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Mario Is A Bust!

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Maybe we will ;) Wonder who else is out there we could give a one week audition to?

Tomorrow the running game will look a lot more like it did in the preseason. I bet it would look better even if we hadn't traded for Gado. Philly and Indy are completely different animals on defense. The Colts defense can definitely pressure David Carr and our line will have it's hands full trying to protect him. What the Colts defense can't do is stop the running game. The Giants had over 400 yards of offense on Indy last week and almost two hundred of it was on the ground.

We'll run on Indianapolis.
 
Barkley said:
Paging mario Williams.....Paging Mario Williams

Come in Mario Williams
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The Giants have played the Eagles, and the Colts......
The Texans have played the Eagles, and the Colts.....

Why don't you tell us how Michael Strahan did in those games compared to Mario Williams in those games...........

hmm??
 
thunderkyss said:
The Giants have played the Eagles, and the Colts......
The Texans have played the Eagles, and the Colts.....

Why don't you tell us how Michael Strahan did in those games compared to Mario Williams in those games...........

hmm??
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Nine tackles and zero sacks.
 
At this point it's not really fair to compare Mario Vs. Strahan....Strahan has been in the leauge for years and Mario is just a rookie....I think the problem most people have with Mario is that he hasn't looked good...We know Strahan is better than Mario...We know Strahan at this point is a better pass rusher than Mario...because both of them have 0 sacks means nothing.....The problem I have with Mario is this....Our defense is lacking talent on all levels...D-line, LB, and DB's....now having said that, Mario hasn't stood out what so ever and I believe that if we take someone with the number 1 overall pick, and put him on a defense pretty much filled with scrubs, he should atleast stand out some what from the bunch...he hasn't...He has just come in and fit right in...I know Travis Johnson, and Babin have more experience than Mario, but they look much better...With the "physical tools" Mario has, IMO, it shouldn't be too difficult for him to have made some kind of statement in these past 2 games....and I recognize it's only been two games, but I haven't seen Mario do much of anything....He's strong...he's fast...he's quick....But when is he going to start coming off the ball...when is he going to get his pad level down...when is he going to start looking like a beast ? I'm not asking for d.r.o.y...I just want Mario to show some signs, and thus far he hasn't....I am really hoping Mario turns out the way he is supposed to but right now he and the rest of the rag tag bunch haven't been giving us much to be optimistic about...
 
New_Texans said:
Why do people do this?


Its 2 games and mario almost b*tch slapped Peyton.
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I don't think some people watched the same game we were. He was up in Manning's grille all day.
 
Last week- 2 tackles.
This week- 5 tackles.

Looks like improvement to me. I don't think we can ask for much more. It's like having a bad defense is something new around here.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
How many sacks would Mario have if he played the Texans ?
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3 no doubt about it...then people would be like..."why didnt we draft him, Reggie Bush/Vince Young is a bust" Go drink your beer and eat your brauts so-called Texans fan.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Last week- 2 tackles.
This week- 5 tackles.

Looks like improvement to me. I don't think we can ask for much more. It's like having a bad defense is something new around here.
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Im not sure where you get your stats from...but NFL.com has him down for 5 total over the course of these 2 games....Mario had 2 tackles this past game....

And about your little note at the bottom of the screen....You are right...our defense is horrible....thats the problem I have....If our defense is so horrible, why doesn't Mario stand out ?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
And about your little note at the bottom of the screen....You are right...our defense is horrible....thats the problem I have....If our defense is so horrible, why doesn't Mario stand out ?
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What should he do...drop back into coverage?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Im not sure where you get your stats from...but NFL.com has him down for 5 total over the course of these 2 games....Mario had 2 tackles this past game....

And about your little note at the bottom of the screen....You are right...our defense is horrible....thats the problem I have....If our defense is so horrible, why doesn't Mario stand out ?
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Because, hes a rookie who is getting double and triple teamed not to mention he doesnt have to basic skills that a DE like strahan would have at this moment.
 
New_Texans said:
Because, hes a rookie who is getting double and triple teamed not to mention he doesnt have to basic skills that a DE like strahan would have at this moment.
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He is not getting double and tripple teamed...That is something that has been repeated over and over again, and now people think it's a fact...He probably has been double teamed before...not on a regular basis, and I never recall him being tripple teamed....I'll put it this way...He hasn't been shown anymore attention(on the field) than any elite DE at this moment...Why would they ? he hasn't proven himself yet....

And you are right...he shouldn't even be compared to Strahan...I never did that...I am not a stat person, so I could care less how many tackles Mario had...I think Manny Lawson has a sack...first of his career...doesn't mean he's better than Strahan, or Mario for that matter.....Mario hasn't looked impressive in real time and thats a problem...I have seen positives from him, but that is after I have watched the game again, looking specifically at him...I think Mario will get better but I will reserve my judgement for how much better...
 
Battle Red Bull said:
What should he do...drop back into coverage?
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He hasn't even stood out amongst the D-lineman....Lets wait till he becomes our best D-lineman, and then we'll worry about him being our best defender...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
He is not getting double and tripple teamed...That is something that has been repeated over and over again, and now people think it's a fact...He probably has been double teamed before...not on a regular basis, and I never recall him being tripple teamed....I'll put it this way...He hasn't been shown anymore attention(on the field) than any elite DE at this moment...Why would they ? he hasn't proven himself yet....

And you are right...he shouldn't even be compared to Strahan...I never did that...I am not a stat person, so I could care less how many tackles Mario had...I think Manny Lawson has a sack...first of his career...doesn't mean he's better than Strahan, or Mario for that matter.....Mario hasn't looked impressive in real time and thats a problem...I have seen positives from him, but that is after I have watched the game again, looking specifically at him...I think Mario will get better but I will reserve my judgement for how much better...
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If you saw the HEY Rookie Welcome to the NFL doc, you could tell that Mario had alot of learning to do. He didnt know the "swim" move properly and he was just use to running over people. In college he was a man among boys, his strenght dwarfed the other OL men he went against. In the NFL those Olinemen are as strong if not stronger. Be patient!!! for crying out loud! it will take time, and I absolutly hate how everyone expected him to be Shaun Merriman all the sudden.

DEs take longer than LBs to look impressive because DE are not going to be in every single play.

Mario will have his sack next week but we wont see him be amazing (well as amazing as a rookie can be) until later on in the season. Just be patient!!!!!!! HES A ROOKIE!!!!!!!!
 
New_Texans said:
DEs take longer than LBs to look impressive because DE are not going to be in every single play.

Mario will have his sack next week but we wont see him be amazing until later on in the season. Just be patient!!!!!!! HES A ROOKIE!!!!!!!!
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I respect your opinion...And I never expected Mario to come out and make a bunch of plays...I never expected Mario to be a superstar from day 1...but what I did expect I haven't seen....I expected a player who knew how to play football...Mario comes off the ball high, has no moves, and tries to use strength and speed all the time...I haven't seen any instincts...I basically haven't seen anything that a 3rd or 4th round DE couldn't have done...and I know he will get better as the season progresses...but at this point I am wondering how much better...the only difference between Mario and some other DE's that were in the draft were his measurables...Hopefully our coaches can translate that into on the field production...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I respect your opinion...And I never expected Mario to come out and make a bunch of plays...I never expected Mario to be a superstar from day 1...but what I did expect I haven't seen....I expected a player who knew how to play football...Mario comes off the ball high, has no moves, and tries to use strength and speed all the time...I haven't seen any instincts...I basically haven't seen anything that a 3rd or 4th round DE couldn't have done...and I know he will get better as the season progresses...but at this point I am wondering how much better...the only difference between Mario and some other DE's that were in the draft were his measurables...Hopefully our coaches can translate that into on the field production...
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Well, thats what happens when you can dominate in college by just bull rushing the OL that he was facing. Its the "If it aint broke then dont fix it" rule. Now, since he is in the NFL it the "Its not really broken but you must make improvements then dont fix it" rule.
 
Bsacamano said:
Ummm....yeah, that's why Peyton had over 400 yards passing

Thanks for playing
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I didn't say he sacked him.

Sorry that you didn't see what I saw. I saw him put pressure on the QB.

A TV broadcast pretty much just follows the ball. You can't really see what's going on in the trenches by watching the game on TV....you didn't see anything...I did.

Peyton had over 400 yards passing because the DB's gave it to him.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
I didn't say he sacked him.

Sorry that you didn't see what I saw. I saw him put pressure on the QB.

A TV broadcast pretty much just follows the ball. You can't really see what's going on in the trenches by watching the game on TV....you didn't see anything...I did.
Peyton had over 400 yards passing because the DB's gave it to him.
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So he got pressure after the ball was thrown ??? :francis: :homer:
 
Bsacamano said:
I was watching Mario on EVERY play. He got within sniffing distance a couple of times, but NEVER put "pressure" on Manning
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ehhh...thats not true either...he actually hit manning on one play a long with another Texan...
 
Bsacamano said:
I was watching Mario on EVERY play. He got within sniffing distance a couple of times, but NEVER put "pressure" on Manning
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Maybe your CBS broadcast is different than mine. Mine shows where the ball's going, so I can't really focus too much on how a lineman plays. If I'm at the game, I can focus on one guy that doesn't get the ball.

Looked like pressure to me. :twocents:
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Maybe your CBS broadcast is different than mine. Mine shows where the ball's going, so I can't really focus too much on how a lineman plays. If I'm at the game, I can focus on one guy that doesn't get the ball.

Looked like pressure to me. :twocents:
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What you're saying makes no sense...the QB has the ball until he throws it...The Camera is on the QB until he throws it...therefore we can see the QB, and DL until he throws the ball..am I missing something ?:tease:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So he got pressure after the ball was thrown ??? :francis: :homer:
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Go watch the game again.

Call me a homer all you want. Maybe I am. I can deal with the fact that we didn't take Reggie Bush in the draft. I'm not going to judge the guy that we did draft by the same standard that he gets judged.

You can turn up every Monday saying "Mario didn't do this, Mario didn't do that."
All I'm hearing is "Mario isn't Reggie Bush."
 
Superstar said:
Still bent over the reggie bush thing? I knew if reggie played against a real team he wouldnt do so well. He had like six carrries and five yards in the last game. :crutch:
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Nope.....I just want to see SOMETHING from the guy who we picked #1 overall and gave a $54 Million contract too
 
Bsacamano said:
Nope.....I just want to see SOMETHING from the guy who we picked #1 overall and gave a $54 Million contract too
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then you'll probably want to cut holes in your paper bag, Champ ....
 
Bsacamano said:
LOL....yes, I think that would help
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My post wasn't meant to make you laugh .... it was meant to show the hypocrisy in posting that you'll be wearing a paper bag (in another thread) and then that you want to see ..... nevermind :cool:
 
Superstar said:
Still bent over the reggie bush thing? I knew if reggie played against a real team he wouldnt do so well. He had like six carrries and five yards in the last game. :crutch:
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How bout the 8 receptions for 68 yards and some critical 3rd down conversions?
 
BigSaint8050 said:
How bout the 8 receptions for 68 yards and some critical 3rd down conversions?
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Lets face it ...

Bush and Mario and most of the other first round picks played like rookies in there first 2 games. (imagine that!) The only difference is the Saints played 2 struggling teams. and the Texans played 2 playoff level teams.

Give it half of a season and then we can do the almost rediculous comparisons between a DE and a RB.
 
chuckm said:
My post wasn't meant to make you laugh .... it was meant to show the hypocrisy in posting that you'll be wearing a paper bag (in another thread) and then that you want to see ..... nevermind :cool:
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There is nothing hypoctrical about it... the fact that he hasn't shown squat doesn't mean that I won't be rooting for him or this team. They are an embarasssment
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:fireball: You got yourself a fine WR.
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And let a better one(Stallworth) go. I think Mario is doing OK for a guy w/ 2 games under his belt. He had the gumption to ask the coaches to let him stay at DE and quit moving him. Pretty ballsy for a guy with the weight if the Texans world on his shoulders. He also has only 1 move-the speed rush. Pretty common for rookie DE's to need time to develope a repitoire of moves after being THE stud in college and "a man among boys" at that level. i bet all you doom and gloom "Mario's a bust" guys were just perfect when you got your 1st job in your chosen career. Have some perspective and patience. And RB ain't exactly tearing it up, so 'nuff of THAT stuff.
 
BigSaint8050 said:
How bout the 8 receptions for 68 yards and some critical 3rd down conversions?
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Stallworth would've had almost 200 yards on 8 catches...... but if you're happy with your trade off......... :ok:
 
I dont know why u all are judging Mario's performance on every play, I mean, he got pressure on Peyton Manning, and that is what he is supposed to do, just because Peyton threw for 400 yards doesn't mean that is his fault, He isnt a DB, so as far as I am concerned, once the ball is thrown, whether it is caught or tipped or intercepted, or anything.....that part isn't Mario's Problem!

I'm just waiting for his first sack....
 
I love how some fans will lie to themselves just to make them feel better about their team. I keep hearing everyone compare him to Peppers. Yeah Peppers had a bad 1st game, 1 assisted tackle, but went off in his second game with 5 tackles and 3 sacks. Remember Peppers had 12 sacks in 12 games his rookie year.

I am not saying Bush is the greatest player of all time, but has made a contribution to both wins this season. Running they have used him as basically a decoy, but have really utilized him in the passing game. He has converted 10 1st downs in two games. That says alot.
 
thunderkyss said:
Stallworth would've had almost 200 yards on 8 catches...... but if you're happy with your trade off......... :ok:
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Whats Stallworth have to do with Bush? Stallworth was traded because they thought 7th round draft pick Colston could handle the job. Btw, Colston has caught 8 balls for 102 yards and 2 TD's. They also got MLB Simoneau in the trade, who has started both games at MLBer for us.

I am not saying Mario is a bust, but you can no way be happy about his performance thus far, I don't care how big of a homer you claim to be.
 
BigSaint8050 said:
I love how some fans will lie to themselves just to make them feel better about their team. I keep hearing everyone compare him to Peppers. Yeah Peppers had a bad 1st game, 1 assisted tackle, but went off in his second game with 5 tackles and 3 sacks. Remember Peppers had 12 sacks in 12 games his rookie year.

I am not saying Bush is the greatest player of all time, but has made a contribution to both wins this season. Running they have used him as basically a decoy, but have really utilized him in the passing game. He has converted 10 1st downs in two games. That says alot.
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We've been through this 2059621059626571687661376873637 times.....and counting....

Why are we still comparing RB and MW ???

What does one players success have to do with another players success ?

Mario was the better pick for us, and RB was the better pick for you all...period...

Reggie isn't better than Mario and Mario isn't better than Reggie...

I honestly hope both are great players, but It seems like all saint fans want to do is boast about some early success...Other fans come here to talk football and most Saint fans just talk about Bush...Man ya'll got him...hooray...:shoot:
 
BigSaint8050 said:
Whats Stallworth have to do with Bush? Stallworth was traded because they thought 7th round draft pick Colston could handle the job. Btw, Colston has caught 8 balls for 102 yards and 2 TD's. They also got MLB Simoneau in the trade, who has started both games at MLBer for us.

I am not saying Mario is a bust, but you can no way be happy about his performance thus far, I don't care how big of a homer you claim to be.
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Colston does look good....

If you don't watch the game and only look at stats you'd be dissapointed with a lot of players that are supposed to be doing big things...It's harder to judge a DE's success compared to a RB/WR/KR....He has 3 ways he can build his stats...All people care about with Mario is Sacks....
 
So far he's a major bust because the surface is so much faster than he played on in college most Saturdays. This league rewards speed rushers, little guys who can tunnel past OT's. I cannot believe the schedule that made our young team play in Indy the second week. Indy's surface is a lightening fast track. Putting Spencer up against the preeminent pass rusher on his home surface, poor kid. It makes me sick to death Spencer got hurt bad.

Again, Mario is looking to hook arms with guys and wrestle. He's a tackle in this league. He aint no edge rusher on a fast track. That would be the guys for Indy.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
It took Strahan 2 or 3 years to become the Michael Strahan of today .
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Exactly - I'm a Giants fan, and I remember how everyone thought that amiable, overweight kid from a small Texas school would never make it in Gotham.........patience!
 
PoolMaster21 said:
Exactly - I'm a Giants fan, and I remember how everyone thought that amiable, overweight kid from a small Texas school would never make it in Gotham.........patience!
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he was also a second round pick that was injured for most of his first year and was considered raw and a bit of a project. We are paying premium money to Williams at the top of the draft where you aren't supposed to be a project.
 
Vinny said:
he was also a second round pick that was injured for most of his first year and was considered raw and a bit of a project. We are paying premium money to Williams at the top of the draft where you aren't supposed to be a project.
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true...........
 
BigSaint8050 said:
I love how some fans will lie to themselves just to make them feel better about their team. I keep hearing everyone compare him to Peppers. Yeah Peppers had a bad 1st game, 1 assisted tackle, but went off in his second game with 5 tackles and 3 sacks. Remember Peppers had 12 sacks in 12 games his rookie year.

I am not saying Bush is the greatest player of all time, but has made a contribution to both wins this season. Running they have used him as basically a decoy, but have really utilized him in the passing game. He has converted 10 1st downs in two games. That says alot.
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I wonder if any of these Saints fans have actually looked at their remaining schedule. Good for them that they got their two wins right off the bat, cause they don't get to play the Packers and Browns anymore, everyone is getting a bit ahead of themselves. As far as Bush goes; be happy that he's so great catching passes, because he sure isn't running the ball; he'll have a highlight here and there, but not much else....
 
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