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Watson is so oblivious to self-awareness.............

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Deshaun Watson: “If anyone is talking about me . . . I must be pretty damn good”
By Mike Florio
Published June 11, 2024 08:15 PM

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson arguably faces the most important season of his career. In the third year of his five-year, fully-guaranteed, $230 million contract, he needs to finally give the Browns a return on their massive investment — especially since they also gave up three first-round picks and three other draft selections to get him.

The fact that he has played 12 total games since 2020 has him slipping in the various rankings of quarterbacks that currently are being published by various members of the media. (Chris Simms has him at No. 24.)

Speaking with reporters during the first day of Cleveland’s mandatory minicamp, Watson expressed his opinion regarding those who would put him low on the list.

“I don’t get involved with people trying to rate me places where they think I’m at the bottom of the list, you know, it is what it is,” Watson said. “If I was at the bottom, no one would talk about me. So, obviously, if anyone is talking about me, continue to talk about me, then I must be pretty damn good.”

That’s not why people are talking about him. They’re talking about him because he got a major contract after not playing for a full year, at a time when he had faced more than two dozen lawsuits for sexual misconduct during massage sessions. He played six games in 2022 due to a suspension for his behavior. He played six games in 2023 due to injury.

The jury is out on whether he can stay healthy and, if so, whether he can play well. He’s a topic of conversation because the pressure is on for him to become “pretty damn good” again. For three straight years, he hasn’t been.

Maybe he will be again. Maybe he won’t. That’s why he’s one of the most compelling figures for the 2024 season.

He’ll either justify the Browns for making the trade and giving him the contract, or he won’t. And if he doesn’t, the next question is whether the Browns will make a change in 2025, even if that means owing him $92 million to not play for them.
 

KC promotional. No one has ever reported why Rice "disappeared for a couple of days after the accident.............drunk?......................high as a kite??..........................​


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Surprise Rashee Rice Report Emerges From First Minicamp Practice​

By Joe Summers | Jun 11, 2024​

 
CloakNNNdagger said:

KC promotional. No one has ever reported why Rice "disappeared for a couple of days after the accident.............drunk?......................high as a kite??..........................​


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Surprise Rashee Rice Report Emerges From First Minicamp Practice​

By Joe Summers | Jun 11, 2024​

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So the author wants to put to rest the notion that Rice's crimes will have an effect on his play in 2024. That's good to know. That's what is important here.
 
Refreshing insight from a younster.

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Jayden Daniels: I ain’t a star yet, I have a long way to go
By Josh Alper
Published June 12, 2024 04:57 PM

Commanders wide receiver Terry McLaurin had plenty of good things to say about first-round pick Jayden Daniels from the team’s mandatory minicamp this week, including that he thinks Daniels has shown a high level of self-awareness for a rookie quarterback.

Daniels is still a rookie, though, and that means he’s far from a finished product. That’s something that Daniels said that he is well aware of as the offseason program comes to an end.

“I ain’t a star quarterback yet,” Daniels said, via John Keim of ESPN.com. “I got long way to go. I’m a rookie.”

Daniels said he’s “just trying to soak up as much knowledge as possible” as he works his way toward reaching the level that McLaurin and others from the Commanders have said they expect him to reach at the professional level. That approach should serve him well over the next few months because he has a lot to prove before anyone will be crowning him as an NFL star.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
And another QB rollout lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1801329329575489815
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With most of the posted videos of his passing plays, his elbow does not reach the shoulder level and the release point is not above his helmet.............and his velocity is quite suspect. This is all consistent with a continuing problem with his shoulder. If things don't significantly improve for him by the beginning of the season, it may not improve much at all..................and that doesn't account for continuing WTF decisions he not uncommonly makes on the field.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
I for one am happy the Jags think they have their Joe Burrow and are investing accordingly. Baalke as GM is the best move the Jags have made (for the Texans).
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Hey that’s what you suppose to do when all parties believe he’s their franchise quarterback.

I believe the Texans will extend CJ after this season, especially if he puts up similar numbers or very close to the stats from last season.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Hey that’s what you suppose to do when all parties believe he’s their franchise quarterback.

I believe the Texans will extend CJ after this season, especially if he puts up similar numbers or very close to the stats from last season.
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Cannot extend until after their third season, and 1st rounders usually get extended after their fourth as teams have a fifith year option
 

Browns' Deshaun Watson Named A QB Most Likely To Change Teams​

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson could find himself on his way out of town following the 2024 season.

Evan Massey | 23 Hours ​


The Cleveland Browns are entering the 2024 NFL season hopeful for a big bounce-back campaign from quarterback Deshaun Watson.

After pulling off one of the biggest trades in league history to acquire Watson, he has been nothing more than a massive disappointment. However, there is still time for him to turn things around.

A lot is riding on the 2024 season for Watson. His future with the Browns is one of the things potentially in the balance.

Bleacher Report recently took a look at quarterbacks around the league who are most likely to change teams following the upcoming season. Watson was on that list.

"Maybe this is the year he gets it back together, in which case the Browns will surely hold onto a player whose five-year, $230 million contract is fully guaranteed. But if he falls on his face again, the team could try to find out if a desperate counterpart is willing to see if he can rediscover that Houston magic on its roster via a trade."

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Trevor Lawrence isn’t worth that jack…at least what he has shown so far. He fluctuates between average to good for the most part with flashes of very good. He’s got the physical tools, but it seems to me he struggles at times with 2nd and 3rd reads. He’s certainly a “solid starter” and I get the thought of an extension, but that’s elite level franchise QB money imho. helluva payday for a guy that’s not a true elite playmaker and shows inconsistencies.
 
Inside the Trevor Lawrence deal
Published June 14, 2024 01:28 PM

Jaguars quarterback Trevor Lawrence has his new contract. We have the full details of it.
Here they are, per a source with knowledge of the terms:
1. Signing bonus: $37.5 million.
2. 2024 base salary: $1.5 million, fully guaranteed.
3. 2025 option bonus: $35 million, fully guaranteed.
4. 2025 base salary: $2 million, fully guaranteed.
5. 2025 workout bonus: $500,000.
6. 2026 option bonus: $35 million, fully guaranteed.
7. 2026 base salary: $2 million, fully guaranteed.
8. 2026 workout bonus: $500,000.
9. 2027 option bonus: $35 million (see No. 10 below).
10. 2027 base salary: $6 million. Of the $41 million 2027 compensation package, $29 million is guaranteed at signing. Another $12 million is guaranteed for injury at signing. It becomes fully guaranteed in early 2026.
11. 2027 workout bonus: $500,000.
12. 2028 option bonus: $35 million, guaranteed for injury at signing; fully guaranteed in early 2027.
13. 2028 base salary: $11 million, guaranteed for injury at signing; fully guaranteed in early 2027.
14. 2028 workout bonus: $500,000.
15. 2029 base salary: $50 million.
16. 2029 workout bonus: $500,000.
17. 2030 base salary: $53.341 million.
18. 2030 workout bonus: $500,000.

The deal includes $1.5 million in incentives from 2026 through 2030. Lawrence gets $500,000 if he takes at least 60 percent of the snaps and if the Jaguars win the AFC Championship. He gets $1 million if he takes at least 60 percent of the snaps and the Jaguars win the Super Bowl. It’s a total of $6 million; to get there, the Jaguars would have to win four straight Super Bowls.

The contract includes a no-trade clause that becomes nullified if Lawrence holds out, if he is suspended by the team, or if he commits a forfeitable breach of the contract.

The good news is that the first three years and most of the fourth are fully guaranteed at signing. The early cash flow, however, doesn’t compare well to the deals signed last year by Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert.

Lawrence gets $82.658 million this year. Burrow got $111.46 million in his first year. Herbert got $100 million.

Through two years, Lawrence’s $124.15 million catches Herbert — but remains well behind Burrow’s $146.71 million.

Through three years, Lawrence is ahead of Herbert at $170 million. However, Lawrence will still be $13 million behind Burrow.

The seven-year, $306.34 million deal has an average from signing of $43.763 million. The new money average matches Burrow at $55 million.
 
Porky said:
Trevor Lawrence isn’t worth that jack…at least what he has shown so far. He fluctuates between average to good for the most part with flashes of very good. He’s got the physical tools, but it seems to me he struggles at times with 2nd and 3rd reads. He’s certainly a “solid starter” and I get the thought of an extension, but that’s elite level franchise QB money imho. helluva payday for a guy that’s not a true elite playmaker and shows inconsistencies.
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QB purgatory. That’s what I call those teams who have a “good” QB but maybe not good enough to go far in the playoffs. Dallas has it with Dak right now. Jags probably have it with Lawrence now. Texans had it with Schaub.

There’s a reason the Bears moved on from Fields. Good player, could be LJ 2.0 even… but is that good enough to win a Super Bowl? If you don’t think so, don’t invest in that 2nd contract and move onto someone who might.

Problem with Jags/Dallas is they have QBs good enough to keep them from drafting their replacement (barring injury of course).
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With most of the posted videos of his passing plays, his elbow does not reach the shoulder level and the release point is not above his helmet.............and his velocity is quite suspect. This is all consistent with a continuing problem with his shoulder. If things don't significantly improve for him by the beginning of the season, it may not improve much at all..................and that doesn't account for continuing WTF decisions he not uncommonly makes on the field.
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Losing your talent and being dumb.

Couldn't happen to a better guy.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
QB purgatory. That’s what I call those teams who have a “good” QB but maybe not good enough to go far in the playoffs. Dallas has it with Dak right now. Jags probably have it with Lawrence now. Texans had it with Schaub.

There’s a reason the Bears moved on from Fields. Good player, could be LJ 2.0 even… but is that good enough to win a Super Bowl? If you don’t think so, don’t invest in that 2nd contract and move onto someone who might.

Problem with Jags/Dallas is they have QBs good enough to keep them from drafting their replacement (barring injury of course).
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2nd contracts like Lawrence's just killed any chance the Jags have of winning a SB. The NFL needs to separate QB contracts from other players contracts.
 
Lucky said:
Most top QBs get their extensions after year 3. Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, etc. That would be the 2026 offseason for Stroud.
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After yr 3, a new contract for Stroud will give the Texans 3-4 more yrs to win a SB.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No doubt Sunday Ticket is a monopoly fan-destructive scam NFL package.
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No doubt? I mean, I don't have Sunday Ticket. I've never had it. But why is it "fan-destructive"? I grew up when you had 3-4 NFL games on TV a week. You were going to see the Cowboys. And the Oilers, if Channel 2 bought the last remaining tickets to avoid the blackout. Very limiting. Definitely a monopoly. But not "fan-destructive".

I don't know why having an opportunity to watch every game you would like to, even at a premium, is a bad thing? Fan-enabling, if you ask me.
 
Lucky said:
No doubt? I mean, I don't have Sunday Ticket. I've never had it. But why is it "fan-destructive"? I grew up when you had 3-4 NFL games on TV a week. You were going to see the Cowboys. And the Oilers, if Channel 2 bought the last remaining tickets to avoid the blackout. Very limiting. Definitely a monopoly. But not "fan-destructive".

I don't know why having an opportunity to watch every game you would like to, even at a premium, is a bad thing? Fan-enabling, if you ask me.
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I've thought the exact same thing about the whole Sunday Ticket drama.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
There’s a reason the Bears moved on from Fields. Good player, could be LJ 2.0 even…
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Fields is not a good player, if he has to play the QB position. And he's nowhere near the QB Lamar Jackson is. If he were, the Bears would have gotten multiple 1sts for Fields, rather than a 6th.

Trevor Lawrence? I'm pretty certain that if he were on the open market, Lawrence would get the same contract, if not larger. The Jags could have gotten multiple 1sts for Lawrence. If there comes a time when the Jags decide to move on, Lawrence will still be a commodity other teams will want to invest in.
 
Porky said:
apple.news

Could NFL Sunday Ticket lawsuit change the way America can watch — and pay for — football? — Yahoo Sports

A class action lawsuit threatens the way the NFL packages its viewing options.
apple.news apple.news

Very good piece regarding Sunday Ticket and football broadcasts more broadly.

He raises some very salient points. What they are doing now is extremely non-consumer friendly.
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It really just reads as a consumer base actually suing a business to have the business operate the way they want.

Would it be more 'fan-friendly' to have the kind of options that were described in the above article, sure, and I think we'd all agree that'd be great, for us. But that's a far cry from, as a suggestion to a business, taking said business to court because you don't like the options/menu.

I mean, no one is being forced to do anything other than freely choose to buy the thing or not.
 
Lucky said:
No doubt? I mean, I don't have Sunday Ticket. I've never had it. But why is it "fan-destructive"? I grew up when you had 3-4 NFL games on TV a week. You were going to see the Cowboys. And the Oilers, if Channel 2 bought the last remaining tickets to avoid the blackout. Very limiting. Definitely a monopoly. But not "fan-destructive".

I don't know why having an opportunity to watch every game you would like to, even at a premium, is a bad thing? Fan-enabling, if you ask me.
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The average fan cannot afford the all-or-nothing deal of the Sunday Ticket. NFL Sunday Ticket is for 4 non-cancellable payments of $112.25/mo or $202449/yr. Monthly payment plans are not available in many locations. And in addition, it requires at least a YouTube TV Base plan for an additional $57.99/mo for your first 3 months (save $45) and $72.99/mo for the last 2 months of the season thereafter. All discounts go away next week.

That's a total outlay of ~$768. There are no mini packages for fans to follow their favorite out of town teams or divisions.F

NFL Sunday Ticket does not include preseason games.
Thursday Night Football on Amazon Prime is not available on YouTube TV.
Postseason games are not included.

Furthermore, as of November 2023, YouTube had ~ 1.5 million NFL Sunday Ticker Subscribers. Projecting a first-year rights cost of $1.773 billion, Morgan Stanley projects that Google will lose $1.204 billion in its first year. It would take 3.18 million subscribers for Google/YouTube to break even. By 2029, the research outfit predicts, Google will have 2.5 million NFL Sunday Ticket customers, generating around $835 million in revenue. But rights costs will rise to $2.243 billion, Morgan Stanley projects, and losses will reach $1.408 billion. link
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YouTube has admitted that the NFL Sunday Ticket advertising revenues are expected to account for a drop in the bucket compared to the NFL Sunday Ticket subscription revenues.

Soooooooooooooooo...................where do you think that the make up will come from in subsequent years?

It should be interesting to follow the pending class action lawsuit by NFL Sunday Ticket subscribers vs the NFL and Direct TV................and how it may affect the NFL and the new YouTube deal.

Why 2.4 million NFL Sunday Ticket subscribers could become eligible for over $6 billion payout​

How will the NFL resolve this potentially expensive dispute?
Christopher Smith
May 30, 2024 at 2:00 PM ET
 
Lucky said:
Fields is not a good player, if he has to play the QB position. And he's nowhere near the QB Lamar Jackson is. If he were, the Bears would have gotten multiple 1sts for Fields, rather than a 6th.

Trevor Lawrence? I'm pretty certain that if he were on the open market, Lawrence would get the same contract, if not larger. The Jags could have gotten multiple 1sts for Lawrence. If there comes a time when the Jags decide to move on, Lawrence will still be a commodity other teams will want to invest in.
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Agree to disagree on Fields. I don’t think he’s a world beater but I think if he had the coaches LJ had throughout his career he’d be a solid starter with flashes for more. But I don’t think you can go deep in the playoffs with him.

Sure Lawrence would fetch a bounty on the open market. But that doesn’t mean a team can go deep in the playoffs with him. WD40 fetched a bounty on the trade market and there were plenty of people then who had reservations about his ability to go deep in the playoffs… definitely more now. Lawrence is in the Dak tier imo. Teams will invest because that’s an above average starting QB. But imo that’s not a “get to the conference championship/Super Bowl” QB.
 
The Browns had red zone seven-on-seven sessions on both of Watson’s minicamp throwing days. Though Watson was reported to seemingly having have normal velocity and an above-average completion rate in the standard seven-on-seven sessions, he went 0-for-8 between Tuesday and Thursday in the red zone. The last of Watson’s five red zone throws Thursday was intercepted by linebacker Tony Fields II.
 
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