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Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million
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I'm hearing that the Jags are a likely destination for Mario because of their huge hunk of free-cap space and a new owner who wants to land a big-name FA to excite the fan base. Plus they are a 4-3 team which lets Mario play at DE, his "natural position". I will be very surprised if Mario goes to any 3-4 team.
I sure hope it doesn't work out that way because that would make an already strong defense we see twice a year even more formidable.
I sure hope it doesn't work out that way because that would make an already strong defense we see twice a year even more formidable.
ckhouston
Veteran
If Mario goes to a 4-3 team he will end up with solid but not legendary numbers. If he stays here ... with Wade ... in the 3-4, he could go down as one of the best ever. Deacon Jones, who would hold the sack record hands down if they kept that stat back then said as much himself. I really hope he stays and we can figure out how to keep this teams core intact. I feel we can take the crown from those Bears and Ravens teams as best defense ever, and think we can do it by such a margin it wont even be debated. Go Texans!
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Likely? BS.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah I agree.. Mario is not going to the Jags. The dude likes money I'm sure, but the Jags aren't going to offer anything much higher than another team would (PLENTY of teams have a lot of cap space) and the Jags have a QB who's going to drag that team down for the foreseeable future. The team that Mario goes to will be a team that can offer him big bucks, but a team that can also compete. The Jags had a very good defense last year and still finished with the 7th pick in the draft, I'm pretty sure Mario realizes that as well. He's not going to Jacksonville.
Mario's list of priorities are but 2: (A) record or near-record compensation for
an NFL defensive player, (B) serious playoff contender, and he will compromise on "B" way before he compromises on "A", promise. That's why he's going to a Jacksonville or a Seattle before he returns to Houston.
Actually I don't even want the guy back for what it would cost us, and since the opening bid is gonna be atleast 40 M (guaranteed money), I say let him walk.
First, the Jags have a 0.0001% chance at Williams. They have better shot at Manning. Second, why wouldn't Mario go to another 3-4 team? He was loving the 3-4 prior to his injury, on pace for a personal best sack total.
You're pulling that completely out of your arse. Williams has negotiated one contract to date. And he quickly agreed to that deal once presented to him. He has banked over $50 million in his career to date. If any defender doesn'y have to go for the $$$, it's Mario Williams.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Do you have anything to base this on other than your own opinion? Facts show the opposite. He was the first #1 NFL selection to not take an upfront bonus. I have seen nothing that indicates Mario is in NFL for the money. Let's wait to see what happens, then clobber him if he runs for the dough.
GP
Go Texans!
What if the BROWNS landed Mario and then traded up to grab RG3?
Talk about some big news if THAT happened!
I just don't think all this jazz about how it's Pats or Seahawks is the right speculation. The Browns are my surprise team to land Mario Williams.
Bucs and Rams also have a lot of cap space to go after a guy like Mario. And Buffalo too. But I think the Browns do this, and then trade up to grab RG3.
Talk about some big news if THAT happened!
I just don't think all this jazz about how it's Pats or Seahawks is the right speculation. The Browns are my surprise team to land Mario Williams.
Bucs and Rams also have a lot of cap space to go after a guy like Mario. And Buffalo too. But I think the Browns do this, and then trade up to grab RG3.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Are you his agent? The guy clearly stated that he's already made bank by being the first ovrl pick and wants to join a winning atmosphere so right off the bat you have option A and B reversed. He's NOT GOING TO JACKSONVILLE... and teams like that aren't even on his radar when WINNING TEAMS can and are willing to offer the same type of contracts.
Seriously.. tell us, how did you even come up with option A and B and what came out of Mario's mouth that led you to think that? There's winning teams out there that can make him the highest paid defender in NFL history and this is even after the guy flat out said that's not what he's shooting for.
A team like Jacksonville has about the same amount of odds of coming to contract terms with Mario Williams as I do reaching "indecent proposal like" contract terms with Brady and Gisele Bundchen... It simply isn't going to happen.
GP
Go Texans!
Remember when the Browns got goofy and traded back into the 1st round? I think they had selected Hillis and then got Brady Quinn or some such thing like that. The analysts were going goo-goo gaga over the move. They were the toast of the NFL Draft that year.
I think they have the balls to try that again. The fan base is rabid, literally, since they are dawgs. That place would be ROCKING on Sundays if they had a better QB who was electric with his arm and his feet, and had Mario to lead the defense, and like you said...landed Michael Floyd or Kendall Wright.
That changes the Browns. Instantly.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Plenty of Browns fans want to land Mario. They play a 4-3 defense and have a need for a pass rushing DE. He would fit perfectly in there and would complete a pretty good D-line. Problem is money though, I don't think the Browns have a lot to spend in free agency, but they might be able to pull it off. There are some players they could cut to save some cap room for 2012 and offer Mario a 100 million dollar deal. If Mario goes anywhere, I hope it's Cleveland.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
I'm in the DFW area watching the local sports news right now, and they're excited about taking Mario Williams and talking about how good they'd be with Williams playing along side Demarcus Williams. It's making me sick.
ThaShark316
#28
Hope he goes to DAL. ****, anywhere in the NFC is great if he isn't back here.
"Don't go to Dallas!!" but go to CLE, BUF, OAK, NE???? Losing y'all minds. The hell with that "rivalry" that doesn't even exist.
"Don't go to Dallas!!" but go to CLE, BUF, OAK, NE???? Losing y'all minds. The hell with that "rivalry" that doesn't even exist.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Dallas makes perfect sense. It follows Jerrah's line of thinking. All their problems could be saved if they could just acquire one more star player. Yeah, good luck with that.
I hate the Cowboys and love the Texans. I find this possibility to be a perfect fit. Go get him, Jerry!
TheDream34
Waterboy
THANK YOU!!! I've been saying this for years, there is no rivalry between us and the Cowboys. **** let him go to Dallas instead of Jacksonville and New England, or worse, the Titans.
I have known there is no "real" rivalry between us and Dallas, but I cant help but think of them as a rival, cause I just flat out hate the Cowboys. (Titans the only team I hate more)
So I would hate to see him with a blue star but if it is between that and our TRUE rivals (or anyone in our conference) then yes absolutely go to Dallas.
Dallas is a 3-4 team, and Mario will not go to a 3-4 team, besides they can't afford both DW and Mario.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
This. I remember Mario saying a few weeks ago the only 3-4 team he'd sign with was Houston.
nero THE zero
All Pro
KFFL report:
No source cited, though. I can't imagine this being a real possibility, though it does confirm what they've been saying regarding Mario being a priority.
No source cited, though. I can't imagine this being a real possibility, though it does confirm what they've been saying regarding Mario being a priority.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I doubt this is true, if we did it would mean bye bye 22 plus million of the 30 or so million available.....that would be a terrible idea
These articles were written as ultimate HYPE. In other words ultimate BS.
Disclaimer: This article is part of my series on free agency from the perspective of the agent, where I prepare Scott Boras-esque "books" that detail where each player stands in the marketplace and why he deserves as much of your team's money as possible. Normally, my goal is to use statistics and historical context to present the most accurate depiction of football that I can, but in this series, all I want to do is convince you to spend money on the player in question. As a result, I may include information or suggest comparisons that I don't necessarily agree with, just as an agent might try to play up his clients' strengths. Keep that in mind when you're reading. (For more on this, check out the Monday piece on Mike Wallace that started this series, and the subsequent articles covering Packers quarterback Matt Flynn and Texans pass-rusher Mario Williams.)
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
There should be zero doubt that Mario is a top priority, but they won't franchise him. Can't afford to do that with other FA's to sign.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
if they did, it would only be a stopgap in order to either sign him to a longterm deal at a reduced cap hit or organise a trade so that at least we'll get something for him. if that means myers has to wait until the 13th to 'officially' agree a deal, so be it
Glad to see the Texans know their prioritites.
1.Foster Done
2. Myers
3.
Mario is not on the list because the Texans can't realistically expect to get a decision from him at this time.
Glad to see the Texans acting this year like they did last with Joseph and Manning not waiting for Aso.
Only way Texans resign Mario is if after testing FA Mario finds he is not highly sought after after all. I think someone will give him crazy money though.
Tagging him for a sign and trade would be risky, imo. Why would another team want to give up a draft pick/picks for him when they could just let the Texans stew in their own stupidity for tagging him?
I still think the best route is to offer MW a "best we can do now or later" offer and let the chips fall where they may.
EDIT: From PFT. No serious discussions with Mario Williams.
If I were the Texans, I wouldn't even give him that long. We've got a lot of work to do & don't have time to wait.
Make him a "fair" deal (whatever Rick Smith thinks is fair) before March 13. If he doesn't take it, let him walk & don't expect him to come back. I'd make sure Mario understands the "don't expect him to come back" part. "Here's my offer, take it or leave it."
I'm just not understanding how this is even possible. It just doesn't add up unless one of our players is going to count $16M+ against the cap in 2012.
They then go on to say that not signing Mario leaves the door open to sign Peyton Manning...
I don't understand their logic though unless they are saying we'd have Schaub and Manning on the roster...
1) I don't think we'll sign Peyton
2) If we did, Schaub would not be here I don't think
3) If you get rid of Schaubs cap hit via trade or whatever, you should be able to afford Manning and Mario
If I had to choose between Manning (a healthy Manning) and Mario, I'm taking Manning...
The Texans have more information to make these decisions than we do though, so hopefully they are doing their homework...
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
It's entirely possible. The Chiefs reportedly had 25 million in incentives paid for the 2011 season. Between unknown incentives, salary increases and contract restructuring, they could easily have 20+ million in obligations we don't know about.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
because if an elite player in his prime is available for a pretty modest price draft pick wise (eg a 1st or 2nd rounder) there will be plenty of teams willing to offer that up esp one of the lesser desirable destinations who wouldnt have the same shot at him in an open market free agency
Thunder,
I don't think they are giving him ANY time. It is already OVER on Mario and probably has been for quite a while.
Rick's "fair" would have been an insult to the agent and maybe mario. Why even make one. I think they let him walk awhile ago.
The writing was on the wall before the season even started last year I think. I think the FO screwed the pooch last year by not trading him. Just think we might have had another first or a couple more seconds in the upcoming draft.
At least we have Foster.
????
Because they aren't hormonal, spiteful teeanagers?
Why would a team that is not even in our division or evne on our schedule or in our conference pass up an opprotunity to get better just out of spite?
DonnyMost
lol football :D
Unless that 22MM number is bogus and more like 16MM, we're not seriously considering franchising Mario.
It sucks his contract was so backloaded, because it completely undercut the idea of franchising him from the start, which is going to make negotiations that much harder for the Texans.
I hope he doesn't go, but if he does, it will be because some team threw a ridiculous amount of upfront money at him. Meanwhile, best we can do is another backloaded deal like the one he signed in 2006.
It sucks his contract was so backloaded, because it completely undercut the idea of franchising him from the start, which is going to make negotiations that much harder for the Texans.
I hope he doesn't go, but if he does, it will be because some team threw a ridiculous amount of upfront money at him. Meanwhile, best we can do is another backloaded deal like the one he signed in 2006.
drs23
Veteran
Oh come on CB don't sell yourself short. I don't think you give yourself enough credit...
pissknocker
Waterboy
Can an ESPN insider post up the article on Texans next move that just came out? TIA
b0ng
Bad Hombre
I hope Mario doesn't go to the Jaguars either, but that defense would be absolutely nasty with Williams rushing the passer along with those two big**** DT's that they have. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that the Jaguars could Dilfer their way into the playoffs as a WC if they can play defense that well. I know that they kept the defensive staff in place after JDR was unceremoniously pooped out of Jacksonville.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Trent Dilfer would be a HUGE upgrade over what they're currently throwing under center. Blaine Gabbert was the worst starting QB in the NFL last season. The Jags had a top 6 defense last season despite the offense being allergic to a first down. How much better would Mario really make them even if he did go there? They already had a elite defense and couldn't go anywhere. Their problem is on offense and it starts with the QB. They are a spitting image of the early era Texans. Solid defense.... bust at QB.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
They were pretty good at everything but rushing the passer (Jeremy Mincey and the ghost of Aaron Kampmann notwithstanding). Williams would easily be able to beat 1 on 1's while most of the interior of an offensive line was dealing with their two big DT's and those LB's that they had (I thought Pouslozny played very well last year).
Just because they didn't give up a lot of yardage doesn't mean they did everything fantastic on defense.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am hoping Mario looks at the Foster deal and realizes he could sign for that and be part of a SB possible team.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
They were 11th in points allowed. The point is that Mario isn't going to greatly put them over the top. That defense can play as great as they want to (and they did last season), if they can't turn numbers on the scoreboard they will continue to suck... that's where their problem lies.
Also they have one very good DT... Tyson Alualu is just another guy and some Jag fans think he hasn't lived up to his draft position. Also at only 304 pounds he isn't the behemoth that you're making him out to be. "Pot roast" is MUCH better.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
If we're going to talk about mario signing within the division, the team we need to be talking about is the Titans.. They have almost as much cap space as the Jags and have a owner who gets his rocks off "sticking it to Houston". They also have a offense that could do damage with a player like Mario playing on the other side. If Tenn. got Mario I'd be worried... if the Jags got him, I couldn't care less.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Mario has played in Jacksonville 6 times (or at least been there 6 times). There is no way he is going to a place where there is a distinct, disgusting smell that you get blasted with from the second you step off the airplane.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Um, if the Jags get good at harassing the QB as well as shutting down the run and having an above average secondary they could easily be as good as they were in 2007. I obviously think Alualu is more above average to your "just a guy" but the rest of the stuff is pretty much the same. Put a player like Williams in there and he could be set up to shine getting the bulk of that teams sacks (again).
I too believe that Blaine Gabbert is a terrible QB by most definitions, but, I've seen terrible QB's have pretty decent seasons before (Derek Anderson, David Garrard, Kerry Collins, Matt Cassel), and with the Jags hiring a QB's coach who knows. But if he takes a step from abjectly horrible, to say, streaky and inconsistent, that might be all that team needs to turn 4 of their 2011 losses into wins.
For the record: I don't think Mario is going to Jacksonville either.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
The Jags were as good as they were in 2007 because David Garrard had a career year... The Jags were BETTER last year on defense than they were in 2007...infact a LOT better. They also only had 6 more sacks in 2007, so they weren't exactly killing the QB that year either.
You basically just proved my point. Mario Williams is not going to be the catalyst that launches the Jags into the playoffs even if he does sign there... which isn't going to happen, so it's not even worth discussing to start with.
and Tyson Alualu has been average at best. He's a solid player.. not a difference maker, not a sieve like Amobi was.. hence "J.A.G."