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Name your top 7 worst QB's to ever win a Super Bowl.

xtruroyaltyx

Hall of Fame
Just curious what people think.

Im not specifying season or career. Just guys you don't think were that good and won.
 
I'm still floored by 3 comp. on 9 att., 1 TD, 2 INTs in a winning effort.

I think you have to define game, season or career to answer.

Big Ben had one of the ugliest games ever 9 comp. on 21 att., 0 TDs 2 INTs but on his career wouldn't sniff the list.
 
I guess you could go with career, but some guys are overall good and had bad games and won like Ben.

Others had mediocre careers and big time play offs and won.

I'm just trying to get a general sense of the worst caliber of qb we can win a Super Bowl with.

Basically guys you didn't think we're that good and win Super Bowls.

Season might be more appropriate. Play off performance too.

Basically list it how you want to.

Just curious.
 
I'm just trying to get a general sense of the worst caliber of qb we can win a Super Bowl with.

I think comparing 49 years of Super Bowls to our own situation is difficult, because of how the game has changed.

So to answer your real question, the floor is Flacco/Eli. Maybe Brad Johnson with a truly dominate defense and run game.
 
I think comparing 49 years of Super Bowls to our own situation is difficult, because of how the game has changed.

So to answer your real question, the floor is Flacco/Eli. Maybe Brad Johnson with a truly dominate defense and run game.

It's just for discussion purposes. Not everyone will agree. Personally I can take a qb in that era for what they were. Numbers might not be the same and game has changed, but bad qb's are bad qb's in their era.

I was more interested in the history because I didntvreally start watching football until after the oilers lost to the bills that one time everyone wants to forget about.

I'll be thirty this year. Texans are really the only pro football team I've ever followed closely.

I'm curious about bad or mediocre qb's to have won it all. Just wanted to hear different opinions if anyone has some names.
 
Dilfer has to be the poster boy.

Brad Johnson although he had his best season by far.

People argue Eli and Flacco on career but they got theirs by playing elite post season.

Some call Wilson a game manager albeit an elite one.

Mark Rypien although again he had by far his best season.

Doug Williams and his aberrant partial season.

Jim McMahon
 
Dilfer has to be the poster boy.

Brad Johnson although he had his best season by far.

People argue Eli and Flacco on career but they got theirs by playing elite post season.

Some call Wilson a game manager albeit an elite one.

Mark Rypien although again he had by far his best season.

Doug Williams and his aberrant partial season.

Jim McMahon

Those were some guys I was thinking of. Never heard of rypien, and I was not sure if Doug Williams was considered good or not.

What about Bradshaw? Was he a good qb?
 
Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Doug Williams

phill simms

Jim McMahon

Len Dawson (KC)

Joe flacco




ELi won 2 so u can say hes not a fluke and a good QB also . Mark Rypien won 2 so u can say he was pretty good

also Ken Stabler from the raiders but i heard he played for the oilers 2 and he was a great raider nickname the snake so hw can u hate on him LOL
 
It's just for discussion purposes. Not everyone will agree. Personally I can take a qb in that era for what they were. Numbers might not be the same and game has changed, but bad qb's are bad qb's in their era.

I was more interested in the history because I didntvreally start watching football until after the oilers lost to the bills that one time everyone wants to forget about.

I'll be thirty this year. Texans are really the only pro football team I've ever followed closely.

I'm curious about bad or mediocre qb's to have won it all. Just wanted to hear different opinions if anyone has some names.

Fair enough.

In that case, in that case Cak pretty well nailed it.

Though I'd include Joe Namath as well. He was more hype than greatness.
 
Dilfer has to be the poster boy.

Brad Johnson although he had his best season by far.

People argue Eli and Flacco on career but they got theirs by playing elite post season.

Some call Wilson a game manager albeit an elite one.

Mark Rypien although again he had by far his best season.

Doug Williams and his aberrant partial season.

Jim McMahon

good list

Some would say Jim Plunkett
Hostetler
Jim McMahon
Griese?
 
Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Doug Williams

phill simms

Jim McMahon

Len Dawson (KC)

Joe flacco




ELi won 2 so u can say hes not a fluke and a good QB also . Mark Rypien won 2 so u can say he was pretty good

also Ken Stabler from the raiders but i heard he played for the oilers 2 and he was a great raider nickname the snake so hw can u hate on him LOL

Simms and Dawson didn't get into HOF because of 1 SB

I was thinking maybe Simms, but no way Dawson deserves on a list of mediocre
 
Namath. Interesting.

always thought he was considered a top tier qb.

He was at the time... he was flamboyant but backed it up on the field. He knees kept him from having a truly stellar career. After the fact yeah a lot more hype
 
Based on some of the names and reminders here I'm starting to rethink my position that schaub couldn't have won it.

I know a lot of the names are old timers. Just thinking.
 
Based on some of the names and reminders here I'm starting to rethink my position that schaub couldn't have won it.

I know a lot of the names are old timers. Just thinking.



I think schaubs only chance to win it was the first year we went to the PLayoffs but to bad Haynes worth sat on his foot LOL

but then again TJ came in and beat Cincy and ATL games I don't we could have won if matt was playing
 
What about Bradshaw? Was he a good qb?

I stopped at 30 years back.

Bradshaw was confusing. He wasn't that great generally but he was mind-bogglingly disgustingly clutch. He'd pull some dumb backyard football stunt and Swann or Stallworth would save his ass.

Mark Rypien won 2 so u can say he was pretty good

Rypien was only QB for one. He was also on the team when Williams won.
 
Bradshaw was confusing. He wasn't that great generally but he was mind-bogglingly disgustingly clutch. He'd pull some dumb backyard football stunt and Swann or Stallworth would save his ass.

Yep, I think the term "chunk a duck" may have been coined describing him
 
but then again TJ came in and beat Cincy and ATL games I don't we could have won if matt was playing

Please try to explain this?

Len Dawson was a 7 time pro bowler 2 time All Pro HoF QB. Not on this list.

Joe Namath was a less accurate Brett Favre. 50.1% comp. 220 INTs to 173 TDs.
 
1, Trent Dilfer

2. Brad Johnson

3. Mark Rypien

4. Doug Williams

5. Jim McMahon

6. Earl Morrall

7. Joe Naimath (Definitely the most overrated as well)
 
If we're talking terrible Super Bowl performances, honorable mention has to be said about one of the greatest QBs in NFL history but who has had two really bad Super Bowl games, throwing a pick 6 in each game. Peyton Manning will go down as one of the greatest QBs in NFL history, but his game against the Seahawks was beyond abysmal. Then add his game vs. the Saints when he pretty much gave it away with a pick 6 in that one, too, and it should at least be mentioned.
 
Dilfer has to be the poster boy.

Brad Johnson although he had his best season by far.

People argue Eli and Flacco on career but they got theirs by playing elite post season.

Some call Wilson a game manager albeit an elite one.

Mark Rypien although again he had by far his best season.

Doug Williams and his aberrant partial season.

Jim McMahon

I gotta go with Dilfer. All those other guys had good seasons when they won it all. Dilfer didn't do much of anything. The Ravens won in spite of the QB.
 
In addition to the above list, I'll add Tom Brady. Much like Big Ben, he went on to be a great QB (very good in Ben's case), but his first season and first SB were pedestrian at best.
 
Simms and Dawson didn't get into HOF because of 1 SB

I was thinking maybe Simms, but no way Dawson deserves on a list of mediocre

Check your data, Phil Simms isn't in the Hall.
 
Actually none we're technically the "worst" despite bad seasons
each were talented enough to do what others couldn't and that
is? bring home a championship
 
my bad, I confused his "one more pass to Lawrence Taylor being at HOF ceremony instead of his jersey retirement ceremony

No biggie.

For comparison purposes, here's a list from FanSided.
Not every quarterback that wins a Super Bowl (or several) is the reason their team won. These guys aren’t even close.
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1 - Joe Namath
2 - Trent Dilfer
3 - Jim McMahon
4 - Jim Plunkett
5 - Brad Johnson
6 - Terry Bradshaw (I agree that Bradshaw rode the defense during the first 2, but he stepped up and helped earn the the 2nd two)
7 - Earl Morrall
8 - Mark Rypien
9 - Ben Roethisberger
10- Eli Manning
 
Dilfer, McMahon, and Namath are automatic to me. Plunkett makes sense as well.

I struggle after that. There's a handful of guys that could fill out the other spots. Not a huge Bradshaw fan but he won so damn many of them. I've always seen Eli as incredibly overrated but he also has a good track record in the playoffs.

Johnson was actually a big part of his team's success the year they won it, but he only had two good years in his entire career. If you think Johnson should be on there then you probably feel the same about Morrall. I think their careers were similar.

Rypien was only average during his time as a starter.

I think I'd go:
1. Dilfer
2. McMahon
3. Namath
4. Plunkett
5. Johnson
6. Rypien
7. Morrall
 
Of those that i got to at least see a little of..


Dilfer
Brad Johnson
McMahon
Theisman
Hostetler
 
Dilfer, McMahon, and Namath are automatic to me. Plunkett makes sense as well.

I struggle after that. There's a handful of guys that could fill out the other spots. Not a huge Bradshaw fan but he won so damn many of them. I've always seen Eli as incredibly overrated but he also has a good track record in the playoffs.

Johnson was actually a big part of his team's success the year they won it, but he only had two good years in his entire career. If you think Johnson should be on there then you probably feel the same about Morrall. I think their careers were similar.

Rypien was only average during his time as a starter.

I think I'd go:
1. Dilfer
2. McMahon
3. Namath
4. Plunkett
5. Johnson
6. Rypien
7. Morrall
Damn forgot about him...Yeah you could slide him in anywhere in my list.
 
No biggie.

For comparison purposes, here's a list from FanSided.
link

1 - Joe Namath
2 - Trent Dilfer
3 - Jim McMahon
4 - Jim Plunkett
5 - Brad Johnson
6 - Terry Bradshaw (I agree that Bradshaw rode the defense during the first 2, but he stepped up and helped earn the the 2nd two)
7 - Earl Morrall
8 - Mark Rypien
9 - Ben Roethisberger
10- Eli Manning

That was their list, here's mine; in no particular order:

Mark Rypien/Doug Williams (tie) - One good year then disappeared
Jim McMahon - One has to wonder that, with Sweetness and that dominating D, if he had been a top flight QB how many SBs would they have won?
Trent Dilfer - No brainer. The year after the Ravens won the SB with him, they let him walk.
Terry Bradshaw - early on he kinda sucked but I think he grew into being a solid QB around the 3rd SB
Ben Roethlisberger - Like Bradshaw, he got his first ring on the back of a strong D and the running game. But he earned the last one by outdueling Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson - see Dilfer, Trent

I'm not going to count Earl Morrall or Jim Plunkett or Jeff Hostetler because they "came off the bench" to win their SBs. Non-starting guys get a pass in my book. You should be happy they don't completely screw the pooch; so for them to get you to the playoffs and the SB and win it, sh!t thats icing, whipped cream, cherry, and sprinkles.
 
I'm not going to count Earl Morrall or Jim Plunkett or Jeff Hostetler because they "came off the bench" to win their SBs. Non-starting guys get a pass in my book. You should be happy they don't completely screw the pooch; so for them to get you to the playoffs and the SB and win it, sh!t thats icing, whipped cream, cherry, and sprinkles.

Dilfer wasn't the starter. Tony Banks started the first 8 games.
 
That was their list, here's mine; in no particular order:

Mark Rypien/Doug Williams (tie) - One good year then disappeared
Jim McMahon - One has to wonder that, with Sweetness and that dominating D, if he had been a top flight QB how many SBs would they have won?
Trent Dilfer - No brainer. The year after the Ravens won the SB with him, they let him walk.
Terry Bradshaw - early on he kinda sucked but I think he grew into being a solid QB around the 3rd SB
Ben Roethlisberger - Like Bradshaw, he got his first ring on the back of a strong D and the running game. But he earned the last one by outdueling Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson - see Dilfer, Trent

I'm not going to count Earl Morrall or Jim Plunkett or Jeff Hostetler because they "came off the bench" to win their SBs. Non-starting guys get a pass in my book. You should be happy they don't completely screw the pooch; so for them to get you to the playoffs and the SB and win it, sh!t thats icing, whipped cream, cherry, and sprinkles.

Those washington teams were about the power run game & you can go ahead and lump all of Washington's qb's in this category during that period. which is why i put Thiesman on my list. Somehow this guy has gotten a pass like he was really good in the NFL and he wasn't. The year they won the SB with him at the helm he had a 2009 Schaub-esque year passing the ball. Up to that point in his career, he hadn't really done anything except throw more INT's than TD's. He was also pretty much garbage in the playoffs too.
 
1.Dilfer
2. Johnson
3. Earl Morral Beat the Cowboys after Unitas got knocked out.
4. Hoestetler
5. Rypien
6. McMahon
7.Williams
 
Those washington teams were about the power run game & you can go ahead and lump all of Washington's qb's in this category during that period. which is why i put Thiesman on my list. Somehow this guy has gotten a pass like he was really good in the NFL and he wasn't. The year they won the SB with him at the helm he had a 2009 Schaub-esque year passing the ball. Up to that point in his career, he hadn't really done anything except throw more INT's than TD's. He was also pretty much garbage in the playoffs too.

Hey, no argument on that from me.
 
In addition to the above list, I'll add Tom Brady. Much like Big Ben, he went on to be a great QB (very good in Ben's case), but his first season and first SB were pedestrian at best.

Brady's first Super Bowl MVP?

I understand where you're coming from, but without Brady marching the offense down the field with 1:21 on the clock and no time outs, Vinatieri never gets a chance to kick that field goal.

Brady's numbers were not phenomenal, but he was clutch. And that's why he won the SB MVP.

Big Ben's SB was his second year in the league as a starting QB. Brady, on the other, hand, started that season as a backup and never expected to see much playing time behind Bledsoe.
 
People argue Eli and Flacco on career but they got theirs by playing elite post season.

Those two make the perfect case studies of how you are only as elite as your pass protection is.

Eli sucks when he doesn't have all day.

And Flacco, LOL .. we all saw first hand how good he was the last time he showed up at NRG.
 
And Flacco, LOL .. we all saw first hand how good he was the last time he showed up at NRG.

There's a ridiculous standard. There isn't a QB who's ever played the game who didn't have bad games. He was 275 ypg, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 120+ QB rating good in the playoffs to win the SB.
 
Brady's first Super Bowl MVP?

I understand where you're coming from, but without Brady marching the offense down the field with 1:21 on the clock and no time outs, Vinatieri never gets a chance to kick that field goal.

Brady's numbers were not phenomenal, but he was clutch. And that's why he won the SB MVP.

Big Ben's SB was his second year in the league as a starting QB. Brady, on the other, hand, started that season as a backup and never expected to see much playing time behind Bledsoe.

Brady's 1st SB MVP was kind of like VY going to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he got the award, but come on, man. I'm not trying to talk down about Brady - the guy's an all time great and deservedly a first ballot HOFer. But his first year hinged on being a game manager, and he did it very well. His SB MVP was won on the strength of a 16-27, 145yd, 1 TD effort. And in the final drive, where he led the team down the field for their real MVP to win it, he completed I think one pass that wasn't a dump-off to a RB. Excuse me for not being overwhelmed by such a staggering performance by a QB.

Later on, he became a QB god. In that first season, he was learning on the job.
 
...after the refs awarded a fumble recovery to the Colts with no Colts around and a Cowboy holding the ball.

Well there is that.

I remember how upset I was as a small child thinking the refs were crooked way back then. (The Mackey reception)
 
There's a ridiculous standard. There isn't a QB who's ever played the game who didn't have bad games. He was 275 ypg, 11 TDs, 0 INTs, 120+ QB rating good in the playoffs to win the SB.

He's not an elite QB. Far from it. He's only as good as his OL, and that year, his OL was elite, not him.
 
He's not an elite QB. Far from it. He's only as good as his OL, and that year, his OL was elite, not him.

but, but... during the year, our O-line was better. They gave up 38 sacks and our O-line only gave up 28. Our O-line paved the way for a 132.7 rushing yds/game and the Ravens only produced 118.5 yds/game.

Now they did keep Flacco clean (only 1 sack during the playoff run) and maybe that's why he got hot during the playoffs.

I don't think Flacco or Eli Manning are "elite". But they got hot (lucky?) when it counted, during their playoff runs.
 
He's not an elite QB. Far from it. He's only as good as his OL, and that year, his OL was elite, not him.

Really, his OL was elite? First I've heard of that. Call up and provide your insight to PFF:

17. Baltimore Ravens (8)

PB – 23rd, RB – 10th, PEN – 24th

Link

The (8) up there was the year before. How odd, he played better with a worse OL. So much for elite OL either year and that he's only as good as his OL.
 
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