infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Matt Ryan (89.6) is a poor example. Should have gone with Flacco and Eli.
QB rating
Schaub 73.0
Flacco 73.1
Eli 69.4
Eli put Schaub to shame on INT's - 4.9% to 3.9% for Schaub.
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"Matt Schaub gives Texans best chance to win in 2014" -Marshall Faulk
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Matt Ryan (89.6) is a poor example. Should have gone with Flacco and Eli.
QB rating
Schaub 73.0
Flacco 73.1
Eli 69.4
Eli put Schaub to shame on INT's - 4.9% to 3.9% for Schaub.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Coincidentally, Matt Schaub also gives us the best chance to win the #1 pick in 2015.
Since Baltimore seems to be THE magnet with sensitivity set to all things ex-Texans I predict that Schaub will be cut from the Texans and then reunite with Kubiak, Dennison, Leach and Jacoby as a backup to Joe Flacco for the Ravens. Only question is: will it be a #8 purple jersey?
drs23
Veteran
Why would you pay McCown for two years, draft TB, then keep Schaub too? Doesn't make sense to me.
Marshall Faulk hates the Texans. I would not be surprised if this is some kind of insidious way to sabotage us!!
Honestly, though, Faulk is just a talking head now. For instance, Ted "Three Rings" Johnson is just as qualified as an opinion as Faulk, and he holds the opposite opinion from Faulk. Dude was even predicting Schaub's decline before the 2013 season and people were slamming him for it. But, turns out, he was on the mark.
Point being, I tend to think a lot of these talking heads are paid for opinions, not expertise. I truly think if any of them were experts, they'd be on staff of an NFL team. But instead, they make a nice salary just spouting opinions for our entertainment.
This is where my perspective comes from, as well. CND warned us about Schaub's condition as degenerative in 2012, and everything he said from a medical perspective braced us for the reality. iirc, I don't think Schaub's injury is one that improves, according to the good doctor, so it is possible that Schaub is not going to be consistently productive as an NFL starter again.
'eh, gotta' be careful with generalizations. Sure, there are those that shoot arrows at every chance, but there are others that try to be objective and pragmatic.
As you know, the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league. Past performances are good for reflection after retirement, but not necessarily a good way to gauge certain aspects of a player.
I would not scream bloody murder if Schaub was kept around, but I do not think it will happen. His health is certainly a concern, but I think 2013 was as much mental as it was physical for Schaub. I have no idea, but would not be surprised if O'Brien does not want to inherit the last regime's mess.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Wimp-out for Winston #2015!
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Should've kept the old staff, plan... were on the right track.
Yeah but the train was in reverse, we needed a new conductor
Considering Schaub only started half the games Ryan did.. I still think it's similar. If (& I know it's an if) Matt played the other 8 games, who knows what his numbers would have looked like. As it is, the numbers look similar enough.
The biggest difference is his TD/INT ratio, starting twice as many games could have easily got his ratio back in-line, towards his norm & two more wins.
Besides, not like I said he was worse than Schaub, I said as bad as. I can't imagine any Falcon fan saying, "I'm glad we locked this dude up, $120M well spent."
I think that would be Case.
N.D. Kalu said he was offered an opportunity to coach, but turned it down since he wanted to spend more time with his family. He knows coaches put in 14, 16 hour days on the regular & he wanted no part of that.
Marshall Faulk, being a hall of famer & known to be pretty football smart, I'd think he probably made the same decision. However, I agree. He probably doesn't know crap about evaluating QBs.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Well the stats aren't anywhere similar to most people and I guarantee that the Falcons aren't drafting a QB to start anytime soon. You're also forgetting that Schaub sucked in two other games that he didnt start in and not to mention that Ryan played in one of the tougher divisions in the NFL and lost some weapons due to injury.
Cut Ryan's numbers in half & they're pretty similar.
I understand this. That's why I said let Schaub walk. I do think in the right place that Schaub can get back to his 2012 form, but that's still not good enough. Draft T.B. and we can get back to 8-10 wins next year.
Who's got the second pick in the draft?
Does Marshall Faulk have any association with that team? Would it benefit that team at all if the Houston Texans were "set" at QB?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Ummm yeah you should put more stock into what a HOF player says over a disgruntled former teammate like Ward. Where was Ward is 2013 again? Dumb question and shines light on where your head is.
Laurie, is that you?
More Jr. High School comments?
He is not just a media guy, and he has also been one of the most vocal Schaub haters. So you are saying people who post here are worth listening to, and that Marshall Faulk is a windbag, is that it? You people are hilarious. So if O'Brien does not agree with you and Schab somehow remains on the team what will you say then? O'Brien is crazy and does not know what he is doing? You sure seem to know allot about what Faulk and O'Brien think and do. It must be a terrible burden to be so smart.
Typical response from you. Fat Jokes? Really? First of all, perhaps you missed the title of the thread. I did not say that, a HOF player who has been anti-Schaub said it. I love how you all try to destroy Faulk's character and discount what he says just because it does not align with your opinion. It's the same thing you do to anyone on this board who is not a knee jerk, know it all like yourself.
I simply reported what Faulk said. You are turning this into a personal attack because you know Faulk has more football knowledge, and credibility than you do. I don't understand your fascination with trying to run me down and talk as if you are somehow enlightened, and I am some idiot with no clue, but you don't hear me whining about it.
But thank goodness we have experts like you on here pontificating endlessly on how they know best.
Yea he threw pick 6's. It happens. It just so happens that it happened at a record setting pace during those games. It does not mean it would have continued to happen had he been allowed to play through it.
Keenum did great things? When? Where? You must have been watching a different Case Keenum than I was. Upside is a buzzword people use when they have no real world evidence to show regarding their player. Upside, or potential do not win games. Experience does, and Schaub has plenty of it, and before his pick-6-o-thon he was considered by many to be a top tier QB. Just because he had a bad year does not mean he is done, no matter what you message board experts say. Many of you said Kubiak was finished too, a washed up has been that the NFL had passed by.
If we only had more experts like you, the NFL would be so much more fun to watch. How NFL owners have not discovered you yet is beyond me. I guess the world is just not very fair.
burro
probably drunk
Faulk is underestimating the mental aspect of Schaub's bad season...ffs the guy spent half of the season alone on the sideline, staring off into space with his helmet on and had grown a badly neglected hobo beard by week 17.
He needs a fresh start...far away from here and specter of 2013, or he could leave football entirely (I wouldn't blame him for feeling jaded). Either way, I can't think of a worse person to start at QB for the Texans in 2014, in terms of moving beyond the surreal nightmare of this past season, than Matt Schaub.
He needs a fresh start...far away from here and specter of 2013, or he could leave football entirely (I wouldn't blame him for feeling jaded). Either way, I can't think of a worse person to start at QB for the Texans in 2014, in terms of moving beyond the surreal nightmare of this past season, than Matt Schaub.
Nawzer
Alienz
Don't worry, I'll be sending in my resume to the Texans if they bring back Schaub. They clearly could use some of my help.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Oh yes, clearly they need your help. What was McNair thinking hiring O'Brien when he had you sitting right here. What an idiot McNair is.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I am not!
Oh! you're talking to that other Marshall. Never Mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
..What are you talking about?
First of all.. I'm sorry my "fat camp" joke/analogy offended you, but I don't subscribe to being PC. If that hurts your feelings, sorry. Grow thicker skin.
Second, why do you think I tried to "destroy Faulk's character and discount what he says".. Please tell me where the hell I even mentioned Faulk's name, much less tried to destroy his character in any post that I have made in this thread or on this board? Please do, I'll be sitting here waiting. But if you want me to talk about him.. I don't doubt he has more football knowledge than I ever will. That still doesn't mean he's right about this topic and that "Schaub gives the Texans the best chance to win in 2014".. Because nobody knows that right now, the freaking draft hasn't even taken place, much less FA
Third, How did I turn this into a "personal attack" when I didn't even quote your post or respond to it, and the only mention I even made about you was mentioning on how you seem emotionally driven in your defense of Matt Schaub. That isn't a "personal attack". It's a simple observation and not one that isn't outlandish by the way you freak out and post some of the crap that you do against anybody who says anything (and I mean anything) critical of Schaub.
You want to accuse people of personnel attacks.. you didn't even finish that sentence without giving one and never once in this thread did I "talk about how I'm enlightened or how you're a idiot with no clue", stop being so sensitive anytime somebody doesn't think Schaub is god or has a difference of opinion with you.
Holy crap.
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Nawzer
Alienz
Nah I got nothing against O'Brien...yet. He seems like a smart fellow (like myself
). The 2013 season or as I like to call it: "How Not to Play Football". A romantic thriller comedy documentary featuring Gary Kubiak and Matt Schaub will show O'Brien that Schaub clearly has forgotten how to play the QB position. His next stop should probably be retirement and enjoy playing golf for the rest of his life. But he'll get another shot at a backup job somewhere, I don't care where as long as it's not here.What reason would ward have to be disgruntled with Schaub? Sounds like you're making up a narrative. Glad dbarrell brought up Ted johnson, I'd forgotten about him and Seth Payne and nd kalu and Greg koch.
Yes someone definitely has there head somewhere.
I see you have some kind of weirdness going on with Schaub and this isn't a real conversation so I'll just leave this one right here.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Ward is obviously disgruntled because he isn't a HOFer and doesn't have a cable TV position so he doesn't know as much as Faulk, having a HOF ring and talking on T.V. gives you more insight over actually being a guy's teammate and knowing him personally.
Jaytrajik
Practice Squad
I'd be okay with trading the 1st pick for a king's ransom and playing Schaub sans Kubiak's micro management for one year. A lot of those costly interceptions came at the expense of running Kubiak's lame pre-scripted system. I'd like to see how Schaub would do if given free reign to run the offense.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
It's like a win-win situation without any actual winning taking place.
It would be pretty darn amazing to see that kind of epic asshattery take place. I can't deny it.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
How can a statement like this be made when we haven't even hit free agency or the draft yet?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Schaub's lack of athleticism restricted him more in this offense than Kubiak's play calling ever did. Granted he should of been allowed to check out of more plays, but Schaub will always be limited in any offense he runs.
It happens when you're done as a player. As Schaub is.
Didn't you bring the subject up? No one other than yourself thinks Schaub returning is even a remote possibility.
The End.
Sounds to me that Marshall Faulk doesn't think the Texans have much of a chance to win much in 2014 with that statement.
Personally I think he's wrong. Good rookies QBs can win immediately in the league now. A solid rookie will be a big upgrade over Schaub.
Schaub is done here. I think his teammates are done with him and the fans have been done with him for a while now.
It will be best for both parties for him to move on. Maybe with a change of scenery Schaub can still do some good things for a team, however that's not going to be in Houston.
Personally I think he's wrong. Good rookies QBs can win immediately in the league now. A solid rookie will be a big upgrade over Schaub.
Schaub is done here. I think his teammates are done with him and the fans have been done with him for a while now.
It will be best for both parties for him to move on. Maybe with a change of scenery Schaub can still do some good things for a team, however that's not going to be in Houston.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Question. If our rookie QB (assuming we draft one in the first round) gives us at least Ryan Tannehill production (keep in mind Tannehill has an absolutely **** offensive line, 11th most sacked QB of all time in 2013) his first two seasons, would that be considered success or failure? I'm using Tannehill as a baseline because out of the three QBs drafted in the top ten of 2012 Draft's Luck class of QBs, he has been the least successful.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
What are you talking about?
First of all.. I'm sorry my "fat camp" joke/analogy offended you, but I don't subscribe to being PC. If that hurts your feelings, sorry. Grow thicker skin.
Second, why do you think I tried to "destroy Faulk's character and discount what he says".. Please tell me where the hell I even mentioned Faulk's name, much less tried to destroy his character in any post that I have made in this thread or on this board? Please do, I'll be sitting here waiting. But if you want me to talk about him.. I don't doubt he has more football knowledge than I ever will. That still doesn't mean he's right about this topic and that "Schaub gives the Texans the best chance to win in 2014".. Because nobody knows that right now, the freaking draft hasn't even taken place, much less FA
Third, How did I turn this into a "personal attack" when I didn't even quote your post or respond to it, and the only mention I even made about you was mentioning on how you seem emotionally driven in your defense of Matt Schaub. That isn't a "personal attack". It's a simple observation and not one that isn't outlandish by the way you freak out and post some of the crap that you do against anybody who says anything (and I mean anything) critical of Schaub.
You want to accuse people of personnel attacks.. you didn't even finish that sentence without giving one and never once in this thread did I "talk about how I'm enlightened or how you're a idiot with no clue", stop being so sensitive anytime somebody doesn't think Schaub is god or has a difference of opinion with you.
Holy crap.
First off it did not offend me, it's just so juvenile and a really pi$$ poor analogy that's all. I never asked you to be PC, just realistic, but it's clear that is something you are not capable of.
Secondly, if you are looking for examples of your character attacks look no further than a post you made right after this gem (See below) where you mock the fact that Faulk is a HOF player and happens to have a cable TV job, and then go on to say that Ward somehow has more insight because he played two seasons with Schaub.
Perhaps it is my short coming, but I tend to listen to someone like Faulk over a journeyman like Ward. You insinuate that because they were teammates, Ward has some additional insight, and that a career backup running backs opinion is somehow on par with, or superior to that of Marshall Faulk. And yeah I am sure Schaub and Ward hung out all the time. Mrs. Schaub probably had Ward over for dinner all the time right?
For the record I never said Faulk was right. I simply created a thread to discuss his opinion, and quote what he said in a video. You are making this thread about me, instead of about what Faulk said, who after all is the one who said it, not me. I am not emotionally driven in my defense of Schaub. In fact I do not remember defending him at all in this thread.
The fact that I bring him up, or have a differing opinion than yours, leads you to believe I have an emotional attachment, or desire to defend Schaub. This is because you think you are the majority opinion regarding Schaub, and you cannot fathom how someone like me refuses to join the bandwagon mentality regarding Schaub. You think everyone else thinks like you, (or at least should) and if they don't, something is wrong with them, and whatever they post is crap.
All of your posts are personal attacks. Unless of course you are are agreeing with a like minded fan, or they you. If someone has an alternate view, you attempt to belittle them, and prop yourself up as some sort of expert on every issue related to the Texans.
You say "It's a simple observation and not one that isn't outlandish by the way you freak out and post some of the crap that you do against anybody who says anything (and I mean anything) critical of Schaub." labeling my posts as "crap" because they are opposite of yours, but you are not turning this into a personal attack are you? And if I "Freaked Out" at "Anybody" who says "Anything" critical of Schaub, I would have as many posts as you do because we all know how many posts there are bashing Schaub on this board, but since I don't, it is reasonable to believe that you are just exaggerating and really just dismayed that someone could have an opposite view than you, because after all, you are the last word when it comes to football, and more importantly the Houston Texans right?
You and I both know you do not have to actually type the words 'enlightened" or "Idiot" to imply them. And I have read enough of your posts to know how you operate.
God? Another exaggeration eh? Your propensity to blow everything out of proportion is staggering. Possibly compensating for something I suppose. Be that as it may, it does not change the fact that it is you who is overreacting to my post, and reading into it things I never said or suggested.
Ward is obviously disgruntled because he isn't a HOFer and doesn't have a cable TV position so he doesn't know as much as Faulk, having a HOF ring and talking on T.V. gives you more insight over actually being a guy's teammate and knowing him personally.
See above
Well who knows why? Why else would he make such comments? Maybe Schaub made him his b|tch... I don't know, but from experience, those kinds of comments after an exit are often because some kind of grudge, rather than any real insight into the player himself.
Ward retired in 2012 after nobody wanted him, even though he played well for the Texans the previous year. But I am supposed to give more weight to his opinion than Marshall Faulk's because they played together right? Or is it because Ward is a QB guru and knows what a championship QB is? I am certain I could find many, many more players that have played with, or against Schaub who would disagree with Mr. Wards comments. No? One former player speaking ill of Schaub does not impress me.
This "weirdness going on with Schaub" you speak of is the same exact problem, your buddy Mr. Bombed has. It's a differing opinion, and it's not like all of my whole 300+ post are about Schaub. I just get tired of the same old BS guys like you spew about Matt Schaub so i speak up. No crime in that, and nothing weird about it. I know that is hard for you to understand, because your bandwagon mentality tells you everyone should fall in line with the way you think. Sorry dude, I do my own thinking.
It happens when you're done as a player. As Schaub is.
Didn't you bring the subject up? No one other than yourself thinks Schaub returning is even a remote possibility.
The End.
Didn't you say the same thing about Kubiak? In regards to Schaub coming back. I never said anything of the sort. I asked for discussion on the topic based on what a former player said in a video interview with Vandemeer.
But I think if you actually read the entire thread, you will see there are some who would entertain the idea under several circumstances, so trying to make me out to be the lone nut job when I never even said he should, or would come back is pretty funny.
I have to ask though, if it is not even a remote possibility. why hasn't Schaub been cut yet? Is there some advantage to holding onto a washed up player who is done in the NFL that I am not aware of? I know... Maybe the Texans want other teams to think they may keep him so they will practice for him? No? Perhaps they are trying to drive up his trade value? No that can't be it, because as you said, he is done in the NFL.
Maybe it is some super secret coaching technique that "The Hoody" taught O'Brien?
Oh by the way, thanks for writing "The End" at the end of your post. It sure was a powerful way to end that insightful commentary. Thanks again.
Scooter
Funky
schaub's done. i've taken a lot of heat for supporting schaub through the years, and had kubiak stayed here i might agree that he'd be our best chance to win. the system is changing drastically though and matt's strength, his mastery of the playbook, is gone. matt plays horribly when he's uncomfortable. between a new system, trying to press to redeem himself, and the foot that will deteriorate during the season - he's going to be very uncomfortable. matt's not going to be on the roster.
if given the chance, i think the most exciting player going into next season will be case keenum. as i've said before, case was NOT supposed to play last season. he wasnt ready. he was still adjusting to the game and wasnt even close to having matt schaub's playbook familiarized. instead case had a paint by numbers series of plays added week by week that didnt seem at all to have kubiak's full attention. i strongly feel that if he spends the offseason and camps with his own playbook and the corresponding reps in practice, and now this game experience, he can be very successful.
if given the chance, i think the most exciting player going into next season will be case keenum. as i've said before, case was NOT supposed to play last season. he wasnt ready. he was still adjusting to the game and wasnt even close to having matt schaub's playbook familiarized. instead case had a paint by numbers series of plays added week by week that didnt seem at all to have kubiak's full attention. i strongly feel that if he spends the offseason and camps with his own playbook and the corresponding reps in practice, and now this game experience, he can be very successful.
Some of the Schaub commentary sounds awfully familiar...
...oh now I remember. It smacks of the same sort of venom that was directed toward Jacoby Jones and Brad Lidge and (to a lesser extent) Trindon Holliday...
I will watch with interest to see if Schaub is cut and subsequently picked up by some other team. The fiscal part of me says he'll be cut - probably on June 1st.
We'll see.
...oh now I remember. It smacks of the same sort of venom that was directed toward Jacoby Jones and Brad Lidge and (to a lesser extent) Trindon Holliday...
I will watch with interest to see if Schaub is cut and subsequently picked up by some other team. The fiscal part of me says he'll be cut - probably on June 1st.
We'll see.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Still making excuses for Keenum? Keenum spent the entire previous year on the Texans practice squad, and if he didn't know the playbook after 1 1/2 years before his number was called, he never will.
In my "crap" opinion, O'Brien is not going to hitch his wagon to Keenum any more than he is going to hitch it to Schaub. Both are most likely gone, and aside from a few nice TD passes, I did not see anything all that exciting about Keenum, unless you like watching 20 yard losses on sacks, or fumbles. He certainly did not even come close to living up to the hype you guys threw out there.
Whatever happens, I will be glad when it does finally happen because this "Matt Schaub is the worst QB in the world", "Case Keenum has an Aura about him", "draft Johnny Football" schtick is getting super stale.
Scooter
Funky
taking sheets of paper home is not the same as getting to know the playbook. as you said, keenum spent the previous year on the practice squad. in 2013 he was the 3rd stringer and lowest qb on the roster before being thrust into the starting role. when did he get time with the 1's? when did he get any attention from the coaching staff? when did he get to work on schaub's playbook - while at the same time working as the scout team quarterback? he didnt. the only time he saw a starter's practice and got to work on the playbook on the field was half way through the season, in a decision obviously not supported by the head coach.
i sound like a homer, that's fine, i got the same accusation when voicing my support of schaub and stand by those opinions at the time. following the jump from college to practice squad to 3rd string and then starter i saw a ton of growth from keenum as well as loads of potential. of course o'brien would be crazy to hitch his wagon to keenum, an unproven UDFA who went winless last year. i think he'd be crazy to not give him a real shot with the 1's in camp though. case has a phenomenal skill set that i believe will translate to being a successful pro if given the necessary support.
you seem to be getting a bit agitated about this discussion bud, dont let the offseason get to you.
i sound like a homer, that's fine, i got the same accusation when voicing my support of schaub and stand by those opinions at the time. following the jump from college to practice squad to 3rd string and then starter i saw a ton of growth from keenum as well as loads of potential. of course o'brien would be crazy to hitch his wagon to keenum, an unproven UDFA who went winless last year. i think he'd be crazy to not give him a real shot with the 1's in camp though. case has a phenomenal skill set that i believe will translate to being a successful pro if given the necessary support.
you seem to be getting a bit agitated about this discussion bud, dont let the offseason get to you.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
taking sheets of paper home is not the same as getting to know the playbook. as you said, keenum spent the previous year on the practice squad. in 2013 he was the 3rd stringer and lowest qb on the roster before being thrust into the starting role. when did he get time with the 1's? when did he get any attention from the coaching staff? when did he get to work on schaub's playbook - while at the same time working as the scout team quarterback? he didnt. the only time he saw a starter's practice and got to work on the playbook on the field was half way through the season, in a decision obviously not supported by the head coach.
i sound like a homer, that's fine, i got the same accusation when voicing my support of schaub and stand by those opinions at the time. following the jump from college to practice squad to 3rd string and then starter i saw a ton of growth from keenum as well as loads of potential. of course o'brien would be crazy to hitch his wagon to keenum, an unproven UDFA who went winless last year. i think he'd be crazy to not give him a real shot with the 1's in camp though. case has a phenomenal skill set that i believe will translate to being a successful pro if given the necessary support.
you seem to be getting a bit agitated about this discussion bud, dont let the offseason get to you.
I guess that is one of the problems with text, or perhaps I do not emote enough, but I am not upset at all. I am not being hostile towards you, or anyone else for that matter.
You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect it, but I thought we were supposed to discuss things on a discussion board?
I thought it was a mistake to throw Keenum in there, but I will also admit I do not think he has the skill set you think he does. I assume, and yeah I know what assuming gets you, (I watched Benny Hill growing up) that you are basing your analysis on Keenum's college career. That is where I have a problem.
In college you face 1-3 great players on a team you play week in and week out. In the NFL, they are all the best of the best. Even the worst player is better than most players Keenum faced in college, so usually that skill set is not what it was in college, and it is like starting all over again, trying to catch up with the speed of the pro game.
Unless you were a hand picked #1 draft pick, nobody is going to give you all the time you need to develop because this is a win now league. So a UDFA better be ready when his number is called, and he better light it up regardless of other circumstances, and Keenum did not do that.
Regardless of what many of the couch GM's on this message board say, the people who get paid to scout and evaluate players are generally pretty good at it, which is why they are getting paid to do it, and others are here talking about what should have been done.
It is going to be a painfully long off season, but I do not let anything anyone says to me here get to me, no matter how it might seem from how some of you are reading my posts. My opinions mean about as much as anyone else'. That's jack squat. Neither McNair, O'Brien, or any of their minions are reading this message board looking for great ideas to use.
I created this thread to engage in discussion about what Marshall Faulk said, but instead I just got the same venomous hatred from the usual suspects who are not interested in discussion. No skin off my back, and I won't lose any sleep over it, but I will continue to call BS when I see it, much to the dismay of the a fore mentioned crowd.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Nah I got nothing against O'Brien...yet. He seems like a smart fellow (like myself
Anakin, your anger has turned you to the dark side.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I think he is:
1. A better QB than most give him credit for.
2. Will be cut.
3. He will not be a June 1 cut. (For reasons I have expressed in other threads.)
4. He will not be signed as a starter because of this age, but might start due to injury and perform well without the season long grind effects of his injury.
5. Should be remembered fondly for what he has done prior to last season.
ps Yes, it is an extremely familiar chorus of ingratitude.
The 2013 league season is not over. The Texans do not have the cap room available to cut Matt Schaub until the league 2014 season starts. Which they promptly will on March 11th, the beginning of the new league year.
So yes, there is a lot about the NFL you are not aware of. And I don't know if you are the "lone nut job" or not. What I do know is that you are Schaub's most ardent fan here. A Schaub fan first. A Texan fan? Maybe, maybe not.
Blake
MMQB
This.
I had a temporary brain bleed and was thinking, keep Schaub if you dont take a top QB in the draft for 2014. But if Schaub could benefit from a fresh start somewhere else, then I can only assume another vet QB could do the same in Houston. Josh McCown may be the best bet if we can get a deal that works for both parties.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Ok well that is good to know, as I did not know that. Have a link to that by any chance? So you have been notified of what moves the Texans are making and when? Wow I had no idea you were so connected. Oh, and that was ONE thing if it turns out to be true. How did you stretch that into "A Lot" I don't know?
Questioning whether or not I am a Texans fan is beyond ridiculous. Don't be a douche.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Sometimes a player and a team reach a point where there's not much left to accomplish together. At some point you've seen everything there is to see out of this player on that team. In other cases a player wears his welcome out with the fans and the team realizes that they simply can't roll that guy out again. Just for the record I don't really think that the reply that's coming to tell me that teams don't ditch QB's because of what stupid fans think is really worth answering so lets just accept that someone is going to say it and that I think that someone is a ****ing moron. Teams are businesses and they ultimately know that their product has to appeal to the fans = customers That's why they try so hard sometimes to get player "a" and conversely it's why they walk away from player "b" every now and then.
I'm not sure that Matt Schaub is in a "bad marriage" with the Texans. With the team making so many changes I don't know for certain if his departure is a given or if it's even necessary. The majority of the skills are still there (to the extent that they've ever been "there") and I don't think that the clearly limited mobility just flat out can't be coached around. It's possible that we could see something more out of Matt Schaub in a different system. That doesn't really matter though.
I don't think he's gone because of that. I think he's gone because of the nature of the mistakes he was making last year before he was eventually benched. Those pick-sixes were the kind of mental errors that players start to make when they can't get into whatever groove they need to be in to perform. Sometimes a benching can snap a guy out of it and indeed Schaub didn't come back and continue making quite the number of mistakes or kind of mistakes he'd been making. He came back after Keenum looking "better" (I guess is the word) than he did earlier in the year but not really fixed.
Now the question is could even Matt Schaub at his best have righted that ship and I'm going to say the answer to that is no. By the time he got back on the field again the team was in quit-mode. It's a major contributor to Keenum's 0-'fer record and diminishing performance and it's the reason why Matt's better play didn't translate into better results. Keep in mind I'm not saying Matt played well. he just didn't throw games completely away like a madman as he'd been doing.
Does OB see this? Does he care? Are the Texans focused on winning right now at the risk of further angering their customers who were burning jerseys and generally making asses of themselves much of last season over Matt Schaub (Don't get offended, I mean me too)?
I think the Texans might have been willing to fly in the face of conventional wisdom and bring him back if not for the potential monetary savings and if not for the fans turning so completely on him. He might possibly be the best chance the Texans have to win in 2014 but we'll never know because he's going to be cut and he should be. It makes the most business sense and the team quit on Matt. That really happened. His play was so bad at those "fixed point" moments that everyone focuses on and remembers that the defense was (I think) very close to vocally turning on the offense. That's why Gary was fired. That's why everything changed. That's why OB is here and that's why Matt cannot be anymore.
It's time for the next stage in the Texans existence. Nobody is going to make any kind of push to stop that from happening. Faulk makes real sense but sometimes that doesn't matter. The ship has sailed.
I'm not sure that Matt Schaub is in a "bad marriage" with the Texans. With the team making so many changes I don't know for certain if his departure is a given or if it's even necessary. The majority of the skills are still there (to the extent that they've ever been "there") and I don't think that the clearly limited mobility just flat out can't be coached around. It's possible that we could see something more out of Matt Schaub in a different system. That doesn't really matter though.
I don't think he's gone because of that. I think he's gone because of the nature of the mistakes he was making last year before he was eventually benched. Those pick-sixes were the kind of mental errors that players start to make when they can't get into whatever groove they need to be in to perform. Sometimes a benching can snap a guy out of it and indeed Schaub didn't come back and continue making quite the number of mistakes or kind of mistakes he'd been making. He came back after Keenum looking "better" (I guess is the word) than he did earlier in the year but not really fixed.
Now the question is could even Matt Schaub at his best have righted that ship and I'm going to say the answer to that is no. By the time he got back on the field again the team was in quit-mode. It's a major contributor to Keenum's 0-'fer record and diminishing performance and it's the reason why Matt's better play didn't translate into better results. Keep in mind I'm not saying Matt played well. he just didn't throw games completely away like a madman as he'd been doing.
Does OB see this? Does he care? Are the Texans focused on winning right now at the risk of further angering their customers who were burning jerseys and generally making asses of themselves much of last season over Matt Schaub (Don't get offended, I mean me too)?
I think the Texans might have been willing to fly in the face of conventional wisdom and bring him back if not for the potential monetary savings and if not for the fans turning so completely on him. He might possibly be the best chance the Texans have to win in 2014 but we'll never know because he's going to be cut and he should be. It makes the most business sense and the team quit on Matt. That really happened. His play was so bad at those "fixed point" moments that everyone focuses on and remembers that the defense was (I think) very close to vocally turning on the offense. That's why Gary was fired. That's why everything changed. That's why OB is here and that's why Matt cannot be anymore.
It's time for the next stage in the Texans existence. Nobody is going to make any kind of push to stop that from happening. Faulk makes real sense but sometimes that doesn't matter. The ship has sailed.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Just when I thought that this was going to be a boring offseason around here because everyone was on the same page....
I just read 5 pages of a ridiculous argument over a moot point and was pretty entertained. I'll be really impressed if you can keep up this pace for another day or two.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Who said we were not all on the same page? Once again I did not say Schaub was the Texans best chance to win in 2014, Marshall Faulk did. I think it is safe to say Schaub's days in Houston are over. And I have also said in other posts that it was time to change. I also said I would get behind whomever is selected to lead the Texans.
It's everyone else trying to make it out like I made the comment, and am suggesting Schaub should get another chance. Which never happened. Personally I think some of these guys feelings are hurt because of some of the things I said about their hero Case Keenum, and him not being able to muster even a single win has them a bit touchy. After all they all swore he would light it up. They were also the same crowd who said if the Texans had a mobile QB, our problems were solved. Some of the same dudes also said Kubiak was done, and would never work in the NFL again.
Rick Smith still has a job, so I wouldn't that just because they're employed doesn't mean everybody on the Texans staff is good at scouting/finding talent/managing the cap etc.....