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Justin Herbert continues to have problems with his high ankle sprain because he has not ever given it the rest and rehab to have a good chance of resolving it. I don't see this ending well for him if he and his doctors don't change course.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The way 49ers Jordan Mason fell, I'd be surprised if he did suffer an A-C shoulder separation or S-C joint separation.
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Mason should never have been put back into the game (especially if it ends up to be a S-C joint separation.

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Kyle Shanahan says it’s unclear how serious Jordan Mason’s shoulder injury is
By Michael David Smith
Published October 11, 2024 06:02 AM

The 49ers aren’t sure how serious running back Jordan Mason’s shoulder injury is after Thursday night’s win over the Seahawks.

Head coach Kyle Shanahan said after the game after Mason went to the locker room with the initial injury, he told the staff he’d be fine and was cleared to return to the game. But after one play, Mason said he was in pain and was kept available only if the team needed him in an emergency, which it didn’t.

“He thought he was going to be alright, he went back in and it just hurt so much so he went back out, I think it was the first play. And then he was out just in case of emergency,” Shanahan said.

Asked if the injury is serious, Shanahan said that will likely be determined by additional testing on Friday.

“I don’t know. You never know. Adrenaline on these days, during games, is a little different. We’ll find out tomorrow when that’s down and get X-rays.”

Mason is currently the NFL’s leading rusher, with 609 yards this season. He has filled in more than adequately for the injured Christian McCaffrey, but it’s possible that next week, the 49ers will be down to third-string running back Isaac Guerendo for their big Week Seven game against the Chiefs.
 
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What we "TALKED ABOUT" seems vague and subjective and essentially side-steps the issue. It is obvious that the people involved with the evaluation did not properly weigh his subjective responses against the visual of the intensity of the hit, the fact that he lay motionless and limp immediately following the hit, was affected enough that he was given smelling salts before returning to the game and was not evaluated in the quite environment of the locker room.

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When they say “that’s as deep as I’ll get into it” thats guilty plea to me
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The already flawed Concussion Protocol was not followed in several ways................this is the wolf guarding the chicken hut! Does this surprise anyone? :smiliepalm:

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Why Does the NFLPA get off without criticism on concussion issues?​

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The NFLPA has always been hidden puppets of the NFL.


The Concussion Litigation

The NFLPA’s silence on preemption arguments was of particular notice during the consolidated class action litigation alleging that the NFL and its clubs had been negligent in their handling of player concussions, which began in 2011. The NFL argued that the former players’ claims were preempted by the CBAs. The NFL’s prospects of having the cases dismissed in their entirety was a driving factor behind a settlement reached in 2015 which has since paid more than $1.3 billion to former players and their families.

For several years, the NFLPA took no position on the players’ claims or the NFL’s defenses. Then, in 2014, it was also sued for allegedly having failed to sufficiently protect players from the risk of concussions. In response, the NFLPA adopted the NFL’s position – arguing that the players’ claims were preempted by the CBA. A court agreed and dismissed the claims. While the union’s legal arguments were meritorious, it was striking that they had adopted a legal position consistent with the NFL’s and adverse to thousands of their former members.LINK
 
Aaron Rodgers sustained a low ankle sprain in his last last game, and played through it. He also now admits that he incurred "a little bit of a hamstring." Both of these injuries were on the left.................the same side of his recent Achilles rupture/repair...................no doubt, these are related. The team reports that he will play in MNF.
 
paycheck71 said:
I don't disagree, but do loyal US fans really have a chance to go to a Super Bowl? One of my Canadian friends (a Steelers fan) went to the SB in Dallas back in 2011 and paid something like $3500 per ticket up in the nose bleed section... No idea what these tickets go for now, but I bet it's closer to $10K
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They all have sold out. Many fans save up all year for their one blowout event. But I doubt that most of those same people travel to the ends of the earth to see the game, while they double their expenditure for travel and boarding several days.......... It would cost a fortune just for roundtrip tickets that don't include ~a week stayover.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
They all have sold out. Many fans save up all year for their one blowout event. But I doubt that most of those same people travel to the ends of the earth to see the game, while they double their expenditure for travel and boarding several days.......... It would cost a fortune just for roundtrip tickets that don't include ~a week stayover.
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You will still likely have to travel to a US based SB anyway + pay for overpriced lodging, but I get your point.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
They all have sold out. Many fans save up all year for their one blowout event. But I doubt that most of those same people travel to the ends of the earth to see the game, while they double their expenditure for travel and boarding several days.......... It would cost a fortune just for roundtrip tickets that don't include ~a week stayover.
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The SB will sell out wherever they hold it & the NFL doesn't care if it's 80,000 US fans or 130,000 German...

Well... get ready
 
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49ers fined $100K after Greenlaw shoves Cards TE

The 49ers were fined $100,000 after Dre Greenlaw, who was inactive for last Sunday's game against the Cardinals, got involved in a sideline scuffle.
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McBride blocked Ward into the San Francisco bench area, and Ward grabbed his face mask. Dre Greenlaw, who is on the physically unable to perform list for the 49ers, then came over and shoved McBride away from Ward.

There were no penalties called on the play, but all three players were issued fines on Saturday. McBride got docked $9,545 for unnecessary roughness, Ward got fined $11,255 for the face mask and Greenlaw was fined $14,069 for unnecessary roughness.
 
Report: Haason Reddick declined Jets offer that was “all but worked out”
By Mike Florio
Published October 13, 2024 10:04 AM

In the rare case of an agency firing a client, there’s always a reason for it. Three days after CAA fired Jets defensive end Haason Reddick, one potential reason has emerged.

Via Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, Reddick declined to proceed with a one-year deal that was “all but worked out” between CAA and the Jets.

The timing isn’t precisely clear. Per the report, it was “early in the season.” The offer also would have “made [Reddick] whole and much more,” allowing him to earn back the millions in fines he incurred by holding out.

Without more specifics, it’s impossible to even begin to assess, from an objective standpoint, whether Reddick should have taken the deal. At this point, both the Jets and CAA have a reason to paint him as unreasonable. (And, obviously, CAA wouldn’t have fired him if CAA didn’t actually believe he was being unreasonable.)

Regardless, Reddick decided that he didn’t want it. And CAA eventually decided it didn’t want to represent him.
 
When will someone put an end to the madness called the NFL Concussion Protocol? It's quickly become criminal!

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Marvin Harrison Jr. out with concussion
By Michael David Smith
Published October 13, 2024 03:06 PM

Cardinals wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. suffered a concussion in the first half today in Green Bay and was ruled out early in the second half.

Harrison took a hit, went to the ground, got up, staggered for a moment and then fell back to the ground. It did not look good, and it was surprising he wasn’t ruled out even more quickly than he was.

But he was ruled out early in the third quarter, and now he’ll have to go through the NFL’s concussion protocol and can’t play until he’s medically cleared. The Cardinals’ next game is against the Chargers on Monday, October 21.
 
Harbaugh has probably been dealing with atrial fibrillation and hence has been on a beta blocker to
try to contain episodes. These episodes can break through for a few seconds or minutes to a few hours to days. However when given additional medication during an episode, it can usually be resolved very quickly.

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Jim Harbaugh left sideline due to arrhythmia, but then felt well enough to continue
By Myles Simmons
Published October 13, 2024 06:33 PM

Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh had to leave the sideline early on in his team’s Week 6 matchup with the Broncos, but was able to return to the field later in the first quarter.

Los Angeles announced Harbaugh was dealing with an illness, with the head coach shedding a little more light on what happened.

CBS sideline reporter AJ Ross reported that Harbaugh said he exited the sideline due to arrhythmia, which is something he’s dealt with on and off for a while. But after going back to the locker room, he felt well enough to resume coaching the game.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Watching the play, Lions DE Aidan Hutchinson appeared to have a teammate whip leg him. He was carted off the field in an AirCast. It looks to me that he probably suffered a tibia and fibular fracture. If so, he will undergo surgical repair and be lost for the season.
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Although the Lions have reported that the tibia was fractured, I have now confirmed my initial impression that Hutchinson fractured both his tibia and his fibula.

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Dan Campbell announces Aidan Hutchinson fractured his tibia
 
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Josh Allen’s guarded remarks highlight checklist vs. healthcare tension over concussions
By Mike Florio
Published October 10, 2024 09:49 AM

Fifteen years ago, the NFL was forced to move away from the traditional how many fingers?-style model for clearing players to return after taking a big blow to the head. And much has changed, in part because if the NFL hadn’t done it on its own, Congress would have forced the issue.

A tension still lingers between getting a key player back on the field after a potential concussion and providing actual healthcare to a player who has suffered a brain injury. The latest example of it came from (and continues to come from) Bills quarterback Josh Allen.

On Sunday, Allen hit his head on the ground, hard. He missed 2:30 of game time and 6:06 of real time while he received an evaluation, first of his ankle and then of his brain. At one point on the sideline, he was offered smelling salts. He ultimately missed only one offensive snap in a game the Bills trailed by three points, 20-17, in the fourth quarter.

On one hand, it’s a checklist. On the other hand, it’s healthcare — or at least it should be. The problem is that proper healthcare takes too long. Dr. Julian Bailes told me years ago that the sideline is no place for an effective concussion evaluation.

“Making the diagnosis of concussion on the field or sideline has always been difficult,” Dr. Bailes told PFT by email in 2011. “Lately I’ve come to think that the safest way if an athlete has ‘concussion-like symptoms,’ is to remove them to the locker room where you can be away from the noise, cold, and distractions. If there is any suspicion that a concussion has occurred, then they are not put back in the game.”

The late John Madden put it this way: “When in doubt, leave them out.”

The problem with that approach is that players who ultimately did not have concussions could be prevented from playing. The more important the player, the more problematic that becomes for his team — and for a league that wants its best players on the field.

For Allen, was it a checklist applied on an expedited basis, or was it healthcare? Was there suspicion he’d suffered a concussion? The offer of smelling salts would tend to confirm that.

Three days later, something still seemed to be a little off, to the outside observer. Consider Allen’s words from Wednesday: “I obviously went into the tent. I can only control what I can control. What we talked about there, they deemed me cleared to play, and that’s what happened. That’s as deep as I’ll get into it.”

That last part feels less like Allen exercising his HIPAA rights and more like Allen choosing to say as little as possible because he might say something that lands him in the protocol.

It’s not his fault. The system allows it, if not encourages it. Like any other portion of the rules, the concussion protocol becomes something for which teams that want to win football games need to approach strategically. The players want to play.

The teams want the players to play. They understand what it takes to allow them to play.

The players, as Joe Burrow said in the aftermath of the initial Tua Tagovailoa concussion controversy, know what they signed up for. But the league has created a system that, when properly applied, can keep them from doing the thing they signed up to do.

Therein lies the rub. Checklist vs. healthcare. The players and their teams want it to be the former. The league, ideally, wants it to be the latter.

But does it? Again, the game benefits from having the best players on the field. The game benefits from players not being unreasonably delayed from returning to play after suffering a suspected concussion.

Most of us aren’t doctors. Most of us have common sense. Concussion evaluations all too often seem as if they’re regarded by player and/or team as an annoyance, not as a diagnostic tool critical to the short- and long-term health of the player.

The faster they’re done, the more they seem to be no different than a pit crew changing out the tires and filling the tank with gas. Time is of the essence, when the real essence should be the well being of a player who is willing to disregard it in the moment.
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This is more about Tua, but my thought is a player should be able to medically retire and it not effect the teams salary cap. Especially if a doctor says it is in the best interest of the player. The team should also have to pay the contract or at least 75% of it. This would allow the player to make an honest decision without worrying about the financial side.
 
Xopher said:
This is more about Tua, but my thought is a player should be able to medically retire and it not effect the teams salary cap. Especially if a doctor says it is in the best interest of the player. The team should also have to pay the contract or at least 75% of it. This would allow the player to make an honest decision without worrying about the financial side.
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If they did that, Watson would retire tomorrow and then the browns would hire a disability private eye to wire a "Vegas massage therapist" to dispute his claims.. Kinda like how they film "disabled" people roofing their houses. 😆 They can film him doing baby yoga poses.
 
Which coach gets fired next? I'm going with McCarthy after getting blown out for the 2nd time this season and not even looking competitive against the Lions. Pederson needs to be sitting on ice cubes as hot as his seat should be.
 
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Reddick's new agents eye end to Jets dispute

Dropped by his longtime agency last week, New York Jets holdout pass rusher Haason Reddick has hired Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha as his new agents.
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Rosenhaus, who already has talked with the Jets, told ESPN's Adam Schefter that he expressed hope that the dispute can be resolved soon.

"We look forward to working with the Jets to get this resolved as soon as possible," Rosenhaus told Schefter. "Haason would like to be a New York Jet for years to come, and our goal is to make that happen."
 
TexansBull said:
Yep. Hold your franchise QB out just like the Texans did with Stroud last year. Stroud missed 2 big games - Titans and Browns. Texans showed his health was more important than winning those games.
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Depends on the severity of the concussion.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
People are hardly not talking about the severe helmet-to-helmet hit Josh Allen took in the game one week prior to the Texans game.....in which both players were evaluated for concussion, cleared and allowed to return to play. It is very likely that he suffered a concussion then. Independent of our D, Allen didn't really look right throughout the Texans game, then he took that hit by the Texans D and he looked and played like little birdies were still flying around his head. A back-to-back concussion is not a far-fetched conclusion.
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Didn't he only play one series after he hit his head on the ground? I know they were backed up against their end zone. This could have also contributed to his poor play and he was playing poorly before he hit his head. So his poor play might not have been concussion related.
 
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