Blame what? Drafting what seems to be two cornerstone players?
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Nick Caserio - keeper or kerb?
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There are two things here. The rumor that "the family" wanted Stroud (or a QB). And the assertion that Janice and Hannah McNair force C.J. Stroud specifically against the will of Cal, Nick, and DeMeco. All at the suggestion of an unknown fan committee that officially had not been selected. I believe ownership wanted a QB. That was the rumor prior to the end of the 2022 season. It's impossible to infer from Wilson's remarks that he is even aware of the "Hannah Conspiracy."
TexansBull
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Man don’t insult my intelligence. You know wtf you was doing and alluding to. But hey you can have it
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Everyone is going to give their input on picks... OC wants offensive guys, DC wants defensive guys, HC wants players in position of need, Owners wants guys that puts butts in the seats. But at the end of the day, it's Caserio's call. I don't know why that's so difficult to comprehend?
If Stingley ends up being a bad pick, Caserio deserves some of the blame, regardless if it was Lovie that was begging for him.
If Stingley ends up being a bad pick, Caserio deserves some of the blame, regardless if it was Lovie that was begging for him.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Agreed 1000%
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Make it harder next time.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
source?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Listen to that interview with Wilson.
jradMIT
Veteran
When the Texans send nearly the same level of pick back as they received from Arizona along with the already given #12 and #33, the fault of this move will be obvious as Arizona will be drafting a cornerstone player too with the added bonus of two premium picks for taking advantage of the Texans ridiculous need to speed the clock up by one year.
A rebuilding team can’t fill every hole in one year, it’s short sighted to use future assets let alone their most valuable future asset at a discount to accomplish this. So if it’s such a great move why does Arizona do the trade? Don’t they like cornerstones? They are rebuilding too, they sure could use WAJ, but they probably jumped at the opportunity to net those picks and were shocked by their luck, the Texans seem to do the opposite of what rebuilding teams should be doing.
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If you think WAJr is a generational talent you do whatever you can to get him
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
This is the thing I think people completely miss.
If the scouting staff and coaching staff graded him as generational (which it's hinted that they did) you go get them.
You don't see it often because the team who has the opportunity to draft said player usually doesn't trade out of that opportunity. That said Anderson wasn't universally viewed as generational so it makes sense why Arizona was more interested in accruing draft capital. Time will tell for Anderson but early signs are good.
I'm just glad for the 1st time the GM/HC are working together.
You sound like a film critic that writes his review before he sees the movie. I like the previews. Can't wait to see the whole show. The Texans may not reach the level of rebuilding expertise of the Arizona Cardinals
. But let's see how it works out before trashing the trade.
I think you missed his point.You sound like a film critic that writes his review before he sees the movie. I like the previews. Can't wait to see the whole show. The Texans may not reach the level of rebuilding expertise of the Arizona Cardinals
What was the point of speeding up the clock when you were going to be bad anyway?
Porky
Hall of Fame
Tricky Nick is now on borrowed time. His 2022 draft is a disaster.
on top of Stingley and Green, he moved up for the oft injured Metchie. It’s bad enough to stay put and take him, but Nicky gave up an additional asset to go get him. Metchie was a high risk pick for a guy with no truly special attribute. Even this year, he couldn’t go early because of an injury unrelated to his illness.
Two first rounders and a 2nd rounder in one draft are going to end up being epic fails.
in 2023, he gave up a huge future asset to go get Will Anderson. Very ballsy move. But I’ve said all along Anderson isn’t a Watt level impact player. His floor is very high, so I think he will be a player..,but a Watt level guy? Seriously doubtful. And that’s the only way I make that move.
he will get one more draft to finish his mission of squandering the Watson bounty,and we’ll still be stuck in the mud wondering why we keep spinning our wheels but can’t get out of the ditch.
add the draft record to a whole host of other misfires like extending Cooks, and then getting a good offer for him and sitting on your hands while the guy turns on you.
I could go on. The point is out of 32 GM’s he is looking up to get into the 20’s. Terrible track record. Way way way worse record than Rick Smith. But you know…keep making excuses for him.
on top of Stingley and Green, he moved up for the oft injured Metchie. It’s bad enough to stay put and take him, but Nicky gave up an additional asset to go get him. Metchie was a high risk pick for a guy with no truly special attribute. Even this year, he couldn’t go early because of an injury unrelated to his illness.
Two first rounders and a 2nd rounder in one draft are going to end up being epic fails.
in 2023, he gave up a huge future asset to go get Will Anderson. Very ballsy move. But I’ve said all along Anderson isn’t a Watt level impact player. His floor is very high, so I think he will be a player..,but a Watt level guy? Seriously doubtful. And that’s the only way I make that move.
he will get one more draft to finish his mission of squandering the Watson bounty,and we’ll still be stuck in the mud wondering why we keep spinning our wheels but can’t get out of the ditch.
add the draft record to a whole host of other misfires like extending Cooks, and then getting a good offer for him and sitting on your hands while the guy turns on you.
I could go on. The point is out of 32 GM’s he is looking up to get into the 20’s. Terrible track record. Way way way worse record than Rick Smith. But you know…keep making excuses for him.
Watt was a very good college player, but he wasn't on the level of WA. Remember, Watt was booed when drafted. No one foresaw him becoming the monster he did. Anderson had sack numbers to rival Derrick Thomas and that's who he reminds me of.
You're just letting your hate of Caserio close your mind to what Anderson can be. Ryans loves him some Will Anderson Jr. and that's good enough for me.
You can't isolate the deal to move up to Anderson alone, because Stroud/Anderson was a package deal.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Was Watt a Watt level impact player when he was drafted? Considering he went 11th I'm guessing no. Hell, his brother went 30th.
So just because you've said it all along, that's far from making it so. JJ didn't get his 1st sack until his 3rd game and had 2 in his 1st 9 games. Anderson got 1 in game #1. You just don't know how it's going to turn out.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Caserio is on his 3rd year of a 6 year contract. He's going to be here through2026.
For the past three years the team has been in turmoil with three coaching changes and ownership taking a heavy hand. Now in 2023 the organization seems to finally have gotten everything together and we have a coaching staff in place everyone, including the fans, are positive about.
Stingley and Green were mistakes under the previous regime that as fans we're just going to have to accept. These two mistakes should have no permanent blame or impact on Caserio. Water under the bridge and now we go forward under DeMeco.
The 2023 draft was, hopefully, the last draft ownership got involved in. Caserio seems to have done a masterful job, despite some fan disagreement, in dealing a one two punch that gave everyone what was wanted. Again hopefully, going forward, the organization, and drafts, will be conducted more normally. Caserio and Ryan seem to work well together. Now Caserio's job will be to get the players to fit DeMeco's team. Again for the third time, hopefully all will have learned from past mistakes.
For the past three years the team has been in turmoil with three coaching changes and ownership taking a heavy hand. Now in 2023 the organization seems to finally have gotten everything together and we have a coaching staff in place everyone, including the fans, are positive about.
Stingley and Green were mistakes under the previous regime that as fans we're just going to have to accept. These two mistakes should have no permanent blame or impact on Caserio. Water under the bridge and now we go forward under DeMeco.
The 2023 draft was, hopefully, the last draft ownership got involved in. Caserio seems to have done a masterful job, despite some fan disagreement, in dealing a one two punch that gave everyone what was wanted. Again hopefully, going forward, the organization, and drafts, will be conducted more normally. Caserio and Ryan seem to work well together. Now Caserio's job will be to get the players to fit DeMeco's team. Again for the third time, hopefully all will have learned from past mistakes.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Your last sentence is key. You don’t. It’s a gamble on human beings and uncontrollable circumstances.
And to add on to your post -
There are risk reward scenarios and players that cost you draft picks that you need to see a return.
The things I think Caserio is/can/should/will be criticized for is the Stingley pick. Lisfranc injuries should drop a player in the draft when comparing to another player all else being equal. That is what you had with Sauce.
The Green pick is a head scratcher because you don’t select Guards that high or so Arm Chair GM posters have said.
Nico he traded up for and that guy has to stay healthy this season.
Metchie he traded up for. I know he had cancer and missed a season, but he needs to start playing and having an impact. Preferably before mid season.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I forgot about the coaching turmoil.
I also forgot we also hired Josh McCown who had no coaching experience. It was him and the guy in AZ now. We know the guy in AZ was Caserio’s guy. McCown was an Easterby guy. And Lovie sneaked in being Cal’s guy.
How crazy was that?
We lucked into Demeco.
Didn't you say the Texans should win 10 games this season?
That's what I wanted
jradMIT
Veteran
You had a pick to get WAJ. By all means I love the guy take him at 2, draft a qb later and keep those picks to build a core. If the thought was they were gonna win 7-8 games, that was optimistic to say the least. This team had a new everything HC, OC, DC, QB, and not just new to the team, new period. Combine that with inevitable injuries, every team gets them, but rebuilding teams records are more susceptible because of the lack of quality depth. This team won 3 games last year, you can’t ignore that and even winning 2 more games, marked improvement have you, that’s still a top 5 pick. The pick in 2024 was a hedge against a bad record. So if the team finished with a bad record that asset goes up in value, and when viewed in the larger context of all the negative uncertainty with this season, that hedge was not just valuable but STRATEGIC. Yet they basically sold it at a discount, and now have no hedge if the rebuild has bumps in the road. There’s something called postponement in the business world, essentially by postponing decisions as long as feasible, you allow for more information to be available when you have to make that decision, thus you are able to make better decisions, this keeps a business flexible to changing conditions. Having those extra picks and having a pick later would have kept the Texans in a more flexible position. Even still they still could pulled the trigger on WAJ.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
And if they don’t it’s Stroud’s fault.
If the OL stayed healthy and Stroud played reasonably well.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I don't think he will be as good as Derrick Thomas, but even if he is at that level, considering all the holes this team has, I wouldn't give up that draft capital. I would have taken Stroud, then taken a different defensive player with my 2nd #1 pick. And kept the 2024 pick in my pocket. I think that was DeMeco's guy and Nick did whatever it took. History will tell the tale on this one. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
Absolutely! Just how it should be
No one knew the O-line would be in this state at the time if the draft. Kicking the can down the road was over when Ryans was hired. Everyone knew that, including Caserio.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yep we could have
1.2 W Anderson
1.12 CB Christian Gonzalez 13 Ts, 1 sack 1 INT
2.33 Steve Avila OG
Still could have Scruggs and Patterson.
2024
Rnd 1 WR Marvin Harrison
Rnd 1 Browns
QB Shedeur Sanders
Rnd 2 Bralen Trice
6'4 274 DE
Porky
Hall of Fame
They call the title general manager for a reason. If his only job is to carry the water for the coaches, then Texian is right, he’s a errand boy, a file clerk or whatever label might apply.
I’m not saying don’t collaborate, but as GM he must keep the bigger picture in mind and make the final calls. These draft picks, coaching hires, trades, etc…are on his record.
Some of us here want to hold his feet to the fire. Others find excuses. His record to date is miserable. If there’s a worse GM in football, I’d like to know who.
Kicking the the can down the road is quite different from showing patience. The Texans are and will pay the price for their impatience.
Because people believe the Texans are serious about winning. That's what these "moves" translate to & shows some sense of urgency. I agree with you, firing Caserio right now would send mixed signals.
But these guys need to sit down & determine if they are being consistent with what they are doing & where they want to go.
exactly
Yup
He was knee capped.
Ryans has the final say
When Hannah isn't sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong.
Porky
Hall of Fame
you can’t be serious. So the GM doesn’t choose the players. He doesn’t choose the coaches. He just twiddles his thumbs, shuffles paper around his desk and takes a few calls. Does he at least make a decent cup of coffee?
jradMIT
Veteran
Is he Nick Casserio or Kaiser Soze? I can envision a scene where Slick Nick is sitting in the interview room weaving tales of ALL the “Usual Suspects” Lovie, Culley, Warhop, Cal, Hannah and of course the Easter Bunny. Has anyone else observed the limp?
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Doesn't wear a headset during the game.
In normal orgs you would be correct. The Texans org has never been a normal org.
He does contracts, brings in players for tryouts etc... Sets up the draft/FA boards.
Tell me this, if Ryans wants a player in the draft, do you think Ryans will get his guy if Caserio disagrees with Ryans?
jradMIT
Veteran
When they have a pick and a player is on the board, sure defer to the HC, but Who decides to make the trade up? Who decides whether the price is too costly? If it’s Demeco then he’s effectively the GM.
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Caserio negotiates the trades to get Ryans guys.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Caserio is the one on the phone negotiating with the other GM's.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I think in todays NFL the HC has more say. It used to be the GM puts everything together and the HC just coaches. Not any more. The HC tells the GM what type of players he wants or which player and the GM makes it happen.
Mangler
Toro de España
It's time we had an honest conversation about the Houston Texans GM
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If 2023 ends up being another losing season (95% chance of 2023 being a losing season) Hannah must step back in and interview one of the 49ers executives. Hell, interview one from Seattle as well. I think it’s time to move Caserio into his new fancy title role permanently.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
It's time we had an honest conversation about the Houston Texans GM
REALITY CHECK
If 2023 ends up being another losing season (95% chance of 2023 being a losing season) Hannah must step back in and interview one of the 49ers executives. Hell, interview one from Seattle as well. I think it’s time to move Caserio into his new fancy title role permanently.
I'm pretty sure Caserio will be back next year. But he's gonna have to really hit on that 1st pick. I do agree Caserio is on thin ice if the Texans don't have serious improvements in 2024. DeMeco won't be going anywhere, so if someone goes it'll be Caserio.
I think free agency will be even more important. The Texans have to attract some A list FAs, not just the b and c list guys Nick has signed in the past.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Seems like Caserio has been here much longer than Jan 2021. Since this poll has a lot of undecided votes, can it be reopened? Maybe open it at the conclusion of each season and close it 2 weeks after the draft. IMO, during the season would be too much of an emotional roller coaster based on each week's games.