core in the country to help him out. Vince Young won the National Title pretty much on his own. I'm a huge college football fan and i could only name two receivers on Texas' roster last year (thomas and sweed).

Vince is a winner and does it himself. He's a playmaker. And not to mention he is a great human being who isn't in it mainly for the money. Leinart is a hollywood pretty boy who is in it for the money (e.g. HE IS STILL HOLDING OUT)

Leinart is a tool. Bottom line.

Answer your question?

Leinart the hollywood pretty boy.If I'm not mistaken it was VY the did a show for BET TV. And by the way Leinart will more than likely have longer life in the NFL than your chosen player making it happen all by his self.

 

[KKHouston]

Because Leinart is a loser. Leinart had the best O-line, the best RB, the best receiving core in the country to help him out. Vince Young won the National Title pretty much on his own. I'm a huge college football fan and i could only name two receivers on Texas' roster last year (thomas and sweed).

Vince is a winner and does it himself. He's a playmaker. And not to mention he is a great human being who isn't in it mainly for the money. Leinart is a hollywood pretty boy who is in it for the money (e.g. HE IS STILL HOLDING OUT)

Leinart is a tool. Bottom line.

Answer your question?

You know... The Titans and the dumbed-down offense they put in for McNair just might be a good fit after-all.

He's not the second coming; he's a Rookie QB with talent... nothing more, nothing less until he proves his worth in the NFL.

Vince Young won the National Title pretty much on his own.

I'm sure Mack Brown agrees with you, along with the rest of the Longhorns.

Say... How is Bud Adams?

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Of course he didn't literally win the NC by himeself. You need someone to block for you and catch the balls you throw, but if anyone in the history of college sports ever won a championship and was far and away the deciding factor, it's Vince Young. Michael Jordan didn't win all those championships by himself, but damn was he wasn't the deciding factor. Same thing here.

Anyone who watched the Rose Bowl last year knows that. The scoring TD he made sums up UTs football season: Vince Young winning the game.

Argue with this, I dare you:

Vince Young is the first and only player in NCAA I-A history to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season. No other player has even reached the 2,500/1,000 mark in a season.

He passed for 44 touchdowns (No. 4 in UT history) while rushing for 3,127 yards (No. 1 on UT's all-time quarterback rushing list/No. 5 on UT's all-time list) and 37 touchdowns (No. 4 on UT's all-time rushing touchdowns list/T-No. 1 among quarterbacks).

In the 2006 NCAA national championship game, he completed 30 of 40 passes for 267 yards and carried the ball 19 times for 200 yards and 3 rushing touchdowns. Those 200 rushing yards set a Bowl game rushing record by a QB. He was named Rose Bowl MVP for the second time in his career. UT beat USC by the score of 41 to 38 and Vince Young ran in the winning touchdown. In this game, UT ended USC's 34-game win streak. Young's 467 total yards set a new Rose Bowl record

2nd place in the Heisman voting, 2005 Maxwell Award (best college football player)

His .938 winning percentage as a starting quarterback ranks sixth best in NCAA Division I football history.

 

[thunderkyss]

We're starting over with a QB who has shown signs of being able to play. We still have the core players, and while I'm not 100 percent convinced he isn't damaged, I do think he has what it takes. I've watched Kubiak settle down QB's for quite a while now, and I believe we will see a difference this year.

Drafting Vince Young would have been a mistake. Making a decision to draft him would have been throwing a bone to some fans. Thankfully, the team didn't bow down to the pressure. Do you really think the Texans would have started Vince on Game Day 1? Did you go to UT?

watching the Titans, Vince will probably start early in '06, if not Week1.

And why not Leinart, over Young, if we needed a QB? Leinart appears to the most NFL ready. But we shall see... I just hope Vince is more than Vick, or McNair, or [insert name here].

Has Lienart made it to camp yet??

No one guy on any football team does it himself, football is a team sport, it takes a team to win.

well Vince carried the Lion's share...

 

[Bearfan Blue and Orange]

You say you want Sage to start then say you "HOPE he has what it takes to get it done"? Sounds to me like you just don't like Carr for whatever reason and would put anyone in the QB spot. If Sage was that good he would be starting somewhere in the NFL.

BINGO

 

[KKHouston]

Of course he didn't literally win the NC by himeself. You need someone to block for you and catch the balls you throw, but if anyone in the history of college sports ever won a championship and was far and away the deciding factor, it's Vince Young. Michael Jordan didn't win all those championships by himself, but damn was he wasn't the deciding factor. Same thing here.

Anyone who watched the Rose Bowl last year knows that. The scoring TD he made sums up UTs football season: Vince Young winning the game.

Argue with this, I dare you:

Vince Young is the first and only player in NCAA I-A history to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season. No other player has even reached the 2,500/1,000 mark in a season.

He passed for 44 touchdowns (No. 4 in UT history) while rushing for 3,127 yards (No. 1 on UT's all-time quarterback rushing list/No. 5 on UT's all-time list) and 37 touchdowns (No. 4 on UT's all-time rushing touchdowns list/T-No. 1 among quarterbacks).

In the 2006 NCAA national championship game, he completed 30 of 40 passes for 267 yards and carried the ball 19 times for 200 yards and 3 rushing touchdowns. Those 200 rushing yards set a Bowl game rushing record by a QB. He was named Rose Bowl MVP for the second time in his career. UT beat USC by the score of 41 to 38 and Vince Young ran in the winning touchdown. In this game, UT ended USC's 34-game win streak. Young's 467 total yards set a new Rose Bowl record

2nd place in the Heisman voting, 2005 Maxwell Award (best college football plater)

Nice, eloquent post. I read the same article you did.

Now translate this to the NFL and the speed of play. Gonna be a whole different ball game.

The closest comparison to Young, is Michael Vick.

Michael Vick:
Attempts: 361
Completions: 202
Comp. %: 55.95%
Yards: 3,504
Interceptions: 12
Touchdowns: 22

Vincent Young:
Attempts: 393
Completions: 232
Comp. %: 59.03%
Yards: 3,004
Interceptions: 18
Touchdowns: 18

Translation:
Vick - 32 fewer pass attempts, 500 more yards, 4 more TDs, 6 fewer INTs

His game sure has carried over to the NFL, hasn't it? Wait... when he's not hurt by acting the stud, right?

 

[Vinny]

The closest comparison to Young, is Michael Vick.

Why? Because they are both 6'5"?

 

[KKHouston]

watching the Titans, Vince will probably start early in '06, if not Week1.

I truly hope so. I'm anxious to see him against NFL speed defenses. I do hope he succeeds.

Has Lienart made it to camp yet??

Never said I was a Leinart fan. Just curious why you prefered Young, over Leinart. If it's NFL Caliber you want, and want now, obviously, Leinart was probably the choice to make things happen now. Regardless, Leinart isn't any more of a tool than Mr. "I don't know anything about a house" Bush.

well Vince carried the Lion's share...

Yeah, one game, he was impressive as can be.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

Why? Because they are both 6'5"?

Exactly (positive rep for Vinny!)

VY : Quarterback who can run the ball
Vick : running back who can throw the ball

Vince Young : Hybrid between McNair/Cunningham/McNabb/Culpepper
Michael Vick : 6'0 scrawny guy who runs a 4.3

 

[KKHouston]

Why? Because they are both 6'5"?

Geez, Vinny... and the other reason, too. They both are similar in styles of play. Who do you compare him, to? Peyton Manning?

 

[Vinny]

Never said I was a Leinart fan. Just curious why you prefered Young, over Leinart. If it's NFL Caliber you want, and want now, obviously, Leinart was probably the choice to make things happen now.

Obviously the NFL teams didn't think this or he wouldn't have slipped where he did in the draft. Someone would have moved up and taken him if his game demanded he was a top 5 talent....ie, there are not enough good QB's to go around. Leinart was overhyped by ESPN and the media just like USC was. The greatest team ever? Yeah right.

 

[Vinny]

Geez, Vinny... and the other reason, too. They both are similar in styles of play. Who do you compare him, to? Peyton Manning?

I've seen both Vick and Young play but both have radically different body types. Vick is like making Reggie Bush into a QB. Young has much better vision and doesn't have to scramble just to see downfield. I don't think they are all that comparable outside of skin color and the fact that they are both good runners. I've never seen anyone quite like VY.

 

[KKHouston]

Exactly (positive rep for Vinny!)

VY : Quarterback who can run the ball
Vick : running back who can throw the ball

Vince Young : Hybrid between McNair/Cunningham/McNabb/Culpepper
Michael Vick : 6'0 scrawny guy who runs a 4.3

What do McNair/Cunningham/McNabb/Culpepper have in common?

Injuries. And not a Superbowl win between them.

 

[KKHouston]

Obviously the NFL teams didn't think this or he wouldn't have slipped where he did in the draft. Someone would have moved up and taken him if his game demanded he was a top 5 talent....ie, there are not enough good QB's to go around. Leinart was overhyped by ESPN and the media just like USC was. The greatest team ever? Yeah right.

I agree completely. Jay Cutler was the QB of the draft.

 

[Vinny]

What do McNair/Cunningham/McNabb/Culpepper have in common?

Injuries. And not a Superbowl win between them.

I know of some injured white guys who haven't won a super bowl either.

 

[Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry]

Why? Because they are both 6'5"?

No because thay are both running back style QB's. Tack fan I respect your position on VY but most of us on this board think VY is a injury waiting to happen. He is big and has huge talent but this is the NFL and he will not see the hit coming, the game has change so much, speed is everything and the def. he faced in college is not even close to what he will see on sundays. He needs to talk to Randell Cuttingham before throughing around his body and RUNNING in the NFL.