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Bsacamano said:
And I'll be laughing everytime you say "Sorryo" and "Bustio".
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And I'll be laughing everytime you say "Sorryo" and "Bustio".
dwilt72
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Bsacamano said:
I like the Sorryo name! Here is a quote from the Chronicle from Kubiak:
"The thing we don't want to lose sight of is that he's very athletic, and when he has a chance to take a gap and create some havoc and get to the quarterback, sometimes I think he gets a little apprehensive, assignment-wise, instead of cutting it loose.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4182838.html
This is exactly what I've thought all along. He is too apprehensive and doesn't seem to be a high motor guy. In college against lesser talented O-Lines, he ate them up and got a lot of sacks. However you put him against guys with similar talent he seems to be just watching the action on the field. They paid a lot of money for him to be a spectator.....shoot pay me that kind of money and I'll watch too!
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
God man you're a hard nose ain't cha? I'll admit the kid isn't as aggressive as a DB SHOULD BE at this level. But he'll get there. Besides which, this is the FIRST game of the boy's rookie season. He'll improve.
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Nawzer
Alienz
Mario Williams to me is like Yao Ming in his first year with the Rockets. Remember those days? Yao at times was embarassingly bad and I still remember that Marbury crossover on Yao. That was bad. Anyway, Yao also plays a premier position which is the center position. Everyone in the league is looking for a good center just like everyone in the NFL is looking for good DEs. With time we saw Yao improve and it was much much harder for Yao. He came from another country, didn't play college ball, different culture and team mates, different style of ball all together. Compare that to Mario Williams I think Mario is not going to take a long while to develop into the type of player we want him to become. I think it's going to take a bit of time and comparing him to Reggie Bush is completely moronic. They play 2 completely different positions. It's Reggie's job to get yards and score and it's Mario's job to stop that. He didn't have a great first game but it's only his first game! Give him a chance and I think he'll show us why the Texans drafted him. The key is for the Texans to win and I keep saying that. And this is coming from a guy who was in in the pro-Reggie draft camp! 
I think one commentator hit the nail on the head when they said he did not have a finesse game whatsoever. He's a DE that looks like he's playing a nose guard out there. What's also disspointing is that great pass rushers have sick speed. I didn't see much speed from Mario last Sun. And it's not something you can really learn. Mario just needs to find his game, and it's just going to take a couple weeks until he finds it.
But the lack of speed really bothers me, as it doesn't look like he can make an instant impact as a speed rusher.
But the lack of speed really bothers me, as it doesn't look like he can make an instant impact as a speed rusher.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Mario is fast, but like any rookie, he has to work on footwork and technique. Most people don't notice all the minute details of pass rushing, it's not just trying to go around the linemen or push through them.
phan1 said:
I thought Mario showed great speed on a few plays...... he showed great power on a few plays...... I think his problem is more about focus....
I think he looked great for a rookie. This crap about McNabb having all day to throw the ball, I couldn't find one play where McNabb didn't have more than 2.5 seconds to throw the ball, where he didn't scramble to make a play.
As soon as the game was over, that dude on the radio was all..... Mario wasn't doubled at all.. which is also totally false..... all of our guys were doubled at one time or another during the game...
I honestly think McNabb & the Eagles were given a lot of MichaelJordan calls. there was a lot of holding, and blocking in the back, that just went uncalled.
But as for Mario's speed......
On this play, Mario is doubled.
Babin & Peek run around the outside edges... they beat both tackles, pretty badly. Donovan steps into the pocket so he doesn't get hit by either of them.
The right tackle has his hand in Babin's shoulder pad, you can clearly see him leading Babin away from McNabb with this hold, and the way he pulls. kinda slinging Babin away. I can see a ref letting this one go..... it's kinda tickytacky.
Peek beats #88 bad... he pushes peek, both hands in the numbers on the back of Peeks Jersey, definitely should've been called.
Mario plays tackle here. he blows past the LG, and attacks 88. Bullrushes him to the McNabb..... McNabb feels the pressure, and moves up into the pocket.
Babin meanwhile fakes an outside move, then races inside..... he's free to McNabb, but over runs him, he chases McNabb, out of the pocket.
Mario was doubled...... Babin gets fooled by LJ's block.... LJ catches this screen(check down)
Mario is doubled by RG & Center. Babin is led around the pocket... Peek is being held by LT.Peek is trying to pull away, as he has position, wants to get McNabb, but the LT has a bunch of jersey.
We send a blitz on this one. I think it's Mcleon in the backfield, with a clear shot at McNabb. Mcnabb does his play action thing, when he is face to face with Mcleon, Mcleon freezes, giving McNabb the time to throw his pass to Brown.
We got plenty of pressure on McNabb.... McNabb, like Peyton have the uncanny ability to handle pressure well.
Koolbrz
Waterboy
thunderkyss said:
I really hate to see say this Thunder, but this Mario dude is a joke. Hell of a number one pick!!! He just plain out looked lost out there. I almost watched the entire game in slow motion keying on him and what i saw was not a very good thing. I hate the fact that now everyone is making excuses about his play. We all just need to accept the fact that he is no where near being the next J. Peppers. He did nothing to impress me in college and he is doing nothing to impress me in the pros. Oh, by the way, we are now scrambling looking for a running back, picking up everyone elses left overs. Not a good thing when we could have had RB, Deangelo Williams, maybe even Maroney, but hey what do i know about football right? One thing is for sure "Mario Is Not The Man" Dont get me wrong i would love for him to dominate and be a Beast on defense, i just dont see it. He does not have the same fire Ryans has. He is a Rookie also, by the way.
Koolbrz said:
I bet he sacks Manning..... would that make everything okay??
I'm not making excuses for him. what you quoted, is me saying where he screwed up.
The post above yours, is where I'm pointing out him being doubled on every play of a particular series.
I'll make excuses for him later on in the year.... about why he can't snoop out a screen or something.
But I truly think he is everything we thought he was, and he will be everything we hope......
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texan279 said:
how does it seem like that ? Be honest with yourslef...Bush was a great RB coming out and most people didn't know who Mario was...If you weren't a Texan fan, or even if you were a casual fan, you would probably think the same thing...get over it....Bush is going to recieve the hype and IMO, he deserves it....He won the Heisman, two national championships..and on and on...Mario hasn't accomplished as much and he's a DE...We know Mario was the best move for us...all this whining and complaining about Bush has just passed ridiculous and is on it's way to looneyville....give...it...a....rest
texan279
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xtruroyaltyx said:
Get over what? That the majority of the board jumped off the Bush wagon and onto the Mario wagon after we drafted Mario but now after one game everyone is ready to jump back on the Bush wagon? And for the record I didn't whine about anything, all I did was state my opinion. You are the one who seems to have the problem when someone mentions Bush in a negative light.
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texan279 said:
I am just tired of the Bush bashing....This is a Texans board...Bush plays for the Saints...yet in every thread someone brings up his name..most of the time negatively....I don't know how "most of the board" feels about Bush...and honestly I don't care...it's just so annoying to see...why do they love bush, Bush sucks, He hasn't proven anything...waaaahhhhh waaahhhhh....every where you turn...get over it...thats all i'm saying...It is what it is....He deserves more publicity than Mario at this point...Don't be mad at Bush....Root for Mario...
texan279
Hall of Fame
xtruroyaltyx said:
I never said anything negative about Bush, just stated an opinion. I'm not mad at anyone. And so who cares who says what about Bush? People can say whatever they want here as long as it is not vulgar, we all have opinions and we can post them. And honestly I have not seen anyone whine about Bush, but even if they do who cares? If you don't like reading people's opinions about him or if people's opinion's anger you that much about him I don't know what to tell you.
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texan279 said:
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Porky said:
Why isn't anyone talking about Maroney of the Pats? He had more "all purpose" yards than Bush did. This Bush talk is getting rediculous.:brickwall
http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NE
http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NO
Porky
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HOU-TEX said:
Maroney had a very good game as well. I think that was a great pick by NE, and I was high on him as well coming out. But, it is a bit of apples and oranges in comparison. Much more of his yardage was return yardage. And kickoff return yardage at that, which will inflate his numbers some. Bush had the better game. Let's look at non-return yardage:
Maroney -
17 rushes for 86 yards
0 catches for 0 yards
86 total yards
Bush -
15 rushes for 67 yards
7 catches for 52 yards
119 total yards
Txn_in_FL
All Pro
Porky said:
But he still had 19 more yards on only 2 more carries. If you break it down even futher to only rushing yards then Maroney had the better game.
Right?
I just think the constant Bush stuff is getting tedious. The fans are just feeding off the media hype and letting it get to them. The problem I have is with the people who are screaming bust after only one game. Gimme a break.
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HOU-TEX
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Porky said:
I see your point. I just like the way Maroney runs with the ball. I watched the replay on NFL Network and really noticed how he looked so mature with the football. Holding the ball correctly, switching arms with the ball when needed. I think he's going to be a really good back for years to come.
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texan279 said:
I really don't think it was poor performance by Mario that sparked this Mario hate. I think it was the fact that we lost, and we can't(I can) blame David. Then with all we're hearing about our running game....... we came out flat. Never mind the fact that we didn't run much zone blocking for whatever reason. Then David get's sacked 4 times(tripped once)....
McNabb slid behind the LOS outside the tackles, but nobody's criticizing him, because he won...
When we drafted Mario, we knew this was what we were going to get here on the board. We talked about it.. & now we're getting it.
Just read the article on the texans sight and found some interesting stuff, The Texans have gained the most yards on the ground then the other opponents, against the Colts and have lost 8 in a row, the Colts had about the same on the ground last week as we did and they won, the Giants ran the ball more than us and the Colts and lost to the Colts. So when anyone says that we need to run to be able to pass, thay're giving an opinion not a fact. I think too many people follow what some great coaches have said, but even Bill Parcells, who lives and dies by the run, had Bledsoe-in the Patriot days- throw the ball some 60+ times to get a win. Losing taste bad, not trying to win with what works taste worse.
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HOU-TEX said:I believe in the offensive scheme we now use, the pass is set up by the running game. Plat action passing and the Bootleg are both set up by the run.
Thats true...but when you are playing against good DE's the bootleg will be taken away like it was last sunday...
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HOU-TEX said:You don't think it was taken away due to the lack of running well? If we were running the ball like we are supposed to, I believe the bootleg that Kearse foiled would've been avoided.
Running well will only greatly affect the linebackers and safeties on the bootleg...They knew we were a bootleg running team so they probably told their DE's to stay home when they see runs away instead of coming down the line...A good DE who knows we run bootlegs is going to stay home and make sure the QB doesn't have the ball...The only way he may start crashing is if we are absolutely gashing, but even then i'd be surprised to see a good DE leave his responsibility and just sprint down the line....If we weren't a bootleg team Kearse would have come down the line regardless of how well we were running the ball ,just to try and get a tackle...
For a more recient comparison, hows about Julius Peppers 1st game as a rookie. Humm...............ONE ASSISTED TACKLE!!!!
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302214/gamelogs/2002
M. Williams 2 Tackles 1 assist.
Compair apples to apples PEOPLE!!!!
I really don't like haters.... give the guy a season to figure it out. He is a rookie (21 years old). How were you like at 21.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302214/gamelogs/2002
M. Williams 2 Tackles 1 assist.
Compair apples to apples PEOPLE!!!!
I really don't like haters.... give the guy a season to figure it out. He is a rookie (21 years old). How were you like at 21.
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Texans Front Row Crew said:
I will find out in 6 days!!!!
xtruroyaltyx said:
You know you 21 when you can pay for beer with a Credit Card
Does anyone know how Jevon Kearse did his first game (1999?). I know he won ROY and had 14+ SACKS. But I can't find the first game info????
I didn't know he (Jevon) was related to P-buc.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
El Tejano said:
Seems to me like the defense wasn't in a rebuilding mode then. They at least had a system there that they'd been using for years.
I could be wrong...I wasn't following the Titans too closely back then. The extent of it for me was rooting against them in the playoffs.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
El Tejano said:
Gary Walker left for Jax in 1999. The D wasn't great, but it wasn't anything like what has been here. 1998 the Titans went 8-8 and then 13-3 in 1999.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Well then the question is ... will the defense take off as Mario takes off or will Mario take off as the defense takes off ?
South Texan
Waterboy
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Yes.
Koolbrz
Waterboy
xtruroyaltyx said:
I would love to root for Mario....If he only gave us SOMETHING to root about. I don't mean to bring up Bush at all, i would have been very happy with DeAngelo or Maroney at running back. Instead we go after this guy because we can, SIGN HIM BEFORE TRAINING CAMP, and not because of what he can do. We are really hurting at the RB position right now and a fresh couple of them legs i mentioned would have been nice to have on this team. Instead we are trading players for other players other teams dont want...lol. I said it a few mths back, The RB position was gonna be our achilles heel, and here we are. Oh well, we can all sit around now and watch our running game go to hell, oh and watch Mario get smacked around all season long too. I Love this freakin team, I just dont agree with that damn #1 pick and the players that we are putting in at RB.
TexanBronco
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Barkley said:
Ok thats a real set of stats to say that he is/will be a bust LAFAO but anyways do you think its all Marios fault that we gave up 400 yards? and another thing its one game chillout people
Wolf
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Porky said:
in all fairness anyone can juggle the numbers to prove a point.Bush was know for coming out of college as a triple threat whether receiving,returning and rushing.. plain and simple..
I am not arguing with your point but that those 3 things in college is what made everyone love Bush.
Koolbrz said:
2 tackles, 1 assist for a rookie DE, I think, is about the same as 150 yards from scrimage for a rookie RB.
No doubt 150 yards isn't an every day occurence, but it isn't exactly rare in the NFL. In Domanick Davis' first start, he ran for 129 yards, and recieved another 70 yards. I don't know what he did in the return game(or if he was even used)..... He did it 6 times in his second year, once going over 200 yards total against the Colts.
Now if that were 150 yards with a touchdown....... that would have definitely been better. 150 yards with a win.... looks better, but when our offense only scored 10 points......
200 yards from scrimmage...... would've been "amazing"....... and definitely better than 2 tackles, 1 Assist.
But what they did, I think is about equal.
Mario a bust after ONE NFL regular season game. Guess Wali Lundy and Owen Daniels ought to be put on the practice squad too? Come on. Our team will be lucky to come out of the first half of the season with 2 wins. Look for a 2nd half where it starts coming together. Then a decent draft of skill players, and secondary. Watch this team mature and kick butt in '08. We're having a NFL mulligan here. 4-12 in 2006, 7-9 in '07, 11-5 and a playoff team in 2008.
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Koolbrz said:
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Koolbrz said:
Thats what a trade is...You are trading a player that you think you can do without in order to get someone who you think will help you more....
RiotCommander
Rookie
Why are we giving Mario such a hard time after one game? Carr was drafted #1 overall too. He is just now starting to come around. I don't suggest that we just wait years and years, but we really should relax.
I see whats fueling this sentiment that Mario is a bust. Bush fans who feel cheated want to vent about the decision. Just realize that neither player is right now what they will be in three years. Also, like it or not Mario is our player, and we should support him.
I was not for drafting Mario, but I will support him as long as he has that jersey on.
Anyway thats my view on all this... Feel free to flame away. Go Texans!
I see whats fueling this sentiment that Mario is a bust. Bush fans who feel cheated want to vent about the decision. Just realize that neither player is right now what they will be in three years. Also, like it or not Mario is our player, and we should support him.
I was not for drafting Mario, but I will support him as long as he has that jersey on.
Anyway thats my view on all this... Feel free to flame away. Go Texans!
Koolbrz
Waterboy
xtruroyaltyx said:
Come on Dude...Samkon Gado...give me a break. If they were serious about bringing in a RB they should go after someone like Thomas Jones maybe. Anyone can be had for the right price. They just need to know how to play there cards right. Samkon is damaged goods also...had a knee injury to end his season last yr also, did he not.
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