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Marlon Greenwood Signed!

Agreed on the move for Wong. We've all been waiting for the day Wong would move back inside. He's better there anyways. So now you got Peek, Greenwood, Sharper, Babin and Wong all rotating in and out of the linebacker positions. Excellent!
 
And holy shz did you guys overpay him. $7 million signing bonus for an average LB? Wow. I don't want to hear any cracks about us overpaying for Hayward. At least Hayward makes plays.
 
This probably moves ILB down on our draft needs. I still wouldn't be surprised to see us take one though.
 
This is good news, now the only thing we have to do is focus on improving the D-line and the CB position through the draft :thumbup
 
Actually it sounds like Wong is getting moved inside and Greenwood might move outside. So I guess this projects to:

Outside Babin (L), Greenwood (R)
Inside Wong, Sharper

with Foreman and Peek as the top backups. Not sure who would play left and right on the inside this season.
 
I don't know if this is good news or not. I'm not real familiar with this guy. He seems small for the outside (6' 238 lbs). Could be a play maker like Dat Nguyen though. I would rather have seen us pursue Hartwell or K. Bell.
 
TheOgre said:
Actually it sounds like Wong is getting moved inside and Greenwood might move outside. So I guess this projects to:

Outside Babin (L), Greenwood (R)
Inside Wong, Sharper

with Foreman and Peek as the top backups. Not sure who would play left and right on the inside this season.
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You think so? Maybe its my wishful thinking but if anything I think this shoves Wong into a backup role (eventhough espn says otherwise). Peek is ready to hold the job on his own on the outside IMO. I think you need to use a guy like Wong both inside and out and you keep guys like greenwood and sharper stuffing the run in the middle. Then again I'm no coach. :whew
 
bckey said:
I don't know if this is good news or not. I'm not real familiar with this guy. He seems small for the outside (6' 238 lbs). Could be a play maker like Dat Nguyen though. I would rather have seen us pursue Hartwell or K. Bell.
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Again I really don't think we're using him on the outside, but if we do, he played it succesfully in Miami.
 
4.5 million average for 5 years is alot for a non probowl player, lets hope they did their research because being a linebacker on the worst team in the league doesn't get you noticed.

He has a cap hit of just under 2 million for this year.
 
Bayern said:
You think so? Maybe its my wishful thinking but if anything I think this shoves Wong into a backup role (eventhough espn says otherwise). Peek is ready to hold the job on his own on the outside IMO. I think you need to use a guy like Wong both inside and out and you keep guys like greenwood and sharper stuffing the run in the middle. Then again I'm no coach. :whew
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Remember the five year plan?... It's important to think about the 2006 lineup when looking at this deal... Peek, Babin on the outside and Greenwood, Sharper? on the inside... Wong, Foreman, and maybe Sharper will all be gone next year. He'll likely replace Foreman this year as the starter and Wong will share time and backup all 4 Lb positions.
 
jacquescas said:
4.5 million average for 5 years is alot for a non probowl player, lets hope they did their research because being a linebacker on the worst team in the league doesn't get you noticed.

He has a cap hit of just under 2 million for this year.
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$7 million bonus over 5 years isn't much. I'd rather have my team looking for young improving players with potential to sign to 5 year deals, than signing aged veterans like Hugh Douglas to big deals... Obviously, our scouts and coaches like this guy and think he'll be worth it. We'll see soon enough.
 
I'm thinking that this might shake out with Babin and Peek on the outsides starting. With Sharper and either Wong/Greenwood starting at the other ILB position. Then that would leave both Polk and Wong/Greenwood as depth at ILB, and Charlie Anderson and perhaps a Merriman/Ware/Goddard (wishful thinking) as depth at our other OLB position. In this scenario Foreman would get the axe, and be out looking for work. I think this signing may be a more of an indicator of what will happen next offseason. They might be experimenting with Greenwood so they'll be able to let Wong go.

What intrigues me is having Wong and Greenwood who are both good in coverage, and also having Sharper who is pretty good too. Polk is okay, and Foreman blows. I wonder which LBs will be in when it's a nickle situation. You always want Sharper on the field, but who's better in coverage Greenwood or Wong? Babin and Peek would likely be in as DEs.
 
texasguy346 said:
I'm thinking that this might shake out with Babin and Peek on the outsides starting. With Sharper and either Wong/Greenwood starting at the other ILB position. Then that would leave both Polk and Wong/Greenwood as depth at ILB, and Charlie Anderson and perhaps a Merriman/Ware/Goddard (wishful thinking) as depth at our other OLB position. QUOTE]

Oh jeez.... we would be ridiculously strong at the linebacker position :thumbup
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Wong has a 2005 cap hit of $4,400,000 and is in the last year of his deal. He may not be around after this year. Wong didn't do to well inside when he was in last year and looked lost when he replaced Foreman. I'm not sure he has enough speed for the coverage responsiblities. We may not have Foreman and Wong as our core linebackers after this season.
 
Vinny said:
Wong has a 2005 cap hit of $4,400,000 and is in the last year of his deal. He may not be around after this year. Wong didn't do to well inside when he was in last year and looked lost when he replaced Foreman. I'm not sure he has enough speed for the coverage responsiblities. We may not have Foreman and Wong as our core linebackers after this season.
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Losing both of those guys is fine with me. Wong plays smart ball but he's hardly a show stopper, Foreman just sucks.
 
The contract is worth $22.5 million and includes a $7 million signing bonus. Greenwood will earn salaries of $540,000 (for 2005), $2.56 million (2006), $3.4 million (2007), $4 million (2008) and $5 million (2009). Those salaries include $100,000 workout bonuses for some seasons.

Are they nuts? That is way too much for this guy. He better turn into Ray Lewis Jr. The first yr is fine, but a 5 million dollar salary for an average LB? Maybe I am way underestimating him. Time will tell. But, as of right now, I don't like that deal. His agent held up the Texans. Someone had too much cafeine. :wacko:
 
Why? Foreman and Wong both make as much or more in the next two years. Perhaps the Texans evaluate talent better than you do. This is a guy who is just entering his peak years. People are quick to complain around here.
 
This is a pretty bad signing if you ask me. Babin - Sharper - Wong - Peek would have been a damn good enough core of LBs, especially given the fact that noone in the division is even close to that strong(spare maybe TEN).This money and about an extra mil off the Payne signing could have landed us either a solid #2 WR or a decent CB. I dont really have a problem with the Payne signing(other than it being a LITTLE high) since we had NO NTs on the roster but this was a bad, bad signing.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
This is a pretty bad signing if you ask me. Babin - Sharper - Wong - Peek would have been a damn good enough core of LBs, especially given the fact that noone in the division is even close to that strong(spare maybe TEN).
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We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers.

on all these negative posts in general (not you specifically wildbeardude) How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
 
Porky said:
The first yr is fine, but a 5 million dollar salary for an average LB?
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He'll never see the $5 million salary in '09. Either Greenwood will have his contract extended and turn the $5 mil into a bonus, or he'll be released. In fact, it will be cheaper to release Morlon than keep him in '08. I see this deal as a 3 year, $13.5 million contract.
 
Vinny said:
How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
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I'm being positive about this signing and the way the offseason is going Vinny :) I would be even more happy if we could sign Travis Taylor to compliment Andre and draft Marcus Spears to replace Gary Walker :thumbup
 
yah.. he is young and has plenty of upside. he wont see the large part of his contract unless he DOES turn into a pro bowl LB. if he doesnt, we will get rid of him and not lose to much money doing it.

It was a good deal. I like how our LBs are shaping up. I like Wong too but lets face it.. he isnt the total package. he CAN be upgraded and Greenwood may be that guy. If nothing else.. it looks like Greenwood could be either an OLB or an ILB for us.. so we will just have to see where he ends up.

I like this signing.
 
Vinny said:
We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers. How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
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Which is exactly the point. Peek and Babin are fine, high octane pass rushing/run stopping OLBs.Both very young and need time on the field to progress. Wong can also more than move in when necessary. You then use Sharper as a clog when the others blitz.

You then save the money from this bad signing and get something to help out the offense.Psssst here's a stat for you, 21st in points scored, "only" 15th in Points allowed.
 
Vinny said:
We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers.
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I agree. I think you can never have enough good LBs in a 3-4. Outside of our starters we need some good backups to be able to rotate in from time to time, and to be able to have an equally good LB ready to come in if a starter goes down with an injury.
 
Can't remember who, but there was someone around here that was big on wrestlers. From the announcement on the home page:

He was also the New York state wrestling champion in the 215-pound weight class.
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From the Official Site:
HOUSTON – The Houston Texans have agreed to a contract with unrestricted free agent LB Morlon Greenwood, it was announced today.

Greenwood (6-0, 238) started 15-of-16 games and recorded a career high 129 tackles for the Miami Dolphins in 2004. Greenwood finished second on the team in total tackles while leading the Dolphins in tackles in three separate contests. He recorded a season high 15 tackles during the Dolphins' 24-17 win at San Francisco.

The former Syracuse Orangeman was selected in the third round (88th overall) of the 2001 NFL draft. Greenwood moved into the starting lineup against the New England Patriots where he started the final 12 games during his rookie season, recording 70 tackles and his career best 1.5 sacks.

As a member of the Dolphins, Greenwood contributed to a defense ranked in the top-10 for each of the four years he played with the team. He has amassed 354 total tackles in 62 games, starting 52 games at strongside linebacker.

Entering his fifth season, Greenwood looks to make the transition from playing in a 4-3 system to a 3-4 with the Texans. He played middle and outside linebacker during his four years at Syracuse where he was named first-team All Big East during his junior and senior season, posting 187 tackles during those two seasons.

Greenwood was born in Jamaica and moved to Long Island, N.Y. when he was 11 years old. He began playing football during his junior year of high school. He went on to earn all-state honors at Freeport High School during his senior season. He was also the New York state wrestling champion in the 215-pound weight class.
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texasguy346 said:
I agree. I think you can never have enough good LBs in a 3-4. Outside of our starters we need some good backups to be able to rotate in from time to time, and to be able to have an equally good LB ready to come in if a starter goes down with an injury.
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Which is all well and good, but you dont pay backups 5 for 22. If you plug him in as a starter, then either you force a good young player to the bench or you bench Wong and have another expensive backup.
 
I like the signing. We have some big question marks about the LB position comming up after the 2005 season. The fact that the Texans are preparing for that now is great to me. We need depth at LB; anyone could get hurt...then what. The contract is backloaded so nobody should worry about those last few years unless he is worth the money. I think we should still try and draft a good ILB prospect because we may loose some guys in the next few years.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Which is exactly the point. Peek and Babin are fine, high octane pass rushing/run stopping OLBs.Both very young and need time on the field to progress. Wong can also more than move in when necessary. You then use Sharper as a clog when the others blitz.

You then save the money from this bad signing and get something to help out the offense.Psssst here's a stat for you, 21st in points scored, "only" 15th in Points allowed.
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Wong may not be here after this year. He is in his last contract year and has not been above average. Sharper had the worst year of the 3 Texans seasons last year and very well may be a player in decline. On top of that he is a 6+ million dollar cap hit who doesn't play like a 6 million dollar player and is in the last year of his contract also. This may be a shock to you but the team is probably looking further ahead than this year when it comes to signing free agents. The new linebacker is just now entering his prime years. I'm pretty happy we are shoring up this position. Huge upgrade over Foreman.


PS: Payne is on 610am right now live if you catch this.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
This is a pretty bad signing if you ask me. Babin - Sharper - Wong - Peek would have been a damn good enough core of LBs, especially given the fact that noone in the division is even close to that strong(spare maybe TEN).This money and about an extra mil off the Payne signing could have landed us either a solid #2 WR or a decent CB. I dont really have a problem with the Payne signing(other than it being a LITTLE high) since we had NO NTs on the roster but this was a bad, bad signing.
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Yeah those Jag LBs suck...

:rolleyes:
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Which is all well and good, but you dont pay backups 5 for 22. If you plug him in as a starter, then either you force a good young player to the bench or you bench Wong and have another expensive backup.
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With Wong likely leaving after this season I don't see it as a bad signing. You get a young guy in here to learn from some veteran LBs with experience in the 3-4, and if he picks up the system and performs well then you don't need to go after a guy next year to fill in for Wong. If, on the other hand, he performs poorly, or doesn't fit in the system then you can still get rid of him before he becomes too costly.
 
Something is strange with Pasquarelli's report about Wong. Greenwood has the speed/coverage ability, build and prior experience (I know he was OLB but it was in a 4-3 behind Taylor and Ogunleye) IMO to be the replacement for Foreman, not an OLB for us. But if Wong is moving inside we have way too much money and way to few ILB spots for the guys we have. Somebody(s) out of here--what is the net cap effect of cutting Wong this off-season?
 
Vinny said:
Wong may not be here after this year. He is in his last contract year and has not been above average. Sharper had the worst year of the 3 Texans seasons last year and very well may be a player in decline. On top of that he is a 6+ million dollar cap hit who doesn't play like a 6 million dollar player and is in the last year of his contract also. This may be a shock to you but the team is probably looking further ahead than this year when it comes to signing free agents. Everyone yawned when the Patriots signed Mike Vrabel and Teddy Brusci (same kind of signing). The new linebacker is just now entering his prime years. I'm pretty happy we are shoring up this position.


PS: Payne is on 610am right now live if you catch this.
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I know Wong (hopefully) wont be back after this season, but Sharper....Declining?? I realize he wasnt in 2003 form last year, but he was still 6th in the N-F-L in tackles. Last year, he wasnt forced to overacheive like he was in 2003 because he had more solid guys around him.
 
UberDork said:
We need depth at LB; anyone could get hurt...then what. The contract is backloaded so nobody should worry about those last few years unless he is worth the money. I think we should still try and draft a good ILB prospect because we may loose some guys in the next few years.
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I think those are two very good points, and I too would like to see us pick up a young ILB in the draft. This signing just gives us more time to develop a young ILB.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
I know Wong (hopefully) wont be back after this season, but Sharper....Declining?? I realize he wasnt in 2003 form last year, but he was still 6th in the N-F-L in tackles. Last year, he wasnt forced to overacheive like he was in 2003 because he had more solid guys around him.
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Declining? Sure, they all start declining somewhere and there is no doubt that he didn't have a great year last year. I still watch many of the games even in the off-season. Sharper is in his 9th NFL season and last year he didn't have any major injuries and he was not the impact linebacker that he has been in the past. He was slower to the ball than he has been in the past also. Just because I may feel he may be in decline, it doesn't mean that he is not a good NFL linebacker. I tend to think in more complex terms than he is great or he sux. Sharper should have a ton of tackles because most of the tackles are supposed to be made by him and Foreman in our defense. Compound that with the fact that our defense was on the field way too much he should be in the top 10 in tackles.
 
Vinny said:
We were one of the worst teams in the NFL when it came to pressuring the QB. We get our pressure from our linebackers.

on all these negative posts in general (not you specifically wildbeardude) How did the Texan fan nation get so negative? All of you guys amaze me.
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Don't get me wrong. I like the signing from a player personell perspective. OTOH, as you know, I am not a cheerleader or kool-aid drinker. I calls em as I sees em. If I think they overpaid, I'll state that. I will admit that this guy was not on my radar, and if he is good, then I'll be happy. But, just because the Texans signed a free agent LB doesn't make him good. I'm sure most of you know the history with free agent LB signings by the Texans, or do I need to remind you? :heh:

Lucky had a good point though, and that makes me feel a bit better. :)
 
Porky said:
Don't get me wrong. I like the signing from a player personell perspective. OTOH, as you know, I am not a cheerleader or kool-aid drinker. I calls em as I sees em. If I think they overpaid, I'll state that. I will admit that this guy was not on my radar, and if he is good, then I'll be happy.
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Let me ask you this then....

If you never heard of the guy and didn't see many Dolphin games then how to your form the basis of your opinion that we were hoodwinked and over-paid him?
 
this signing is very interesting when you hear that we are moving wong inside greenwood projects better at ILB than OLB so my question is this...is foreman now on the trading block for draft picks?
 
Greenwood did well in the role he was given with the Dolphins. He wasn't a star but he was steady. I'm curious to see where we project him to play.
 
infantrycak said:
Something is strange with Pasquarelli's report about Wong. Greenwood has the speed/coverage ability, build and prior experience (I know he was OLB but it was in a 4-3 behind Taylor and Ogunleye) IMO to be the replacement for Foreman, not an OLB for us. But if Wong is moving inside we have way too much money and way to few ILB spots for the guys we have. Somebody(s) out of here--what is the net cap effect of cutting Wong this off-season?
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We're not so close to the cap that Wong needs to go this year. After this year he's a FA, so his salary doesn't represent a "cap hell" threat. We could still extend Sharper another year (he's also due for FA after this year) to lower his cap number by 2-2.5 mil if we want to pick up one more quality FA.
 
Supposedly Greenwood is a VERY fast LB.. who isnt very strong going heads up against olinemen. This would lead me to beleive he probably projects better into OLB than ILB.

we wont really know though till we see him playing for us.
 
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