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NFL Draft 2010: Day 2

On a side note I thought I'd hate this draft format but I'm liking it. You have teams really locked in last night to one round and they made moves. Youa re then giving teams time to either a) make more moves that are positive or b) panic and make moves based on what happened the day before. So you can see who is a player out there.

As for the moving down stuff. It is all good in theory but sometimes you outsmart yourself and when a run happens you are on the outside looking in. The Cowboys for example. Jimmy used to work the trade down and get picks and it worked. Jerry tried it on his own and failed. 2 years ago they stayed put and got studs in Felix Jones and Jenkins at the bottom of the 1st. Last year they had 12 picks, tried to get picky and got maybe 3 guys out of 12 that weren't special teamers. This year, with a more talented team, they moved up and got best player instead of getting tricky. I like when teams stay put or move up a couple of spots to grab a guy who has been shown to produce instead of hoping someone is there later. As for the Texans last night. It was tricky. They need CB and targeted Kareem, according to them. But it almost sounds like they locked in once Matthews was gone and felt they HAD to get him. Just a feeling. I do like guys at big time programs, though Boise probably face better passing QBs.
 
HoustonFrog said:
On a side note I thought I'd hate this draft format but I'm liking it. You have teams really locked in last night to one round and they made moves. Youa re then giving teams time to either a) make more moves that are positive or b) panic and make moves based on what happened the day before. So you can see who is a player out there.

As for the moving down stuff. It is all good in theory but sometimes you outsmart yourself and when a run happens you are on the outside looking in. The Cowboys for example. Jimmy used to work the trade down and get picks and it worked. Jerry tried it on his own and failed. 2 years ago they stayed put and got studs in Felix Jones and Jenkins at the bottom of the 1st. Last year they had 12 picks, tried to get picky and got maybe 3 guys out of 12 that weren't special teamers. This year, with a more talented team, they moved up and got best player instead of getting tricky. I like when teams stay put or move up a couple of spots to grab a guy who has been shown to produce instead of hoping someone is there later. As for the Texans last night. It was tricky. They need CB and targeted Kareem, according to them. But it almost sounds like they locked in once Matthews was gone and felt they HAD to get him. Just a feeling. I do like guys at big time programs, though Boise probably face better passing QBs.
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I like the format as well. Lets you soak on all 32 teams first round picks, rather than focusing on your teams top 3 picks. I guess it just allows you to digest it and process it in smaller pieces giving you a better understanding of the players.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Staying idle in the later rounds made more sense than the 1st round entering into the draft. I hope we stand pat, lot of players out there.
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Agreed. I think we can fill either RB or safety with no issues here. Still 3 good safety prospects in Mays, Burnett and Allen. At RB we have Dwyer and Tate, and DT we have Houston and Price. Although I am not really high on Price like others.

there are a ton of good offensive linemen left as well. From guard and tackle that would be solid additions to our line.
 
I was really pleased at the speed of the draft this year. Even with all the trades, it went quick.
 
Gooselin's Top 100 (with the first 32 marked off)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...tories/042110dnsponfldrafttop100.3f50970.html

13. Jimmy Clausen QB
30. Rodger Saffold OT
32. Sergio Kindle OLB
33. Taylor Mays S
34. Rob Gronkowski TE
36. Brian Price DT
38. Sean Lee MLB
39. Nate Allen S
40. Koa Misi DE
41. Golden Tate WR
42. Daryl Washington OLB
43. Chris Cook CB
44. Charles Brown OT
45. Everson Griffen DE
46. Terrence Cody NT
47. Damian Williams WR
48. Tony Moeaki TE
49. Ben Tate HB
50. Navorro Bowman OLB
51. Regus Benn WR
52. Colt McCoy QB
53. Aaron Hernandez TE
54. Jonathan Asamoah G
55. Dexter McCluster WR
56. Linval Joseph NT
57. Dominique Franks CB
58. Corey Wootton DE
59. Dennis Pitta TE
60. Bruce Campbell OT
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Kaiser Toro said:
Staying idle in the later rounds made more sense than the 1st round entering into the draft. I hope we stand pat, lot of players out there.
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Agree 100%. There's a plethora amount of talent left on the boards and no reason to trade up.

That said, if the Texans don't think he'd last to their 3rd, I think we should grab Tate in the 2nd. But, with all the talent still on the board I reckon we'll have several to choose from. Tough decision for the Texans
 
TheRealJoker said:
That's one trick we sure could've used last season at the one yard line on a couple occasions...
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I agree, but that one trick isn't worth a 2nd

Toby would be a great back 10 years ago, but the NFL has moved on from that kind of player.

McCluster, McKnight, and Hardsey (forgot how you spell) can all catch the ball, return kicks, and play in space.

If you want a guy that just falls over for two yards on the goal line, you can get that in the 5th with Blount or the 7th with Stefan Johnson
 
Taylor Mays is a guy I'm not very high on but would be intruiging if he "slips" to #51, even I'll admit that. Nate Allen appears to be more of a true FS and would be the better selection, IMO.

The RB's are hard for me to wrap my head around from a value standpoint. Are they 2nd rounders or 3rd rounders? I like Tate and Hardesty the best. Then probably Dwyer... I like Gerhart in the 3rd but not 2nd. I don't dislike him, I just reiterate what others have said. Inside power runner. Definitely would help us, no doubt about it, I just like the other "flashier" runningbacks better.

I think there's too big of a NEED at runningback to pass on one in the 2nd. Kubiak will have "his guy(s)". With us internet guys we make blanket statement like Kyle Wilson, McCourty or Kareem Jackson will all do. For Kubiak/Smith, it won't. "Their guy" for this team was Jackson and they wouldn't risk trading down (assumption). I don't think they'll just be happy with any 1 of 5 RB's.... so I think they grab their guy in the 2nd. My guess is Tate/Hardesty.

I really like Jon Asamoah though. I would love to take him in the 2nd and score "our" RB in the 3rd but I think its too much of a risk. Select Tate/Hardesty in the 2nd and grab Mike Johnson in the 3rd, then a DT in the 4th? That's what I'm going with...
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Taylor Mays is a guy I'm not very high on but would be intruiging if he "slips" to #51, even I'll admit that. Nate Allen appears to be more of a true FS and would be the better selection, IMO.

The RB's are hard for me to wrap my head around from a value standpoint. Are they 2nd rounders or 3rd rounders? I like Tate and Hardesty the best. Then probably Dwyer... I like Gerhart in the 3rd but not 2nd. I don't dislike him, I just reiterate what others have said. Inside power runner. Definitely would help us, no doubt about it, I just like the other "flashier" runningbacks better.

I think there's too big of a NEED at runningback to pass on one in the 2nd. Kubiak will have "his guy(s)". With us internet guys we make blanket statement like Kyle Wilson, McCourty or Kareem Jackson will all do. For Kubiak/Smith, it won't. "Their guy" for this team was Jackson and they wouldn't risk trading down (assumption). I don't think they'll just be happy with any 1 of 5 RB's.... so I think they grab their guy in the 2nd. My guess is Tate/Hardesty.

I really like Jon Asamoah though. I would love to take him in the 2nd and score "our" RB in the 3rd but I think its too much of a risk. Select Tate/Hardesty in the 2nd and grab Mike Johnson in the 3rd, then a DT in the 4th? That's what I'm going with...
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They have a strict guideline as to what they want in a RB . Last year it was Coffee , this year it seems to have been Matthews . I'm not sure the criteria they use but it's not plug and play .
 
I hate to say this, but for some reason I'm getting really bad vibes about our RB situation today. I'm having visions of every RB the Texans target is taken ahead of them and we don't get a RB today.

Please, oh football gods, be mercyfull prove me wrong on this!!!!
 
Jackie Chiles said:
I think it could be Hardesty, similar type of player to Coffee last year. I would love to see us go safety though.
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I'm not sure what drill or time ( 10 yd , 20 yd ) that they use to determine who's a fit . The site that I got my numbers from want you to join because it's draft time .

After further research , if it's anything it's a quick 10 yard split . That and what's on film seem to be what they look at .

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/history/combine/position/RB
 
Who is going to pay the price to move up to pick #33? And who are they targeting?

The Rams are waiting.
 
Using Gooslins top 100, this is how I'd rank them.

39. Nate Allen S True FS
60. Bruce Campbell OT I'd expect OAK to take him, but imagine him anchoring our right side. You don't think he would help the run game?
33. Taylor Mays S He's a value pick here. Still not a bif fan, but I don't know how we could pass him.
53. Aaron Hernandez TE I don't even care. This kid is a STUD. BPA type thing. I like him a lot.
54. Jonathan Asamoah G I think he fits what we've run previously. I'd prefer to have more beef, but he's a talent either way.
49. Ben Tate HB I like him. Good program.
50. Navorro Bowman OLB Not a need, and character issues but a top talent from a great program.
51. Regus Benn WR It's a shame he had to play under Zook for so long. Such talent. Such size.
46. Terrence Cody NT Inside out
 
I would like for Toby "Too white to succeed as a HB" Gerhart to become a Houston Texan today. He can learn how to exact revenge on naysayers from players such as Mario "ZOMG!!! U DIDN"T TAKE REGGIE BUSH!!!LOLZLA!" Williams, DeMeco "Too Small to play LB" Ryans, and Brian "Not as good as Curry" Cushing.
 
Is anyone else confused by all the threads that are popping up? IDK where to post draft thoughts!

I would like to see us target Toby Gerhart, been a while since there was a white running-back in the NFL, maybe Gerhart can change that.
 
Texan4Ever said:
Is anyone else confused by all the threads that are popping up? IDK where to post draft thoughts!

I would like to see us target Toby Gerhart, been a while since there was a white running-back in the NFL, maybe Gerhart can change that.
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Draft day is to posting what New Year's is to partying .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Draft day is to posting what New Year's is to partying .
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Yes it is, and I'm already burnt out on all the analysis and talking heads on TV. I may not even have my TV on tonight, but just be playing a game of CIV IV or something and switching back here to check on things.
 
I am looking for 2 names here. Toby. Gerhart.

There are a couple other picks I would not mind. Allen would be a good pick. Mays at 41 would be hard to pass up. And I think OL should be addressed soon.
 
Ok, these are the guys I'd like to see us draft in the second in order of preference.

Lamarr Houston
Jon Asamoah
Toby Gerhart
Taylor Mays
Nate Allen
Brian Price
Montario Hardesty
Jonathan Dwyer
Ben Tate
Arthur Jones
 
Can anyone post the 2nd round draft order? This is my list as far as players I want:

Nate Allen
Ben Tate
Toby Gerhart
Taylor Mays
Reshad Jones
Lamarr Houston
Brian Price
Javier Arenas
Chris Cook
David Pender
 
if he only played at 50%, it is still more than we get from Cody or Okoye

He was the defense player of the year 2 years ago
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
They have a strict guideline as to what they want in a RB . Last year it was Coffee , this year it seems to have been Matthews . I'm not sure the criteria they use but it's not plug and play .
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Yea that's what I'm thinking as well. Us fans are generally like "grab the best available of a,b,c,x,y,z.... when in reality they only covet players x,y,z and think only x and y are worthy of a 2nd rd pick. So in essence while there are "6 RBs" left... we only like 2 a lot and the chances of those exact two lasting an extra 32 picks is slim to none.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
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I really like Jon Asamoah though. I would love to take him in the 2nd and score "our" RB in the 3rd but I think its too much of a risk. QUOTE]

That's what I was hoping for... I'm not as high on drafting a RB in the 2nd, but it looks like that's where we're going. Then again, I wasn't expecting Kareem Jackson, either.
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Ole Miss Texan said:
Yea that's what I'm thinking as well. Us fans are generally like "grab the best available of a,b,c,x,y,z.... when in reality they only covet players x,y,z and think only x and y are worthy of a 2nd rd pick. So in essence while there are "6 RBs" left... we only like 2 a lot and the chances of those exact two lasting an extra 32 picks is slim to none.
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I think Tate would be next on their list but you never know . I think if they view him as a 3rd rounder , they won't draft him in the 2nd . They could have their eye on a guy that the league views as a 5th and they pick him in the 4th .

My sleeper pick is Deji Karim ... why ... he ran a 1.45 in the first 10 yards with a 42" verical . He's 5'8 and 209 lbs , so he's not exactly small .

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1693207?tag=pageRow;pageContainer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMpFoHv6kQM
 
For those, like me, who were wondering why Kindle fell so far. Wow, sucks for him. I thought he was going to be a beast in a 3-4. Still could, but dadgum


Appearing on ESPN 101 St. Louis Friday morning, Adam Schefter confirmed that Sergio Kindle fell out of round one due to medical concerns.

"Definite medical issues," Schefter reported. "I've spoken to some teams that have him off their board (entirely)." The latest rumors have Kindle possibly needing microfracture knee surgery, which would knock him out for his entire rookie year. At this point, we'd be surprised if he's drafted in round two.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL&line=171938
 
I'm betting we come out of round 2 with a RB. If Tate is there we take him, if not we reach for Gerhart. Smithiak will reach for the player they want, they have shown that a few times.
 
TexCanada said:
I'm betting we come out of round 2 with a RB. If Tate is there we take him, if not we reach for Gerhart. Smithiak will reach for the player they want, they have shown that a few times.
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I think on many boards Gerhart is rated higher than Tate.

I think Tate is more popular on this board than he is in the general football loving populace.

Gerhart is on average the 84th best player on draft boards, Tate is 88th. (according to the hard work put in on the draft spreadsheet in the Draft Forum)

LINK
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I think on many boards Gerhart is rated higher than Tate.

I think Tate is more popular on this board than he is in the general football loving populace.

Gerhart is on average the 84th best player on draft boards, Tate is 88th. (according to the hard work put in on the draft spreadsheet in the Draft Forum)

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You can throw those out the window. By 99% of the draft boards out there Kyle Wilson was rated higher than McCourty and Jackson. We all know the story there.

Tate fits the ZBS better than Gerhart, one reason so many on here like him. Draft Boards on the web are so general they're almost useless. It's gotta be relative to a certain team to make any sense.
 
If your going to say every board is relative to each team or front office you can really never say anyone is a reach.

Alualu may have been the 10th best player on the Jags board and everyone else was gone so that wasn't a reach, for all we know he could of been the #1 guy they were targeting.

So lets not say reach for Gerhart or Tate or Hardesty or whomever.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
If your going to say every board is relative to each team or front office you can really never say anyone is a reach.

Alualu may have been the 10th best player on the Jags board and everyone else was gone so that wasn't a reach, for all we know he could of been the #1 guy they were targeting.

So lets not say reach for Gerhart or Tate or Hardesty or whomever.
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Point taken. I still think we will take on of those backs with our pick.
 
Tate would be my initial selection.

If he's not there I'd consider Burnett, Allen, Houston, or Aso.

There's a chance Mays falls to us. Lots of concerns in coverage, but his athleticism makes him intriguing along with not having to pay first round money for him.
 
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