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Patrick Mahomes quickly realizes how different an NFL offense is
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“The words are pretty difficult but you get those down,” Mahomes said. “It’s about knowing what’s happening when you say the words. You can’t just say them and not know what’s going on. For me, it’s all about knowing what’s going on the entire play and knowing why coach is calling this play. . . . The biggest thing was just getting in that huddle, calling the play and knowing it. I’ve studied all of the installs that we did. . . . But whenever I got out there and called it, I had to look out, see the guys and make sure everyone was in the right position. That was the process which was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be.”
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Colts tell Andrew Luck not to be a double-digit interception guy
May 9, 2017, 5:44 PM EDT

Colts quarterback Andrew Luck has 68 interceptions in 70 games, an average of about one a game or 16 in a full season. And the Colts want him to cut down on those picks. Significantly.

Colts quarterbacks coach Brian Schottenheimer says he wants to see better decision making from Luck, which should cut his interceptions in half.

“We say this all the time, ‘Andrew should not be a double-digit interception guy.’ Like that’s the phrase that we use,” Schottenheimer said. “He’s just too good of a player. So again, if he can eliminate some of those decision-interceptions – I think there are five or six of them – those numbers drop significantly. You’re going to throw interceptions. It just happens. Normally they’re bad throws that cause those, but the decisions, if we can eliminate those, that’ll obviously help him drop down. That’s kind of the number we’ve been using. He should throw seven, eight, something like that. He had 13 [interceptions in 15 games] last year.”

Luck also fumbled six times last year, losing five of them. So turnovers were a significant problem, one that the Colts are addressing with their franchise quarterback.
 
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Colts tell Andrew Luck not to be a double-digit interception guy
May 9, 2017, 5:44 PM EDT

Colts quarterback Andrew Luck has 68 interceptions in 70 games, an average of about one a game or 16 in a full season. And the Colts want him to cut down on those picks. Significantly.

Colts quarterbacks coach Brian Schottenheimer says he wants to see better decision making from Luck, which should cut his interceptions in half.

“We say this all the time, ‘Andrew should not be a double-digit interception guy.’ Like that’s the phrase that we use,” Schottenheimer said. “He’s just too good of a player. So again, if he can eliminate some of those decision-interceptions – I think there are five or six of them – those numbers drop significantly. You’re going to throw interceptions. It just happens. Normally they’re bad throws that cause those, but the decisions, if we can eliminate those, that’ll obviously help him drop down. That’s kind of the number we’ve been using. He should throw seven, eight, something like that. He had 13 [interceptions in 15 games] last year.”

Luck also fumbled six times last year, losing five of them. So turnovers were a significant problem, one that the Colts are addressing with their franchise quarterback.
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Don't you listen to them Andrew. You keep slinging that ball all over the yard and throw all the INTs you damn well please
especially against the Texans.
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The Browns 4th round pick Howard Wilson (DB from Houston) suffered a patellar (knee cap) fracture in his first rookie minicamp practice..............a non contact fracture.
 
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It's terrrible for the young man. But what makes it worse is that in 2015, he tore his ACL............comes back in 2016..............then he fractures his patella less than 24 hours after signing his rookie contract.
 
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It's terrrible for the young man. But what makes it worse is that in 2015, he tore his ACL............comes back in 2016..............then he fractures his patella less than 24 hours after signing his rookie contract.
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damn...
how does that happen in a non-contact drill?
 
ObsiWan said:
damn...
how does that happen in a non-contact drill?
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(oops, you were being more specific than I realized)

Heart-breakingly enough according to CND's offseason posts it happens quite frequently. It truly sucks for these kids who have worked so hard for this opportunity only to have it taken away at seemingly the whim of fate. Just doesn't seem fair.
 
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how does that happen in a non-contact drill?
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That will occur when the quad suddenly and strongly contracts, especially while the hamstring contracts in opposing force fashion................or the strong quad contraction occurs while the foot is planted and therefore the lower leg cannot extend in normal response to the quad contraction.
 
Brandon Albert still has not spoken to Jags coaches since being traded. The longer he holds out the better for Texans fans. He's an older OT and his body is starting to break down. That and a new system wont be kind to him. Texans should still spend plenty of time in the Jags' backfield this season!
 
If I was the owner or Gm of this team, I'm sure I would check out these forums every now and then. And it would be hard for me not to reach out to cloaknnndagger and hire him as a medical consultant


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Doug Marrone on Blake Bortles: 'He’s improved'
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John Oehser Senior writer jaguars.com

HC Doug Marrone discussed QB Blake Bortles and LT Branden Albert Saturday during his media availability at 2017 rookie minicamp. Of Bortles, Marrone said, 'He has improved – no doubt about it'


JACKSONVILLE – The focus is on the rookies, but there was other Jaguars news Saturday, too.

That news primarily focused on two names – Blake Bortles and Branden Albert – and Head Coach Doug Marrone said he has seen much to like in recent weeks from the name perhaps of most concern to Jaguars followers.

That’s Bortles.

“He’s improved – there’s no doubt about it,” Marrone said Saturday during the second day of the team’s 2017 rookie minicamp at EverBank Field.

Bortles, the Jaguars’ fourth-year quarterback, isn’t participating in this weekend’s minicamp. The three-day event is for rookies and first-year players, with all seven selections in the recent 2017 NFL Draft participating along with 16 undrafted free agents and nearly 40 tryout players.

Still, Bortles remains the team’s top storyline. He worked early this offseason to improve mechanics and fundamentals with which he struggled at times last season, spending time in California working with quarterback gurus Tom House and Adam Dedeaux.

Marrone on Saturday said Bortles has looked better fundamentally during the early on-field portion of the team team’s voluntary offseason program.

“There are certain things, as far as his elbow and his arm, that are much improved,” Marrone said. “I think there are still other things we’re still working on as well as everyone else at this stage.”


Marrone said the plan is for Bortles to increase the number of throws in the offseason compared to past offseasons with Bortles likely throwing between 980 and 1,025 passes during that time.


“If we’re throwing 100 footballs to 150 – if we throw 150 he’ll be better,” Marrone said. “If we throw 200 he’ll be better – 250, he’ll be better. What we’re doing now is trying to build him up and build the arm strength and all the other things along with all of our quarterbacks to get there.


“The more he throws the better he’ll be.”
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Early last season, Bortles suffered a A/C separation in his throwing arm. He was not properly rehabbed and 1 month later extended that injury. He ended up dealing with that injury most of the season. Although not widely publicized, he also dealt with wrist tendonitis of his throwing hand most of last season. Seeing that wrist tendonitis is an overuse injury that is notoriously recurrent, the Jaguars' "The more he throws the better he'll be" approach of significantly upping the number of his reps in this preseason would seem to be misguided.
 
Eagles waived/injured UDFA QB Jerod Evans after rookie minicamp. I know a lot of people liked him as a mid round developmental prospect. Wonder what the injury is that caused him to go not only undrafted but get cut his first rookie minicamp?
 
“Open” competition at the quarterback position in Cleveland
May 14, 2017, 9:34 AM EDT

The Browns currently have four quarterbacks under contract. For now, any of them could end up being the Week One starter.

“This thing is open,” coach Hue Jackson told reporters on Saturday at the team’s rookie minicamp regarding the quarterback competition. It really is.”

For now, second-year third-rounder Cody Kessler will sit atop the depth chart.

“They will all get reps,” Jackson said. “Obviously, Cody will start this out. He deserves the opportunity to. Brock [Osweiler] is here and Kevin [Hogan] is, too, but [rookie DeShone Kizer] is going to get reps. The only way to get better is to get reps. I will find a way. I have been through this before a few times. We will get these guys reps, and he has to get some because I have to continue to evaluate him.”

By “reps,” Jackson presumably means “first-team reps.” For a true competition to occur, the candidates need to be getting chances to run the starting offense.

Jackson said that Osweiler, an afterthought in the trade that brought the quarterback and a second-round pick from Houston, will get a chance to compete, but that he won’t necessarily be No. 2 from the get-go behind Kessler.

“Brock is learning our system and learning the things that we do at the position,” Jackson said. “I think the other guys have done it. They have been through the process with me and understand how to play. That doesn’t mean that he can’t have an opportunity to exceed or succeed anybody.”

For now, though, it’s Kessler’s job to lose.

“They have to take it from him,” Jackson said. “They better take it from him because I know him — he is not going to give it up. It will be fun. That is what competition is all about. Until someone takes something from someone and shows that they can do it at a high level play in and play out, then we have to keep going in the direction where we’re traveling.”

It feels like it’s traveling toward Kizer (pictured) eventually taking snaps in games, whether it happens in Week One or Week 17 or somewhere in between.

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And this is why the Browns will remain the Browns.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Eagles waived/injured UDFA QB Jerod Evans after rookie minicamp. I know a lot of people liked him as a mid round developmental prospect. Wonder what the injury is that caused him to go not only undrafted but get cut his first rookie minicamp?
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Although he suffered an ACL tear at the very beginning of his short 1st year stint at Air Force, the main problem is that he had 2 junior college years after that, and only one year starting experience at V tech. With that background, teams were very skittish to take him on as a dual-threat QB with a history of too many WTF type of plays................with a head-scratching decision, with such little overall experience (with only 1 year of anything close to decent competition), to come out early. Now he shows up at Eagles minicamp................right off the bat, injures his foot while running (great injury for a QB despite decent passing numbers, not known for his pocket presence, but for his mobility [ 1/3 of his plays at VT were QB runs]). Nonetheless, following the injury, he was waive/injured, then picked up again after he cleared waivers.....and now has been placed on IR.
 
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The Seahawks being desperate for a backup QB after their present backup Trevone Boykin was arrested (drug and alcohol related) twice within 11 days in March (with already having been arrested in early 2016 for getting into a bar fight with a police officer) is showing significant interest in Kaepernick.
 
Arizona's 2014 1st round pick LB Deone Bucannon had ankle surgery today. They are saying that they are hopeful that he will be back for week 1. That seems unrealistic in that he will be non weight-bearing for 6-8 weeks, and will likely not be able to return to play after such a surgery until ~ 6 months if all goes perfectly.
 
Report: Derek Carr getting antsy about pace of contract talks
Posted by Darin Gantt on May 17, 2017, 5:52 AM EDT

The last we heard from the Raiders, they said they wanted to get started on a contract extension for quarterback Derek Carr shortly after the draft.

They’re apparently not moving quickly enough for Carr’s liking.

According to Michael Silver of the NFL Network, Carr “has grown frustrated with the slow pace” of discussions since he wants to get a deal done before the start of training camp. He also reports there has been “no significant communication” between the team and the agents so far.

Carr’s heading into the final year of his rookie deal, and considering he’s been open about wanting to be a “Raider for life,” they ought to be as friendly as a deal containing such large numbers can be.

But his performance and simple inflation could push him past Colts quarterback Andrew Luck’s $25.594 million per year average, which complicates things. There’s some urgency at play as well, because as a second-round pick, there’s no convenient fifth-year option for the team to pick up. Their options are pay now or be prepared to use the franchise tag in 2018, or else get started on a negotiation and handle things now.

The Raiders have thrown Marshawn Lynch up as a human shield to pacify Oakland fans about their upcoming move to Las Vegas, but they can’t afford problems with their franchise quarterback, who has made them relevant again on their way out the door.
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Michael Floyd’s remaining DUI sentence transferred to Minnesota
May 17, 2017, 9:04 PM EDT

As Vikings receiver Michael Floyd serves out a sentence of house arrest, he has gotten a sliver of good news. Via multiple reports, the sentence has been transferred from Arizona to Minnesota.

The move means that Floyd will be able to report for offseason workouts, which will assist with his transition to his new team and preparation for the upcoming season.

Floyd is still waiting to learn his fate from the league office. He’s facing a suspension of a least two games under the NFL’s substance-abuse policy.

Cut by the Cardinals following the arrest, Floyd finished the season with the Patriots. He became a free agent in March, and the Vikings signed him last week.
 
Ahman Green taking a step to begin a broadcasting career post retirement. He attended the NFL broadcast boot camp at NFL Films in Mt. Laurel, N.J.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm telling you... somebody hacked Doc's account.
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It wasn't me.......it was ME!

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Calvin Johnson: “Of course” I had concussions I hid from the doctors
May 21, 2017, 6:17 PM EDT

Calvin Johnson was a quiet guy during his playing career, but he has plenty to say in retirement.

Johnson, the former Lions receiver who said yesterday that he didn’t like how the team treated him when he retired, also had some interesting things to say about concussions.

Asked if he ever concealed a concussion from team doctors, Johnson answered, “Of course.”

“They’re going to dispute that, but anytime you black out, anytime you hit the ground and everything is stars and stuff, any time your brain hits your skull, that’s a concussion,” Johnson said, via the Detroit Free Press. “No matter how severe it is, it’s a concussion. Now granted, some people get nausea. That’s a severe concussion when you get hit like that and you get nausea and stuff like that. But if you play football long enough [you’re going to have concussions].”

Tom Brady’s wife said last week that he had a concussion last season, which the NFL says was never diagnosed. Johnson said players frequently don’t get diagnosed by team doctors because they don’t want to miss any playing time.

“Guys get concussions, they don’t tell the coaches,” Johnson said. “It happens. I don’t tell the coach sometimes cause I know I got a job to do. The team needs me out there on the field. And sometimes you allow that to jeopardize yourself, but that’s just the nature of the world.”


As the NFL has mandated removing players from games when they suffer concussions, an unintended consequence is that players who don’t want to leave a game won’t seek medical help if they feel concussion symptoms. Johnson knows that first hand.

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I'm sure that this is much more prevalent in high school and college football where mechanisms for recognizing in-game concussions are not sophisticated, players tend to be less apt to understand/accept the dangers of ignoring this event (the young, dumb and indestructible syndrome) and lack of interest for coaches to remove players from a game. In college, the administration's pressure on coaches to win furthers the problem that much more at that level.
 
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Eighth surgeery for retinal detachment.

Mike Zimmer will miss some OTAs after eighth eye surgery

Although surgery for re-attachment has a very high (80-85%) success rate, and a high percentage of visual acuity preserved, even in multiple surgeries, you can be sure that after 8 such surgeries, Zimmer will have lost significant vision in that eye.

I came across a question directed to Dr. Chaos who actually somewhat minimizes implications of Zimmer's situation.


David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc

Very. Difficult problem. Only vision in one eye threatened. With loss of depth perception, film study ok but could mean coaching from box.
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Jayson Brown@brownjayson

How concerned should Vikings fans be about Zimmer's future after his 8th eye surgery?
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The truth is that with a situation as Zimmer's, there is ~50% chance that there is significant pathology in his other eye (~15%
retinal detachments in 15% of these patients and ~1/3 having either a retinal tear or significant retinal degeneration). This does not even address the fact that he is very high risk to detach again until ultimately functional vision is lost. Furthermore, I have to wonder if Zimmer is diabetic, in that this is not an uncommon association.
 
Whatever you may have thought of Manning, you cannot deny this exemplary gesture of class.

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That time Peyton Manning sent an apology letter to a referee and wouldn’t let it go
Former Denver Broncos QB was sorry for saying “something off-color” to referee Butch Hannah during game vs. Miami


By Mike Chambers | mchambers@denverpost.com | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: May 22, 2017 at 10:19 am | UPDATED: May 22, 2017 at 9:28 pm


In his 18 years as an NFL referee, Butch Hannah worked 14 playoff games and was an alternate for two Super Bowls — the ones Peyton Manning was victorious with the Indianapolis Colts (XLI, 2007) and Denver Broncos (50, 2016), respectively.


Hannah, 66, who retired after last season, is proud to have worked with Manning and recently shared his stories about the future Hall of Famer with columnist Mark Wiedmer of the Times Free Press in Chattanooga, Tenn.


“Peyton’s next-to-last year, the Broncos were facing the Dolphins in Denver and the whole game was a struggle for them,” Hannah told Wiedmer. “I called back two Denver touchdowns. But they pulled it out by two or three points (39-36). But late in the game, the clock about to run out, Peyton mistimed a snap and they had to run one more play.”


That’s when Manning uncharacteristically said “something off-color” to Hannah.


“I told him, ‘Peyton, you’re better than that,'” Hannah told the Times Free Press.


A few weeks later, Weidmer wrote, a package arrived at Hannah’s home, forwarded from the NFL’s offices in New York City. The package contained a letter from Manning.

“He said he wanted to apologize for his reaction to me that day against the Dolphins,” Hannah told the newspaper. “Would I please accept his apology? That’s the only time that’s happened to me in all my years of officiating.”


Months later, Hannah was working a preseason game in Seattle, with the Broncos playing the Seahawks. Manning put his arm around Hannah’s shoulder, according to the Times Free Press.


“He asks me, ‘Did you get my card?’ I said, ‘Peyton, you’ve got to let this go.’ He says, ‘You have no idea how upset I was with myself.’


“That’s the kind of son Archie and Olivia raised. Pretty impressive.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Whatever you may have thought of Manning, you cannot deny this exemplary gesture of class.

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That time Peyton Manning sent an apology letter to a referee and wouldn’t let it go
Former Denver Broncos QB was sorry for saying “something off-color” to referee Butch Hannah during game vs. Miami


By Mike Chambers | mchambers@denverpost.com | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: May 22, 2017 at 10:19 am | UPDATED: May 22, 2017 at 9:28 pm


In his 18 years as an NFL referee, Butch Hannah worked 14 playoff games and was an alternate for two Super Bowls — the ones Peyton Manning was victorious with the Indianapolis Colts (XLI, 2007) and Denver Broncos (50, 2016), respectively.


Hannah, 66, who retired after last season, is proud to have worked with Manning and recently shared his stories about the future Hall of Famer with columnist Mark Wiedmer of the Times Free Press in Chattanooga, Tenn.


“Peyton’s next-to-last year, the Broncos were facing the Dolphins in Denver and the whole game was a struggle for them,” Hannah told Wiedmer. “I called back two Denver touchdowns. But they pulled it out by two or three points (39-36). But late in the game, the clock about to run out, Peyton mistimed a snap and they had to run one more play.”


That’s when Manning uncharacteristically said “something off-color” to Hannah.


“I told him, ‘Peyton, you’re better than that,'” Hannah told the Times Free Press.


A few weeks later, Weidmer wrote, a package arrived at Hannah’s home, forwarded from the NFL’s offices in New York City. The package contained a letter from Manning.

“He said he wanted to apologize for his reaction to me that day against the Dolphins,” Hannah told the newspaper. “Would I please accept his apology? That’s the only time that’s happened to me in all my years of officiating.”


Months later, Hannah was working a preseason game in Seattle, with the Broncos playing the Seahawks. Manning put his arm around Hannah’s shoulder, according to the Times Free Press.


“He asks me, ‘Did you get my card?’ I said, ‘Peyton, you’ve got to let this go.’ He says, ‘You have no idea how upset I was with myself.’


“That’s the kind of son Archie and Olivia raised. Pretty impressive.”
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The world would be a better place if we had more Peyton Mannings.
 
Overtime this coming season will be decreased from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. Last season, there were only 2 tie scores. Wonder how this changes this season..........and how it changes strategy. We may see more teams preferentially going for that FG on their 1st possession, and you may see successful running teams scoring and grinding out prolonged running plays to run down the clock. Ten minutes is a long time, but it's much shorter that 15 minutes, leaving much less time for teams to work their magic in or have their defeat sealed.
 
NFL celebrations are now allowed with some limitations. Players will still be allowed to dunk their donuts........but not their footballs.
 
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Overtime this coming season will be decreased from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. Last season, there were only 2 tie scores. Wonder how this changes this season..........and how it changes strategy. We may see more teams preferentially going for that FG on their 1st possession, and you may see successful running teams scoring and grinding out prolonged running plays to run down the clock. Ten minutes is a long time, but it's much shorter that 15 minutes, leaving much less time for teams to work their magic in or have their defeat sealed.
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This is one of those 'for appearances sake' moves. Like you said last season this would have shortened all of two games (possibly a couple more that were won/lost in the last five minutes of OT).
Before I forget, anyone get a concussion in those OT games?
Big whoop.

Hey Roger, you want to improve player safety? Eliminate Thursday games. Can't be healthy to play Sunday then turn around and have to play Thursday of the same week.
 
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Overtime this coming season will be decreased from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. Last season, there were only 2 tie scores. Wonder how this changes this season..........and how it changes strategy. We may see more teams preferentially going for that FG on their 1st possession, and you may see successful running teams scoring and grinding out prolonged running plays to run down the clock. Ten minutes is a long time, but it's much shorter that 15 minutes, leaving much less time for teams to work their magic in or have their defeat sealed.
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They already increased the chances for these games to go longer when they incorporated the both teams get the ball rule. Now they don't want them to go too long? Make up your damn minds already.
 
I never liked the NFL overtime rules because come playoff time it won't really matter. Somebody has to win. Ties in the regular season are silly and decreasing the overtime to 10 minutes will likely result in even more ties.

And I don't know if playing on Thursday Night is any more dangerous than having three extra days to prepare. I think it's fine, as is, ObsiWan. I actually enjoy Thursday Night Football and I watch every game even if it's two bad teams playing. I'd prefer marquee matchups though.

Player safety can only go so far. It's a violent sport. You and I both know it.
The players have a choice to play football and make a lot of money.
Or they can decide to do something else. They are modern day gladiators out there.

Of course, I'm talking about the NFL here. I totally agree with as much safety as you can get if it's youth football, junior high, high school and even college.

But the NFL is a different animal entirely. Severe injuries with life-long effects are almost guaranteed. You see guys on TV, former NFL Players like Anthony Muniz and Booger McFarland, with fingers that are two inches pulled off the hand. That's just what they did by playing good hard football for many years. Future concussions that cause memory loss even after you retire and severe depression which may lead to suicide stemming from brain disease (Junior Seau), whatever the case may be, that should be accepted as a common thing. That's the life those men chose to live. They put their body at harm playing a game they loved dearly. Either that or they enjoyed the millions they made for their families.

If I had a chance to play in the NFL right now and make a million dollars a season (just being a so-so player), not even a superstar making double-digit millions per year with incredible signing bonuses (some guys making over $100 million), I'd play it even if I knew I could die on the field. You can't play the game with fear of getting hurt.

I actually think the NFL needs to protect the quarterbacks less...
Allow defenses to play hard without worrying about ticky-tack calls.
I've seen J.J. Watt get called for roughing the passer *and punter* on great plays...

I'm not a big fan of Donald Trump but when he tried to buy the Buffalo Bills one time, he called the NFL soft and was passionately against all the extra "safety rules" being implemented. He later said he was glad he didn't purchase the Buffalo Bills because he didn't like the direction the "flag football league" as he called it, was going in.
 
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