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Marlon Greenwood Signed!

texasguy346 said:
Ouch! Yeah Clemons was a major disappointment.

Clemons was a huge dissapointment.
This year is starting to remind me alot of last year.

2004' *IE- Walker gets re-signed first, player we weren't expecting from Miami gets signed (Todd Wade), biggest offseason move aquiring Robaire Smith
2005' *IE- Payne gets re-signed first, player we weren't expecting from Miami gets signed (Morlon Greenwood), is the big one looming around the corner?
 
What i get from this transaction ....

First and foremost , the Texans management does'nt think that Peek is gonna be an every down player THIS SEASON . As much physical talent as the guy has , I have to agree (at least for now) . Or at least until he shows some maturity , he's just too prone to the silly penalty .


Wong will be gone next season . Or will have to re-structure / extend his contract to be more cap friendly . He's a solid player but not worth the cap hit after this season .

The front office finally understands that Foreman isnt very good and most if not all the other LB's on the roster are an upgrade .He's most likely released next season as well.

Lastly the Texans arent in a positoin of NEED at the LB position come draft draft day and can look to improve their other glaring weaknesses . OL , DL , TE and an eventual replacement for Glenn. As well as another WR and RB.
 
corrosion said:
What i get from this transaction ....

First and foremost , the Texans management does'nt think that Peek is gonna be an every down player THIS SEASON . As much physical talent as the guy has , I have to agree (at least for now) . Or at least until he shows some maturity , he's just too prone to the silly penalty .
I think he came here to play inside linebacker (the buc), so this would not effect Peek.
 
I've watched practically every Dolphin game for the past three and a half seasons, and I can tell you he really isn't anything too special. His name isn't called out too many times during a game, but then again, when you have players like Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas in THAT defense, you're going to be overshadowed. I can't really give this signing a thumbs-down because he's relatively young, and I know he is better than Foreman because he can actually RUN. He's more suited to be on the outside because he's small. The linebacker competition will be VERY interesting come training camp.
 
you say that yet in the 3-4 defense the OLB's are generally bigger than the ILB's...mostly converted college DE's
 
Texan281 said:
I've watched practically every Dolphin game for the past three and a half seasons, and I can tell you he really isn't anything too special. His name isn't called out too many times during a game, but then again, when you have players like Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas in THAT defense, you're going to be overshadowed. I can't really give this signing a thumbs-down because he's relatively young, and I know he is better than Foreman because he can actually RUN. He's more suited to be on the outside because he's small. The linebacker competition will be VERY interesting come training camp.

He had 108 tackles last year and was second on the team behind Zach Thomas. The Dolphins also had one tough defense although the rest of the team blew.

Greenwood is also 240 pounds so I'm not shure how you define "small" (Foreman is 240 also). That is plenty big for the Buc postion in our defense.
 
Texan281 said:
I've watched practically every Dolphin game for the past three and a half seasons, and I can tell you he really isn't anything too special. His name isn't called out too many times during a game, but then again, when you have players like Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas in THAT defense, you're going to be overshadowed.


Not only that, but his production picked up because Seau went down. I know he was a total non-factor in both of the Fish games vs the Pats last season.
 
another thing...a lot of people on this board have been wanting derrick johnson to be our first round pick...and projected him to the ILB position...we all agreed that johnson wasn't big enough to really project well in the 3-4 system and johnson and greenwood have similar bodies...just a thought
 
This one we need to trust the Texans & Casserly on. I'm sure they've been targeting him from the beginning, now Miami is turning into our farm system. I'm sure its our gain & their loss, just like Todd Wade last year.

Now having said that one point that needs to be made is this- doesn't competition breed excellence? Clearly this makes the LB's the strength of the Texans team both talent and depth wise and isn't this suppose to be the bread and butter of the 3-4 defense. I'm not real familar with Marlon either but I am a draft junkie and I know he was a 3rd round pick out of Syracuse (88th) in 2001. Since we just had the combines some of you might be familar with these specifics 6ft, 237, 21 reps and ran a 4.67 40. I mean this kid sounds like a human flying cannonball. Last year he registered over 100 tackles.

The only problem I see is how there are going to be enough tackles to go around for all the linebackers to supplement their diets. Remember that little problem last year with stopping opposing offenses from converting 3rd downs? Watch cannonball run :woot
 
keyfro said:
another thing...a lot of people on this board have been wanting derrick johnson to be our first round pick...and projected him to the ILB position...we all agreed that johnson wasn't big enough to really project well in the 3-4 system and johnson and greenwood have similar bodies...just a thought

DJ has 4 inches and 4 years(younger) to get bigger than Greenwood. This isnt even taking into consideration the difference in the two's playmaking abilities..
 
Vinny said:
I think he came here to play inside linebacker (the buc), so this would not effect Peek.


From what i heard on the ride home switching between 610 and 790 this will move Wong Inside and have Greenwood taking his old position outside . which doesnt directly affect Peek but there was talk of moving Wong inside before this which wuold have moved Peek up the depth chart . Looks to me the odd man out is Foreman
 
You think we paid too much for Greenwood, look at Cowboys. They gave Anthony Henry a 5 year deal worth 25 mil and a 11mil signing bonus..... :O
 
corrosion said:
From what i heard on the ride home switching between 610 and 790 this will move Wong Inside and have Greenwood taking his old position outside . which doesnt directly affect Peek but there was talk of moving Wong inside before this which wuold have moved Peek up the depth chart . Looks to me the odd man out is Foreman
The Texans are having a press conf soon so that should clear it up.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
DJ has 4 inches and 4 years(younger) to get bigger than Greenwood. This isnt even taking into consideration the difference in the two's playmaking abilities..
Greenwood is the same size as Foreman (one inch shorter and the same weight).
 
Vinny said:
He had 108 tackles last year and was second on the team behind Zach Thomas. The Dolphins also had one tough defense although the rest of the team blew.

Greenwood is also 240 pounds so I'm not shure how you define "small" (Foreman is 240 also). That is plenty big for the Buc postion in our defense.

He is more of a speed player, really, I'd rather see him on the outside. Besides, the Miami run defense wasn't too great (31st in the league).
 
Texan281 said:
He is more of a speed player, really, I'd rather see him on the outside. Besides, the Miami run defense wasn't too great (31st in the league).
We need speed at all our linebacker spots. Have you noticed how much we put them in coverage?
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
DJ has 4 inches and 4 years(younger) to get bigger than Greenwood. This isnt even taking into consideration the difference in the two's playmaking abilities..

Who's said we'd start Greenwood over DJ? Let's get realistic though, the only shot we've got at DJ is if he hurts himself before the draft or we trade away our whole first day to get him.
 
Ahhh we're speculating both ways. No one here saw what Casserly and Co. saw in this guy at the workout the other day. I'm sure most of us as well didn't tune into enough games that this guy had with the Dolphins to make an accurate assessment. Lastly, as most of us know, a sold 3-4 goes after talent at the linebacker position EVERY year.

Trust Casserly and our scouts! They are excited about him and I'm excited to see what this guy can do.
 
Vinny said:
We need speed at all our linebacker spots. Have you noticed how much we put them in coverage?

Greenwood hasn't had too many sacks in his career, but I personally think he'd be a better 3-4 OLB because he has the potential to be a better pass rusher rather than a run stuffer. He isn't the world's greatest tackler. He would definitely be an improvement inside, though. That can't be denied. I just don't think we will place him there.
 
beerlover said:
The only problem I see is how there are going to be enough tackles to go around for all the linebackers to supplement their diets.


putting numbers in the win column will solve this problem .
 
first i think putting in some speed in our linebacker corp is a great idea...after this past season our underachieving linebackers are getting shook up a bit...wong is getting to that unmagical number 30 and foreman hasn't lived up to be anything special unless your talking about special teams...greenwood is 26, fast, athletic, and is a new face in the texans linebacker corp...now we dont' know just yet if he's gonna be an ILB or an OLB but either way we just got a lot fast which is always a good thing because speed kills
 
This is going to be yet another very interesting preseason for the linebackers. I'm betting that Peek just isn't cutting it and so they are bringin in guys to fill that void. Wong is a smart player and yes he can cover very well so I think knowing that he is going to be at the ILB spot will give him more time to adjust. He's been the LOLB, ROLB, and ILB in 3 seasons now.

I still think we should have gone after Kendral Bell if we are going to shell out that kind of money for a LB. Bell still has very good upside and since he plays inside, one of major weaknesses, I thought it would be a natural fit. That would have left Wong happier on at the ROLB spot and Peek to prove himself in minicamp. Now, once again we are shuffling one of our linebackers and may end up with 2 spots on in our linebacking that were not there last year.
 
This was a much better pickup than Bell or Hartwell. Those 2 would have commanded $5 million this year alone along with whatever signing bonus it would take. Greenwood was never going to get the press in Miami with Thomas and then Seau in that LB group. Just because he wasn't a probowl player doesn't mean he isn't good. Dunta Robinson anyone?? I don't imagine Foreman will be on the team this year.

OLB- Babin, Peek, Greenwood, Anderson
ILB - Sharper, Wong, Polk, Orr

I'd rather go with the younger and less costly backups instead of Foreman.
 
Thats what I think as well. Greenwood had zero sacks last year and is supposedly great in coverage. Meaning a better fit for Inside.
 
I don't think there is any question he will be an ILB (Foreman's spot) for us.
No way do we ask a 238 pound guy that struggles with blockers to take OTs head on.
I think it will be Babin - Greenwood - Sharper - Peek/Wong next season. Wong will be restructured or released after this season- same with Foreman.

I think it is a good signing. It gives us good speed at ILB, which we were desperate for. It also gives us an ILB that can cover. We were abused repeatedly by our ILB coverage. Fangio's scheme requires lots of coverage from the LB spots and Greenwood perfectly fits this. He's young and about to enter the prime of his career.

After I got over the sticker shock of his contract, it really doesn't look all that bad. After the third year I expect we will restructure.
 
TheTim5125 said:
how good is this guy.. you can't look at numbers that much because the numbers sometimes lie

Supposedly he is a solid solid player. I think 2nd in tackles last year on a GOOD defense. He is another workhorse who will give 110% on every play...but just wont wow you with any sportcenter highlights.

But at his age.... he may just now be reaching his full potential.

Gotta think POSITIVE!
 
SESupergenius said:
This is going to be yet another very interesting preseason for the linebackers. I'm betting that Peek just isn't cutting it and so they are bringin in guys to fill that void. Wong is a smart player and yes he can cover very well so I think knowing that he is going to be at the ILB spot will give him more time to adjust. He's been the LOLB, ROLB, and ILB in 3 seasons now.

Moving Wong inside is a vote of confidence in Peek as near as I can make it out. Unless you think we're going to start Cheatwood over him, I don't see how it can be anything but.

I'd be really surprised if Greenwood plays OLB for us, except in cases of injury/special situations. My bet is Greenwood is here to replace Foreman and be ILB for us for the next several years and we'll try to draft a replacement for Sharper.
 
Sarg01 said:
... we'll try to draft a replacement for Sharper.

*sigh* ... can't picture the Texans without my favorite player.
BUT.. unless he has an outstanding year this year, he could very well be finding himself in the same position that his brother is facing right now ... end of contract ..
then what? stay for less or go shopping?
 
I'm bettin they project him to play inside - he may have speed but that dosn't
mean he has to be an edge rusher - like someone said we want all of our backers to be able to run. We need more help inside. The only solid guy there is Sharper and he's aging too fast. Wong, Peek, and now "The Cheater" are all OLBs. And they will get another OLB in the Draft in the form of a tweener in the 4th or 5 th round. But I'll be glad when they make an official announcement so we get a chance to hear their plans for Greenwood.
 
I just don't see how people are saying Sharper is getting too old right now. Last year he wasn't outstanding, but he was far from being bad. he's 1 season removed from a great year, and now all of the sudden he's old man Sharper. You are putting him in the same category as Walker, all of the sudden these guys are bad.
 
I think this move is a sign that Dj won't be around in the draft given recent hype... That likely means that Troy Williamson is even more likely a selection than before.

Regardless of whether Greenwood is OLB or ILB, I think we have versatility in combinations and depth. Peek could be a force and with Wong likely gone, we can be pretty sure that Peek will get more exposure this year.

I am willing to bet that the starting crops of LB in week 4 is much different than week 1.
 
I agree Ses. Sharper had a down year from being a great LB, i.e. still a very solid LB. People need to learn there is a middle ground between pro-bowl and scrub.
 
Vinny said:
Let me ask you this then....

If you never heard of the guy and didn't see many Dolphin games then how to your form the basis of your opinion that we were hoodwinked and over-paid him?

Based on "scouting reports" and the fact I was not familiar with him. Even if I haven't seen alot of a particular guys work, I usually at least know of him if he is a good quality starter, and for the money they are paying, I am going to expect to see a good quality starter. Just giving my opinion, just like you and everyone else. Of course, in matters like this, I ALWAYS defer to the experts with the team. I don't pretend to know more than they do.
 
infantrycak said:
I agree Ses. Sharper had a down year from being a great LB, i.e. still a very solid LB. People need to learn there is a middle ground between pro-bowl and scrub.

I just think people are expecting a constant pro-bowler for the money he is getting. I dont think anyone thinks hes a scrub.
 
Bayern said:
Agreed on the move for Wong. We've all been waiting for the day Wong would move back inside. He's better there anyways. So now you got Peek, Greenwood, Sharper, Babin and Wong all rotating in and out of the linebacker positions. Excellent!
And don't forget Tim Cheatwood.
 
I doubt Cheatwood will be subed in as regularly as those guys, he will probably get as much playing time as Charlie Anderson got last season.
 
Reddevil63 said:
I doubt Cheatwood will be subed in as regularly as those guys, he will probably get as much playing time as Charlie Anderson got last season.
Maybe that's how it will turn out. But I'm thinking it's going to be a knock-down, drag-out, free-for-all come training camp. I don't think anyone's position will be secure on day one.

Cheatwood - 6'-4", 260 lbs - developed some pass-rush skills up there in Canada. He is probably a more complete and well rounded player at this time than Peek.

One advantage Greenwood has over Cheatwood is probably speed. The only number I've managed to find on Cheatwood is an estimated 4.85 his senior year at Ohio State.

Should make for an interesting training camp.
 
I checked out the Dolphins forum in the Miami Herald and they aren't shedding
any tears about this guys depature, just surprise at the kind of money he's getting. It's about the same kind of reaction they had last year when we signed their RT Todd Wade with some big bucks too. I suspect he's fairly mediorce - but he's young so still has time to surprise. Afterall, we're not contenders, not yet. That's what it takes to attract the top FAs, they all
want that SB ring. We've still got the Draft - afterall Cass says point blank
that's our main source for building, certainly for finding the real playmakers.
 
I think Foreman's days as a Texan are numbered. They told Wong to move inside, re-signed Polk and Evans, and are obvioulsy planning on having Greenwood play inside as well. Thats a few too many bodies and the way I see it, Foreman is the odd man out.
 
Vinny said:
Foreman has zero trade value.

Minor point but technically I think he actually has less than zero trade value. I'm pretty sure the Texans have got to throw in some Gatorade, Toro's four wheeler, and an autographed David Carr bobblehead if they want another team to take him at his current contract.
 
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