Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

[b0ng]

The Jags were as good as they were in 2007 because David Garrard had a career year... The Jags were BETTER last year on defense than they were in 2007...infact a LOT better. They also only had 6 more sacks in 2007, so they weren't exactly killing the QB that year either.

You basically just proved my point. Mario Williams is not going to be the catalyst that launches the Jags into the playoffs even if he does sign there... which isn't going to happen, so it's not even worth discussing to start with.

and Tyson Alualu has been average at best. He's a solid player.. not a difference maker, not a sieve like Amobi was.. hence "J.A.G."

Your point is something along the lines of Mario would have no impact on the Jaguars winning correct? When he would be an obvious significant upgrade at a position on their defense which is already really good. I think your point is very flawed in the ways that I believe adding a stud pass rusher to an already really good defense who is missing a stud pass rusher would improve them from being right outside the top 5 to being a viable candidate for best overall defense in the NFL.

In a game like football where small changes can have significant impacts in individual games I think doing something that big by itself could get the entire team to mediocre. Since they retained their defensive staff you have Mularkey is probably free to worry about the offense mostly so it's basically on him to get them the final win or two they might need to challenge for a wildcard.

Similarly I think the Titans would also be a team where the defense would go from decent to really good, so it's not like I'm just trying to lovefest the Jaguars here.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Your point is something along the lines of Mario would have no impact on the Jaguars winning correct? When he would be an obvious significant upgrade at a position on their defense which is already really good. I think your point is very flawed in the ways that I believe adding a stud pass rusher to an already really good defense who is missing a stud pass rusher would improve them from being right outside the top 5 to being a viable candidate for best overall defense in the NFL.

In a game like football where small changes can have significant impacts in individual games I think doing something that big by itself could get the entire team to mediocre. Since they retained their defensive staff you have Mularkey is probably free to worry about the offense mostly so it's basically on him to get them the final win or two they might need to challenge for a wildcard.

Similarly I think the Titans would also be a team where the defense would go from decent to really good, so it's not like I'm just trying to lovefest the Jaguars here.

Well your first sentence is wrong. I never said Mario would have no impact. I said his signing wouldn't significantly change anything, he would have a impact, but in the grand scheme, not much would change. Let's look at the season where the Texans were tops in the NFL in offense, but had a craptastic defense... If we added top offensive talent to that team, would that have put us over the top? No it wouldn't and adding Mario to a team that was 6th in the league in yards allowed and 11th in points scored is not going to catapult them to the playoffs when they can't put points on the board... Just like adding top offensive talent wouldn't of put us in the playoffs when we couldn't keep points off the board.

The Titans would be the team I'd fear if they got Mario... not the Jags. They have tied their rope to a concrete block that was tossed into the Jacksonville bay for the next few seasons. However long it takes them to figure out that Gabbert is not the answer is how long they choose to hold their team back before they start grooming someone else. The Titans however already have a veteran in place (who can still play) and a young QB who I think is going to be a gamer and a thorn in our side in the near future. Mario could do damage on that team... if he wants to join the NFL's version of the "witness protection program" then he will sign with the Jags. He'd disappear there until they get a viable offense.

 

[leebigeztx]

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I'm just not understanding how this is even possible. It just doesn't add up unless one of our players is going to count $16M+ against the cap in 2012.

I don't have a link,but I will give you my understanding. The texans had 4+m of cap space. The new league year hasn't started yet so all of the old salaries are still on the books. To do extensions or offers, you have to create room. When pat kirwan made the deal to keep mario, he created space for this years salaries. The foster deal falls in line with what kirwan laid out to pay mario,meyers,and foster.

 

[amazing80]

I don't have a link,but I will give you my understanding. The texans had 4+m of cap space. The new league year hasn't started yet so all of the old salaries are still on the books. To do extensions or offers, you have to create room. When pat kirwan made the deal to keep mario, he created space for this years salaries. The foster deal falls in line with what kirwan laid out to pay mario,meyers,and foster.

This, the more I think about it the more true this is. I think they are saying what we CURRENTLY have on the books, but the new year has not started so the salaries are still on the books for a few more days....

 

[badboy]

Does not JJ's, Leinerts cap hit + Foster 2011 salary almost = Foster new first year deal? If so, why is Mario necessarily gone?

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't have a link,but I will give you my understanding. The texans had 4+m of cap space. The new league year hasn't started yet so all of the old salaries are still on the books. To do extensions or offers, you have to create room. When pat kirwan made the deal to keep mario, he created space for this years salaries. The foster deal falls in line with what kirwan laid out to pay mario,meyers,and foster.

That makes sense. The article I quoted said our 2012 obligations of $118.9M, that's what I don't understand.

 

[b0ng]

Well your first sentence is wrong. I never said Mario would have no impact. I said his signing wouldn't significantly change anything, he would have a impact, but in the grand scheme, not much would change. Let's look at the season where the Texans were tops in the NFL in offense, but had a craptastic defense... If we added top offensive talent to that team, would that have put us over the top? No it wouldn't and adding Mario to a team that was 6th in the league in yards allowed and 11th in points scored is not going to catapult them to the playoffs when they can't put points on the board... Just like adding top offensive talent wouldn't of put us in the playoffs when we couldn't keep points off the board.

So you're going to try to prove your point by taking a different team from a different year and then give it a hypothetical "if". An "if" that nobody could conceivably come to a conclusion proven by evidence. And this comparison will somehow be proven and. . .

Who are you to say what will catapult a team into the playoffs? Every year there are teams in the wildcards and 4 seeds that have really good defenses with mediocre to terrible offenses. Saying that "nothing would change" is a pretty tough claim to prove seeing as how stuff changes in the NFL constantly, especially from year to year. The Jags may not have season ending injuries to their entire secondary near the end of the year in 2012. There's a whole lot that could change, and upgrading a position on the defense as significant as "primary pass rusher" from Jeremy Mincey to Mario Williams could easily net the Jaguars enough bounces of the football going their way to double their win total from last year. That's not out of this world, or some kind of shocking crackpot idea. That crap happens all the time in the NFL where teams with major deficiencies along one side of the ball somehow prop themselves up for a year however improbably it may be.

And yeah if Blaine Gabbert continues to suck it'll be hard for them to win games, but it would not be completely out of the question for a defense like that to carry them to .500.

 

[Big Lou]

a mario supporter
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/18601/free-agent-hype-chronicles-mario-williams

I believe he is doing that for every FA as if he were thier agent trying to sell a team on a FA.

 

[fiasco west]

Now i'm just hoping the team resigns him to see some guys head flip around here.

 

[Big Lou]

No serious discussions between the Texans and Mario Williams yet.

The Peyton talk is just killing me. When you read articles like this it just underlines how little you can depend on "No serious descussion netween the Texans and Mario Williams", because they seem to pull stuff out of thier ass.

Why would Houston add a cap heavy Peyton Manning that may never play another down of football ever (See Tony B. circa 2002) and doesn't remotely fit in what we do. Our offense is a system offense, we don't sign big time FA's, especially at the QB position, we draft. Peyton and Gary don't mix period, will never happen and any talk of it means that the writer has very little knowledge or understanding of the Texans. Fans may pine for Manning, but thats all emotion and no fact, so I can understand it from fans.

 

[Playoffs]

EDIT: From PFT -- No serious discussions with Mario Williams

Have to think that puts an end to it ..... ?

 

[cbs1507]

Glad to see the Texans know their prioritites.
1.Foster Done
2. Myers
3.

Mario is not on the list because the Texans can't realistically expect to get a decision from him at this time.

Glad to see the Texans acting this year like they did last with Joseph and Manning not waiting for Aso.

Only way Texans resign Mario is if after testing FA Mario finds he is not highly sought after after all. I think someone will give him crazy money though.

From this signing I think that still puts Mario as our top priority. Foster got a 5 year $43.5M contract with $20.75M guaranteed. He makes $18M in his 1st season and $30M total in the first 3 seasons. Relax. His cap number is likely not $18M for 2012. The $18M is likely mostly signing bonus which is prorates over the 5 year contract. I'm thinking something like $15M SB + $3M base for 2012. So his cap hit might be around $6M.

This is good news for Mario (and Myers). We have 17 FA salaries coming off the books on March 13th (only 12 roster spots because 5 salaries were added as IR replacements). One of those salaries is Mario's $18 million. One of those is Chris Myer's salary. He had a 4 year $11 million contract. With Foster only accounting for $6M of that in 2012, we can give $10M of it to Mario and the remaining $2M we can add to whatever Myers has coming off the books from last year. See we just took care of our top 3 priorities with Mario Williams' salary from 2011. The rest of our FA's will not cost nearly as much (and we have 15 salaries to account for 9 other roster spots). Keep in mind we are going to draft some rookies to fill some roster spots. Oh yeah and we have three $1.5 contract exceptions (contracts that won't count against the salary cap). So we essentially have 15 salaries to cover 6 roster spots.

So I expect for us to go hard in negotiations over the next week and try to nab those 2 before FA begins March 13th.

 

[Marcus]

Now i'm just hoping the team resigns him to see some guys head flip around here.

Me too!

I hope they franchise him, so I can see who'll be at the head of the line jumping out of a window.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Dallas just tagged Anthony Spencer. That should lessen their chances on going for Mario, correct?

 

[ThaShark316]

Dallas just tagged Anthony Spencer. That should lessen their chances on going for Mario, correct?

Unless they deal him, I would think so. That said, the 'Boys have a lot of cap space.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Unless they deal him, I would think so. That said, the 'Boys have a lot of cap space.

Really? I was under the impression they were up against it too

 

[Dutchrudder]

Really? I was under the impression they were up against it too

They have a lot of space if you ignore the 20 million in dead money from cutting a bunch of players last year... Their payroll makes it look like they have more money to work with than they do. Tagging Spencer likely put them up against the cap.

 

[gafftop]

From this signing I think that still puts Mario as our top priority. Foster got a 5 year $43.5M contract with $20.75M guaranteed. He makes $18M in his 1st season and $30M total in the first 3 seasons. Relax. His cap number is likely not $18M for 2012. The $18M is likely mostly signing bonus which is prorates over the 5 year contract. I'm thinking something like $15M SB + $3M base for 2012. So his cap hit might be around $6M.

This is good news for Mario (and Myers). We have 17 FA salaries coming off the books on March 13th (only 12 roster spots because 5 salaries were added as IR replacements). One of those salaries is Mario's $18 million. One of those is Chris Myer's salary. He had a 4 year $11 million contract. With Foster only accounting for $6M of that in 2012, we can give $10M of it to Mario and the remaining $2M we can add to whatever Myers has coming off the books from last year. See we just took care of our top 3 priorities with Mario Williams' salary from 2012. The rest of our FA's will not cost nearly as much (and we have 15 salaries to account for 9 other roster spots). Keep in mind we are going to draft some rookies to fill some roster spots.

So I expect for us to go hard in negotiations over the next week and try to nab those 2 before FA begins March 13th.

I do agree they go hard at Myers and probably some of the lesser FA. I don't see us going for Mario. I think that door has closed. Use some of that money for other FAs that will become available. The FO did a great job getting Foster without using the tag. They preserved the chemistry. I think they finally see the writing on the wall with Mario. Again as I stated a year ago they may have seen the light back then but were unable to work anything out. I bet now they wished they had done more to try and move Mario before last year.

 

[Maddict5]

This is good news for Mario (and Myers). We have 17 FA salaries coming off the books on March 13th (only 12 roster spots because 5 salaries were added as IR replacements). One of those salaries is Mario's $18 million. One of those is Chris Myer's salary. He had a 4 year $11 million contract. With Foster only accounting for $6M of that in 2012, we can give $10M of it to Mario and the remaining $2M we can add to whatever Myers has coming off the books from last year. See we just took care of our top 3 priorities with Mario Williams' salary from 2011. The rest of our FA's will not cost nearly as much (and we have 15 salaries to account for 9 other roster spots). Keep in mind we are going to draft some rookies to fill some roster spots. Oh yeah and we have three $1.5 contract exceptions (contracts that won't count against the salary cap). So we essentially have 15 salaries to cover 6 roster spots.

i wouldnt get too bogged down with the salaries. per the PFT article, the texans have been projected to used up 118.9m in cap space BEFORE arians deal. that would indicate mario & myers are also not included in this. so it would seem like we're prob over by about 5m at this point

then we can restructure/cut some guys next week and free up someweher between 15-20m max so you're looking at resigning myers, mario, briesel, demps etc etc plus draft picks with 10-15m mill in cap space which seems pretty hard

 

[cbs1507]

i wouldnt get too bogged down with the salaries. per the PFT article, the texans have been projected to used up 118.9m in cap space BEFORE arians deal. that would indicate mario & myers are also not included in this. so it would seem like we're prob over by about 5m at this point

then we can restructure/cut some guys next week and free up someweher between 15-20m max so you're looking at resigning myers, mario, briesel, demps etc etc plus draft picks with 10-15m mill in cap space which seems pretty hard

NO IT DOESN'T.

How many times do I have to repeat FACTS to get people to see why that is not likely the case?

2011 League Year DOES NOT end until March 13th.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? If we are snug against the cap it is because the 2012 League Year has not begun yet and our FA (17 total) are still under contract until then.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude (so I apologize in advance). It just seems that I have been repeating this the whole offseason.

BTW of those 17 FAs we ONLY have 12 roster spots. If you think the snug under the cap is our status WITHOUT those 17 FAs then we are going to have hell trying to fit Arian's new contract on the cap let alone find space for the other 11 roster spots.

 

[Maddict5]

NO IT DOESN'T.

How many times do I have to repeat FACTS.

2011 League Year DOES NOT end until March 13th.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? If we are snug against the cap it is because the 2012 League Year has not begun yet and our FA (17 total) are still under contract until then.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude (so I apologize in advance). It just seems that I have been repeating this the whole offseason.

BTW of those 17 FAs we ONLY have 12 roster spots. If you think the snug under the cap is our status WITHOUT those 17 FAs then we are going to have hell trying to fit Arian's new contract on the cap let alone find space for the other 11 roster spots.

listen i get the cap but i was just READING the article.. now the article may be possibly inaccurate but i am interpreting it correctly

As of last Tuesday, the Texans had $118.9 in 2012 salary-cap commitments, which puts them close to the expected ceiling of $120 million or so. Foster wasn’t factored into the “top 51″ calculation, since he wasn’t under contract at the time.

last time i checked foster had a contract in 2011 and none in 2012 yet (as no tender was given to him)

therefore its reasonable to presume PFT have based their figure on 2012 salaries and proration of pre 2012 bonuses etc. therefore if the figure didnt include arian, it obviously doesnt include any of the other FA's like mario and myers either

now il admit their figure seems high as we dont rly have any monster contracts (and do we even have 51 players under contract) and we seem in trouble but we have a fair few guys with pretty good contracts.

 

[cbs1507]

listen i get the cap but i was just READING the article.. now the article may be possibly inaccurate but i am interpreting it correctly




last time i checked foster had a contract in 2011 and none in 2012 yet (as no tender was given to him)

therefore its reasonable to presume PFT have based their figure on 2012 salaries and proration of pre 2012 bonuses etc. therefore if the figure didnt include arian, it obviously doesnt include any of the other FA's like mario and myers either

now il admit their figure seems high as we dont rly have any monster contracts (and do we even have 51 players under contract) and we seem in trouble but we have a fair few guys with pretty good contracts.

You know what you make a good point because I actually did not see that in the article. But I think they are wrong because we really do have 17 FAs and Mario Williams really did make $18M last year and we really did have to be UNDER the cap last year. Those really are facts. I do not know where they got there 2012 information from, but I assure you it's wrong. Plus the Texans do not really release most of the contract info, so for a site to claim this is our cap situation minus 17 FA for 2012 is suspect (especially considering no other website that reported that number insisted it was our 2012 committed contracts). There is not way we have 51 players committed RIGHT NOW to the 2012 salary cap when we had 17 FA's going into the offseason (and only sign Foster so far so there's 11 more roster spots).

 

[Dutchrudder]

You know what you make a good point because I actually did not see that in the article. But I think they are wrong because we really do have 17 FAs and Mario Williams really did make $18M last year and we really did have to be UNDER the cap last year. Those really are facts. I do not know where they got there 2012 information from, but I assure you it's wrong. Plus the Texans do not really release most of the contract info, so for a site to claim this is our cap situation minus 17 FA for 2012 is suspect (especially considering no other website that reported that number insisted it was our 2012 committed contracts). There is not way we have 51 players committed RIGHT NOW to the 2012 salary cap when we had 17 FA's going into the offseason (and only sign Foster so far so there's 11 more roster spots).

Salaries do go up each year, we know the Texans restructured several players, and there could have been some bonuses and incentives met for making the playoffs or individual performance. The Chiefs GM said they had to pay 25 million in incentives for the 2011 year after having an 7-9 team that didn't make the playoffs. It wouldn't surprise me if the Texans had to pay some guys incentives for the playoff win, or winning the division, or something else. If a crappy team like the Chiefs has to pay out that much, we may have a similar situation. It's entirely possible that we only have a few million left to work with in 2012 capspace.

 

[Maddict5]

You know what you make a good point because I actually did not see that in the article. But I think they are wrong because we really do have 17 FAs and Mario Williams really did make $18M last year and we really did have to be UNDER the cap last year. Those really are facts. I do not know where they got there 2012 information from, but I assure you it's wrong. Plus the Texans do not really release most of the contract info, so for a site to claim this is our cap situation minus 17 FA for 2012 is suspect (especially considering no other website that reported that number insisted it was our 2012 committed contracts). There is not way we have 51 players committed RIGHT NOW to the 2012 salary cap when we had 17 FA's going into the offseason (and only sign Foster so far so there's 11 more roster spots).

yes mario (and all the other FA salaries) will come off and in theory that should free up space but when you think of all the contracts we have entering their last yr (generally the most expensive) like schaub, DB plus all the pricey FA's and re-signings weve had the last few yrs, its quite possible that this has mostly offset the 18+m freed up by dropping mario and co off the cap

 

[cbs1507]

Salaries do go up each year, we know the Texans restructured several players, and there could have been some bonuses and incentives met for making the playoffs or individual performance. The Chiefs GM said they had to pay 25 million in incentives for the 2011 year after having an 7-9 team that didn't make the playoffs. It wouldn't surprise me if the Texans had to pay some guys incentives for the playoff win, or winning the division, or something else. If a crappy team like the Chiefs has to pay out that much, we may have a similar situation. It's entirely possible that we only have a few million left to work with in 2012 capspace.

But do you realize that we have 12 open roster spots (11 now with Foster signed)? 5 year $43.5M will definitely eat the rest of that for sure. So we are now over the cap with the signing of Foster and 11 vacant roster spots (if that claim is correct).

Look I am not insisting how much cap space we have available. I am just saying that wherever we are now in relation to the cap that is WITH everybody's 2011 contract counting against it and that we are not likely over with those contracts because the CBA said ALL teams must be under the cap or face sanctions. Why? because the 2011 League Year has not ended yet (March 13th).

The reason why we were able to sign Foster was because his contract is for the 2012 season and beyond. We will have 17 less contracts against the cap come March 13th so we were able to get a deal done.

yes mario (and all the other FA salaries) will come off and in theory that should free up space but when you think of all the contracts we have entering their last yr (generally the most expensive) like schaub, DB plus all the pricey FA's and re-signings weve had the last few yrs, its quite possible that this has mostly offset the 18+m freed up by dropping mario and co off the cap

Why do yall think I don't understand that salaries go up? I get it. But we have 17 FAs whose contracts expire at the END of the 2011 League Year which HAS NOT come to an end yet. 17 contracts that will not count against 2012 cap (so they will free up cap room). Dude if we are only $4M under the cap with their contracts relieved (even with other people's salaries increasing). We cannot sign any 12 players (Let alone a group including Foster, Wlliams or Myers). Why? League minimum is on average around $600k. We have 12 roster spots. That's $7.2M if we sign everybody to around the league minimum. See why that's not likely (especially now that we signed Foster to a big contract)?

 

[Maddict5]

The reason why we were able to sign Foster was because his contract is for the 2012 season and beyond. We will have 17 less contracts against the cap come March 13th so we were able to get a deal done.

i was thinking that way too and thought this whole capp pressure thing was total overblown story that would end up being nothing....

but EVERYONE of the media/cap guys are saying we're gonna be right up against the 2012 cap (the figures vary depending on who you listen to but <6m) as we are right now and they have alot more contacts and details of 2012 cap than we do

 

[Dutchrudder]

But do you realize that we have 12 open roster spots (11 now with Foster signed)? 5 year $43.5M will definitely eat the rest of that for sure. So we are now over the cap with the signing of Foster and 11 vacant roster spots (if that claim is correct).

Look I am not insisting how much cap space we have available. I am just saying that wherever we are now in relation to the cap that is WITH everybody's 2011 contract counting against it and that we are not likely over with those contracts because the CBA said ALL teams must be under the cap or face sanctions. Why? because the 2011 League Year has not ended yet (March 13th).

The reason why we were able to sign Foster was because his contract is for the 2012 season and beyond. We will have 17 less contracts against the cap come March 13th so we were able to get a deal done.

Yeah, I understand all that, and I think the sportwriters who do this for a living understand that as well. That's why when they say 2012 cap figures, I assume they are talking about post-March 13. I would imagine they have already accounted for the money coming off the books, dead money, escalating salaries, incentives and 2011 rollover. I have a hard time believing guys like John Clayton and Mike Florio don't take that into account when talking about cap numbers.

Clayton on the cap:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve

It's quite obvious that he's talking about 2012 cap space. Although, he's assuming a 120 million total cap, which means if it turns out to be 125, we will have a bit more to work with.

 

[Maddict5]

Why do yall think I don't understand that salaries go up? I get it. But we have 17 FAs whose contracts expire at the END of the 2011 League Year which HAS NOT come to an end yet. 17 contracts that will not count against 2012 cap (so they will free up cap room). Dude if we are only $4M under the cap with their contracts relieved (even with other people's salaries increasing). We cannot sign any 12 players (Let alone a group including Foster, Wlliams or Myers). Why? League minimum is on average around $600k. We have 12 roster spots. That's $7.2M if we sign everybody to around the league minimum. See why that's not likely (especially now that we signed Foster to a big contract)?

ya but like i said in my first post, if they are over the cap right now, they can free up the most of 15-20m by simply restructuring guys like meco, jjoe, manning, antonio and od and another 5 by cutting jacoby and leinart so its not exactly doomsday scenario or anything.

if they did all that they might still be able to squeeze everyone (even mario if he somehow signed a long/reasonable contract) in. unlikely but possible. and it would tie in to the cap squeeze storyline we're supposedly in

 

[gary]

Money talks and in the NFL teams turn around so fast Mario just might go to a so called bad team.

 

[cbs1507]

Yeah, I understand all that, and I think the sportwriters who do this for a living understand that as well. That's why when they say 2012 cap figures, I assume they are talking about post-March 13. I would imagine they have already accounted for the money coming off the books, dead money, escalating salaries, incentives and 2011 rollover. I have a hard time believing guys like John Clayton and Mike Florio don't take that into account when talking about cap numbers.

Clayton on the cap:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve

It's quite obvious that he's talking about 2012 cap space. Although, he's assuming a 120 million total cap, which means if it turns out to be 125, we will have a bit more to work with.

Really? Because this is all I got.

One of the new parts of the NFL collective bargaining agreement is the ability of teams to roll over remaining cap room into the next season. The 2011 season finished with $320 million of remaining cap room. Thirty teams carried over $301.78 million of unused cap money to give the 32 teams approximately $711 million of combined room as they start to prepare for the 2012 season.

The 2011 salary cap was $120.375 million, and the 2012 ceiling is expected to be close. The exact number is calculated based on revenues and should be available in the next week or two.

The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.

I remember an article on ESPN earlier this season that reported the Texans at about $2M under the cap with Mario's $18M (and 11 other upcoming FAs) before we added our 5 IR replacements.

2011 salary cap WITH Mario.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/29/updated-salary-cap-space-numbers-for-all-32-teams/

I also found an article on ESPN confirming this (I can't find it right now so I 'll look through my posts because I've posted it before). So now you want me to believe that with 17 FA coming off the book we are only able to clear $1M-$2M of cap space to sign 12 people for the 2012 season?

IMO John Clayton does not elude to anything and barely devotes a fragment of a sentence to discuss the Texans cap situation. I don't know how you get all that "homework" you are talking about in that limited capacity. JMO.

ya but like i said in my first post, if they are over the cap right now, they can free up the most of 15-20m by simply restructuring guys like meco, jjoe, manning, antonio and od and another 5 by cutting jacoby and leinart so its not exactly doomsday scenario or anything.

if they did all that they might still be able to squeeze everyone (even mario if he somehow signed a long/reasonable contract) in. unlikely but possible. and it would tie in to the cap squeeze storyline we're supposedly in

But they are NOT over the cap because Foster new contract does not count for the 2011 league year that we are currently still in. 2012 league year does not begin until March 13th. Look I am not an accountant but accounting 101 states that you cannot take someone off the books until the accounting period is over (this case March 13th). Anybody reporting our cap situation does not have accurate information and guys are making assumptions that these "experts" dig deep to find all they can about every team. They don't. They don't even know the salary cap for next season. So you expect to believe that they have the 2012 contract information for Texans (and 32 other teams)? I mean we will have 17 less contracts on the books and I doubt Mario Williams $18M will only clear $1M-$2M for us next year. Now add 16 other expiring contracts to the mix. I know you see where I'm coming from. I just think we should take those articles with a grain of salt.

 

[ckhouston]

Mario is gone. This tells me his asking price was too high. Sorry to see him go but Reed can get it done.

 

[Maddict5]

But they are NOT over the cap because Foster new contract does not count for the 2011 league year that we are currently still in. 2012 league year does not begin until March 13th. Look I am not an accountant but accounting 101 states that you cannot take someone off the books until the accounting period is over (this case March 13th). Anybody reporting our cap situation does not have accurate information and guys are making assumptions that these "experts" dig deep to find all they can about every team. They don't. They don't even know the salary cap for next season. So you expect to believe that they have the 2012 contract information for Texans (and 32 other teams)? I mean we will have 17 less contracts on the books and I doubt Mario Williams $18M will only clear $1M-$2M for us next year. Now add 16 other expiring contracts to the mix. I know you see where I'm coming from. I just think we should take those articles with a grain of salt.

you're not getting what im saying!

forget about the 2011 cap. thats gone for all intents and purposes. we will be at/under that on March 13.

im saying if the texans made no other moves/re-signings etc now until March 14, we'd be roughly 3m over the 2012 salary (we were <5m under based on projections + arians 8m 2012 hit= 3m over)

and its you v everyone else in the media on that take that the texans arent in cap trouble so if you think not even a handful of all these guys are competent and that theyre all morons that dont understand cap 101 except for you then by all means go ahead. but id drop the god complex a bit and accept these guys have contacts and access to alot more accurate cap figures than you and I, then i think youre in a bit of denial. yes the final 2012 cap limit or individual teams cap hits are by no means finalised but theyre all in the same ballpark so imo theyre 95% accurate

 

[Maddict5]

Really? Because this is all I got.


I remember an article on ESPN earlier this season that reported the Texans at about $2M under the cap with Mario's $18M (and 11 other upcoming FAs) before we added our 5 IR replacements.

2011 salary cap WITH Mario.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/29/updated-salary-cap-space-numbers-for-all-32-teams/

I also found an article on ESPN confirming this (I can't find it right now so I 'll look through my posts because I've posted it before). So now you want me to believe that with 17 FA coming off the book we are only able to clear $1M-$2M of cap space to sign 12 people for the 2012 season?

IMO John Clayton does not elude to anything and barely devotes a fragment of a sentence to discuss the Texans cap situation. I don't know how you get all that "homework" you are talking about in that limited capacity. JMO.

youre going around in circle

 

[steelbtexan]

Fosters signing = MW gone

As it should be.

 

[Maddict5]

heres a good article about the texans cap that shows the remedies available

http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/texans-must-clear-cap-space-coming-weeks

 

[Playoffs]

La Canfora just said Mario won't be a Texan.

 

[TexanSam]

I just don't see how the Texans could keep Mario without either restructuring a lot of deals or cutting a bunch of players. And while he's a great player, our defense doesn't need him to excel. I would be disappointed to see him go, but right now I'm expecting it.

I also wouldn't want to keep him if it meant not investing in other players. If resigning Myers, Briesel, and locking up Duane Brown long term means losing Mario, then so be it.

 

[gary]

La Canfora just said Mario won't be a Texan.

I have thought this all along.

 

[Playoffs]

I have thought this all along.

One injury on D and we're sunk.

 

[Lurvinator11]

One injury on D and we're sunk.

Not exactly. Losing Mario will suck, but we can certainly sign some players with the money we were going to give him. Add depth to certain positions. That doesn't even include the draft either. In the draft we can get some depth as well. Mario leaving sucks, but it is not the end of the world.

 

[thunderkyss]

They have a lot of space if you ignore the 20 million in dead money from cutting a bunch of players last year... Their payroll makes it look like they have more money to work with than they do. Tagging Spencer likely put them up against the cap.

Speaking of which, how can we still have dead money in 2012 for guys like Slaton & Okoye? I thought all that would be escalated into the year said player was let go.

 

[DocBar]

Mario is gone. This tells me his asking price was too high. Sorry to see him go but Reed can get it done.

Reed didn't end up replacing MW this past season, Barwin did and did so in fine fashion.

 

[GP]

I am ready for Mario to be here or to be gone so this topic can be over with.

 

[GP]

La Canfora just said Mario won't be a Texan.

Hmmm.....

I'm still geeking off the high of knowing Foster is locked up for 5 years that I have to say I'm indifferent to what happens with Mario. If he can stay, then great! If he cannot, then that's OK because it means we never stood a chance in the first place.

This is like when we were in the Nnamdi Asomogha sweepstakes until the bidding got super stoopid and we decided to take our money and split it with a CB and a S. I have a feeling Texans FO decided to go after Foster and let the Mario situation take whatever course it takes, which will be MAJOR MONEY from a few teams trying to land the biggest free agent prize of the 2012 year. It's a repeat of the Nnamdi saga, in a way.

 

[Playoffs]

... I'm indifferent to what happens with Mario. If he can stay, then great! If he cannot, then that's OK because it means we never stood a chance in the first place.

I guess that's the way to look at it. No one else on our D draws double teams, though. I think losing MW will hurt us a lot ... a whole lot. :mariopalm:

 

[Allstar]

I guess that's the way to look at it. No one else on our D draws double teams, though. I think losing MW will hurt us a lot ... a whole lot. :mariopalm:

Did you watch the games last year?

 

[DocBar]

I guess that's the way to look at it. No one else on our D draws double teams, though. I think losing MW will hurt us a lot ... a whole lot. :mariopalm:

You honestly think that no Texan defender got double teamed for 13 games last season?

 

[cbs1507]

You honestly think that no Texan defender got double teamed for 13 games last season?

That wouldn't be true. But I can say that NONE of our OLB's were DT'd down the stretch without Mario though. I know for a fact Antonio and JJ Watt got plenty of DT's, but Barwin and Reed did not.

 

[drs23]

I am ready for Mario to be here or to be gone so this topic can be over with.

I'm all aboard GP. Let the cards fall where they may but JMO the FO will do all they can do to keep Mario on board.

As posted many, many times, we'll see when we see. Personally I don't see it happening but will not be surprised if it does.

I'd like to see him back myself.

I'm gonna hide-n-watch.

 

[GP]

Playoffs, you started a whole new argument now! Look at what you did!!!

LOL.