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noxiousdog
Rookie
Vinny said:
About who?
Williams certainly didn't have a good game. We'd better get more than that out of him to justify a #1 overall pick. But, unless you're willing to say that Freeney and Umeniora suck as much as Mario, It's probably better to wait a few games.
And to be honest, I'd not have posted if it hadn't been your commentary. You said he sucks, and I was curious as to who you were comparing him.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Hulk75 said:.............Funny..........I was not fat.Far from it.
I thought my caveat was enough--you see what I mean though about looking at Mario and TJ, right?
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Vinny said:
I'm still waiting for you to do this.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Vinny said:
Get crackin' on watchin that tape. In all seriousness, I want you to exploit his flaws. Please do this, soon. At least then you will have something to attack me with. Otherwise.... like you said.... this is all bologna.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
infantrycak said:
Totally agree that we need to leave him at DE. Putting him at tackle on passing downs off the bat may be too much to ask in his rookie year. Mario is not a bust but the guy showed so little in his inaugural game that it makes you wonder whether he is over his head against top competition.
It's a statistical fact that Mario only put up big numbers against inferior competition within the ACC and out of conference. He would get 3 or 4 sacks against Duke or Wake Forest but would be shut down against Florida State, Clemson, etc....I hope that trend doesnt continue in the NFL because there are very few players from Wake Forest and Duke...I am just worried he is another workout warrior without heart and moxie...
doug ftw
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I sat there in person and watched his game....I posted earlier that I pretty much just watched him...and watched him get dominated over and over. I probably had a better angle at the game than I have on TV tape. He was blocked by one man easily over and over. It didn't matter if it was a Guard or a Tackle...he wasn't able to shed any blocks at all.TexansLucky13 said:
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
OK Mario did not look like Reggie White in his prime ... so what ... Willie Mays went 0-27 before he got his first hit . Lets see if he sucks the next 15 games .
Anyone catch the stat of Runyan and Thomas starting 108 straight games at LT/RT ?
This is no excuse but the Eagles look like their going to be NFC contenders this year . I think the Texans are'nt that bad , the Eagles are pretty stout .
Anyone catch the stat of Runyan and Thomas starting 108 straight games at LT/RT ?
This is no excuse but the Eagles look like their going to be NFC contenders this year . I think the Texans are'nt that bad , the Eagles are pretty stout .
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I suspect if Mario sucks the next two games ... he'll become a bigger topic than Carr . Mario will then become Carr's favorite player .Vinny said:
Vinny
shiny happy fan
When you accept that large chunk of the cap as the first overall you get the tough stuff that goes with it. Welcome to the tough stuff Mario.Honoring Earl 34 said:I suspect if Mario sucks the next two games ... he'll become a bigger topic than Carr . Mario will then become Carr's favorite player .
SF49erFaithful
Crabtree FTW
I didn't see the game. Did he really play as bad as most of say?
Anyway, no matter how bad he performed, he is still a rookie and this was his first game. In addition, the Eagles have a pretty good O-line. Don't be concerned that you guys lost either. It is just week 1 and don't put a whole lot of stock into it. Just try to take out all the positives of the game and look forward to next week. Heck, we lost today, but i am actually happy. Alex Smith and Frank Gore lit up the place.
BTW, how did Demeco Ryans look?
Anyway, no matter how bad he performed, he is still a rookie and this was his first game. In addition, the Eagles have a pretty good O-line. Don't be concerned that you guys lost either. It is just week 1 and don't put a whole lot of stock into it. Just try to take out all the positives of the game and look forward to next week. Heck, we lost today, but i am actually happy. Alex Smith and Frank Gore lit up the place.
BTW, how did Demeco Ryans look?
Texan1 said:
Yes teacher, you are trying to talk to me like a kid. I'm not trying to defend him, he played badly, but he's not the only one who played bad, makes money, 1st round pick. Last time I checked it was the ultimate team game. I'm saying ya'll are quick to jump on a rook when he wasn't put in positions to make plays, nor did he have help. Now I understand your opinion about it but don't try to force yours on me. If your saying we need to get our moneys worth out of every player, there is a long list buddy.
Carr, Davis, Greenwood, Wong, McKinney, Dunta, Andre the list goes on and on. The team has talent but they don't always play up to there monitary value(money).
jamiethekiller
Practice Squad
you guys are going too hard on him. he went against a vet LT. who has gone to the pro bowl several times, and is heralded at times as the second best pass blocking LT in the league.
michaelm
vox nihili
Vinny said:
Well, there's your problem right there... you might be able to get away with it at the college level, but I don't think you can have much success in the pros if you're playing stoned...
*edit*
Came back to say... of all the posts to get a positive rep for, this one earned one in about 5 minutes? I guess that's the crowd you play to at 1:01 am...
michaelm
vox nihili
I'm still up in the air about how shifting Mario around effects his development, but you really have to think it can't exactly be accelerating it.
You may be right about the committe approach with our backs, but the line needs to gel some (alot) before either of those guys has a fair shot to succeed.
You may be right about the committe approach with our backs, but the line needs to gel some (alot) before either of those guys has a fair shot to succeed.
noxiousdog
Rookie
Vinny said:
I didn't see it that way, but I've only watched the game twice at this point.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
What did you see then? I was sober and didn't tailgate...so fill me in on what I missed please. I could have missed a play when I was talking to aj and infantrycak at the start of the 3rd quarter before I got back to my seat...but I was watching Mario closely the entire game.noxiousdog said:
noxiousdog
Rookie
I saw him as involved as Freeney and Umenyiora. I watched the Colts/Giants game as well, and specifically watched those two guys to see what all-pro ends looked like. The main difference being that the other two used more moves to get off their blocks (which they didn't do very well). And Freeney looked worse against the run. The Giants ran right inside him several times because they knew he over commits. Indy didn't run much at all.
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Guest
Vinny said:
Did you see him drop back in coverage early in the game when Meco made that solo in the backfield??
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Vinny said:
The only thing impressive that Mario did was be big....Just thought it was interesting that they would drop him in coverage...
Vinny
shiny happy fan
He only plays well when he is moving laterally to the ball in pursuit right now. Most of those highlights we see of him from College is when he is running to the ball. He isn't very good when you run right at him. He can't get off a block to save his life right now.xtruroyaltyx said:
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Vinny said:
Not only that...But he tries to bull rush on every play...that doesn't help much either...I was never really impressed with Marios highlights from a skill perspective...everyone knows he has exceptional physical talents, and I thought the coaches would be able to parlay that into success on the field...I am starting to think I was caught up in the homer hype....
.....Im not giving up on him yet, but he needs to atleast show some flashes..."He doesn't have fast-twitch, like a Jason Taylor".
That was an observation the color commentator with FOX made about Mario on one play when he was boxed in, and tried to recover when the Eagles RB easily ran around him and got a nice gain. As we all watched the replay, Mario "lumbered" in pursuit after the back.
The commentator was right: Mario simply doesn't have the quickness, the
explosiveness, the fast-twitch of a J.Taylor, Kearse, Freeney, etc.
Anybody who thinks Mario may be a big-time edge rusher is having a fantasy. He may be a very good player in the NFL, but not as a classic edge rusher.
That was an observation the color commentator with FOX made about Mario on one play when he was boxed in, and tried to recover when the Eagles RB easily ran around him and got a nice gain. As we all watched the replay, Mario "lumbered" in pursuit after the back.
The commentator was right: Mario simply doesn't have the quickness, the
explosiveness, the fast-twitch of a J.Taylor, Kearse, Freeney, etc.
Anybody who thinks Mario may be a big-time edge rusher is having a fantasy. He may be a very good player in the NFL, but not as a classic edge rusher.
I dunno, but you may be right.beerlover said:this is why the Texans move him around so much- playing tackle- his future position
And if that's the case, it destroys Kubiak's premise for drafting Mario, which he
said was to be a supreme pass rusher who would pressure on Peyton Manning.
kbourda
Veteran
*lmao* Stop, Vin. You have been hurting my side this morning. I've read several of your comeback posts that people have been making that are too funny. To me, Mario looked a whole lot like Jason Babin did in his first NFL game. Hopefully this isn't a foreshadowing of his NFL career.Vinny said:
beerlover
Hall of Fame
nunusguy said:
the Texans still have a pair of good young DE's in Peek & Babin who have the speed and leverage to get around the corner, if Mario is occupying two men inside then he has done his job, also in this case I would like to see Mario cave in the pocket and still get his hands on the QB
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Guest
I don't know what to think about Mario....I didn't really like the pick from the beggining, but I started drinking the kool-aid and I was thinking Mario was going to be a big time player for us....Mario is going to be a good NFL player, but he is not going to be amazing...
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'm not going to judge a guy on 1 game but if you want my evaluation he looks just like Greg Ellis to me. Not spectacular but with potential and probably a "solid" career. That is a pre-season/1 day evaluation. However, as he learns more moves and learns that he isn't playing college talent he will improve.
Hey V, as I recall you were originally pretty high on "Super Mario" ?Vinny said:
Your sarcasm indicates you may be having second thoughts on that about now ?
I still don't have a problem with leaving Bush on the Board, but I am even more confused than ever after Mario's regular season debut why we didn't trade the pick ? Atleaset if we had multiple picks, we wouldn't suffer the
constant ridicule of passing on Bush for another "single" player.
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HoustonFrog said:
IMO, the odds for drastic improvement are against him...There are things to learn at DE....just like there are things to learn at other positios...But his pass rushing is suffering...he didn't only struggle with play recognition, and assignments...He struggled doing what he is supposed to already know how to do....He didn't only struggle with the mental perspective...he also struggled physically...That'd be like Reggie Bush struggling to make people miss, or Leinart struggling with touch on his passes, or Vernon Davis Struggling to get seperation on a LB, or A.J Hawk getting ran over a lot....This is what these guys got brought in to do...Guys picked at the top of the draft are expected to struggle with the mental differences of college and pro.....Mario struggles all the way around...Honestly I am worried about Him....I've seen flashes from pretty much every first round pick and some second rounders...I know Mario has a lot to learn, but he has basically shown nothing besides superior measurables....It is a long season and I really hope Mario can at least show signs of being worthy of the number 1 pick...:brickwall
Sportsfan
Rookie
The dude is getting stood up on almost every play that i watched him. Plus he isn't looking aggressive whatsoever. When Babin came in he looked like a Pro Bowl DE compared to Mario.
The coaches definitely need to work on his technique and he needs a full season to prove himself to me before i call him a bust.
Mr McNair- please use your deep pockets to buy us a time machine so we can go back in time and draft Reggie Bush.
The coaches definitely need to work on his technique and he needs a full season to prove himself to me before i call him a bust.
Mr McNair- please use your deep pockets to buy us a time machine so we can go back in time and draft Reggie Bush.
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Battle Red Bull said:
Julius Peppers is a better athlete than Mario...
BattleRedToro said:
Yes, the Browns aren't very good, but the Saints were playing on the road in a traditionally pretty loud, hostile stadium. Look at Reggie Bush's stats for the Saints game. He led the Saints in rushing of course, but he led the Saints in receiving yards and receptions. He didn't break anything for long yardage, but there is no doubt that Reggie Bush was a factor in every single drive they had that ended in a score. I think the Saints lose without Reggie Bush.
Jimmy Johnson said on Foxsports.com
"Now, Howie, you'll like this story. When I first got into the league, I mistakenly was trying to trade anybody to get some picks. I talked to Al Davis about trading him Michael Irvin. Al told me I didn't want to do that. He said some players score touchdowns, and some others will help you win games no matter how good they are at a particular position. But certain individuals are the difference between winning and losing games because they can put the ball in the end zone. That always stuck with me. Now, I look at Reggie Bush and maybe he is only going to touch the ball 15 times a game, but that one touchdown or two touchdowns that he either sets up or scores is going to be the difference between the Saints winning or losing a game. Now, Mario Williams may end up being a great player, maybe, I don't know. But he's not going to score any touchdowns and he's not going to be the difference between winning and losing a game."
I agree with Jimmy.
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