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Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

I look at the the way Mario was playing when he got hurt and think I see a man who is "getting it". Every week he seemed a little more comfortable there and a little more effective. It just seemed like he was right at the verge of blowing up.

Then he got hurt and we switched to Brooks Reed. He seemed tentative as expected. He had a lot of catching up to do on top of the fact that he's a rookie. In the time he's been starting in Mario's place he's caught up with Mario I think in terms of understanding his role and "bringing the ruckus".

Now I want to know what happens when Mario & Brooks are switching out whenever one gets tired. I want to see their version of what Foster & Tate do.
 
Ngata was the best player in the 2006 draft.

MW has been what I expected him to be, it's what he was in college.

A very good player with great potential. But he doesn't have the passion for the game to be great. He has the ability to be an all time great. But this probably wont happen if it hasn't happened by now.



Funny you mention Ngata....not a guy with a fiery personality...so does that mean he doesn't have passion for the game too? You guys don't know what the hell you want nor do you know what's in a guys heart to say he doesn't have passion for the game.

All this is a weak attempt to try to bash a guy you've long had it out for.
 
I look at the the way Mario was playing when he got hurt and think I see a man who is "getting it". Every week he seemed a little more comfortable there and a little more effective. It just seemed like he was right at the verge of blowing up.

Then he got hurt and we switched to Brooks Reed. He seemed tentative as expected. He had a lot of catching up to do on top of the fact that he's a rookie. In the time he's been starting in Mario's place he's caught up with Mario I think in terms of understanding his role and "bringing the ruckus".

Now I want to know what happens when Mario & Brooks are switching out whenever one gets tired. I want to see their version of what Foster & Tate do.

This is another thing too that people are discounting. This defesne as a whole has began to gel ....as we all thought would happen with all the players getting more & more comfy in the system. The fact that Mario never really got to reap the rewards of this & still managed to kill it (unlike Reed) speaks more about mario's capability in this system than anything.
 
I look at the the way Mario was playing when he got hurt and think I see a man who is "getting it". Every week he seemed a little more comfortable there and a little more effective. It just seemed like he was right at the verge of blowing up.

Then he got hurt and we switched to Brooks Reed. He seemed tentative as expected. He had a lot of catching up to do on top of the fact that he's a rookie. In the time he's been starting in Mario's place he's caught up with Mario I think in terms of understanding his role and "bringing the ruckus".

Now I want to know what happens when Mario & Brooks are switching out whenever one gets tired. I want to see their version of what Foster & Tate do.

Can't speak to what Wade might do, seems like a good problem to have but I just might kick Antonio or Watt inside drop Mario RDE & leave Brooks @ OLB were he excels.
 
New England has Tom Brady.

They can have the worst pass defense in the league and still win games.

GB went to the superbowl last year mostly because of Rodgers at the QB position.

The Colts have gotten by for so long because of #18.

Great QB's can exponentially raise the level of play of the entire team. Schaub is not that guy and that is not me knocking Schaub.

The Patriots also have been aggressive as far as bringing in FA's..

It's fine to follow a model set by others but you also have to keep in mind that situations are never exactly the same and what works for one team may not work for another.

And besides that, some might say that new England getting rid of Seymour was still not a good idea.
I agree but the Oakland pick now is looking to be in the 17- 20 area. Players there:
OT. Reilly Reiff, OG Cordy Glenn, OLB, Courtney Uphaw, DT Alemeda Ta'Amu, WR Michael FLoyd, C Peter Knoz, OG David DeCastro and CB Chase minnifield.

Tom Brady, what have you done for me lately?
 
where are yall getting this? in his first 5 seasons mario has had 48 sacks, 10 forced fumbles, averaged 46 tackles and only missed 3 games total. i would draft that production in the top 10 if he were a 260lb specialist ... as a 290lb run stuffer as well it's easy to validate taking him first overall.

nowhere but houston do the fans think mario is so flawed, around the league he's seen as a monster. i'm willing to bet that 32 teams would try their hardest to keep mario on the roster. i'm also fairly sure we could work a deal to make his next cap impact much easier than his current deal.
I hope this is correct and some of them get into a bidding war offering monster trade offers for him.
 
Funny you mention Ngata....not a guy with a fiery personality...so does that mean he doesn't have passion for the game too? You guys don't know what the hell you want nor do you know what's in a guys heart to say he doesn't have passion for the game.

All this is a weak attempt to try to bash a guy you've long had it out for.

I'm not referring to personality but a tenacious style of play that is consistent and goes to the whistle. I worry about defensive players that don't have that. Mario doesn't. I don't know that I would call that "fiery".
 
Guys,


I have a question for all of you do the Texans need to put the Franchise or Transition tag on Mario and look to move him for a boat load of picks in this upcoming off-season to rebuild our team in areas of need since our Linebackers have played well and we can draft a true OLB that is a better fit for what we do in our 3-4 scheme. With all of the injuries at QB position I think that this is a way to really kind of re-shape our teams current state and our future, just imagine having two first round picks in this years draft and depending what other picks that are included we could be very deep team with one draft ok let's here it!!!!



1st & 3rd pick in the up coming 2012 Draft
2nd or 3rd in the 2013 Draft


Players & Positions Targeted with the Picks in the 2012 Draft.


1st rd pick - FS - TJ Mcdonald - USC 6'3 205


1st rd Pick (Mario Williams Trade) - WR - Michael Floyd - Notre Dame - 6'3" 220




2nd Rd Pick - OLB/DE - Brandon Jenkins - Florida St. - 6'3" 255



3rd (Mario Williams Trade) - QB - Ryan Tennehill - Texas A&M - We might have to move up back into the 2nd rd to get him but now we have trading power to do so with the Trade but I still project him in the 3rd rd.


3rd rd - NT - Josh Chapman - Alabama - 6'2" 310


4th rd - WR/KR - Travis Benjamin - Miami - 5'10" 175 - Speed in the slot.


5th rd - DE/DT - Tony Jerod-Eddie - Texas A&M - 6'5" 300


6th rd - S - Blake Gideon - Texas - 6'1" 207
 
Guys,


I have a question for all of you do the Texans need to put the Franchise or Transition tag on Mario and look to move him for a boat load of picks in this upcoming off-season to rebuild our team in areas of need since our Linebackers have played well and we can draft a true OLB that is a better fit for what we do in our 3-4 scheme. With all of the injuries at QB position I think that this is a way to really kind of re-shape our teams current state and our future, just imagine having two first round picks in this years draft and depending what other picks that are including we could be very deep team with one draft ok let's here it!!!!



1st & 3rd pick in the up coming 2012 Draft
2nd or 3rd in the 2013 Draft


Players & Positions Targeted with the Picks in the 2012 Draft.


1st rd pick - FS - TJ Mcdonald - USC 6'3 205


1st rd Pick (Mario Williams Trade) - WR - Michael Floyd - Notre Dame - 6'3" 220




2nd Rd Pick - OLB/DE - Brandon Jenkins - Florida St. - 6'3" 255



3rd (Mario Williams Trade) - QB - Ryan Tennehill - Texas A&M - We might have to move up back into the 2nd rd to get him but now we have trading power to do so with the Trade but I still project him in the 3rd rd.


3rd rd - NT - Josh Chapman - Alabama - 6'2" 310


4th rd - WR/KR - Travis Benjamin - Miami - 5'10" 175 - Speed in the slot.


5th rd - DE/DT - Tony Jerod-Eddie - Texas A&M - 6'5" 300


6th rd - S - Blake Gideon - Texas - 6'1" 207

There are several threads about this same topic.
 
Sorry was just a thought just looking at ways to get better as a team and I really don't see the Texans re-signing him as we have big fish to fry such as Arian Foster.
 
Simplified possible Mario outcomes next season:
1. Plays good when healthy but has some type of nagging injury as last two years
2. Does not adapt to 3-4.
3. Plays great in his contract year

In 1 we get probably nothing or do we get compensation because we do not sign as we did with Dunta. Last pick in draft. LOL

In 2 same as 1

In 3, do you want to give Mario say 20+ million for the next 5 years based on his last year of performance. Say the cap is 120 million. If you divide in half, half for offense and half for defense, do you really want to give Mario 33% of all money for defense? I sure don't. DO YOU?

In reality probably no player is worth that large of % of cap. Maybe Peyton or Brady etc QBs of that caliber may be the only position that warrants that and even then it is a crap shoot because of injury.

The above is why I think IF you can get a good deal in a trade this year you do it.

It is very likely that other teams view Mario in the same way and will give nothing for him this year. I don't know. But if there are teams out that that covet him I think it should seriously be considered by the Texans.

I don't think Aso is a good deal based on reasoning above.
Just my opinion.

Here we are almost exactly 8 months from this post. Took a lot of negative hits from this thread I started. Here we are now and where do we stand? It was my feeling that no matter what happened we would be in a bad place with Mario once the season was over.

I am reading on other threads that we trade Mario now for this and/or that. Someone please explain how we do this? Isn't he a free agent? I think we missed our chance to get something of value for MW. I still thinks he WALKS with us getting nothing but the PITY pick/consolation pick/Dunta pick etc.

Why do I think we get nothing? I don't think we can " non-exclusive " franchise and expect anyone to offer anything for Mario if it means them giving up high round draft choices. I don't think we outright franchise him because he is not worth what we would need to pay him. We can transition tag him but correct me if I am wrong, if we don't match we get nothing.

Anyone watch the game last night. Anyone see Aldon Smith. Anyone think Mario is better. I am sure there are.

Somebody make me feel better and explain how we come out of this deal whole.

I can't help but think where this team would be now if a trade would have been made and we had a real 1b WR and another real CB.

The great teams stay great by always increasing overall talent VALUE. We will lose overall value if we keep Mario or we lose overall value if we let Mario walk.

I really am ecstatic with the Texans season. It may not seem like that but I am. I just have this feeling that we could be a whole lot better if a trade was made.

Again someone explain how we trade Mario now. thanks
 
Here we are almost exactly 8 months from this post. Took a lot of negative hits from this thread I started. Here we are now and where do we stand? It was my feeling that no matter what happened we would be in a bad place with Mario once the season was over.

I am reading on other threads that we trade Mario now for this and/or that. Someone please explain how we do this? Isn't he a free agent? I think we missed our chance to get something of value for MW. I still thinks he WALKS with us getting nothing but the PITY pick/consolation pick/Dunta pick etc.

Why do I think we get nothing? I don't think we can " non-exclusive " franchise and expect anyone to offer anything for Mario if it means them giving up high round draft choices. I don't think we outright franchise him because he is not worth what we would need to pay him. We can transition tag him but correct me if I am wrong, if we don't match we get nothing.

Anyone watch the game last night. Anyone see Aldon Smith. Anyone think Mario is better. I am sure there are.

Somebody make me feel better and explain how we come out of this deal whole.

I can't help but think where this team would be now if a trade would have been made and we had a real 1b WR and another real CB.

The great teams stay great by always increasing overall talent VALUE. We will lose overall value if we keep Mario or we lose overall value if we let Mario walk.

I really am ecstatic with the Texans season. It may not seem like that but I am. I just have this feeling that we could be a whole lot better if a trade was made.

Again someone explain how we trade Mario now. thanks
Well, you will not find anyone to trade for him now due to his injury and if you did find a willing partner, it would be at a major discount. I think the key info that we do not seem to have is his true salary. There are not many sources offering player contracts. Also, incentatives are usually not figured in. This week on radio John McClain said Mario's 2011 salary is $18m with cap at (almost) $22m. I cannot verify that. Here is an old paragraph from ESPN:

League salary documents obtained by ESPN.com confirm the six-year contract signed last month by former North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, the first selection in this year's draft by the Houston Texans, features a basic value of $54 million and a maximum worth, counting all possible bonuses, incentives and escalators, of $62.1 million.


The guaranteed money in the contract is initially $21.75 million, and then jumps to $26.5 million after the Texans exercise an option next spring.

This link says there was no signing bonus which is my understanding:
http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=31042

My source Rotoworld has Mario @ $13.8m which if correct leads to 20% increase on a franchise tag = $2.76m + 13.8= $16.56m. Tag can be made in late February. He will be 27 Jan 31, 2012.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3636/mario-williams

I think Mario will agree to a reasonable (if higher than I want) long term deal, say 6 years $72m and with a huge up front bonus which will allow team to reduce the cap hit he is at now. Then it gets interesting:

We can keep him or trade him to someone like NE where he would prob go & play DE. PATs have two firsts and two seconds. I would trade him for a first & second. Another option is Eagles have two seconds apprx 37 & 47 & I'd look at that favorably. Phily adding a CB in first and Mario?
 
Well, you will not find anyone to trade for him now due to his injury and if you did find a willing partner, it would be at a major discount. I think the key info that we do not seem to have is his true salary. There are not many sources offering player contracts. Also, incentatives are usually not figured in. This week on radio John McClain said Mario's 2011 salary is $18m with cap at (almost) $22m. I cannot verify that. Here is an old paragraph from ESPN:

League salary documents obtained by ESPN.com confirm the six-year contract signed last month by former North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, the first selection in this year's draft by the Houston Texans, features a basic value of $54 million and a maximum worth, counting all possible bonuses, incentives and escalators, of $62.1 million.


The guaranteed money in the contract is initially $21.75 million, and then jumps to $26.5 million after the Texans exercise an option next spring.

This link says there was no signing bonus which is my understanding:
http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=31042

My source Rotoworld has Mario @ $13.8m which if correct leads to 20% increase on a franchise tag = $2.76m + 13.8= $16.56m. Tag can be made in late February. He will be 27 Jan 31, 2012.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3636/mario-williams

I think Mario will agree to a reasonable (if higher than I want) long term deal, say 6 years $72m and with a huge up front bonus which will allow team to reduce the cap hit he is at now. Then it gets interesting:

We can keep him or trade him to someone like NE where he would prob go & play DE. PATs have two firsts and two seconds. I would trade him for a first & second. Another option is Eagles have two seconds apprx 37 & 47 & I'd look at that favorably. Phily adding a CB in first and Mario?

I would take either of those deals. For some reason I don't see Mario agreeing to anything. Hope I am wrong.
 
I don't want to see Mario go, but he has to either agree to a significantly smaller contract, or he won't be a Texan. We need the cap space to pay Foster, which is a higher priority.

The reasons Mario might be willing to do this are because he'll get to stay at a position he prefers, and he'll be rotated out with Reed. He knows his limitations regarding endurance and durability.

I'm not banking on him staying, but it's possible.
 
How many teams let go or trade their best defensive player/pass rusher under the age of 30. I see the team playing well defensively, but you can never have enough good rushers and williams was going to be a monster this season. Now what they can do is offer him more than woodley,hali,and dummervill money and stage it based on likely to be earned incentives. Like someone said before. 6 yrs that average 12m per with half in the 1st 3 yrs of the deal. 6 yrs 72m with 35 guaranteed in 1st 3 yrs. 1st yr bonus of 11.5,2nd yr 11.5, and 3rd yr 12m, after that it could be 6m salary and 6m roster bonus due on 1st day of the calender year. If he's healthy and playing well, its fair market after the 1st 3 yrs, if he's hurt alot and not producing, you cut him and move on.
 
I don't want to see Mario go, but he has to either agree to a significantly smaller contract, or he won't be a Texan. We need the cap space to pay Foster, which is a higher priority.

The reasons Mario might be willing to do this are because he'll get to stay at a position he prefers, and he'll be rotated out with Reed. He knows his limitations regarding endurance and durability.

I'm not banking on him staying, but it's possible.

A rb is never a higher priority than a pass rusher.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/32197/mario-williams-and-the-franchise-tag

Perhaps the biggest question that will hover over the Houston Texans after the season ends, no matter how it ends, is whether to extend defensive end-turned-outside linebacker Mario Williams.

With Conner Barwin and Brooks Reed as their outside linebackers since Williams suffered a season-ending torn pectoral muscle on Oct. 9, the Texans have done just fine. They rattled off a seven-game winning streak that just ended and clinched their first AFC South title and playoff berth.

Williams is a dominant force. The Texans’ defense could have been even better with him. But he’s been slowed by a couple of injuries, and a pass-rusher of his caliber will cost a fortune on the free market. Houston extended some players at the start of camp to make their salary cap work, and he wasn’t in the mix.

“I love the Houston Texans; the team’s been great, the organization’s been great since I’ve been here,” Williams said this week. “At the end of the day, it’s business. Whatever decision they make, at this point I’m just trying to help the team focus on winning. ... I couldn’t care less about my contract right now. The big picture right now is just for us to do well and fight through the injuries.”

I’ve frequently been asked if I think he will be re-signed, and my answer has been that I think the Texans will use the franchise tag on him.

I figured, too, that a battle over his position could ensue with regard to the tag, like what the Ravens and Terrell Suggs went through in 2008 and 2009.

The Ravens argued Suggs was a linebacker, as he was listed as one on the Pro Bowl ballot. Suggs' representation argued he played more than half of his snaps as a pass-rushing end.

Suggs filed a grievance on getting the right franchise number and the sides finally agreed on a hybrid figure, which was in between the defensive end and linebacker number.

Asking around about the tag, I learned that rough estimates were just given to the clubs.

SportsNation

What should the Texans do with Mario Williams during the offseason?

Sign him long term
Use the franchise tag on him
Allow him to test the free-agent market

In the new CBA, franchise numbers look to be going down. It’s still regarded as “the average of the five-highest paid players at the position from the previous season,” but those words don’t mean what they used to, and it’s actually the average of the five-highest paid players at the position as a share of the salary cap over the past five seasons.

Skip ahead if you don’t care for legalese, or dive in if you want the actual CBA language on it. Here is how a franchise number is now calculated:

(1) Summing the amounts of the Franchise Tags for players at that position for the five preceding League Years; (2) dividing the resulting amount by the sum of the Salary Caps for the five preceding League Years(using the average of the amounts of the 2009 and 2011 Salary Caps as the Salary Cap amount for the 2010 League Year); and (3) multiplying the resulting percentage by the Salary Cap for the upcoming League Year (e.g., when calculating the Tender for the 2012 League Year, dividing the aggregate sum of the Franchise Tags for players at that position for the 2007-201 1 League Years by the aggregate sum of the Salary Caps for the 2007-2011 League Years and multiplying the result by the amount of the Salary Cap for the 2012 League Year) (the "Cap Percentage Average")


So the owners got the numbers tamped down in the new deal. The players will get smaller percentages of a larger cap, but until there is a real cap boom, the resulting number will be lower than it has been.

The safety franchise tag, for instance, accounted for 8.8 percent of the $120 million salary cap last season, but will now be worth roughly 5.1 percent of the cap.

So what’s the difference between a tagged linebacker and end going to look like under the 2012 cap, expected to be about $125 million?

The defensive end number will be roughly 8.8 percent of the cap, down from 12.9.

The linebacker number will be roughly 7.3 percent, down from 10 percent.

So as an end, Williams would get an $11 million tag, and as a linebacker it would be $8.125 million. If the Texans choose to hold onto Williams with a tag, the sides could argue about the $2.875 million difference.

Is Williams an outside linebacker in the Texans 3-4 system? Yes. Have the Texans maintained it’s not very different from what he did as a defensive end, particularly in the nickel package? They have.

So despite clear CBA language that says the tag is determined by the position “at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year,” there could still be a debate over semantics -- is Williams a linebacker if he’s not in a three-point stance, or if he’s lined up where an end lines up is he an end no matter his stance or the team’s scheme?

Williams’ agent, Ben Dogra, didn’t answer an email inquiry about the possible debate.

“If it comes to [a franchise tag], then so be it,” Williams said. “I’m open to whatever, we’ll discuss that. I understand the way things work with salary caps and so forth. Whatever could help the team out, me and my agent will look at every option and go through that.

For tag purposes is he a linebacker or an end?

“I don’t know, I have no idea,” he said. "At the end of the day, obviously I’m still, I am a defensive end. I don’t know how that would go down or whatever. I’m sure either way it will work itself out.

“There are a lot of smart guys up there who can move things around and figure stuff out. I’ll let them handle and my agent that while I support the team anyway I can and get healthy and be ready to play next year.”
 
I would say we do.

You don't let a stud DE go easily.

If Wade really likes what he has without Mario, I would look at maybe leveraging the franchise tag for a trade situation. I would not let Mario walk away.
 
Do whatever, just do NOT let him walk.

I say it's a HUGE mistake to do anything other than keep him. That being said, if he's not back here in '12, then it better had been via trade.

If he leaves, get something for him. Otherwise, keep him.
 
Franchise him only if we can trade him to a team and get compensation.

If not let his ass walk and spend that money on players that are worth it. Mario has proven for years that he "isn't" worth anywhere close to what he's been paid.
 
Franchise him. Either let him play a year franchised ala Dunta or let a team trade for him. He's too good to just let go for a measly chance at a compensatory pick.
 
Would love to franchise him and trade him for two 2nd's or so. Almost anything other than hoping to get a 3rd comp pick for him is better.
 
This information, I believe was presented in another thread and leaves out that Mario will get 120% of his 2011 salary IF tagged. I expect him to sign a long term deal without the tag being applied. Whether he remains on the roster after that is open for discussion.
 
Marc and John did an interview with him on 610 2 or 3 weeks ago.

The thing that struck me was that he said that the Texans would be taking a huge cap hit even if they franchised him. He said that he didn't think that the Texans would want to spend that percentage of the cap on him.
 
His injury this year couldn't have come at a worse time far as his contract status with the Texans goes.

In past years this defense would've been dead without him and drawing double teams and getting pressure on the QB. Since his injury Barwin has really developed into the kind of pass rusher the FO had envisioned when they drafted him (Said from day one he was going to be a mediocre DE but, could be elite as a OLB in the 3-4) and Reed has grasped things really quickly. Which IMO could make him close to expendable if we're going to keep him as a LB.

Would've been nice to see if Williams at LB could be long term, I think physically he's prolly better suited as a 4-3 DE.

I think the Texans are fine either way. I don't see Mario making it a distraction ala Dunta "Pay Me Rick" Robinson.
 
They also have Babin under contract for the next 4-5 years and Trent Cole through next year.
Philly's defense has most observers scratching their heads. They beat Miami and Jets who are not known for offense. I read that there is some consideration of going to the 3-4 next season. Remains to be seen if Juan Castillo has finally gotten D going.

I think Dallas beats them Christmas Eve & Philly wins vs Washington = 7-9 record. Will Andy Reid be allowed to continue? Would Wade Phillips get an offer to be head coach and would he want Mario to be his OLB with Babin on other side?
 
Philly's defense has most observers scratching their heads. They beat Miami and Jets who are not known for offense. I read that there is some consideration of going to the 3-4 next season. Remains to be seen if Juan Castillo has finally gotten D going.

I think Dallas beats them Christmas Eve & Philly wins vs Washington = 7-9 record. Will Andy Reid be allowed to continue? Would Wade Phillips get an offer to be head coach and would he want Mario to be his OLB with Babin on other side?

Wade won't get hired in Philly. He'd get torched over there by the fans. He's to soft personality wise, and the fans wouldn't embrace him there. No way that Philly would hire Wade.

He might leave us, but I just don't see Philly making a run at him.
 
I would franchise him. See if he can stay healthy for a year, and if he can, what type of numbers he puts up over a full 16 game season in this system. At this point, we could let him walk and see him blow up, or sign him to a monster deal and see him continue to be plagued by injuries and/or surpassed by the other guys on the roster. I'll pay an extra penalty up front to take an extra year to make that decision vs. making the wrong decision right now.
 
Philly's defense has most observers scratching their heads. They beat Miami and Jets who are not known for offense. I read that there is some consideration of going to the 3-4 next season. Remains to be seen if Juan Castillo has finally gotten D going.

I think Dallas beats them Christmas Eve & Philly wins vs Washington = 7-9 record. Will Andy Reid be allowed to continue? Would Wade Phillips get an offer to be head coach and would he want Mario to be his OLB with Babin on other side?

I don't think Wade has a certain affinity for Mario, but did see an interesting mix of physical skills that he wanted to try at OLB. With Mario's injury cutting the experiment short, his proven true market value at 4-3 DE. He'll command a hefty salary, but if I am Mario I think I'd like the situation playing across from Pierre-Paul in NY and I think they have the space to swing something.

Far as Reid goes in Philly, I think it's going to be hard for the Eagles to part ways with him. I have a feeling if they do end up at 7-9 Castillo likely gets scape-goated for this season's failure. If they do let Reid go it immediately becomes the best job on the market between the talent they have now and ownership that is aggressive in getting better. I don't think they would go with Phillips. It might be a good enough opening to attract Cowher and/or lure Gruden out of the booth.

IF Phillips does get an offer to return to be a HC, the place that makes mot sense to me is San Diego. Ownership is familiar with him and he built the foundation for their defense years ago. I think it would be prudent for McNair to consider making Phillips one of if not the highest paid coordinator in the league to keep him around.
 
This information, I believe was presented in another thread and leaves out that Mario will get 120% of his 2011 salary IF tagged. I expect him to sign a long term deal without the tag being applied. Whether he remains on the roster after that is open for discussion.


Depending on whom you believe, Mario's tag number will be between $17 million and $22 million. HE WILL NOT BE FRANCHISED. He will be re-signed to a monster deal or allowed to walk. Those are the only two viable options.
 
Franchise him only if we can trade him to a team and get compensation.

If not let his ass walk and spend that money on players that are worth it. Mario has proven for years that he "isn't" worth anywhere close to what he's been paid.

I agree 100%. I have a feeling he is gonna ask for Juluis P money and he aint worth JP money. I only franchise him if we can trade him. If not let him walk.
thank him for his time here and wish him good luck. He is officially labled by me Injury Prone. The proof is in the pood'n! Very good player just brittle since day 1.
 
Franchise him and "let him play! Let him play! Let him play!"

Hopefully the number is in the 9-10M range - good value with plenty of upside.
 
I think his franchise number for next season will be between $22m and $23m ..... thats a lotta jack to pay one guy.


The Franchise tag is the average of the top 5 at the position OR the last years salary plus 20% whichever is greater ... MW would most likely fall into the 20% group.

I could be wrong .... but thats the way I understand it.
 
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