Mario Is A Bust!

[Second Honeymoon]

I'm hesitant to throw this one out there, but I came up with SORRY-o Williams.

After watching him and his lack of fire...I nominate

Snore-io Williams
Bore-io Williams

but my personal favorite I came up with is...*drum rolls*

Stupor Mario....as in 'dude played like he was in a drunken stupor'

Doug From The Woodlands

 

[kfranco_utexas]

What makes you think that he may not end up like these guys?

2000--Courtney Brown

Bust.

1999--Tim Couch

Bust.

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

Don't put yourself through it, Vinny. Mario played with little or no heart and was standing up at the end of most plays yards away from the action/tackle. Weaver and dare I say Babin looked good at times....oh and Dunta and Sanders both looked horrible.

as for your boy DeMeco, he looks like Houston's next Al Smith. He is already getting some love from me as the best player on our team...offense or defense.

Oh and to the lobotomy victim that claimed Carr was the best player on the field today, I must ask what you are smoking because I have been smoking for years and have never been that stoned before.

Top Performers
DeMeco and Moulds

Worst Performers
Dunta, Sanders, Carr (inconsistent as usual)

Jury Still Out
Mario, Lundy, and Kubiak

LOL, I want some of that too. DeMeco was best player on D and Moulds and AJ best on O. Carr to me looked good, but to really make that assessment, I would like to seen him throw more than 17 passes in the first half. It was 17 right? Wasn't he like 14/17 going into the half? Now in my book of wisdom, that isn't too shabby. I do not know how his ratio ended up, but if I was playing a team that shut down my running game, I would have aired the ball out till the cows come home. Once I got the milk from the cows then I may start trying to run it again. Don't know how you even put Lundy's name in the Jury still out group. The whole running game today was pathetic at best. I sure hope it was not bad play calling on this game....

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

What I saw from our defense today made me SICK! This team weill be lucky to win 1 of ita first 6 games.

Go to Dallas .

 

[ubecool454]

OK....I drank the kool aid when we drafted Mario thinking he might be a stud. The first mistake of the new coaching staff. HE HAS NOT DONE ONE THING TO IMPRESS, and our defense gave up over 400 yards. Nice F%$#ing game Texans. We look like last seasonm. TEERRIBLE!

0-6 here we come

BARKLEY YOU TALK ABOUT MARIO..DID YOU SEE THE WAY HE WAS MOVED AROUND...NOW LETS GET TO THE REAL PROBLEM...I HAVE DEFENDED DAVID CARR FOR 4 YEARS NOW..I HAVE TO FINALLY ADMIT THAT THIS GUY HAS NERVOUS FEET AND CANNOT READ DEFENSE..ANYTIME I SEE ANDRE DOWN FIELD AND WIDE OPENED AND KICKING AT THE GRASS BENEATH HIS FEET..I KNOW THE QB IS NOT GIVING THE PLAY TIME TO DEVELOP...DON;T WORRY ABOUT MARIO..HE WILL BE ALRIGHT..THE SECONDARY IS YOUNG AND VERY VUNERABLE.....JUST ADMIT THE TEXANS ARE STILL BUILDING IN THE FIFTH YEAR AND DON'T PLACE THE BLAME ON ONE PLAYER BECAUSE HE WAS TAKEN OVER A DANCING RB (BUSH)

 

[RTP2110]

He was easily blocked by one man and didn't even need to be doubled...and wasn't very often. It didn't matter if it was a Guard or a Tackle, no matter who was blocking him dominated him. He is only good running to the ball right now. If you run right at him he is defenseless. Right now he looks like a pure workout warrior. This is going to be a long year.

I couldn't agree more. I didn't see Mario shed 1 single block the entire game. Every time he was engaged he was manhandled. Also, the Eagles only double temed him a time or two IIRC.

 

[texplayer2]

I don't know why ya'll are singling him out, the DLINE as a whole did not play well, we do play a little to much outside contain but that just comes with PHILLY athletic QB who can run, and a screen throwing team with Westbrook, you have to stay home to do that, granted it didn't work but I understand the playcalling, don't like it but understand it. There are 3 first day picks starting on the Dline, and a 9 year vet., and they all looked bad. Philly has a good oline, but not so good as to where we can't get any pressure. All in all the D looked bad our oline looked bad our TE/RB blocking looked bad.

I think if you are the #1 pick in the entire draft and are making that much money you should be able to perform. It is not all his fault, but he is the one everyone will look at. I hope he gets it going soon. He doesn't have to single handedly win games, but Mcnabb had all day to throw for almost the entire game.

 

[Texan1]

I don't know why ya'll are singling him out, the DLINE as a whole did not play well, we do play a little to much outside contain but that just comes with PHILLY athletic QB who can run, and a screen throwing team with Westbrook, you have to stay home to do that, granted it didn't work but I understand the playcalling, don't like it but understand it. There are 3 first day picks starting on the Dline, and a 9 year vet., and they all looked bad. Philly has a good oline, but not so good as to where we can't get any pressure. All in all the D looked bad our oline looked bad our TE/RB blocking looked bad.

Are you serious? You don't know why Mario will be singled out on the DLine...? Come one, wake up - here is why:

1) He makes the MOST MONEY (on a salary capped team)
2) He was drafted #1 overall
3) He was the top player on the Texans draft board last season
4) He does not run or pass - he pressures the opposing offense for his money... period
5) With the amount of resources (money) the Texans have tied up in Mario - he makes or breaks the Defense... thats the truth

So, you see, if Mario does well - the Texans do well... if not, they won't.

Make sense?

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

That's weak. The reason I am pissed is because I love this team, but they are frustrating to watch. Just because I state my opinion does not mean I won't be rooting for them to get better. again, the fact is that the Defense was pathetic today.

So why single out a rookie .

 

[Vinny]

So why single out a rookie .

probably because he played like an undrafted FA.

 

[TexansLucky13]

Bash Mario all you want. I sleep better not being a short-sighted fairweather fan.

Call me a Texans if you want.

 

[Texan1]

So why single out a rookie .

Rookies drafted in the top of the 1st round are always singled out. Don't you think Bush, Hawk, Young, Ferguson, Leinart will be expected to contribute right away? Of course they will. If you make the big bucks, you'd better produce.

He is a rookie - he doens't have to dominate, but Mario needs to start showing signs of serious effort on his part. He laid down today - sorry.

 

[Hulk75]

I think mario had more tackles and the same amount of sacks as Peppers..

however. did Carolina move Peppers around like we did with Mario?

I recall mario was at DT on some 3rd down situations.
just curious

I am NOT REPEAT NOT in favor of putting him at DT on Passing downs. Stupid I usually dont get mad at much but being a former DE I would HATE going down inside to pass rush or for him take up 2 guys, WHY why put him in the middle to get double teamed. Yes to make more one on one situations for the rest of our guys but did we really draft this guy just for him to take up double teams on 3rd downs,,,,,,,NO!

They need to tell him to get down to 280lbs put and leave him in at DE all night so he can work and be effective.

He is very young and needs work..................One thing I have noticed is that he does not get on the hip of the OLineman, if you stay square and try to bull rush all the time that makes it very easy for the OLineman to get his feet and stand there, which is what the Oline wants................You have to dip rip and get on his hip THEN adjust to what Donovan does.

He will be fine but I think he needs to stay at DE through out the game to be affective for passing downs.

 

[TexansLucky13]

This is a typical response....when you call a spade a spade you are labeled a fairweather fan. I have been rooting for this team for 4 years and will continue to root for trhem,but when I see something that needs to be addressed, I address it. the fact is that today Mario Sucked and the defense SUCKED. I expect more from this coaching staff and from a #1 overall pick. again, he did not even need to get any sacks,....all I wanted to see was him make some impact on the defense or even show a FLASH of why we drafted him where we did. He did not show squat, and the defense did not show squat. Does that mean I'm going to jump ship? Hell No.....

I didn't expect him to make an impact and I don't need him to... yet. He is doing his job right now, he made no mistakes and didn't get hurt.

 

[Sco-tai]

OK....I drank the kool aid when we drafted Mario thinking he might be a stud. The first mistake of the new coaching staff. HE HAS NOT DONE ONE THING TO IMPRESS, and our defense gave up over 400 yards. Nice F%$#ing game Texans. We look like last seasonm. TEERRIBLE!

0-6 here we come

(in the spirit of the RED STRIPE BEER commercials)

BOOOO STUPID FOOTBALL GUY

 

[ghostlight]

I must say I expected him to have some shinning moments. He looked very out of place on a football field. Yes, it is going to be a long year for him. The real test will be of character after he watches the game film. I'm betting on him being of strong character and working with the coaches to become what we all expect of him. First on his list is to shed blockers(soon).

 

[ubecool454]

It's too early to call Mario a bust, but I just got back from the game and watched him play every line spot...and he sucks. I hope he gets better. I have to watch my taped game to comment further, but he was very disappointing.

DID YOU GO ON YOUR FIRST JOB ON THE FIRST DAY AND SET THE WORLD ON FIRE. LOL..AS USUAL WE HAVE THE FAIR WEATHER BANDWAGON HOPPING HOUSTON FANS. EITHER STICK WITH THE TEAM THRU THE HARD TIMES OR DON'T RIDE WITH THEM AT ALL. MARIO SUCKS..LOL...HOW MANY TEAMS HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS GETTING TO MCNABB ANYWAY?

 

[dat_boy_yec]

I wouldn't be as pissed if he had applied some pressure, at least the hint of pressure, but as has been repeatedly stated the guy didn't even make McNabb look his way. This is just frustrating, I mean he lines up on the outside shoulder of the tackle for a reason and that reason isn't to stand up and engage him head on. I don't care what his excuse is he made it this far as a DE this should be common sense I mean that's why they have all those moves for DE's to utilize, but Mario I dunno he's just been successful in pissing me off.

 

[Vinny]

DID YOU GO ON YOUR FIRST JOB ON THE FIRST DAY AND SET THE WORLD ON FIRE. LOL..AS USUAL WE HAVE THE FAIR WEATHER BANDWAGON HOPPING HOUSTON FANS. EITHER STICK WITH THE TEAM THRU THE HARD TIMES OR DON'T RIDE WITH THEM AT ALL. MARIO SUCKS..LOL...HOW MANY TEAMS HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS GETTING TO MCNABB ANYWAY?

I've hung with a bad team for 4 years...and I'm not going anywhere. The NFL doesn't have a minor league system to help along their prospects. First overall picks are taken early and paid well because they are impact players. If Mario played well people would be in here talking about how well he played. Mario didn't play well so we are talking about how he didn't play well....that's what this place is for.

 

[Divebomb]

I've hung with a bad team for 4 years...and I'm not going anywhere. The NFL doesn't have a minor league system to help along their prospects. First overall picks are taken early and paid well because they are impact players. If Mario played well people would be in here talking about how well he played. Mario didn't play well so we are talking about how he didn't play well....that's what this place is for.

We do have a minor league system, its called NFL Europe.

 

[TexansLucky13]

I've hung with a bad team for 4 years...and I'm not going anywhere. The NFL doesn't have a minor league system to help along their prospects. First overall picks are taken early and paid well because they are impact players. If Mario played well people would be in here talking about how well he played. Mario didn't play well so we are talking about how he didn't play well....that's what this place is for.

What are you, a Cardinals fan?

The problem with saying something like "Mario didn't play well" is that everyone on this board rates players differently. Sure, the majority of people would say he played well whenever he was making a huge impact (sacks, INT, FF, FR). But what about when he is just there, doing his job? Just being a DE. Did he get "owned" by their O-line? No. He got contained. They have an above average O-line. He didn't get pancaked on every play.

If you ask me how he played I will say that he played just like most DE's ends play.... doing their best. Today he was contained by better, more experienced linemen. He also is a rookie. Of course that has no bearing on this conversation, apparently.

You should rephrase it to "Mario didn't play exceptionally", which is true. DE is a tricky position, and if you didn't notice.... the way the Eagles played their offense, Mario had less chances to make a play.

 

[Vinny]

Pass me your homer glasses and I'll call us an excellent team.

 

[Porky]

What are you, a Cardinals fan?

The problem with saying something like "Mario didn't play well" is that everyone on this board rates players differently. Sure, the majority of people would say he played well whenever he was making a huge impact (sacks, INT, FF, FR). But what about when he is just there, doing his job? Just being a DE. Did he get "owned" by their O-line? No. He got contained. They have an above average O-line. He didn't get pancaked on every play.

If you ask me how he played I will say that he played just like most DE's ends play.... doing their best. Today he was contained by better, more experienced linemen. He also is a rookie. Of course that has no bearing on this conversation, apparently.

You should rephrase it to "Mario didn't play exceptionally", which is true. DE is a tricky position, and if you didn't notice.... the way the Eagles played their offense, Mario had less chances to make a play.

Hate to say it, but dude, you are totally clueless.

 

[noxiousdog]

It's too early to call Mario a bust, but I just got back from the game and watched him play every line spot...and he sucks. I hope he gets better. I have to watch my taped game to comment further, but he was very disappointing.

Compared to whom?

 

[ravinaznt]

i was expecting a loss so im not mad about it, but i did notice that mario was moved all over the place, and he playtackle when third and long, which is not his position, if they wanted a tackle they should have gotten that guy from baltimore... so by doing this could this be more detrimental to the learning process of mario than helping him... or could it be that they know he can rush the quarter back so more him around and use the excuses that they are trying to make a missmatch?? also for the running back, would yall rather have one running back than running back by committee? i think by taking one running back out and putting him in throughout the game, they will have no rythmn. This could be the same for mario, do u think moving him around will make him more tired and make him over think and lose his rythmn??

 

[GoTexans]

OK....I drank the kool aid when we drafted Mario thinking he might be a stud. The first mistake of the new coaching staff. HE HAS NOT DONE ONE THING TO IMPRESS, and our defense gave up over 400 yards. Nice F%$#ing game Texans. We look like last seasonm. TEERRIBLE!

0-6 here we come

Our secondary is the reason we gave up 400 yards. they totally bit twice on thos huge playaction passes. the 40-50 yard td and that 30 yarder.

There was good pressure on McNabb all day.

 

[Johnny Utah]

There was good pressure on McNabb all day.

What game were you watching?

 

[DenverBorn]

Hey give Mario a break, he dominated against Wake Forest last year -

 

[TexansLucky13]

Pass me your homer glasses and I'll call us an excellent team.

I'm sorry that you get off on our failures. So sad.

And yes, I am clueless. Clueless as to why I even bother with you people.

 

[MrMeToo]

I'm not gonna say Mario is a bust (although he probably will be) after one game, but we should have drafted (Can I say his name on this board?) Reggie Bush. Just look at our RB situation. I remember some people on this board were saying Lundy>Reggie . I don't know if they were serious, but damn that was funny.

 

[noxiousdog]

Last year's DL all-pros game stats for today:
Freeney - 1 assist (through 3 quarters)
Jamal Williams - yet to play
Richard Seymour - 3 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Osi Umenyiora - 1 tackle (through 3 quarters)

Mario Williams - 2 tackles, 1 assist

The Giants have put up 400+ yards of offense and the Colts aren't that far behind. Both have scored 20+ points. So, if Williams sucks, he does it just as much as all-pros.

 

[TexansLucky13]

Last year's DL all-pros game stats for today:
Freeney - 1 assist (through 3 quarters)
Jamal Williams - yet to play
Richard Seymour - 3 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Osi Umenyiora - 1 tackle (through 3 quarters)

Mario Williams - 2 tackles, 1 assist

The Giants have put up 400+ yards of offense and the Colts aren't that far behind. Both have scored 20+ points. So, if Williams sucks, he does it just as much as all-pros.

You better delete that post. The "anti-'s" will catch on fire if they see it.

Seriously though.... an awesome post. Thank you for comparing Mario to something real. Jeez... I get so tired of having to fight the good fight all the time.

 

[feebleminded]

There was good pressure on McNabb all day.

What game were you watching? Who was getting all of the pressure?

 

[Hervoyel]

Our secondary is the reason we gave up 400 yards. they totally bit twice on thos huge playaction passes. the 40-50 yard td and that 30 yarder.

There was good pressure on McNabb all day.

On a clear majority of the passing plays Donovan McNabb had enough time to open a can of Campbells Chunky Soup, heat it up, and eat it with a spoon before finding his open man. Some of those plays were just ridiculous they went on so long.

On a few plays we got close but it didn't happen nearly enough.

Our secondary is not good but they're not the worst group in the league. They look as bad as they do because the receivers have all day to get open and the QB has all day to wait for them to do so.

 

[noxiousdog]

Seriously though.... an awesome post. Thank you for comparing Mario to something real. Jeez... I get so tired of having to fight the good fight all the time.

The hard part is that it's impossible to know his impact. We'll only know at the end of the year when our defense no longer ranks in at 31st. Or maybe it will. Maybe it's Ryans, maybe it's TJ. Without the gameplan and coaching film who knows?

I do know that defensive line don't dominate from day 1 though. Freeney didn't record his first tackle until his 2nd game. Didn't get his 1st sack for another week. Yet, he wound up with 40 tackles and 13 sacks on the year.

Peppers had 1 assist his first week, then 5 tackles and 3 sacks in week 2.

Unfortunately, Kearses game logs don't go back that far.

If we're in week 4 or 5 and haven't seen anything from Williams, it's time to complain, but he's already outperformed some significant game ones.

 

[TFL]

I think it will take 2-4 years to call a draft oick a bust in less he is no longer in the NFL in 2-4 years, but after 1 game i mean come on If a rookie came in here and dominated in one game would that make him a HOF i think not so why does it have to be if he had one bad game is he a bust. After 2-4 years you should be able to call him a bust or not.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Last year's DL all-pros game stats for today:
Freeney - 1 assist (through 3 quarters)
Jamal Williams - yet to play
Richard Seymour - 3 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Osi Umenyiora - 1 tackle (through 3 quarters)

Mario Williams - 2 tackles, 1 assist

The Giants have put up 400+ yards of offense and the Colts aren't that far behind. Both have scored 20+ points. So, if Williams sucks, he does it just as much as all-pros.

There's more to defensive line play then just stats. Richard Seymor had only 35 tackles and 4 sacks last year, and he is one of the best DT in the game.

 

[Widgeteye]

Well, after watching the game with the Eagles today I realize
what a waste of money Mario Williams was.

He can't break single team blocks, he's slow, I would call it
lumbering rather than running. He gets 2 tackles with an
assist.

Why in the hell didn't Houston spend that $54 million on an
offensive line rather than flush it down the toilet buying Williams?

For 2 years in a row they have wasted draft picks. I wonder
which Heisman trophy winner they will pass up next year.

What a waste.

 

[BattleRedRaider]

Well, after watching the game with the Eagles today I realize
what a waste of money Mario Williams was.

He can't break single team blocks, he's slow, I would call it
lumbering rather than running. He gets 2 tackles with an
assist.

Why in the hell didn't Houston spend that $54 million on an
offensive line rather than flush it down the toilet buying Williams?

For 2 years in a row they have wasted draft picks. I wonder
which Heisman trophy winner they will pass up next year.

What a waste.

Ive seen your face before my friend
But I dont know if you know who I am
Well, I was there and I saw what you did
I saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off the grin, I know where youve been
Its all been a pack of lies

 

[barzilla]

I'm going to admit that I don't know enough about the situation to assign blame anywhere. I don't know what schemes were planned/used. I don't know what the coaches asked Williams to do today. I don't know if Williams gave 100 percent or not. I know the defense did not play well as a whole. I also know I'm not judging any individual players on the basis of one game. Maybe this makes me an idiot. I don't care.

 

[RiotCommander]

Are the same people calling Mario a bust going to be the first looking to buy a ticket on his bandwagon if he turns out to be great? I doubt he needs those sort of fans. I admit he had a bad game, but he *is* a rookie. However highly drafted he is going to take time adjust to the league.

Much like the rest of our team he is going to be facing some of the best teams in the league these first few games. I just hope he continues to improve.

Lets say the worst is true. He is a bust, do you think we can trade him in for Bush? or VY? Please move on. I get tired of seeing this same thread each week.

 

[noxiousdog]

There's more to defensive line play then just stats. Richard Seymor had only 35 tackles and 4 sacks last year, and he is one of the best DT in the game.

Of course. And it's because he had games like he had today.

But that has little to nothing to any conclusions that can be drawn from any other defensive lineman's first start.

 

[Hulk75]

Well, after watching the game with the Eagles today I realize
what a waste of money Mario Williams was.

He can't break single team blocks, he's slow, I would call it
lumbering rather than running. He gets 2 tackles with an
assist.

Why in the hell didn't Houston spend that $54 million on an
offensive line rather than flush it down the toilet buying Williams?

For 2 years in a row they have wasted draft picks. I wonder
which Heisman trophy winner they will pass up next year.

What a waste.

You know what people should not count out guys too fast...................
David Carr looked pretty dang good in his first real game in a real offense, it takes time and people are soooooooooooooooooo impatient now days it makes me sick.Everyone looks for the quick fix now days and that does NOT last in the long run. Count this guy out now and you will regret it later. This guy is 21 years old, he needs time, I think the coaches need to put him at the end spot and leave him there..............GET HIM DOWN to 280lbs and let him go, see the 1st couple of plays with Mario at END he killed John Runyan and would have gotten himself a sack if we would have played a little tighter.

 

[Vinny]

Last year's DL all-pros game stats for today:
Freeney - 1 assist (through 3 quarters)
Jamal Williams - yet to play
Richard Seymour - 3 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Osi Umenyiora - 1 tackle (through 3 quarters)

Mario Williams - 2 tackles, 1 assist

The Giants have put up 400+ yards of offense and the Colts aren't that far behind. Both have scored 20+ points. So, if Williams sucks, he does it just as much as all-pros.

You can't post a stat line in football and say that a player had a good day or bad day. If you don't watch the game you just can't tell. Break down some plays and tell us what you see.

 

[infantrycak]

You know what people should not count out guys too fast...................
David Carr looked pretty dang good in his first real game in a real offense, it takes time and people are soooooooooooooooooo impatient now days it makes me sick.Everyone looks for the quick fix now days and that does NOT last in the long run. Count this guy out now and you will regret it later. This guy is 21 years old, he needs time, I think the coaches need to put him at the end spot and leave him there..............GET HIM DOWN to 280lbs and let him go, see the 1st couple of plays with Mario at END he killed John Runyan and would have gotten himself a sack if we would have played a little tighter.

I agree with putting him at DE and leaving him there. Don't know about getting him to drop close to 20 lbs as the boy is ripped now. He needs to be left at DE and coached on technique. Payne is better up the gut than he is and they need to stop jacking with the interior line. One thing I don't agree with this staff on is rotating the DL so much. If TJ and Payne are the best DT's leave them in and stop sticking Malone, etc. in there starting in the 1st qtr.

 

[Hulk75]

I agree with putting him at DE and leaving him there. Don't know about getting him to drop close to 20 lbs as the boy is ripped now. He needs to be left at DE and coached on technique. Payne is better up the gut than he is and they need to stop jacking with the interior line. One thing I don't agree with this staff on is rotating the DL so much. If TJ and Payne are the best DT's leave them in and stop sticking Malone, etc. in there starting in the 1st qtr.

The only reason I say that is that I was 300lbs in college playing DT, I played some semi pro at 280lbs and the difference in my speed quickness and conditioning was by far better.

I just think if they ever just leave him at END they might think about dropping some of his lbs. off.

 

[Widgeteye]

Are the same people calling Mario a bust going to be the first looking to buy a ticket on his bandwagon if he turns out to be great? I doubt he needs those sort of fans. I admit he had a bad game, but he *is* a rookie. However highly drafted he is going to take time adjust to the league.

Much like the rest of our team he is going to be facing some of the best teams in the league these first few games. I just hope he continues to improve.

Lets say the worst is true. He is a bust, do you think we can trade him in for Bush? or VY? Please move on. I get tired of seeing this same thread each week.

Ok, tell us what went right today?!? Anything??

Consider this; if they had a running game, which they might have had with Bush, there's a possibility that the Eagles wouldn't have spent most of the day rushing the passer and ringin' his bell..

You're going to see these threads every week so you may as well get used to it. If you are all that tired of it maybe you should blame the management. they are the ones who are making these MONSTER mistakes.

Why in the world would you spend money on defense when your main problem is you have absolutley NO offense. Offense is the half of the team that actually puts points on the board. You can have the number one defense in the league but if you don't put points on the board your defense is worthless.

Get used to the whining because as long as williams is unable to break single team blocks, is slow, isn't a threat to the quarterback, and plays as poorly as he did in the Eagles game, you're going to have people questioning wheather there is a brain cell in the Houston front office.

 

[infantrycak]

The only reason I say that is that I was 300lbs in college playing DT, I played some semi pro at 280lbs and the difference in my speed quickness and conditioning was by far better.

I just think if they ever just leave him at END they might think about dropping some of his lbs. off.

I can see the theory (don't know what you looked like) but it just seems to have much more application to someone like TJ than to someone like MW. Mario is already lean--his weight looks natural on him as opposed to TJ who is obviously carrying a little extra to hold up in the middle.

 

[BattleRedRaider]

If you are all that tired of it maybe you should blame the management. they are the ones who are making these MONSTER mistakes.

Why? Looks like you're already blaming management.

 

[Hulk75]

I can see the theory (don't know what you looked like) but it just seems to have much more application to someone like TJ than to someone like MW. Mario is already lean--his weight looks natural on him as opposed to TJ who is obviously carrying a little extra to hold up in the middle.

.............Funny..........I was not fat.Far from it.