xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Just curious what people think.
Im not specifying season or career. Just guys you don't think were that good and won.
Im not specifying season or career. Just guys you don't think were that good and won.
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Name your top 7 worst QB's to ever win a Super Bowl.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm still floored by 3 comp. on 9 att., 1 TD, 2 INTs in a winning effort.
I think you have to define game, season or career to answer.
Big Ben had one of the ugliest games ever 9 comp. on 21 att., 0 TDs 2 INTs but on his career wouldn't sniff the list.
I think you have to define game, season or career to answer.
Big Ben had one of the ugliest games ever 9 comp. on 21 att., 0 TDs 2 INTs but on his career wouldn't sniff the list.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I guess you could go with career, but some guys are overall good and had bad games and won like Ben.
Others had mediocre careers and big time play offs and won.
I'm just trying to get a general sense of the worst caliber of qb we can win a Super Bowl with.
Basically guys you didn't think we're that good and win Super Bowls.
Season might be more appropriate. Play off performance too.
Basically list it how you want to.
Just curious.
Others had mediocre careers and big time play offs and won.
I'm just trying to get a general sense of the worst caliber of qb we can win a Super Bowl with.
Basically guys you didn't think we're that good and win Super Bowls.
Season might be more appropriate. Play off performance too.
Basically list it how you want to.
Just curious.
TheDrifter
Rookie
I think comparing 49 years of Super Bowls to our own situation is difficult, because of how the game has changed.
So to answer your real question, the floor is Flacco/Eli. Maybe Brad Johnson with a truly dominate defense and run game.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
It's just for discussion purposes. Not everyone will agree. Personally I can take a qb in that era for what they were. Numbers might not be the same and game has changed, but bad qb's are bad qb's in their era.
I was more interested in the history because I didntvreally start watching football until after the oilers lost to the bills that one time everyone wants to forget about.
I'll be thirty this year. Texans are really the only pro football team I've ever followed closely.
I'm curious about bad or mediocre qb's to have won it all. Just wanted to hear different opinions if anyone has some names.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Dilfer has to be the poster boy.
Brad Johnson although he had his best season by far.
People argue Eli and Flacco on career but they got theirs by playing elite post season.
Some call Wilson a game manager albeit an elite one.
Mark Rypien although again he had by far his best season.
Doug Williams and his aberrant partial season.
Jim McMahon
Brad Johnson although he had his best season by far.
People argue Eli and Flacco on career but they got theirs by playing elite post season.
Some call Wilson a game manager albeit an elite one.
Mark Rypien although again he had by far his best season.
Doug Williams and his aberrant partial season.
Jim McMahon
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Those were some guys I was thinking of. Never heard of rypien, and I was not sure if Doug Williams was considered good or not.
What about Bradshaw? Was he a good qb?
Norg
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Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Doug Williams
phill simms
Jim McMahon
Len Dawson (KC)
Joe flacco
ELi won 2 so u can say hes not a fluke and a good QB also . Mark Rypien won 2 so u can say he was pretty good
also Ken Stabler from the raiders but i heard he played for the oilers 2 and he was a great raider nickname the snake so hw can u hate on him LOL
Trent Dilfer
Doug Williams
phill simms
Jim McMahon
Len Dawson (KC)
Joe flacco
ELi won 2 so u can say hes not a fluke and a good QB also . Mark Rypien won 2 so u can say he was pretty good
also Ken Stabler from the raiders but i heard he played for the oilers 2 and he was a great raider nickname the snake so hw can u hate on him LOL
TheDrifter
Rookie
Fair enough.
In that case, in that case Cak pretty well nailed it.
Though I'd include Joe Namath as well. He was more hype than greatness.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Norg
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Kansas city and the famous video of the coach saying " lets just keep trickulating the ball down the field boys LOL "
Simms and Dawson didn't get into HOF because of 1 SB
I was thinking maybe Simms, but no way Dawson deserves on a list of mediocre
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
He was at the time... he was flamboyant but backed it up on the field. He knees kept him from having a truly stellar career. After the fact yeah a lot more hype
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Based on some of the names and reminders here I'm starting to rethink my position that schaub couldn't have won it.
I know a lot of the names are old timers. Just thinking.
I know a lot of the names are old timers. Just thinking.
Norg
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I think schaubs only chance to win it was the first year we went to the PLayoffs but to bad Haynes worth sat on his foot LOL
but then again TJ came in and beat Cincy and ATL games I don't we could have won if matt was playing
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I stopped at 30 years back.
Bradshaw was confusing. He wasn't that great generally but he was mind-bogglingly disgustingly clutch. He'd pull some dumb backyard football stunt and Swann or Stallworth would save his ass.
Rypien was only QB for one. He was also on the team when Williams won.
Yep, I think the term "chunk a duck" may have been coined describing him
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Please try to explain this?
Len Dawson was a 7 time pro bowler 2 time All Pro HoF QB. Not on this list.
Joe Namath was a less accurate Brett Favre. 50.1% comp. 220 INTs to 173 TDs.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
1, Trent Dilfer
2. Brad Johnson
3. Mark Rypien
4. Doug Williams
5. Jim McMahon
6. Earl Morrall
7. Joe Naimath (Definitely the most overrated as well)
2. Brad Johnson
3. Mark Rypien
4. Doug Williams
5. Jim McMahon
6. Earl Morrall
7. Joe Naimath (Definitely the most overrated as well)
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Didn't a Giants backup win a SB in the early 90s?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Simms got them in the playoffs and then Jeff Hostetler won In 1991.
If we're talking terrible Super Bowl performances, honorable mention has to be said about one of the greatest QBs in NFL history but who has had two really bad Super Bowl games, throwing a pick 6 in each game. Peyton Manning will go down as one of the greatest QBs in NFL history, but his game against the Seahawks was beyond abysmal. Then add his game vs. the Saints when he pretty much gave it away with a pick 6 in that one, too, and it should at least be mentioned.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I gotta go with Dilfer. All those other guys had good seasons when they won it all. Dilfer didn't do much of anything. The Ravens won in spite of the QB.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'd say Simms is an example of a same ballpark/slightly below Schaub level QB winning a SB.
Also a 2 time pro bowler.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
This excerise had made me feel a little better.
my bad, I confused his "one more pass to Lawrence Taylor being at HOF ceremony instead of his jersey retirement ceremony
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
Actually none we're technically the "worst" despite bad seasons
each were talented enough to do what others couldn't and that
is? bring home a championship
each were talented enough to do what others couldn't and that
is? bring home a championship
No biggie.
For comparison purposes, here's a list from FanSided.
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1 - Joe Namath
2 - Trent Dilfer
3 - Jim McMahon
4 - Jim Plunkett
5 - Brad Johnson
6 - Terry Bradshaw (I agree that Bradshaw rode the defense during the first 2, but he stepped up and helped earn the the 2nd two)
7 - Earl Morrall
8 - Mark Rypien
9 - Ben Roethisberger
10- Eli Manning
bah007
Hall of Fame
Dilfer, McMahon, and Namath are automatic to me. Plunkett makes sense as well.
I struggle after that. There's a handful of guys that could fill out the other spots. Not a huge Bradshaw fan but he won so damn many of them. I've always seen Eli as incredibly overrated but he also has a good track record in the playoffs.
Johnson was actually a big part of his team's success the year they won it, but he only had two good years in his entire career. If you think Johnson should be on there then you probably feel the same about Morrall. I think their careers were similar.
Rypien was only average during his time as a starter.
I think I'd go:
1. Dilfer
2. McMahon
3. Namath
4. Plunkett
5. Johnson
6. Rypien
7. Morrall
I struggle after that. There's a handful of guys that could fill out the other spots. Not a huge Bradshaw fan but he won so damn many of them. I've always seen Eli as incredibly overrated but he also has a good track record in the playoffs.
Johnson was actually a big part of his team's success the year they won it, but he only had two good years in his entire career. If you think Johnson should be on there then you probably feel the same about Morrall. I think their careers were similar.
Rypien was only average during his time as a starter.
I think I'd go:
1. Dilfer
2. McMahon
3. Namath
4. Plunkett
5. Johnson
6. Rypien
7. Morrall
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Damn forgot about him...Yeah you could slide him in anywhere in my list.
That was their list, here's mine; in no particular order:
Mark Rypien/Doug Williams (tie) - One good year then disappeared
Jim McMahon - One has to wonder that, with Sweetness and that dominating D, if he had been a top flight QB how many SBs would they have won?
Trent Dilfer - No brainer. The year after the Ravens won the SB with him, they let him walk.
Terry Bradshaw - early on he kinda sucked but I think he grew into being a solid QB around the 3rd SB
Ben Roethlisberger - Like Bradshaw, he got his first ring on the back of a strong D and the running game. But he earned the last one by outdueling Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson - see Dilfer, Trent
I'm not going to count Earl Morrall or Jim Plunkett or Jeff Hostetler because they "came off the bench" to win their SBs. Non-starting guys get a pass in my book. You should be happy they don't completely screw the pooch; so for them to get you to the playoffs and the SB and win it, sh!t thats icing, whipped cream, cherry, and sprinkles.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Dilfer wasn't the starter. Tony Banks started the first 8 games.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Those washington teams were about the power run game & you can go ahead and lump all of Washington's qb's in this category during that period. which is why i put Thiesman on my list. Somehow this guy has gotten a pass like he was really good in the NFL and he wasn't. The year they won the SB with him at the helm he had a 2009 Schaub-esque year passing the ball. Up to that point in his career, he hadn't really done anything except throw more INT's than TD's. He was also pretty much garbage in the playoffs too.
1.Dilfer
2. Johnson
3. Earl Morral Beat the Cowboys after Unitas got knocked out.
4. Hoestetler
5. Rypien
6. McMahon
7.Williams
2. Johnson
3. Earl Morral Beat the Cowboys after Unitas got knocked out.
4. Hoestetler
5. Rypien
6. McMahon
7.Williams
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
...after the refs awarded a fumble recovery to the Colts with no Colts around and a Cowboy holding the ball.
That's true. But Banks was benched, not injured. To me that made Dilfer the starter for the remainder of the season and the playoffs.
Hey, no argument on that from me.
Brady's first Super Bowl MVP?
I understand where you're coming from, but without Brady marching the offense down the field with 1:21 on the clock and no time outs, Vinatieri never gets a chance to kick that field goal.
Brady's numbers were not phenomenal, but he was clutch. And that's why he won the SB MVP.
Big Ben's SB was his second year in the league as a starting QB. Brady, on the other, hand, started that season as a backup and never expected to see much playing time behind Bledsoe.
Those two make the perfect case studies of how you are only as elite as your pass protection is.
Eli sucks when he doesn't have all day.
And Flacco, LOL .. we all saw first hand how good he was the last time he showed up at NRG.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There's a ridiculous standard. There isn't a QB who's ever played the game who didn't have bad games. He was 275 ypg, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 120+ QB rating good in the playoffs to win the SB.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Brady's 1st SB MVP was kind of like VY going to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he got the award, but come on, man. I'm not trying to talk down about Brady - the guy's an all time great and deservedly a first ballot HOFer. But his first year hinged on being a game manager, and he did it very well. His SB MVP was won on the strength of a 16-27, 145yd, 1 TD effort. And in the final drive, where he led the team down the field for their real MVP to win it, he completed I think one pass that wasn't a dump-off to a RB. Excuse me for not being overwhelmed by such a staggering performance by a QB.
Later on, he became a QB god. In that first season, he was learning on the job.
Well there is that.
I remember how upset I was as a small child thinking the refs were crooked way back then. (The Mackey reception)
He's not an elite QB. Far from it. He's only as good as his OL, and that year, his OL was elite, not him.
but, but... during the year, our O-line was better. They gave up 38 sacks and our O-line only gave up 28. Our O-line paved the way for a 132.7 rushing yds/game and the Ravens only produced 118.5 yds/game.
Now they did keep Flacco clean (only 1 sack during the playoff run) and maybe that's why he got hot during the playoffs.
I don't think Flacco or Eli Manning are "elite". But they got hot (lucky?) when it counted, during their playoff runs.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Really, his OL was elite? First I've heard of that. Call up and provide your insight to PFF:
Link
The (8) up there was the year before. How odd, he played better with a worse OL. So much for elite OL either year and that he's only as good as his OL.