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David's Busted Carr

David's Busted Carr

Waterboy
Anyone think this team could REALLY use Reggie Bush right about now? I like Mario and think he'll be a fine player and all, but man how could our organization not know the severity of DD's injury?

How can they possibly expect DD to play a significant role this year when he can't even get through a SINGLE practice without pain????

And now we're stuck with Antowain Smith, Vernand Morency, and Wali Lundy? Are you kidding me? :crutch:

So lets get David Carr a new WR, a decent TE, few new lineman, but take away his main weapon... his RB.

Oh well, at least we should be drafting in the top 3 again and be able to draft Adrian Peterson in next years draft. That is unless another DT has a stellar workout....
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Anyone think this team could REALLY use Reggie Bush right about now? I like Mario and think he'll be a fine player and all, but man how could our organization not know the severity of DD's injury?

How can they possibly expect DD to play a significant role this year when he can't even get through a SINGLE practice without pain????

And now we're stuck with Antowain Smith, Vernand Morency, and Wali Lundy? Are you kidding me? :crutch:

So lets get David Carr a new WR, a decent TE, few new lineman, but take away his main weapon... his RB.

Oh well, at least we should be drafting in the top 3 again and be able to draft Adrian Peterson in next years draft. That is unless another DT has a stellar workout....
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No. I dont think ANY team is better off with that 50 million dollar mistake. WE can't use him, didn't want him, and we are better off not having him. Let it GO
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Oh well, at least we should be drafting in the top 3 again and be able to draft Adrian Peterson in next years draft. That is unless another DT has a stellar workout....
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A chilling vision of things to come. But there is always that whole idea of that is why they play the game. At this moment in time they have zero measureables in their NFL careers, it truly is a tabula rasa.

All we have here is one more sour thread on what was, rather than on what will be.
 
DD is my guy and i hope he can play alot this yr, but if he cant i trust we will be fine as far as our run game is concerned i believe in our as TEXANS CHICK said 'INSERT GENERIC RUNNING BACK HERE' offense. Any one of those guys can emerge and step up its gonna be a great yr for texans football. Sit back and enjoy the ride!!:redtowel:
 
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You are right in that reggie could of potential helped this team, but Mario will also potential help our team. Either one of them would of helped our team out.
 
I wanted Reggie Bush over Mario. If I got to choose, I would still pick Reggie. I don't think that our running situation is as dire as you make it out to be though. Yeah, it seems that way, but in the system Kubiak is installing you don't need a great talent at running back to succeed. I think Morency, Smith, and whoever the 3rd back may be will get the job back. Don't forget, our defense was terrible last year too. The Texans will still be successful in running the ball I think. Besides, it's only the 2nd week of training camp. If Domanick Davis doesn't play in any preseason games, I'll be concerned, but I'm confident that even if he is out our running game will still be good.
 
Oh, we've had this discussion plenty...before the draft. It's still comes down to the same answer: NO, Kubiak's altered system will allow for many running backs to be successful, regardless of Heisman trophies. Besides, Reggie Bush is better suited at WR with his legs.
 
I'll probably receive hate mail for this, but....

I've enjoyed watching DD over the past 3 years and I hope he gets back on the field. He wasn't Edgerrin James or Marshall Faulk coming out of college. He's had 3 decent years behind a less than stellar line. They weren't horrible at run blocking, but they weren't the Broncos line either. How many NFL backs run for 1000 yards in a season? In those 3 seasons 18, 18, and 16 backs ran for 1000 yards. It's no longer special to run for 1000 yards. Denver has proven time and time again that you can have a top flight running attack and a top flight offense without spending high draft picks on a running back. It's true that Denver rarely has anything higher than the mid 20s unless they make a trade, but even when doing that they don't grab a running back.

Domanick Davis isn't a great running back and I think with the improved line Lundy/Smith/Taylor or Rhodes will be able to step in and be successful.
 
Aaaah let it go. Who knows, Morency or Smith could end up stepping up big. Afterall, how many of us thought that DD would have performed like he has since he has been here?
 
At 2-14, just about anybody could have helped this team. The trick is who helps this team the most and the powers that be decided that it was Mario Williams. If you disagree, that's fine but we have all heard this debate before. Only Father Time knows who is right and who is wrong and he's not letting any of us know for about five or ten more years. Let's drop it.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
A chilling vision of things to come. But there is always that whole idea of that is why they play the game. At this moment in time they have zero measureables in their NFL careers, it truly is a tabula rasa.

All we have here is one more sour thread on what was, rather than on what will be.
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KT, could you please explain what tabula rasa means. Latin? You know, inquiring minds want to know.
 
I'm gonna guess it means immeasurable or uncountable, as in rasa means none--tabulate nothing (or something like that). I could do a search or something, but I'm too lazy. :)
 
HJam72 said:
I'm gonna guess it means immeasurable or uncountable, as in rasa means none--tabulate nothing (or something like that). I could do a search or something, but I'm too lazy. :)
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Thanks HJam72, In my spare time I metal detect in the mountains in Mexico, I find all kinds of relic's, Spanish colonial, French, American, British, buttons, coins, insignias, etc., most of the coins have a Latin legend so is always fun to do the research.
 
I'll take the 60 play a game DE with off the board measurables any day to a 15-20 carry RB that wasn't even the best pro RB on his team.
 
2 main reasons that I've decided that Mario was the right choice:

1) Typical running back: 4 good yrs. Typical DE: 12 good yrs.

2) Zone Blocking Scheme

Originally, I wanted a trade down. When I saw that it wasn't going to happen, I settled for Bush. Actually, I wanted Young for like one day and they suddenly gave Carr the big extension. I'm glad I didn't get my wish. Right now, I'm glad I didn't even get my first wish. Let's hope it stays that way.
 
Tabula rasa (Latin: scraped tablet or clean slate) refers to the epistemological thesis that individual human beings are born with no innate or built-in mental content, in a word, "blank", and that their entire resource of knowledge is built up gradually from their experiences and sensory perceptions of the outside world.
 
yall know that i never wanted reggie, and even with DD looking worse by the day, i still wouldnt want reggie as the first pick. i wanted d'brick, and i think he'd still be a solid choice if we didnt pick mario, but i'm content because we addressed one of our two biggest needs first. not only did we get a pass rush, but we also used 2 first day picks on the other hole - pass blocking. our first day could not have been more perfect IMO, even in hindsight. we have something that makes bush's value on this team plummet ... that something being gary kubiak & mike sherman. if you dont think that even antwain smith as our starter can bring a strong rushing game, just look at mike anderson. plus, we've got strong depth with lundy, morency, and taylor. hopefully DD will stay healthy finally though and we'll have our first 1500+ yard rusher.
 
"It's no longer special to run for 1000 yards."

In the last 3 years, how many backs have gained over 3000yds rushing? Too, don't forget DD's receiving yds.
 
We do need to remember though that most of DD's reception yards have come on pass plays where the passes SHOULD have gone to a receiver for more yardage, if they had been open and Carr'd had more time (and the inclination) to find them. This doesn't place blame on DD, but it does take away some small amount of the accolades. Too many passes to DD is a bad thing, regardless of his skill in that particular area.
 
I have watched hundreds of games in my life, one thing I allways see is open recievers that never got the ball, it just happens, usually for different reasons, not enough time, QB confidence, collapsing pocket screening part of the QB's vision, etc, etc. If the choice is between taking the sack, throwing into coverage, or taking the 6 yard dump off to the back. Ill take the 6 yards every time. and having a back (tail back or fullback/H-back) that can consistenly catch that last resort pass is a very valuable weapon. Priest holmes is a good back, the fact that he can catch the ball 5 times a game or more for positive yards is what makes him a great back.
 
bah, reggie is nothing special. no joke. wow he busted a couple big ones in the national spotlight. im pretty sure he had an above average supporting cast at usc. if he played at aTm he's a mid to late first rounder.

/live 3 miles from usc
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Anyone think this team could REALLY use Reggie Bush right about now? I like Mario and think he'll be a fine player and all, but man how could our organization not know the severity of DD's injury?
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We Needed Vince more than we need Reggie..... even considering our running back status as of now.

Especially considering the offensive genius we have leading the way.
 
HJam72 said:
We do need to remember though that most of DD's reception yards have come on pass plays where the passes SHOULD have gone to a receiver for more yardage, if they had been open and Carr'd had more time (and the inclination) to find them. This doesn't place blame on DD, but it does take away some small amount of the accolades. Too many passes to DD is a bad thing, regardless of his skill in that particular area.
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which is even more reason to not draft Reggie Bush....

with two #1 recievers, there will either not be enough balls for Reggie, or we would lose the advantage of having an AJ & Moulds on the same team.
 
Denver just named an undrafted free agent Mike Bell #1 on their depth chart. Keep in mind while Denver does have more depth and talent at some of positions Kubiak is a disciple of Shanahans zone blocking scheme Those guys just don’t believe they need a high profile back! Are they right? So far Shanahan has been, only time will tell with Kubiak!
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I'll probably receive hate mail for this, but....

I've enjoyed watching DD over the past 3 years and I hope he gets back on the field. He wasn't Edgerrin James or Marshall Faulk coming out of college. He's had 3 decent years behind a less than stellar line. They weren't horrible at run blocking, but they weren't the Broncos line either. How many NFL backs run for 1000 yards in a season? In those 3 seasons 18, 18, and 16 backs ran for 1000 yards. It's no longer special to run for 1000 yards. Denver has proven time and time again that you can have a top flight running attack and a top flight offense without spending high draft picks on a running back. It's true that Denver rarely has anything higher than the mid 20s unless they make a trade, but even when doing that they don't grab a running back.

Domanick Davis isn't a great running back and I think with the improved line Lundy/Smith/Taylor or Rhodes will be able to step in and be successful.
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NO HATE MAIL HERE... you are dead on. Everyone is getting so excited about Bush. Get excited about YOUR team!!! Mario Williams will make much more an impact to the players around him immediately versus a struggling offense with a great "athlete" (notice I did not say RB).

This is just my opinion, Bush is going to be hurt this year for one reason. he is not DOMINANT in one position. A RB trains to be a RB, a WR trains to be a WR, a DE trains to be a DE (I mean their body and endurance).

The only reason I will be watching the first few saints this season is to see who in the NFL puts that first monster hit on him and welcomes him to the NFL.
 
David Carr is paid well, but not the most important player on this team in my opinion, nor is his unit the most important to our long term success. DC is a role player as his statistics over 4 years will bear that out. Moreover, we are old and inexperienced, at position/technique, on the OL, specifically from G to G.

If Carr can manage the offense ala a Troy Aikman I will be happy as the day is long. I just do not know if he has that in him whether it was his Fresno days or his NFL career. Big arm, tough, athletic for the position, community guy, etc are all great characteristics that DC has, but not always needed to manage the game.

If he can just put up his career numbers, in the NFL this year, in this style of offense and our defense has the incremental gains that we expect based off of our investment, with players playing in their natural position in an attacking style defense, everyone wins.

2004 was his career year and we won 7 games. Just get us there and let the other 52 do their jobs and we will be on our way.
 
thunderkyss said:
We Needed Vince more than we need Reggie..... even considering our running back status as of now.

Especially considering the offensive genius we have leading the way.
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That is like saying we needed Young more than Mario... NOT!!!

Having a new scheme you need to give your QB a chance to prove what he has or does not have. Neither Bush nor Young would get you to the playoffs.

DEFENSE WINS SUPERBOWLS!!! no matter how you look at it. The Bears went to the playoffs 2 times recently with a CRAP offense, but a top tier defense. All you need with a top defense is an offense that can score 14-17 points a game.
 
TK_Gamer said:
I have watched hundreds of games in my life, one thing I allways see is open recievers that never got the ball, it just happens, usually for different reasons, not enough time, QB confidence, collapsing pocket screening part of the QB's vision, etc, etc. If the choice is between taking the sack, throwing into coverage, or taking the 6 yard dump off to the back. Ill take the 6 yards every time. and having a back (tail back or fullback/H-back) that can consistenly catch that last resort pass is a very valuable weapon. Priest holmes is a good back, the fact that he can catch the ball 5 times a game or more for positive yards is what makes him a great back.
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Oh, I agree, but this particular team has treated DD like the only receiver on the field at times, which is really bad. Some of that was receivers not getting open, some was Carr's fault, and quite a bit was probably lack of protection. I don't want to over-credit DD for being on a team that over-utilized his receiving talent because of a lack of success in other areas that shouldn't have existed, but it is certainly true that we would've been in even worse shape without him. 6 yds. is great, but not when it's 3rd and 15.
 
Mysteryhunt said:
bah, reggie is nothing special. no joke. wow he busted a couple big ones in the national spotlight. im pretty sure he had an above average supporting cast at usc. if he played at aTm he's a mid to late first rounder.

/live 3 miles from usc
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/\ My vote for worst post of the summer.
 
If an offense is geared to include the running back as a main receiver I think it's fine that the running back gets a lot of receptions. Look at Tomlinson with over 100 catches a few years ago or Faulk with over 1000 yards receiving. These are products of the systems set to utilize their players talents. Davis is a good receiver out of the backfield. Over the past 3 years he has averaged 400 yards receiving, but his receiving touches came more off of dumps and safety valves. It still counts the same in the stat column, but I'd rather them get him the ball on designed plays in the flow of the offense rather than dinks and dunks.

As for how many running backs have averaged 1000 yards the last 3 seasons:
Jamal Lewis, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, Edgerrin James, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Warrick Dunn, Domanick Davis, Fred Taylor, Ricky Williams (with or without counting the hiatus year), and Curtis Martin. So, that's only 12 backs that have averaged 1000 over the last 3. A few others of note, though.

Corey Dillon averaged 970 over the last 3, but is well over 1000/ season as a pro.
Thomas Jones averaged 970 over the last 3
Larry Johnson averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play much in that 1st year.
Willis McGahee averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play in the 1st year.
Reuben Droughns averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play much before that.
There are newcomers that haven't played 3 years yet: Cadillac Williams, Steven Jackson, Willie Parker, Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, and Ronnie Brown.

If it weren't for the sharing of duties that a lot of teams are going towards you'd see 20 backs with over 1000 yards. That's why I said it wasn't "special" anymore to get 1000 yards.
 
southtexan said:
Tabula rasa (Latin: scraped tablet or clean slate) refers to the epistemological thesis that individual human beings are born with no innate or built-in mental content, in a word, "blank", and that their entire resource of knowledge is built up gradually from their experiences and sensory perceptions of the outside world.
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I am getting a headache because you have caused me to think back to High School Latin...Thanks alot southtexan! Hope all is well in the valley!!!
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
/\ My vote for worst post of the summer.
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If it's not the worst, it's definately in the top 10. I have been a Reggie backer all along. I felt that in Kubes offense, he would give opposing defenses nightmares. I don't think he will be as good in the Saints offense as here, but he will still be a difference maker. I really felt he would have completed the offense. As it stands, we now are weak at RB. I think people are underestimating the need to have a legit back. Sure, they have gotten good results with nobody's, but I think you guys do a disservice to those RB's when you act like Mother Theresa could gain 1000 yards in this offense. First off, we are not Denver! Get that thru your head, and let it sink in. There is a lot of over optisism around here, that I think is going to cause a lot of panic attacks over the next few weeks when people realize we are not Denver.
 
Why is it that some can't let sleeping dogs lie?

I think we need to take the posters who can't quit RB and...they have to wear the scarlet R for an avatar. Your pining for the guy is getting very embarassing!

Let Kubiak work his magic. I know, we are gunshy from the last regime but give the guy a chance to prove himself. Quit knocking his pick and lets see what he can do for us. :)
 
FILO_girl said:
Why is it that some can't let sleeping dogs lie?

I think we need to take the posters who can't quit RB and...they have to wear the scarlet R for an avatar. Your pining for the guy is getting very embarassing!

Let Kubiak work his magic. I know, we are gunshy from the last regime but give the guy a chance to prove himself. Quit knocking his pick and lets see what he can do for us. :)
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Well a lot of people are going to be wrong (Bush or Williams people) and it's going to be verrrry interesting at the end of this year.

e.g. Bush has a Rookie of the Year type season or Mario has a ROTY type season.
 
Not one person will be wrong this year. Bush is what he is and Mario is what he is. So three years from now we can see who was wrong. Mario could get 11 sacks this year and maybe make the pro-bowl if we shock some people. Similar to how Shawne Merrimen did last year. And Bush in limited carries could account for 1400 total yds. Does that make any of them a greater success. I will say one is a above another as an NFL player by who puts up the most Ws.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Well a lot of people are going to be wrong (Bush or Williams people) and it's going to be verrrry interesting at the end of this year.

e.g. Bush has a Rookie of the Year type season or Mario has a ROTY type season.
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I expect this :homer: post from a tack fan. Don't agree with you, but it is the expected response. :cool:

I don't expect either to have a break out season, too much emphasis is put on this. Both have alot to learn before being 'all that and a bag of chips'. Even sliced bread took a couple years to catch on.
 
Here is a thought.... ( A far reach)

What if...
4-5 years from now, Mario has a great year and he is extended for 7-8 more years.

Bush has good years, but not great and the Texans sign him to a 2-3 year deal

Young struggles, but is better than Carr has been and they sign him to a 3-year deal.

Would that make the critics heads spin or what!!!

Sorry, I am bored!!
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Well a lot of people are going to be wrong (Bush or Williams people) and it's going to be verrrry interesting at the end of this year.

e.g. Bush has a Rookie of the Year type season or Mario has a ROTY type season.
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Wouldn't you want Young to have a ROTY type season, afterall it is your team!!!

This I think shows that many other teams fans have too much time on their hands and come and bash the Texans when subconsciously he is bashing his own team by eliminating the QB they have dreamed of for so long and do not want him to have a ROTY season.
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again...Kubiak didn't want Bush because he is everything that contradicts our new running game. We have a one-cut and go system. Do you really think Reggie Bush would be content with just one cut?
 
TheCD said:
I've said it once and I'll say it again...Kubiak didn't want Bush because he is everything that contradicts our new running game. We have a one-cut and go system. Do you really think Reggie Bush would be content with just one cut?
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Yes, it's called coaching. Besides that, USC ran a lot of zone stuff anyway.
 
TheCD said:
I've said it once and I'll say it again...Kubiak didn't want Bush because he is everything that contradicts our new running game. We have a one-cut and go system. Do you really think Reggie Bush would be content with just one cut?
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I agree and here's why. Usually, after that one-cute, you get hit. I don't see Bush getting hit and bouncing off to easily. I personally think Bush is going to have a rude awakening when he plays his first NFL game. D in the pros are much quicker, and much smarter. I don't see him proving to be as big of a factor as people and analysts say. I think M. Williams is better fit for the pros. JMO :thankyou:
 
TexanBacker93 said:
If an offense is geared to include the running back as a main receiver I think it's fine that the running back gets a lot of receptions. Look at Tomlinson with over 100 catches a few years ago or Faulk with over 1000 yards receiving. These are products of the systems set to utilize their players talents. Davis is a good receiver out of the backfield. Over the past 3 years he has averaged 400 yards receiving, but his receiving touches came more off of dumps and safety valves. It still counts the same in the stat column, but I'd rather them get him the ball on designed plays in the flow of the offense rather than dinks and dunks.

As for how many running backs have averaged 1000 yards the last 3 seasons:
Jamal Lewis, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, Edgerrin James, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Warrick Dunn, Domanick Davis, Fred Taylor, Ricky Williams (with or without counting the hiatus year), and Curtis Martin. So, that's only 12 backs that have averaged 1000 over the last 3. A few others of note, though.

Corey Dillon averaged 970 over the last 3, but is well over 1000/ season as a pro.
Thomas Jones averaged 970 over the last 3
Larry Johnson averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play much in that 1st year.
Willis McGahee averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play in the 1st year.
Reuben Droughns averaged over 1000 over the last 2, but didn't play much before that.
There are newcomers that haven't played 3 years yet: Cadillac Williams, Steven Jackson, Willie Parker, Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, and Ronnie Brown.

If it weren't for the sharing of duties that a lot of teams are going towards you'd see 20 backs with over 1000 yards. That's why I said it wasn't "special" anymore to get 1000 yards.
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Just curious.......How many of the running backs listed were a second day draft pick?
 
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