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TexansBull said:
Good thing Denver has great owners from the Wal Mart family that know how to run a business.

Remember when Sean Payton was talking crap about our owners?

Remember when Sean Payton was talking about how bad the previous coach was?

Yea. We all remember.
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They need to start rebuilding.
 
Garoppolo was never sent to the sidelines, despite being knocked around like a rag doll. After the game was over, he was evaluated for a concussion. He looks on video to have also definitely sustained a high ankle sprain. On that play and on others, he hit his head on the turf. McDaniels or no one in the office have been willing to say when the the concussion occurred or even confirm the injury. Evidently, the Raiders and the NFL didn't want to pull him for a "nobody" playing the rest of the game............not good for viewership.
 
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Jimmy Garoppolo placed in concussion protocol
By Myles Simmons
Published September 25, 2023 02:08 PM

Raiders quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo was evaluated for a concussion after Sunday night’s loss to the Steelers and has been placed in the concussion protocol, head coach Josh McDaniels told reporters in his Monday press conference.

That puts Garoppolo’s availability for the Week 4 matchup with the Chargers into question.

McDaniels said he was unsure when Garoppolo suffered his concussion.

“There was nothing ever mentioned or talked about relative to that,” McDaniels said. “I’m not even sure what [or] when, what hit, if it was just an accumulation — I have no idea. There was never a conversation about that, so I’m not sure exactly. And I haven’t seen him yet this morning. So I’m not exactly sure when it took place or if it was just a culmination of things.”
Garoppolo went to the locker room early at halftime after he was twisted up on a sack. But he was back on the field to start the third quarter and didn’t miss an offensive snap.

The Raiders also have veteran Brian Hoyer and rookie Aidan O’Connell on their roster at quarterback.

“We’ll prepare for everybody,” McDaniels said of the upcoming practice week. “I mean, obviously that would change things relative to Aidan also if Jimmy was not able to progress through the protocol to the able to play. So we’ll be hard at work to manage that situation as best we can as it progresses through the week.”

Hoyer, 37, started a game for New England last year but had to come out due to injury. That’s when Bailey Zappe made his debut and played well.

A fourth-round pick out of Purdue, O’Connell played well in the preseason, completing 69 percent of his passes for 482 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions.
 
Jaguars president Mark Lamping says his threat the team would move wasn’t actually a threat
By Mike Florio
Published September 25, 2023 11:46 AM

Last week, Jaguars president Mark Lamping made a not-so-subtle threat that the team would leave Jacksonville if it doesn’t get $1 billion in taxpayer money to renovate the team’s home stadium. Lamping is now trying to say his not-so-subtle threat was not a threat at all.

Via the Jacksonville Business Journal, Lamping “pushed back on the idea that the team is threatening to leave,” and that “viewing [his] comments as a threat to leave Jacksonville isn’t correct.”

It might not be a threat. It might be a promise.

“If there’s a referendum, the ballot question should be: Do you want to keep the NFL in Jacksonville?” Lamping said at a conference in St. Louis, after polling showed that Jacksonville residents don’t have the stomach to devote nine figures of taxpayer funds to the desired upgrades.

“Look, if Jacksonville loses an NFL team, they’re never going to get another one,” Lamping also said last week. “And if the Jaguars have to relocate from Jacksonville, those of us that went down there would have failed. OK? And none of us want to face that.”

If it’s not a threat, it’s a pre-threat. It’s a sign of what may come if the politicians opt to reject both the easy way and the hard way to shake four billion quarters out of the collective couch cushions.

Lamping and the Jags are in a tough spot. If they won’t be getting the money they want without any real effort, it will be time to apply some elbow grease. When it comes to the stadium-financing game, the only real elbow grease is a threat to use those elbows and the rest of the arms to pack bags.
 
The NFL again being protective of their broadcast investments in starting QBs.

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Mac Jones may be fined, won’t be suspended for hitting Sauce Gardner in crotch
By Josh Alper
Published September 26, 2023 08:43 AM

Patriots quarterback Mac Jones’ below the belt shot to Jets cornerback Sauce Gardner won’t result in the quarterback missing any time.

Gardner accused Jones of extracurricular activity after a quarterback sneak in New England’s Week Three win and video shows contact between the two players before Gardner shoves Jones away. Jones said on Monday that he did not intentionally strike Gardner and the league investigation into the matter didn’t find a reason for severe punishment.

Monday passed without any word of a suspension for Jones and Tom Pelissero of NFL Media confirmed with the NFL’s non-media officials that no ban is coming. Jones could still be fined for his hands-on approach to the cornerback’s nether regions.

If Jones is fined, it will be the second year in a row that the quarterback has been disciplined by the league. He was fined for a low block on former Bengals cornerback Eli Apple during a 2022 game between the teams.
 
Joe Burrow: There was risk of further injury, but also a risk of going 0-3
By Josh Alper
Published September 26, 2023 06:25 AM

Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow wasn’t 100 percent on Monday night, but he was out there to help the team get its first win of the season.

Burrow’s calf injury has limited his effectiveness through the first three weeks of the season and he said he was “pretty cautious with extending plays” during the 19-16 win over the Rams.

Burrow worked out on Monday before the game to test his calf and said he did not “have any setbacks,” which served as his criteria for giving it a go as he balanced the possibility of further injury against the chance that the Bengals would fall further off the pace in the AFC.

“It was all stuff that you weigh when you’re making that decision,” Burrow said, via a transcript from the team. “There is the risk to go out there and potentially re-injure it, but there’s also the risk to not go out there and be 0-3. So, I wanted to be out there for my guys, and I was confident that I would be able to do what I needed to to get the win.”

Burrow said he’s “still day-to-day” due to the injury, but felt “way better” than he did after the team’s Week Two loss to the Ravens and that he’s hopeful he’ll have a full week of practice before the team tries for its second win of the year against the Titans this Sunday. Wednesday will bring word if that’s the case or if the Bengals will spend another week worrying about the availability of their quarterback.
 
Colts QB Richardson is still in the Concussion protocol. But despite Minshew's good performance in his absence, the team says that Richardson will return as starter when he returns.
 
Panthers work out Kellen Mond
By Charean Williams
Published September 26, 2023 06:38 PM

The Panthers not only worked out quarterback Bryce Perkins, but the NFL’s tryout list also shows they worked out quarterback Kellen Mond on Tuesday.

The team is looking for a practice squad replacement for Jake Luton, who left to sign with the Saints’ active roster.

The Browns cut Mond out of the preseason and chose to sign PJ Walker to the practice squad as the third quarterback behind Deshaun Watson and rookie Dorian Thompson-Robinson.

The Vikings made Mond a third-round pick out of Texas A&M in 2021. He played in one game as a rookie, completing 2 of 3 passes for 5 yards.

The Vikings waived Mond out of the preseason in 2022, and the Browns claimed him off waivers. He did not play for the Browns last season.

Bryce Young, the No. 1 overall pick, missed Sunday’s game with an ankle injury. Andy Dalton started, and Luton was the backup. But now Luton is in New Orleans, leaving the Panthers without anyone behind Dalton.
 
A strange twist.......false reporting............open case.

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Former NFL WR Mike Williams’s death is under investigation
Published September 26, 2023 08:43 PM

The death of former NFL receiver Mike Williams has entailed multiple twists and turns. The latest is an eye-opener.

Via Olivia George of the Tampa Bay Times. police are investigating the passing of the Williams, who initially was injured last month in a construction accident.

Per the report, Williams’s grandmother and the mother of his daughter contacted Tampa police after they allegedly heard that someone had brought the drug Percocet to Williams. it allegedly happened on the same day Williams went into cardiac arrest.

“The nature of the crime is under review,” the Tampa police department told the Times via email. The Hillsborough County Medical Examiner’s office separately told the Times that the cause of death is “pending further study,” and that a case summary could not be released due to an “open active criminal investigation.”

Three of Williams’s close friends have told the Times that Williams was provided drugs by visitors.

Initial reports that Williams had died were erroneous. And he apparently wasn’t removed from life support as a precursor to passing away; he reportedly was improving.

Then came the cardiac arrest, potentially associated with the ingestion of Percocet, along with the medication he was being prescribed during his hospital stay.

Hopefully, the authorities will get to the bottom of this one. If someone is responsible for Williams’s death, they need to be made accountable for the situation.
 
There has been terrible reporting on this case. Here is the most information revealed that I have been able to find. These presented facts from beginning to end are entirely different from those originally presented by all sources.

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Tampa Police investigating circumstances of NFL star Mike Williams’ death
Five people told the Times they are concerned visitors brought unprescribed drugs to the former Bucs player during his hospital stay.
 
Another explanation that makes no sense.
Non-disclosure of player illnesses highlights another type of NFL inside information
By Mike Florio

Published September 27, 2023 10:31 AM

After Monday night’s win over the Buccaneers, Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts said he played through flu-like symptoms. Hurts, however, had not been listed as having an illness on the various injury reports filed by the team before the game.

The situation demonstrates another area of inside information that could be, in theory, mishandled by those hoping to place legal wagers on a given game.

We asked the NFL whether Hurts or any other Eagles players who were under the weather should have been disclosed as having an illness.

“Unless the players missed practice or were limited in any way, they would not need to be listed on the injury report,” chief NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told PFT via email.

That’s what happened with one Eagles player. Safety Terrell Edmunds did not practice on Thursday or Friday with an illness. He was disclosed on each injury report issued last week as having an illness.

This approach exposes a subtle but tangible difference between injuries and illnesses. When a player has an injury, it gets disclosed even if he fully participates in practice all week. When a player has an illness, it is not required to be disclosed unless the player has been limited in some way.

And for an illness that arises or becomes exacerbated on game day, McCarthy said that the team must update its injury report only "f a player’s illness causes the club to decide that a player will not start or will not play.”

In other words, if a player is under 100 percent due to an illness (and Hurts apparently was), the team need not say anything unless he won’t start or won’t play.

The bottom line is that the teams have a blank check to hide illnesses that don’t limit a player’s ability to participate in practice or keep him from starting or playing. Which makes those illnesses inside information that could be misappropriated by those looking to profit from it.

Of course, if anyone tried to parlay that information into betting on the Bucs to win or to cover the spread, those wagers would have lost. But Hurts finished under his rushing total of 43; if someone knew he was secretly ill and used that information to bet he wouldn’t run as much as projected, that information provided a very real benefit.

With so many unresolved questions about the manner in which a wide variety of inside information is handled, the less inside information the better. So why not require any player who has an illness to be disclosed as having an illness?

It seems like a simple fix that would wall off one of the various ways that the league could eventually be stung by the use of inside information by those who have access to it, whether it’s a player, a member of the coaching staff, a member of the training staff, a member of the medical staff, or anyone else who happens to know a specific truth that is not available to the public at large.

In a world of illegal gambling, it doesn’t matter. In a nation that has embraced legalized sports betting programs one state at a time, it becomes “material, non-public information” that should be guarded in the same way that corporations protect facts that could influence the buying and selling of public shares of stock.

As to player illnesses, the NFL should just require the information to be disclosed.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As to player illnesses, the NFL should just require the information to be disclosed.
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That's really going down the rabbit hole. Fans (and bettors) will want to know just how sick the player is. What's his temperature? Is he eating solid food? There will still be ways to confuse the betting public if they don't know how sick the player is. I think how the NFL is currently handling the issue is appropriate. If the player is missing or limited in practice, put him on the report. Simple.
 
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“One of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL.” That was Denver Broncos head coach Sean Payton referring to a coach other than himself. What a difference a game makes. The 70-20 drubbing the Broncos received in Miami on Sunday has some in Broncos Country pining for the good ol’ days...
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Sean Payton, over-hyped, way to expensive, and now this. Broncos are going to be a mess for a while it seems.
 
Lucky said:
That's really going down the rabbit hole. Fans (and bettors) will want to know just how sick the player is. What's his temperature? Is he eating solid food? There will still be ways to confuse the betting public if they don't know how sick the player is. I think how the NFL is currently handling the issue is appropriate. If the player is missing or limited in practice, put him on the report. Simple.
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I dont care how sick he is, I would rather know that the guy was sick even if it didn't hurt his performance than not know at all.
 
There is always a debate about who is or not a championship QB because you will never win a championship with them.

I saw a stat that since winning the Super Bowl with the Rams, Stafford is 4-8 with 12 TDs and 12 INTs. So, is Stafford considered a championship QB?
 
Earl34 said:
There is always a debate about who is or not a championship QB because you will never win a championship with them.

I saw a stat that since winning the Super Bowl with the Rams, Stafford is 4-8 with 12 TDs and 12 INTs. So, is Stafford considered a championship QB?
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He was that one year, other than that he hasn't accomplished squat. And Goff took that same team minus Von Miller to the super bowl
 
Earl34 said:
So, similar to a blind squirrel finding a nut. All it takes to be considered a championship QB is to have one good year of good fortune or getting hot at the right time?
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According to some I reckon. Not my definition
 
Earl34 said:
I saw a stat that since winning the Super Bowl with the Rams, Stafford is 4-8 with 12 TDs and 12 INTs. So, is Stafford considered a championship QB?
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Is McVeigh a championship coach? His "stats" aren't going to be too far off from Stafford's.

I've always liked Stafford & thought of him as a franchise QB. But like Rivers, he wasted his best years in an organization that just couldn't get out of its own way. & that's the way I refer to QBs who can win Championships, but haven't. Like Randall Cunningham. If someone is going to say, "you can't win a championship" with a guy like Rivers, Stafford, or Cunningham, I'm just going to have to agree to disagree.

I'm more inclined to think that those organizations weren't winning a championship regardless who their QB is. Like this team. Tom Brady could have came to Houston after the Hopkins trade & that team wasn't going to win a Super Bowl.
 
Lucky said:
That's really going down the rabbit hole. Fans (and bettors) will want to know just how sick the player is. What's his temperature? Is he eating solid food? There will still be ways to confuse the betting public if they don't know how sick the player is. I think how the NFL is currently handling the issue is appropriate. If the player is missing or limited in practice, put him on the report. Simple.
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It's certainly a grey zone. But in the case of "injuries" there is requirement to be listed, even if the player is not expected miss the upcoming game.

All players who have reportable injuries must be listed on the Practice Report, even if the player takes all the reps in practice, and even if the team is certain that he will play in the upcoming game.
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It is curious that the official NFL Injury Report Policy does not specofocally address "illness" at all...............yet "illness" is routinely listed on the Injury Report. Sounds like the NFL is making up their rules as they go.
 
Truly a sad situation for the young man..........especially contrasted to someone like Watson (and quite a few others).

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Matt Araiza still can’t get a second chance
By Mike Florio
Published September 29, 2023 10:17 AM

The Bills abruptly dumped punter Matt Araiza after he was sued for gang rape. He has since been exonerated, by the criminal authorities.

He still can’t get back in.

Some teams have privately indicated that Araiza’s phone will ring, if/when a need arises. But that’s clearly not universal. The Steelers, whose punter currently has a hamstring injury, dusted off Brad Wing as the emergency option. Not Araiza.

And, yes, he plays one of the most interchangeable positions in football. But he’s not the average punter. He has a very strong leg.

The fact that Wing got back in after six years shows that, eventually, Araiza likely will get another chance. The passage of time, the resolution of the still-pending civil lawsuit, and/or the defamation lawsuit Araiza has vowed to file against his accuser’s lawyer will help.

For now, the problem is that most teams don’t want punters or kickers who come with baggage, even if the baggage is embellished, exaggerated, or even outright fabricated.
 
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Truly a sad situation for the young man..........especially contrasted to someone like Watson (and quite a few others).

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Matt Araiza still can’t get a second chance
By Mike Florio
Published September 29, 2023 10:17 AM

The Bills abruptly dumped punter Matt Araiza after he was sued for gang rape. He has since been exonerated, by the criminal authorities.

He still can’t get back in.

Some teams have privately indicated that Araiza’s phone will ring, if/when a need arises. But that’s clearly not universal. The Steelers, whose punter currently has a hamstring injury, dusted off Brad Wing as the emergency option. Not Araiza.

And, yes, he plays one of the most interchangeable positions in football. But he’s not the average punter. He has a very strong leg.

The fact that Wing got back in after six years shows that, eventually, Araiza likely will get another chance. The passage of time, the resolution of the still-pending civil lawsuit, and/or the defamation lawsuit Araiza has vowed to file against his accuser’s lawyer will help.

For now, the problem is that most teams don’t want punters or kickers who come with baggage, even if the baggage is embellished, exaggerated, or even outright fabricated.
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At the end of the day, no one is going to take a potential PR hit for a punter. If he can catch on in the XFL, maybe he can work his way to the NFL again.
 
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Browns' Watson questionable with shoulder injury

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson is listed as questionable with a shoulder injury for Sunday's game against the Ravens.
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Watson suffered the injury to his right throwing shoulder while running the ball Sunday against the Tennessee Titans.
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I rewatched the play where the injury occurred. He used his right shoulder as a battering ram and got stopped like he hit a brick wall............real intelligent playing. SMH
 
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What would that mean?
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Rotator cuff contusions are not really all that predictable. Gentle ROM (not throwing) rather than total rest actually helps avoid shoulder freezing. But activities that cause further trauma or bleeding into the tissues should be avoided. Healing for an overhead athlete can be anywhere from several days to several weeks. The injury causes significant pain and stiffness. Ice, steroid injections and anti-inflammatories can be used to treat it. Too early return to throwing or another hit the shoulder is likely to cause further damage. As an aside, if the original or a secondary hit is hard enough, it can cause small tears in the cuff, and can prolong the healing even more. If Watson were smart (and that's an oxymoron), he won't be out there Sunday.
 
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Rotator cuff contusions are not really all that predictable. Gentle ROM (not throwing) rather than total rest actually helps avoid shoulder freezing. But activities that cause further trauma or bleeding into the tissues should be avoided. Healing for an overhead athlete can be anywhere from several days to several weeks. The injury causes significant pain and stiffness. Ice, steroid injections and anti-inflammatories can be used to treat it. Too early return to throwing or another hit the shoulder is likely to cause further damage. As an aside, if the original or a secondary hit is hard enough, it can cause small tears in the cuff, and can prolong the healing even more. If Watson were smart (and that's an oxymoron), he won't be out there Sunday.
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Sorta like Stroud? I cannot decide to hope DW plays or his unheard of backup.
 
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After watching him in preseason, to me, his "unknown"backup is probably scarier......not only because of his limit sample, but also because he IS "unknown."
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That's the way I am leaning also as you say we have known information about Watson. Texans have a history of making unheard of quarterbacks look great.
 
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