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Mock 1: Discussion Thread - All mock draft discussion here
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YoungTexanFan
All Pro
beerlover said:I could see the Raiders addressing their aging defensive line, this guy looks like he is ready to start in the NFL and would look awful good in silver & black
I think its quite a bit too early for Watson.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Vinny said:
Cutler-Moss.......hopefully will ring true like
culpepper-moss
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
Like they don't have their own
all I was suggesting is that Gabe would look good in Silver & Black, matter of fact he would look good in Texans colors, a better fit than Travis Johnson for the 3-4. Michigan produces awesome lineman as a rule & I understood he really impressed at the Senior bowl, clearly the top DT. ha heck there I go breaking the golden rule, hush hush and all http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/gabewatson.html oops :brickwall
Vinny
shiny happy fan
it was just a quick comment. Probably not a real golden rule anywhere. It just evolves into coaching picks. I want to stay away from that...that's all.beerlover said:Like they don't have their own
all I was suggesting is that Gabe would look good in Silver & Black, matter of fact he would look good in Texans colors, a better fit than Travis Johnson for the 3-4. Michigan produces awesome lineman as a rule & I understood he really impressed at the Senior bowl, clearly the top DT. ha heck there I go breaking the golden rule, hush hush and all http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/gabewatson.html oops :brickwall
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
tulexan said:
i concur....i have no real issues with anything that has transpired
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I made the call for Carpenter to the Seachickens since the clock was overdrawn...I think the Hawks are afraid of Sharper's knees now and Carpenter will add some size and smarts as well as ability beside the undersized but outstanding rookie Lofa Tatapu. I was looking at a Guard and a WR here as well but felt the Carpenter pick was the way to go for the Seahawks with how the board sits after the first 30 picks.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
This mock is pretty much for people to research the teams and their needs, and have a little fun while learing the players in the draft a little better....all kind of a learning thing. Since when did you think that a Feb mock gets even the top 10 right? Take a look at last years version and it's not even close to last years draft (just like all the other FEB mocks of years gone past).Maddict5 said:no problem?? how about taking a projected 2nd-3rd round G and picking him in the top 10- seriously my interest in this declined dramatically after that
College Texan
Waterboy
Any offers for the last pick in the first round. There is still alot of people like Kiwi, Maroney, and Bing. I want a second and a third.
Blake
MMQB
Vinny said:
Yeah, Im going to have to sort of, disagree with you on that. Hes been messing up on his TPS reports...
Ok, seriously, I think that they had more needs than LB. With Leroy Hill, and Lofa Tatupu coming on strong last year, I think they were ok at LB. I think Moss would have been better, or even Maroney for Alexander insurance. I also think that Ernie Sims is a better LB than Carpenter.
But thats just me.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
The Seahawks need some size at Sam linebacker. They have two small players in Hill and Tatapu and Simms is just another smallish linebacker that fits better in a Tamp2 system or perhaps as a Saftey for someone. The Seahawks have issues with the Sam backer...not the mike (Tatapu) or the Will (Hills spot), and Carpenter is a Sam linebacker. I don't like Maroney as a NFL player myself, so I didn't even consider him. I like Joseph Addai more as a NFL back long term. Carpenter replaces the dissapointing Sharper. Sims is too small at 220 to play the Sam.THE NFL DRAFT said:
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
hey im not freaking out- the question was- was there any picks you didnt like..i dont like that pick its not going to happen..look at all the players that were there he could've taken... i just wanted a reasonably realistic mock. as for matt jones(not you vinny), he was a projected late 1st- early 2nd so being a monster athlete at WR and eing selected 24th or whatever is different from a G in the top 10
BuffSoldier
Veteran
THE NFL DRAFT said:
I think that it was the best choice, though I would have love to have seen Leonard Pope, who is still on the board, have a Texans jersey on.
F-minus67 said:
Thats because Matt Jones shot up draft boards after the combine when he ran a sub 4.4 fourty and had a 40 inch vertical. Not to metion that he was 6'6 and 240. He was a gamble pick. People dont take top ten gambles with second round OGs. He would have been available at there spot in the second round.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
wags said:
May not go #10, but just recently I have seen him listed as 1st round on the NFLDraftBlitz value board and going in the first round on DraftStudio.com, Draftshowcase.com and robscouting.com.
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SESupergenius
Guest
Say what you want but I've followed the Cardinals a bit this season and the most glaring weakness was the offensive line in rushing the ball. They have decent backs and unless USC's White had a line in front of him I wasn't going to pick another RB just to have their talent wasted behind a bad rushing line. I've evaluated Giles and feel that he's the best flexible lineman in this draft because he can play both RT and guard. I looked at the Cardinals defense, which ranked in the top 10 last year, and really they've only need to upgrade the CB because they are playing well as a unit. I would have gone after Cutler but the Cardinals just signed Warner and committed to him. So really, after the 9th spot, pretty much everyone on down is not a top 10 pick. It's not the most popular pick but people get too intralled by the "superstar" pick and miss out on good quality players. The Steelers and the Patriots have been doing this for quite a few seasons now.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
THE NFL DRAFT said:
I like the pick, but I might have looked for a guy like Davin Joseph instead. I'm of the mindset that we need more interior OLine help than on the edges, but obviously if your one that thinks the OT positions need immediate help then the Scott pick makes a lot of sense. I think Joseph would be an ideal fit as an OG for the zone blocking scheme. I definately wouldn't be upset if the Texans ended up with Scott though, so still a good pick.
That's a good point. I think Max played tackle as a freshman in the Sugar Bowl where Musa Smith ran all over the Seminoles. Gilles also started at RT his soph season.SESupergenius said:
As far as whether teams draft guards that high, how long did the Cards play Leonard Davis (#2 overall in '01) at guard before moving him to LT? 3 or 4 seasons?
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I put this in the pick thread but will drag it down here in the commentary section also...
The Saints pick Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise St to go with Matt Leinart and the new, New Orleans Saints offense. Wayne Gandy is 35 next season and this will give the Saints two young bookend Tackles to go with their new field general.
The Driftaway Jets proxied the pick of the Georgia TE Leonard Pope.
The Saints pick Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise St to go with Matt Leinart and the new, New Orleans Saints offense. Wayne Gandy is 35 next season and this will give the Saints two young bookend Tackles to go with their new field general.
The Driftaway Jets proxied the pick of the Georgia TE Leonard Pope.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
SESupergenius said:
Why not take Winston Justice instead? He could play RG and surely would be a better RT and is coveted much more because of it.
SESupergenius said:
Giles is a straight ahead road grader, a nasty dude for the interior line. now way in heck does he project to the outside, he does not have the lateral movement, has short stubby arms, lacks height and technique for the tackle position. I've watched him too and he does'nt even stay with his assingments he just keeps rolling over guys downfield looking for something else to knock over not in the concept of the play or reacting to events on the field. He is a 2nd round grade Guard at best.
Vernon Davis could be an outstanding receiving TE, but the Cards already have 2 receivers capable of 100 catch seasons. There are only so many footballs to go around. Davis would have fit a lot of folks' draft boards, but he's not what the Cards need.THE NFL DRAFT said:
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Lucky said:
the senior bowl huh, well they where probably scared not to mention his actual length and gave him that extra inch
whatever we will know for sure after this week at the combine. In any case I don't go around measuring guys arm pits I just watch on TV, sometimes live if I'm LUCKY 
if he does have LONG ARMS he does not use them techniquely sound for a tackle its more of a push off. I disagree with any notion he plays as big as he might be or he could ever play the tackle position in the NFL.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
From what I saw in the limited games I've seen him, he's manhandled every opponent, something that the Cards need. A TE at #10 better be a quaranteed player like Winslow.....oh wait, nevermind. After the 9th slot there really is not a great deal of seperation in talent.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
SESupergenius said:
thats why being Detroit GM I traded up to get Mario Williams. that being said there is plenty of talent capable of making an impact for a NFL team. If your taking OL help there is the big three D'Brick, McNeil & Winston (Justice). But there is also a strong grouping in the 2nd round & lots of solid Guards in 3rd.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
SESupergenius said:
i agree there o-line is bad but trade down and pick him up late in the 1st he'll still be there. if you cant get a trade- address their other weaknesses. they could've done with a tackle, cb, S. or how about addressing 1 of their most obvious weaknesses- their red-zone offence. take a monster like vernon davis and that situation is immediately upgraded. if you'd done something like that you would've addressed their needs and it would've been a value pick not a reach. and the steelers and pats have been doing this in the LATE 1st round and lower rounds not with a high pick
EDIT- ok other people have already said davis but Lucky- he would be a good receiver but its in the red zone that he would be huge for them- neil rackers set an nfl record for fg's for a reason. also SE since when is a G a sure thing-winslow isnt even a bust yet- just been injured. anyway all il say is you could count the number of people, on this site, that would've sellected max there in 1 hand- namely you and the jean-gilles household j/k
Vinny
shiny happy fan
You kinda blow up your entire argument here. The Cards have two BIG TIME targets in the red zone. What they need is a beast in the line who can move run stuffing personel out of the middle and give them a running threat to go with Boldin and Fitz. The Cards short yardage and red zone offense was brutal due to a lack of a ground threat.Maddict5 said:
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Lucky said:
this just in from the Combine-
Guards
Tallest: Dan Stevenson, Notre Dame, 6-foot-5 1/8
Heaviest: Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia, 355 pounds
Longest arms: Davin Joseph, Oklahoma, 35 1/8 inches
Biggest hands: Davin Joseph, Oklahoma, 11 1/4 inches
still not sure of Gilles actual arm length but its less than 35 1/8
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
TE's are more dangerous in the red zone cos wr find it harder to get free- every1 knows that. you kind of blew up your argument by calling fitz and anquan big time red zone targets when they have a bad red zone offence. however i agree with you- a rb is a big cause of that but so is not having a te to throw to over the middle. running games are alot harder to build and will take time