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Nick Caserio - keeper or kerb?

Keeper or kerb?

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Double Barrel said:
The Houston Texans history is the epitome of clueless owners since its inception.

I expect nothing different in 2023 until they prove otherwise.
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Yeah, season ticket sales called me to get me to come back and asked why I left. I said BOB, Easterby, ownership, product on field, meant could not give tickets away and our section had 50% or more of opposing team people making game day experience not so fun. Was getting stale as well. She says we can waive PSL's and with new coach and picks should get back in, I said prove it and I will attend a few games, but don't trust current ownership enough to go all in and get season tickets again. I think they under estimate just how bad this has been and now they need years of competent moves to win most of us back. I will be a fan, and root, just not with the pocket book until I see things are truly different. DR was a good move, like the free agency (Schultz, Woods, Ward, Singletary, Perryman, DT's) and OG trade, now show and execute a plan with the draft. Then we have to see if DR and his staff can coach. If stars align, could be a nice change even this year, if coaching stinks, could be same old.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Houston Texans history is the epitome of clueless owners since its inception.

I expect nothing different in 2023 until they prove otherwise.
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That is a FACT.

The thing that burns me so much about that first pick is how they said all the right things leading up to Bob McNair falling in love with David Carr. "Gonna build from the trenches", "Put this team together the right way", "Solid foundation" and so on. Then they went into the expansion draft with that plan to go for salary amount over quantity and started taking players that were actually good. I mean guys that had something in the tank and could play. That 2002 defense on any team with even a half-assed offense could have won you some games. We didn't know at the time that the Boselli pick was a problem and that he'd never play again so it looked like the idea of leading off with a veteran defense and building the offense around the OL and through the draft was a sound one. That stuff looked (to me at least) right out of the gate like McNair, Casserly, and Capers had a plan to beat the house. Cleveland got competitive too quick for NFL powers that be and so they made it harder on the Texans. They need not have bothered. The Texans front office did a perfect job of making it hard on themselves.

That 1.1 pick was the only one in that first draft I would have not hesitated to spend on defense. I know the defense didn't "need" Peppers right then and there but it was the only sensible pick. Just start Tony Banks for a year or two. He was better on day one of the Texans existence than Carr would ever be. But hey, they said all the right things going into their first season. They just didn't do some of them.
 
Porky said:
I am not in favor of firing Nick at this time. That time came and went which was Jan 2023. I would assess his future after the 2024 season when a fair assessment of the bounty from Watson deal plus overall progress can be fairly made.

That said, if he leaves of his own volition, I won’t exactly be upset either.

On the plus side, I think he navigated the Watson trade pretty well. Not perfect, but given the circumstances, as good as can be expected. It’s early but his mid rounders have mostly been on point. I also like how he is willing to work the board up and down on draft day. His predecessor, Gaine, never made a single trade on draft day.

On the downside, some of the guys he has targeted in trade ups haven’t been guys I’d spend draft capital on. Right idea, wrong guys imho. His first rounders so far leave a lot to be desired. If he is ceding those selections to others, that’s on him. Ultimately he is responsible. Lastly, the Culley selection is the biggest head scratcher of his tenure. it’s beyond bad, it’s embarrassing. I also feel he didn’t do enough to put his foot down regarding Easterby. Once he had his foot in the door, he needed to go to Cal and demand that the guy be jettisoned. Instead it took Lovie to save the day which makes Nick look weak and like the file clerk that Texian believes he is.

All in all, it’s a slightly generous C- grade to this point. But I still would give him additional time to put his stamp on the team. He can use the rope to either climb out of the hole he has put himself in…or he can use it to hang himself.
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Culley did an admirable job considering the cards he was dealt. The players liked him and even though there were not.a lot of wins the team improved as the season went along. The win against the Chargers was a sign the team was improving and headed in the right direction. It was a signature win for the team that season and to me it was enough that Culley should have kept his job for at least a second season. If anything I think he did better than Lovie Smith despite having close to the same records. Davis Mills also finished his season under coach Culley better than he did under Lovie Smith.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Culley did an admirable job considering the cards he was dealt. The players liked him and even though there were not.a lot of wins the team improved as the season went along. The win against the Chargers was a sign the team was improving and headed in the right direction. It was a signature win for the team that season and to me it was enough that Culley should have kept his job for at least a second season. If anything I think he did better than Lovie Smith despite having close to the same records. Davis Mills also finished his season under coach Culley better than he did under Lovie Smith.
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The entire Lovie Smith "thing" was just really weird. Made no sense whatsoever.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Been a while, but I thought that was a result of the whole McCown debacle. Kind of erased that period from my memory.
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Yeah, that was nuts too. It's like when the Colts brought Jeff Saturday in as interim out of nowhere (you could sort of see how that was just a bit of fun) but the Texans just started looking at McCown like he was some great option that nobody but them could see. God what a crazy time to be an NFL fan in Houston this has been.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, that was nuts too. It's like when the Colts brought Jeff Saturday in as interim out of nowhere (you could sort of see how that was just a bit of fun) but the Texans just started looking at McCown like he was some great option that nobody but them could see. God what a crazy time to be an NFL fan in Houston this has been.
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Lovie got his revenge at the end of the season, good for him I guess.

Don't remember the details around McCown, beyond it being incredibly stupid.
 
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I have fears that the same dumb mindedness that had them seriously considering hiring McCown will show up in this draft. One step forward and two or three steps back.
 
Lucky said:
Is there a guy in San Fran that Ryans would prefer to work with? That's what I don't know. I'm undecided.
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49ers - Adam Peters
Chiefs - Mike Bongonzi
Broncos - Darren Mougey

Bonus, they all can speak plain English.
 
Double Barrel said:
Your descriptions cracked me up!! Thanks for the laugh. I needed it today. That's awesome. :heh:



I don't hate Florio like a lot of folks (he's just entertainment to me), but it's clear he's got no memory of what really went down.

Bob McNair wanted Nick Caserio. He tried to hire him in January 2018 when Nick was at the top of a Korn Ferry list. NE declined the interview request.

Hiring Jack Easterby was just a means to an end for Cal. Jack was literally just a tool (in more ways than he realized at the time) to get what his father wanted.
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It was O'Brien who sold Bob McNair on Nick Caserio and it was Jack Easterby who got Cal to pull the trigger on Nick Caserio. Cal should have known better after just firing O'Brien.
 
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thunderkyss said:
If he’s just doing what DeMeco says, what difference does it make?
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Peters has a better understanding of the WCO/ZBS and the difference would be how his scouting staff scouted players. Caserio retooled the scouting staff in the image of how Belichick wanted things done. Peters would be more copasetic. The Zen in the building would be more sacrosanct. He knows what an S2 is and how to use the NFL Trade Value Chart.
 
The Texans are still in the middle of a rebuild. We don't know if our draft picks from last year are all going to work out yet, let alone what the new rookies will do. And, for all practical purposes, the draft capital for the Watson trade has now been spent.

Now we wait. Again. September is a long ways away.

Hopefully DeMeco knows what he's doing. LOL
 
Texansballer74 said:
No he’s not doing what Meco is saying. They’re working together like they should
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That's not the question I was asking.

The question I was responding to, "Do you still want the guy from San Francisco?"

Those guys are the same guys saying that Caserio is just doing what he's told.

So I asked, "What difference does it make (because those guys think) if he's just doing what DeMeco tells him?"
 
Do I still want the guy from SF? No…..never wanted him in the first place.

Texans have Caserio….and in all honesty, he was probably the only available GM who would’ve been willing to use his first shot at being an NFL GM on this pile of deep, deep ducked up shite known as the Texans. This was a real calculated risk for failure at 2-3 years max.

Caserio has stepped in and got this thing slowly turned around. Some just sit around and want to armchair GM and critique every move as if it was their balls on the chopping block. As a fan, I may have done some things different, but all in all, Caserio has done the job while digging this team out of one the ugliest professional sports shite holes since the New York Knicks.

Finally, there’s a HC in Ryans that seems to work in step with Caserio so why in the hail would I want to change that now? This is a first for the Texans, and maybe the first time I get the feeling that the McNair’s are willing to let this be the Caserio/Ryans show b/c they finally got the GM/HC tandem right.
 
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www.totalprosports.com

REPORT: The Worst General Manager In The Entire NFL Has Been Named, According To Analyst

An NFL analyst dropped his general manager rankings and put Houston Texans GM Nick Caserio as the worst in the NFL
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Patrick Daugherty of NBC Sports recently dropped his general manager rankings. At the top of his list was Howie Roseman and what he has done with the Philadelphia Eagles.

At the bottom of the list is Nick Caserio of the Texans, who have been of the worst teams in the league even when they had Deshaun Watson at the top of his game for his final season with the team before he got traded to Cleveland.

From NBC Sports Edge:
“Is Nick Caserio actually the worst general manager in football? It’s hard to say. That’s because he spent his first two years on the job overseeing the front office about nothing. No notable draft picks. No free-agent plan beyond signing a bunch of special teamers. No long-term coaching solution with a pair of one-and-dones in David Culley and Lovie Smith. No discernible reason for existing at all after Bill O’Brien at least made sure things were never boring.”
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Porky said:
www.totalprosports.com

REPORT: The Worst General Manager In The Entire NFL Has Been Named, According To Analyst

An NFL analyst dropped his general manager rankings and put Houston Texans GM Nick Caserio as the worst in the NFL
www.totalprosports.com www.totalprosports.com

Patrick Daugherty of NBC Sports recently dropped his general manager rankings. At the top of his list was Howie Roseman and what he has done with the Philadelphia Eagles.

At the bottom of the list is Nick Caserio of the Texans, who have been of the worst teams in the league even when they had Deshaun Watson at the top of his game for his final season with the team before he got traded to Cleveland.

From NBC Sports Edge:
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Here is another recent article regarding the 2022 draft class that makes Caserio look pretty bad.
Grading Caserio's 2022 Draft Class (It Isn't Pretty) - Battle Red Blog

Considering we have already spent most of the draft capital we received from the Watson trade and the results have not yet been seen, I'm pretty close to wanting to send Nick packing.
I also think we gave up too much in this years draft when great players were still available.
 
Toro Bravo said:
Here is another recent article regarding the 2022 draft class that makes Caserio look pretty bad.
Grading Caserio's 2022 Draft Class (It Isn't Pretty) - Battle Red Blog

Considering we have already spent most of the draft capital we received from the Watson trade and the results have not yet been seen, I'm pretty close to wanting to send Nick packing.
I also think we gave up too much in this years draft when great players were still available.
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Don't put much credence in what some fan that won't give his name and has a grand total of 2 posts since 2017 makes
 
Toro Bravo said:
Considering we have already spent most of the draft capital we received from the Watson trade and the results have not yet been seen,
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Fire Caserio. I’m with you. Not arguing that.

But his first draft with Watson picks has only played 1season, less really. The 2nd class are in their 1st OTAs. What exactly do you think you “should have seen.”?
 
Toro Bravo said:
Here is another recent article regarding the 2022 draft class that makes Caserio look pretty bad.
Grading Caserio's 2022 Draft Class (It Isn't Pretty) - Battle Red Blog

Considering we have already spent most of the draft capital we received from the Watson trade and the results have not yet been seen, I'm pretty close to wanting to send Nick packing.
I also think we gave up too much in this years draft when great players were still available.
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I will say this, Caserio threw all of his chips on the table. Hopefully it works out. A GM on the hot seat.
 
ftw.usatoday.com

2023 NFL GM rankings: The 5 best and 5 worst execs, starring Howie Roseman

Every star-studded Super Bowl contender has a mastermind pulling all the right strings behind the scenes. Without a quality general manager, most great, even good, teams never even launch off the ground. And a quality GM is responsible for everything. They spend months s
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2023 NFL GM rankings: The 5 best and 5 worst execs

Caserio spent the first two years of his Texans tenure unofficially tanking while wasting the time of two head coaches — David Culley and Lovie Smith — who deserved so much better. And beyond his coaches, he also wasted the time of his fans.

Let’s be blunt here. I don’t care if Caserio’s “tanking” process led the Texans to C.J. Stroud and Will Anderson. NFL turnarounds simply don’t require mailing in two consecutive seasons. It is a blatant insult to your supporters to expect them to maintain unwavering loyalty and to anyone who loves the professional game. A majority of NFL teams are depressing and mediocre enough as it is. The least you can do is humor people by actually trying to put a competent product on the field. Caserio should be ashamed of that process alone.

I sure hope DeMeco Ryans works out as Houston’s new head coach. Because if this is a real Year 1 for Caserio, it’s time to start competing and showing progress. The excuses, if there were any to begin with in the first place, have dried out.
 
Texian said:
Peters has a better understanding of the WCO/ZBS and the difference would be how his scouting staff scouted players. Caserio retooled the scouting staff in the image of how Belichick wanted things done. Peters would be more copasetic. The Zen in the building would be more sacrosanct. He knows what an S2 is and how to use the NFL Trade Value Chart.
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I this the guy who recommended trading for Lance?
 
Porky said:
ftw.usatoday.com

2023 NFL GM rankings: The 5 best and 5 worst execs, starring Howie Roseman

Every star-studded Super Bowl contender has a mastermind pulling all the right strings behind the scenes. Without a quality general manager, most great, even good, teams never even launch off the ground. And a quality GM is responsible for everything. They spend months s
ftw.usatoday.com

2023 NFL GM rankings: The 5 best and 5 worst execs

Caserio spent the first two years of his Texans tenure unofficially tanking while wasting the time of two head coaches — David Culley and Lovie Smith — who deserved so much better. And beyond his coaches, he also wasted the time of his fans.

Let’s be blunt here. I don’t care if Caserio’s “tanking” process led the Texans to C.J. Stroud and Will Anderson. NFL turnarounds simply don’t require mailing in two consecutive seasons. It is a blatant insult to your supporters to expect them to maintain unwavering loyalty and to anyone who loves the professional game. A majority of NFL teams are depressing and mediocre enough as it is. The least you can do is humor people by actually trying to put a competent product on the field. Caserio should be ashamed of that process alone.

I sure hope DeMeco Ryans works out as Houston’s new head coach. Because if this is a real Year 1 for Caserio, it’s time to start competing and showing progress. The excuses, if there were any to begin with in the first place, have dried out.
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Did this guy copy an Drellich article that was written about Luhnow? All of this is really going to come down to is how good will Stroud be in 3 yrs?
 
steelbtexan said:
Did this guy copy an Drellich article that was written about Luhnow? All of this is really going to come down to is how good will Stroud be in 3 yrs?
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I think the criticism is valid and Casserio couldn't hold Luhnow's jock strap. If Anderson isn't a stud or if CJ fails, tricky Nicky needs an apple and a road map. So far, very unimpressed with Nick.
 
I was here at the beginning like some of the rest of you.

But Jesus Christ, don’t ya think it’s about time to put that sh!t in the rear view and move the Hell on?
 
I don't see evidence that Caserio intentionally tanked. He had no first round picks under Culley, and he got the guys Lovie asked for. Though he totally blew the Kenyon Green pick.

Caserio's worst mistake was firing Culley. Even if there was a prearrangement between Cal and Culley for a one-year payout, they should've found a way to keep him on for another year. It at least would've avoided putting Lovie in a terrible position.
 
Porky said:
I think the criticism is valid and Casserio couldn't hold Luhnow's jock strap. If Anderson isn't a stud or if CJ fails, tricky Nicky needs an apple and a road map. So far, very unimpressed with Nick.
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Well the same things were said about picking Correa and the pitcher that needed TJ surgery. Remember the heat Drellich gave Luhnow for not signing him? Not signing him lead to Bregs. Of course I'm not a fan of the media. So far I give Caserio a C+ because of extenuating circumstances. This is really going to come down to is Stroud a championship level QB and I'm sad to think that Caserio will probably lose his job , when Stroud wasn't his choice for a franchise QB.
 
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