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McShay 3.0

please god no....not another db in the 1st. not only b/c i wouldn't like it, but b/c i heard/read somewhere that the secondary seems to be an area phillips has struggled with shoring up via the draft & FA over his career as a d-coordinator. Someone tell me i heard wrong about that...... please....
 
I have read where Jimmy Smith's workouts have been crazy good and he is racing up boards....but I don't think they take him there.

If anyone is wondering they have Von Miller going at #3 to Buffalo.
 
Peterson slipping out of the Top 5? With the Titans taking Prince at #8, I assume McShay has Peterson at #6 to the Browns or #7 to the 49'ers?

If it's the Browns, then probably Dareus to the 9'ers. Who's he got the Redskins taking, Julio Jones? I'd take Julio over Jimmy Smith, if he were available.
 
Does anyone know what the Texans will do? They have a pretty solid reputation for draft day surprises :vincepalm:
 
Okoye was the consensus right pick by most experts...can't fault them for that one. Duane Brown & jackson out of left field...another story. Not saying that Brown has been bad for us so far...
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Peterson slipping out of the Top 5? With the Titans taking Prince at #8, I assume McShay has Peterson at #6 to the Browns or #7 to the 49'ers?

If it's the Browns, then probably Dareus to the 9'ers. Who's he got the Redskins taking, Julio Jones? I'd take Julio over Jimmy Smith, if he were available.
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1. Bowers
2. Fairley
3. Miller
4. Green
5. Gabbert
6. Dareus
7. Peterson
8. Amukamara
9. Watt
10. Newton
11. Jimmy Smith
12. Quinn
13. Solder
14. Jones
15. Ingram
16. Clayborn
17. Jordan
18. A. Smith
19. Tyron Smith
20. Kerrigan
21. Ayers
22. Castonzo
23. Carimi
24. Houston
25. Locker
26. Cobb
27. Pouncey
28. Watkins
29. Liuget
30. Taylor
31. Ijalana
32. Wilkerson
 
Mr teX said:
Okoye was the consensus right pick by most experts...can't fault them for that one. Duane Brown & jackson out of left field...another story. Not saying that Brown has been bad for us so far...
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Disagree on Okoye. I hated that pick from the jump. He was to young and he was a project player. The Texans were never in any position to be picking project players. Michael Griffin was available at the time and we were in a huge need of a safety. I think Willis was available at that time as well.
 
For once can we pass on the guys that have been shooting up the draft boards and take the one that has been there all along?
 
Texecutioner said:
Disagree on Okoye. I hated that pick from the jump. He was to young and he was a project player. The Texans were never in any position to be picking project players. Michael Griffin was available at the time and we were in a huge need of a safety. I think Willis was available at that time as well.
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I agree with your points. But, no huge reason to take Willis with Ryans just drafted the year before. Although Griffin and Revis were still on the board.
 
Super Mario said:
I agree with your points. But, no huge reason to take Willis with Ryans just drafted the year before. Although Griffin and Revis were still on the board.
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Easy to look at Revis in hind sight and call that one a mistake, but with CB's man they're hard to judge. Revis was a top CB that year, but I don't think any GM expected him to be that good. I never had a problem with the Texans picking Jackson. I had a problem with them doing nothing the past two off seasons prior to where "they had" to pick Jackson because they were in a corner. Jackson looked like he'd be a pretty good CB and I still think he has the potential to be.

I somewhat can agree with you on the Willis thing, but that he was a "can't miss" kind of guy as well as what Griffin looked to be like and we needed a safety bad and still do unfortunately.
 
Texecutioner said:
Disagree on Okoye. I hated that pick from the jump. He was to young and he was a project player. The Texans were never in any position to be picking project players. Michael Griffin was available at the time and we were in a huge need of a safety. I think Willis was available at that time as well.
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I hated the pick as well but it was mainly b/c i didn't think Okoye was anything special from a talent standpoint to begin with. but what i was really trying to say is i don't think anyone outside of the organization lambasted them for reaching or had Okoye way off the radar from where we actually picked him.
 
Mr teX said:
I hated the pick as well but it was mainly b/c i didn't think Okoye was anything special from a talent standpoint to begin with. but what i was really trying to say is i don't think anyone outside of the organization lambasted them for reaching or had Okoye way off the radar from where we actually picked him.
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That part is true and we did need a DT still at the time. The position was definitely one of need, but just not for a project type of player.
 
Super Mario said:
For once can we pass on the guys that have been shooting up the draft boards and take the one that has been there all along?
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Speaking of Am0bi Ok0ye.....

Seems like he came on real strong at the Senior Bowl and the Combine that year. God knows he hasn't done anything since then.

Maybe there was a few guys on the board that didn't like the pick, but I don't remember any of the Kipers or McShays having a bad word to say about the pick at the time.
 
Texecutioner said:
Disagree on Okoye. I hated that pick from the jump. He was to young and he was a project player. The Texans were never in any position to be picking project players. Michael Griffin was available at the time and we were in a huge need of a safety. I think Willis was available at that time as well.
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I agree with Texecutioner. I was against the okoye pick from the start. I was high on Willis and Griffin...pretty sure we both were.

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Mr. White said:
Speaking of Am0bi Ok0ye.....

Seems like he came on real strong at the Senior Bowl and the Combine that year. God knows he hasn't done anything since then.

Maybe there was a few guys on the board that didn't like the pick, but I don't remember any of the Kipers or McShays having a bad word to say about the pick at the time.
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Okoye is the ***** college recruit at age 19. A flat-out beast. Only problem was, he also peaked at 19, like most of the overhyped recruits.

Outside of Suh, most first round DTs haven't done much in the past five years or so.
 
Texecutioner said:
Disagree on Okoye. I hated that pick from the jump. He was to young and he was a project player. The Texans were never in any position to be picking project players. Michael Griffin was available at the time and we were in a huge need of a safety. I think Willis was available at that time as well.
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I wanted Willis at the time of the Okoye was taken. But thought OkOye wasn't a bad pick. As it turned out OkOye was an awful pick.

Looking forward this is why I hope BoB spends the $$$$ to get a vet NT that has a proven track record and Gary/Rick/Wade or whoever runs the band of idiots that the Texans call a war room. Have the foresight to draft a developmental NT like Ellis/Fua in the 3/4 th rd area.

The problem with the draft in the Kubiak era is they always draft for need early in the draft and dont draft the BPA or trade down to aquire more picks so that they are in the slot that BPA meets need. This philosiphy hasn't worked and needs to change. (I dont see it changing with the same people in charge.)

I wouldn't expect Mr.Tex to be able to understand this philosophy. Because in his eyes the Texans BoB/Gary/Rick can do no wrong. Even though their record is what it is and all of the rationalization in the world cant get around their record.

He keeps on trying though. LOL
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth


No. 11, Houston Texans

Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado

McShay says: "Kareem Jackson should make big strides in his second season, and Glover Quin should improve in his third season. It would be nice to bring in a veteran cornerback to provide depth and stability, but if the Texans are unable to do so, Smith would be a good pick for them at No. 11. A big, smooth cornerback with the strength, confidence and balance to hold up in press-man coverage, Smith could emerge as one of the most underrated players from the 2011 class."


If the Texans are Unable to bring in a veteran ?!?!?!?!? If Kubiak and Smith leave us in the same position with the kiddie CBs as they did last season and bring in another kiddie CB :vincepalm: i will have to say that they are possibly the worst Coach/GM Duo to ever run a team in the History of the NFL. Forget Drafting a CB, Resign Jason Allen, bring in a Big name CB as our Number 1, then J. Allen as our number 2. Quinn/Jackson play Nickle/Dime our Their DS on the Sidelines, they will be more help doing that than they were last season. :handshake:
 
Texecutioner said:
Disagree on Okoye. I hated that pick from the jump. He was to young and he was a project player.
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I think your take on this is right on. However, I think the point is that Okoye was the "consensus" pick. We argued about it here on the board, & I believe the majority, or at least a very close majority thought Okoye should have been the pick.


I remember that draft as the one Smithiak did what "everyone" expected them to do.

Even Cushing.... "everybody" thought we would take Matthews...... I wanted Rey-Rey.

Wilson was supposed to be our pick...... understandable by some if the Texans took McCourty. Jackson wasn't on anybody's radar.... except one guy here, maybe rmartin, maybe steelbtexans....

Brown??? who the heck was Brown, big surprise.

& of course Mario. Until the Texans said that Mario was an option, no one saw Mario as a viable #1 overall.

Whatever the Texans are going to do, it's going to surprise everyone. The only exception so far, has been Okoye....
 
thunderkyss said:
Wilson was supposed to be our pick...... understandable by some if the Texans took McCourty. Jackson wasn't on anybody's radar.... except one guy here, maybe rmartin, maybe steelbtexans....
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Nope, Jackson was not on my radar. Unfortunately, neither was McCourty. I missed the ball with him, he is looking pretty good while I wanted nothing to do with him before the draft.
 
I dont see how we take Smith over Robert Quinn.

Guy could of garnered #1 pick consideration if he hadnt been suspended.

I would take him over a player who shoots up the draft board due to workouts and not game tape.
 
mariowillshine15 said:
I dont see how we take Smith over Robert Quinn.

Guy could of garnered #1 pick consideration if he hadnt been suspended.

I would take him over a player who shoots up the draft board due to workouts and not game tape.
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Isn't Quinn more of a 4-3 DE?
 
Ndevine7 said:
yea but im sure he could transfer to a 3-4 olb
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Dont be. Its not as easy as some believe, there are many factors that come into play. How is the guy in space? How is he in the hips (flexibility)? How are his read and react skills? For example, a lot of people are talking up Kerrigan as a rush OLB. I dont see it, he is not that kind of athlete.
 
rmartin65 said:
Nope, Jackson was not on my radar. Unfortunately, neither was McCourty. I missed the ball with him, he is looking pretty good while I wanted nothing to do with him before the draft.
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I had Iupati in the 1st and Jackson in the 2nd. Iupati was already gone when it was the Texans time to pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think your take on this is right on. However, I think the point is that Okoye was the "consensus" pick. We argued about it here on the board, & I believe the majority, or at least a very close majority thought Okoye should have been the pick.


I remember that draft as the one Smithiak did what "everyone" expected them to do.

Even Cushing.... "everybody" thought we would take Matthews...... I wanted Rey-Rey.

Wilson was supposed to be our pick...... understandable by some if the Texans took McCourty. Jackson wasn't on anybody's radar.... except one guy here, maybe rmartin, maybe steelbtexans....

Brown??? who the heck was Brown, big surprise.

& of course Mario. Until the Texans said that Mario was an option, no one saw Mario as a viable #1 overall.

Whatever the Texans are going to do, it's going to surprise everyone. The only exception so far, has been Okoye....
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Smith has a chance to be the best CB in this draft. (Not that I want the Texans to take him) Holding up on a crappy team Colorada) in a pass happy confrence means the guy can obviously play. The question is how well does that transfer to the NFL?

Smith is kind of stiff in the hips. But he can run. I'm spooked off Smith if iI'm the Texans. Due to the Jackson fiasco. Jackson was a little stiff in the hips also.
 
rmartin65 said:
Nope, Jackson was not on my radar. Unfortunately, neither was McCourty. I missed the ball with him, he is looking pretty good while I wanted nothing to do with him before the draft.
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Weren't you the one who predicted the Duane Brown pick, though?
 
mariowillshine15 said:
I would welcome those choices although i think Quinn has more upside than both of them.
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If the Texans want an OLB in the 1st rd. They're in a great spot.

You could be right about Quinn. Time will tell.

Houston has the ability to become like Terrell Suggs. A.Smith has the ability to become Harrison like. Quinn has the ability to become like Haley.

There's less risk taking Houston/Smith than there is Quinn. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
If the Texans want an OLB in the 1st rd. They're in a great spot.

You could be right about Quinn. Time will tell.

Houston has the ability to become like Terrell Suggs. A.Smith has the ability to become Harrison like. Quinn has the ability to become like Haley.

There's less risk taking Houston/Smith than there is Quinn. IMHO
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If we take any of those guys and they end up as your comparisons i would do cartwheels.
 
mariowillshine15 said:
If we take any of those guys and they end up as your comparisons i would do cartwheels.
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Me too

They have the ability. It's about who will put the work in. That's what makes the draft such a crapshoot.

R.Smith gets paid alot of $$$$ to make these decisions and so far his track record is spotty at best to put it kindly. Espcially when it comes to picking defensive players. Which is the side of the ball he focuses his scouting on.

Kubiak focuses scouting the offensive side of the ball. I've read this somewhere but dont have a link.
 
steelbtexan said:
Me too

They have the ability. It's about who will put the work in. That's what makes the draft such a crapshoot.

R.Smith gets paid alot of $$$$ to make these decisions and so far his track record is spotty at best to put it kindly. Espcially when it comes to picking defensive players. Which is the side of the ball he focuses his scouting on.

Kubiak focuses scouting the offensive side of the ball. I've read this somewhere but dont have a link.
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I'm beginning to think more & more that we should take Julio in the first
 
thunderkyss said:
Even Cushing.... "everybody" thought we would take Matthews...... I wanted Rey-Rey.

Wilson was supposed to be our pick...... understandable by some if the Texans took McCourty. Jackson wasn't on anybody's radar.... except one guy here, maybe rmartin, maybe steelbtexans....

Brown??? who the heck was Brown, big surprise.
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I had Matthews ahead of Cushing, I hated the Cushing pick at the time, ate crow his rookie season and have sadly seemed vindicated since.

With Jackson, I had McCourty and then Kyle Wilson ahead of him, I had Jackson as a late 1st early 2nd round guy.

The Okoye pick I was screaming for Willis, he could have moved Ryans to Will or played the Sam, have to admit I missed on Revis.

I had Brown as a late 2nd to 3rd round prospect, not a starter from day one type.
 
rmartin65 said:
Dont be. Its not as easy as some believe, there are many factors that come into play. How is the guy in space? How is he in the hips (flexibility)? How are his read and react skills? For example, a lot of people are talking up Kerrigan as a rush OLB. I dont see it, he is not that kind of athlete.
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It depends. Demarcus Ware rushed the QB 99.98% of the time his first two years. Even now, he doesn't drop into coverage anymore than Mario did in 2009.
 
thunderkyss said:
It depends. Demarcus Ware rushed the QB 99.98% of the time his first two years. Even now, he doesn't drop into coverage anymore than Mario did in 2009.
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Yes and no. It is still a different skill set rushing the passer standing up, versus hand on the ground.
 
painekiller said:
I had Matthews ahead of Cushing, I hated the Cushing pick at the time, ate crow his rookie season and have sadly seemed vindicated since.

With Jackson, I had McCourty and then Kyle Wilson ahead of him, I had Jackson as a late 1st early 2nd round guy.
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ditto


I also believe we should take Julio if Von Miller isn't there. Julio and Von seem like the safest picks to me.
 
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