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Mock 1: Discussion Thread - All mock draft discussion here

Maddict5 said:
TE's are more dangerous in the red zone cos wr find it harder to get free- every1 knows that. you kind of blew up your argument by calling fitz and anquan big time red zone targets when they have a bad red zone offence. however i agree with you- a rb is a big cause of that but so is not having a te to throw to over the middle. running games are alot harder to build and will take time
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Fitz and Boldin are big time targets....I don't mind sticking to that point of contention as TE's generally do not score as often as WR's do if you look across the league. The Cardinals offensive problems in the red zone aren't their passing targets. Running games are also easier to put together than passing offenses. That is fairly common knowledge.
 
Maddict5 said:
i agree there o-line is bad but trade down and pick him up late in the 1st he'll still be there. if you cant get a trade- address their other weaknesses. they could've done with a tackle, cb, S. or how about addressing 1 of their most obvious weaknesses- their red-zone offence. take a monster like vernon davis and that situation is immediately upgraded. if you'd done something like that you would've addressed their needs and it would've been a value pick not a reach. and the steelers and pats have been doing this in the LATE 1st round and lower rounds not with a high pick

EDIT- ok other people have already said davis but Lucky- he would be a good receiver but its in the red zone that he would be huge for them- neil rackers set an nfl record for fg's for a reason. also SE since when is a G a sure thing-winslow isnt even a bust yet- just been injured. anyway all il say is you could count the number of people, on this site, that would've sellected max there in 1 hand- namely you and the jean-gilles household j/k
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I received no trade offers to move down, and then once again, I will state that Giles was in IMO the best versitile lineman available and no one else blew my socks off to make a different pick. The CB situation in AZ was put in a vice with the injury to Rolle so it should be better this year without drafting anyone. As for DTackle, I just picked up a very good dtackle in the 2nd round, so your argument about trading down could have been made for any pick I made at that point. The #10 pick is a borderline value pick, I didn't see anyone banging down my down door dying to trade with me to pick Player X. And as noted, I would have picked Cutler if the Cards had not signed Warner, but they did and this is what I have left to deal with.
 
Worten is a perfect fit for the Eagles D line. Fast off the snap with good push. Great up side as he is only a two year player at LSU. First rounder if he had stayed out of the trouble that was reported.
 
Vinny said:
Fitz and Boldin are big time targets....I don't mind sticking to that point of contention as TE's generally do not score as often as WR's do if you look across the league. The Cardinals offensive problems in the red zone aren't their passing targets. Running games are also easier to put together than passing offenses. That is fairly common knowledge.
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you're looking at stats though and you see wrs generally score more tds, which they do, but alot of these are 20 or 30 yard tds. however if you watch games you always see if its a passing play inside the 10 yard line- the te becomes the main target cos cbs dont give wrs as much room as in the open field cos they know the wrs cant get behind them.
also how is it easier for the cards to put together a running game- they have to get new linemen and a good rb. i dont get that common knowledge
 
SESupergenius said:
I received no trade offers to move down, and then once again, I will state that Giles was in IMO the best versitile lineman available and no one else blew my socks off to make a different pick. The CB situation in AZ was put in a vice with the injury to Rolle so it should be better this year without drafting anyone. As for DTackle, I just picked up a very good dtackle in the 2nd round, so your argument about trading down could have been made for any pick I made at that point. The #10 pick is a borderline value pick, I didn't see anyone banging down my down door dying to trade with me to pick Player X. And as noted, I would have picked Cutler if the Cards had not signed Warner, but they did and this is what I have left to deal with.
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hes a huge G and not even the most highly rated 1 at that. i cant even think of a college G that has been picked in the top 10 the last few years. hutchinson went somewhere around 20 if i remember correctly. also AZ could do with a 1st round #2 cb, a FS, or a T not a DT(whick is what you thought i said)..just looking at the draft now-white, jimmy williams, ko simpson,davis,mcneil, winston, tye hill would all have been more value picks while also filling needs thats all
 
Maddict5 said:
you're looking at stats though and you see wrs generally score more tds, which they do, but alot of these are 20 or 30 yard tds. however if you watch games you always see if its a passing play inside the 10 yard line- the te becomes the main target cos cbs dont give wrs as much room as in the open field cos they know the wrs cant get behind them.
also how is it easier for the cards to put together a running game- they have to get new linemen and a good rb. i dont get that common knowledge
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You are not going to reduce football strategy to 3 or 4 sweeping sentences. I have followed the NFL closely for over 30 years, so while I do appreciate the football lesson, I think that was amazingly simple. The NFL isn't like Madden. Size and power start to become more dominant traits in the red zone and the more physical teams have more advantage when the field shrinks. In Madden, speed is everything. I think too many of you young people think that everything is solved with speed like in Madden.

Passing schemes and blocking for the passing game is much harder to get together than being able to run the ball. If you had to have one problem or the other, the easiest one to fix is the running game. The Cards passing game isn't the broken part of their offense.

I'll update the mock and stuff...i just got in.
 
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That's big Al giving Pbuc the wink, wink, nudge, nudge. "Too bad Casserly wasn't trading back in this draft, we could have restored the pride and the glory by May", chortled Big Al.

Why is big Al so happy you ask? Well, the most explosive edge rusher in this draft just fell into the Raiders lap. "Darryl Tapp Owns da Brick", was mumbled as Al was gearing up for some more bocci ball.


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Vinny said:
You are not going to reduce football strategy to 3 or 4 sweeping sentences. I have followed the NFL closely for over 30 years, so while I do appreciate the football lesson, I think that was amazingly simple. The NFL isn't like Madden. Size and power start to become more dominant traits in the red zone and the more physical teams have more advantage when the field shrinks. In Madden, speed is everything. I think too many of you young people think that everything is solved with speed like in Madden.

Passing schemes and blocking for the passing game is much harder to get together than being able to run the ball. If you had to have one problem or the other, the easiest one to fix is the running game. The Cards passing game isn't the broken part of their offense.

I'll update the mock and stuff...i just got in.
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that post didnt make sense to me but anyway- when did i say they had to get speed- you then go on to prove my point about davis? Why did i say the cards needed vernon davis- to help in the red zone. how- because te's are bigger targets in the red zone than wrs (something you said wasnt very important i may add-because fitz and boldin are 'big time red zone targets'). what is Vernon Davis- big and powerful (and speedy) which is why he is the consensus 1st te taken and potential top 10/15 pick.
if its so easy to run the ball, according to you, why cant the cards do it- and why did no team run the ball effectively in the playoffs(when it matters). the cards do have a good at moving the ball through the passing game but it would be alot better for them in the red zone if they had a big time te (whos been compared to antonio gates)- i do agree with you though that their o-line needs help but i wouldve gone for davis in the first and o-line later (especially if you're after G's) which is how this whole sub-debate started
 
Vinny said:
You are not going to reduce football strategy to 3 or 4 sweeping sentences. I have followed the NFL closely for over 30 years, so while I do appreciate the football lesson, I think that was amazingly simple. The NFL isn't like Madden. Size and power start to become more dominant traits in the red zone and the more physical teams have more advantage when the field shrinks. In Madden, speed is everything. I think too many of you young people think that everything is solved with speed like in Madden.
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i wasnt going to go back and look at every td the cards scored this season- i saw them live on tv twice and saw the highlights of their other games- and i saw a good share of longer type tds- the only 1 i can remember at present is v sf cos of all the missed tackles.
and if you look in general its is true enough- any1 will tell you that wrs are more dangerous when theres plenty of green ahead of them cos cbs dont want to get beat deep so they give them some space for the shorter routes. i didnt think i was saying anything earth-shattering there but whatever- if you think it was. i thought it was that 'common knowledge' you spoke of
 
Nothing personal but it's hard to read a post with made-up cyber words. Street cred can't help your argument. You want Davis? fine. It's just a mock so lets just get on with it.
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
Well, the Texans made their 2nd round choice. Any input? Feedback? Questions? Thoughts? Happy? Unhappy?
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Good job so far. I think LB in the third would be good. There is a certain one still on the board. :twocents:
 
Vinny said:
Nothing personal but it's hard to read a post with made-up cyber words. Street cred can't help your argument. You want Davis? fine. It's just a mock so lets just get on with it.
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what the.. what did i say... just sounds like a 14 year olds way of accepting they lost an argument. really mature though seriously
 
I was serious, it helps to type in standard English. People will take you more seriously. If you want to think you won some kind of argument...then congrats.
 
Vinny said:
I was serious, it helps to type in standard English. People will take you more seriously. If you want to think you won some kind of argument...then congrats.
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1- please give examples of what is wrong with the 2 posts- the only thing i can see wrong with them is i said wouldve and theres without ' and cos instead of because. i wouldnt exactly call that indecipherable
2- you still haven't replied to any of the points i made in the 2 posts
 
I made my statement. You added some points about bpa drafting over need drafting....ok, well I get that's why you don't like the pick. I don't like the pick either but I got over it quickly but I can see the argument. All that other stuff is just gibberish.
 
Total brain fart there Vinny. I even checked this page a few times yesterday and still thought it was the Chiefs turn, sorry about that.
 
C Madd said:
Total brain fart there Vinny. I even checked this page a few times yesterday and still thought it was the Chiefs turn, sorry about that.
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no biggie. we'll see ya next pick..
 
The mock is slowing to a crawl....

In anycase....The Ledzeppelin269 Bears will take Andrew Whitworth, OT LSU. Whitworth probably won't be here when the Bears make their pick so they are excited to shore up their offensive line with the physically dominant and durable Whitworth.
 
Vinny said:
The mock is slowing to a crawl....

In anycase....The Ledzeppelin269 Bears will take Andrew Whitworth, OT LSU. Whitworth probably won't be here when the Bears make their pick so they are excited to shore up their offensive line with the physically dominant and durable Whitworth.
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....., because "The-Wiz" hasn't popped in to the board in over a week.
 
that shouldn't be too hard to fix.

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Who wants to make the Bucs pick?
 
Blue ran like a 4.72 40 when I watched the NFL network last night. I watched a bunch of the DB's run. Unless he gets into the mid 4.6's, I expect his stock to plummet. But, we shall see.
 
I'm sorry someone has to feel my wrath on this but I think Blue is terrible. He was pathetic in coverage all year. In the West Virginia game he was pathetic and he blew the Auburn game by giving up a 60 yarder on 4th and 10. He puts some good hits on people but he is nowhere near the tackler T. Davis is, and when you add in his pathetic coverage skills I wouldn't even waste a pick on this guy.

Last year I warned people about Fred Gibson and he was cut before the preseason even started. This year I warn you of Greg Blue.
 
Dunta_23 said:
Im suprised Whitner fell to the 3rd round...He is great value at that point...
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Thats what I thought. Zemaitis wont be around in the 3rd come draft day either.
 
wags said:
I'm sorry someone has to feel my wrath on this but I think Blue is terrible. He was pathetic in coverage all year. In the West Virginia game he was pathetic and he blew the Auburn game by giving up a 60 yarder on 4th and 10. He puts some good hits on people but he is nowhere near the tackler T. Davis is, and when you add in his pathetic coverage skills I wouldn't even waste a pick on this guy.

Last year I warned people about Fred Gibson and he was cut before the preseason even started. This year I warn you of Greg Blue.
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Sounds like Slay and he is projected 2nd day. You're a Georgia specialist what sleepers do you like from them and how do think Minter will fare in the pros?
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
The Texans 3rd round picks are in. Holla back at me with some thoughts.
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I like the picks. The Texans need that type of talent in the secondary, because I think they'll have to blitz often to put pressure on the QB. Keep up the good work. :)
 
The Preacher said:
Sounds like Slay and he is projected 2nd day. You're a Georgia specialist what sleepers do you like from them and how do think Minter will fare in the pros?
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No real sleepers. Quentin Moses would have been a sleeper at DE, but I think he decided to go back. He will be a stud in college next year.

Minter is a good corner, but nothing more. I imagine he will find a roster spot and keep it for some time. Tim Jennings is a fairly good corner as well, but he's very small.

The OT Roland was the tallest lineman at the combine I believe. He's like 6'9" but I wouldn't want him on the Texans.

Shockley is absolutely terrible. That's putting it nicely.

Gerald Anderson is a huge DT who might be OK in the pros, but probably as a backup. Kedric Golston is one the players who sold their SEC ring on EBAY so I have nothing nice to say about him.
 
Lucky said:
I like the picks. The Texans need that type of talent in the secondary, because I think they'll have to blitz often to put pressure on the QB. Keep up the good work. :)
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Thanks. I also think that the d-linemen were sucked dry at this point. I think a FA DE would be a better buy than getting a 3rd round DE, and picking up a CB, or S in FA.

I was also thinking about Omar Jacobs, with the release of Banks. But I felt that his numbers were inflated, due to his system. Maybe ill get him in the 4th ;)
 
I thought your picks were solid too...both of those guys will not make it to the 3rd round. We will need a more physical CB than Pbuc if we are going cover2 like I hear. In a cover 2 scheme the CB's have got to be good tacklers and play in a zone.
 
Vinny,

I almost took Drew with the Packer's pick, but his being 5'6" tall scared me off. Do you really feel that he's a worthwhile pick in the 3rd round? Do you feel that his height will be a detriment in any way? I'm just curious.
 
Hottoddie said:
Vinny,

I almost took Drew with the Packer's pick, but his being 5'6" tall scared me off. Do you really feel that he's a worthwhile pick in the 3rd round? Do you feel that his height will be a detriment in any way? I'm just curious.
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He's 207 so he's not really small....he's short. He's going to be the next Warrick Dunn and really, he has more speed than Dunn. I don't see any way he falls to the second day of the draft myself.
 
Vinny said:
He's 207 so he's not really small....he's short. He's going to be the next Warrick Dunn and really, he has more speed than Dunn. I don't see any way he falls to the second day of the draft myself.
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I got to see Drew play in person against Northwestern. I came away thinking that he hit the holes really well and did very good in space. He catches the ball out of the backfield well. He's a little smallish in height but looks stocky.
 
When my second round pick came up I had narrowed it down to either Drew or Addai. I really like what both guys bring to the table, but Drew still seemed too much like a 3rd Down type of back. Given the Panthers RB situation the need for a RB who could be an every down type of back was apparent. Thus I went with Addai. If the Panthers had an every down reliable type of back I might very well have went with Drew to be the 3rd Down guy. Nice pick.
 
Maddict5 said:
do we need another SS?
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If you are happy with Earl, who was injured part of last year as our starter, and Ramone Walker as our backup, then no. But I want someone to push for the SS spot. Not just be a backup, and special teamer. Whitner would push Earl to be better than he is, or Whitner would be the starter come game one. Walker would be instant 3rd stringer, and special team standout again.
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
If you are happy with Earl, who was injured part of last year as our starter, and Ramone Walker as our backup, then no. But I want someone to push for the SS spot. Not just be a backup, and special teamer. Whitner would push Earl to be better than he is, or Whitner would be the starter come game one. Walker would be instant 3rd stringer, and special team standout again.
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I see Whitner as a poor man's Michael Huff...Whitner could really play anywhere in the secondary as he has the coverage skills of a CB and the run stuffing ability of a SS...I personally wouldn't line him up as a CB because I fell his abilities would be best utilized as a FS...
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
If you are happy with Earl, who was injured part of last year as our starter, and Ramone Walker as our backup, then no. But I want someone to push for the SS spot. Not just be a backup, and special teamer. Whitner would push Earl to be better than he is, or Whitner would be the starter come game one. Walker would be instant 3rd stringer, and special team standout again.
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well theres earl and cc brown is a ss. that seems adequate to me. there are more pressing needs imo eslinger, joseph and klopfenstein were all there-thats all
 
I would agree with D-Rek & also add the same for Zemaitis so basicly you drafted two fine football players who both may end up playing the same position :twocents:
 
I don't see Whitner at CB in the NFL.. We need some physical CB's for the cover 2 defense. Pbuc isn't a cover2 type guy. We could use a FS. Earl and Brown are both better at SS.
 
Ok, so YoungTexanFan hasnt picked and I do not know who to select so gimme some feedback on who y'all think the Broncos should take.


Beerlover, you can make your selection before YoungTexanFan because of his clock expiring....
 
Fiddy said:
Ok, so YoungTexanFan hasnt picked and I do not know who to select so gimme some feedback on who y'all think the Broncos should take.


Beerlover, you can make your selection before YoungTexanFan because of his clock expiring....
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I think they could use a safety. So a player like Bullocks from Nebraska would make sense. But I think you should keep the 3-4th round RB trend going, and give them Jerious Norwood, who might be shooting up draft boards after a solid senior bowl.

Other than that, I say go with a QB like Jacobs, or Whitehurst.
 
Ok, this draft is getting sloppy, sorry guys. I've been busy.

But TEXANS84 Vikings have to pass. F-minus67 Browns are on the clock.
 
Hey guys,

I know we would like for this mock to be as close to reality as possible, but if the team picking before you hasn't made their pick within the 12 hour time limit, you need to go ahead & make your pick. Otherwise, this mock is going to be still working when the real draft starts. Okay, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get my point.

The way it looks now, Texans84's clock has expired & F-minus67's clock has less than an hour left. That means that Swtbound07's Falcons are coming up.
 
Can the mods just make the pick for them? If the 12 hour clock is up, the next person can pick, unless the mods have made the pick, then it is the following teams pick anyway.

Give the vikes Greg Eslinger, SR, 6-3, 285, Minnesota, since their old Center is having medical problems.

Give the Browns the Cedric Griffin, SR, 6-2, 205, Texas, or Bernard Pollard, JR, 6-2, 219, Purdue. Since they need help in that area with Sharper being older, and they could use a good nickle back.

Also, Quentin Moses, JR, 6-5, 248, Georgia, needs to be taken off the prospects list, I think.
 
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