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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Fresh off his appearance at Saturday's Final Four, Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel is flying to Oakland to spend tonight and Monday with Raiders
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His appearance? Was he requested? Did JFF get paid to "appear"? When he left, was it a disappearance? :thinking:

NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL
The @Texans @JJWatt at the Final Four tonight rooting his Wisconsin Badgers on. pic.twitter.com/SoPAjqtlJr
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DPOY JJ Watt was just "at" the Final Four. :foottap:


Schefty going all gossip columnist with Johnny Football.
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Stemp said:
Really? Parsing words in a tweet?
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Yep. I probably read ~400+ tweets a day -- when something stands out to me it stands out. Like this one...

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Just spoke with Johnny Manziel. He's on his way to Oakland to visit with Raiders officials over next 2 days. #NFLDraft
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I wonder who called who? Does Bortles have Gil Brandt's digits? Did "the Godfather of the Draft" call Teddy today or Sammy or Greg? I'm curious that way.

After 2010 when Mel Kiper's outsized cheerleading for Jimmy Clausen led to the revelation that he was speaking regularly with Jimmy and then Kiper's relationship with Clausen's agent, my spidey sense get all tingley when I sense a "relationship" between media personality and prospect. Calls into question their objectivity, imo. Maybe it's just me.
 
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Yep. I probably read ~400+ tweets a day -- when something stands out to me it stands out. Like this one...

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt


I wonder who called who? Does Bortles have Gil Brandt's digits? Did "the Godfather of the Draft" call Teddy today or Sammy or Greg? I'm curious that way.

After 2010 when Mel Kiper's outsized cheerleading for Jimmy Clausen led to the revelation that he was speaking regularly with Jimmy and then Kiper's relationship with Clausen's agent, my spidey sense get all tingley when I sense a "relationship" between media personality and prospect. Calls into question their objectivity, imo. Maybe it's just me.
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With the need for exclusivity and first-to-print, objectivity seems to be becoming a rarer and rarer bird.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With the need for exclusivity and first-to-print, objectivity seems to be becoming a rarer and rarer bird.
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To be clear I would be calling influential media types, flying them out to Cali for a day or three on me, and doing whatever else I could to maximize my chances and/or my brand if I had the resources. Manziel is smart and a winner -- nothing wrong that, imo.
 
Cleveland Browns: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
BOOM. Johnny Manziel has been in the top 5-8 of almost every single mock draft published on the Internet, but it wouldn't surprise me if he fell on Draft Day. It's happened to other quarterbacks before, and it could certainly happen to Manziel, as there are concerns about many things, including his party lifestyle, the manner in which he plays, his mechanics and his durability (size).

If we had heard this from one team, I might just consider it smoke, but multiple teams selecting early have issues with Manziel. Vikings' head coach Mike Zimmer also expressed his concerns with Manziel, so that's another team in the top 10 that won't pick him.

This is why I could see Manziel take a tumble into the 20s (it's no coincidence that the Patriots brought him in for a visit). If that occurs, perhaps the Browns will scoop him up at No. 26, or maybe one of the teams in the early portion of Round 2 will trade up for him.
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http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...70?refmod=backyard&refdst=3092&refsrc=bloguin
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Manziel is dropping like a rock on some of these mocks. BTW, that's Clevelands 1.26, not their 1.4.
 
IDEXAN said:
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...70?refmod=backyard&refdst=3092&refsrc=bloguin
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Manziel is dropping like a rock on some of these mocks. BTW, that's Clevelands 1.26, not their 1.4.
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No one has any clue where anyone in this draft will go. There are so many questions marks in it with no sure-fire top picks. Plus, Manziel may be dropping in some mocks and rising to #1 in others, including the NFL.com mock draft. So what? In the end, they make zero difference. This guy had Geno Smith going at #7 (went 39th overall), B Mingo going 15th (went 6th) in his mock draft in early april just to name a few. And that's with the top 5-10 pretty well known.
 
IDEXAN said:
Manziel is dropping like a rock on some of these mocks. BTW, that's Clevelands 1.26, not their 1.4.
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All of this dropping and rising must be giving these QBs motion-sickness.
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I just can't figure out how they're getting worse over the last 2 months?
 
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All of this dropping and rising must be giving these QBs motion-sickness.
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I just can't figure out how they're getting worse over the last 2 months?
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They aren't.

But you've got to remember that what you're seeing isn't the rankings the teams have on these guys. What you're seeing is the Media's rankings.

Some of the media is ranking these guys based on looking at film and some of them are only now really getting the chance to see everyone.

But most of the media is trying to figure out how their prospective team (or the teams in general) have these guys ranked.

The teams, otoh, are whispering lies to the media to get other teams to misjudge how they actually have guys ranked.

So expecting "good" information from most of these sources is problematic because lying and deception is built into the system.
 
Corrosion said:
Blaming Gary for "setting the franchise back at the QB position" is ludicrous. Injury to Schaub set them back. They went from having a pro bowl quarterback to a broken quarterback. You simply cannot stand behind that statement.
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seriously dude, it's not like the position is a strength or set-up for the next 10 years is it? what am I missing? blame it all on Schaub's injury's. that goes for any QB but you still need a back-up plan, you need to address the QB position especially after you told Mr. McNair you could fix Carr & gave him another big fat multi-million dollar extension. Gary didn't fee the "need" to draft a QB any higher than #152 in 2011 draft. let Sage implode then leave, what next bring in Dan Orlovsky? a crippled Matt Leinart, washed up Rex Grossman.... I can't extend this conversation, you & me are simply at odds & will never see eye to eye, that Kubiak is the one who is responsible for this mess we are now having to deal with :foottap:
 
I don't like kubiak as a head coach at all, and I don't think Schaub was ever as good as his numbers would indicate.

But what is this setting the franchise up at qb for many years? Who does that?

Outside of some lucky teams, who has multiple good or great qb's one right after the other?
 
beerlover said:
seriously dude, it's not like the position is a strength or set-up for the next 10 years is it? what am I missing? blame it all on Schaub's injury's. that goes for any QB but you still need a back-up plan, you need to address the QB position especially after you told Mr. McNair you could fix Carr & gave him another big fat multi-million dollar extension. Gary didn't fee the "need" to draft a QB any higher than #152 in 2011 draft. let Sage implode then leave, what next bring in Dan Orlovsky? a crippled Matt Leinart, washed up Rex Grossman.... I can't extend this conversation, you & me are simply at odds & will never see eye to eye, that Kubiak is the one who is responsible for this mess we are now having to deal with :foottap:
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So we have a pro bowl quarterback in Schaub , who gets hurt , we have nothing behind him and that's on Gary Kubiak ?! Who's job is it to build the roster ?! Is the GM there just to look pretty ?!


How many teams have a backup who steps in and is as good or better than the previous starter ?!
I guess you expect the next Tom Brady to be waiting in the wings behind Bledsoe ?!
There have been three teams in the history of the NFL (or at least for as long as I've been watching) that had a pro bowl type quarterback behind their pro bowl starter - The 49ers with Montana & Young , The Patriots with Bledsoe & Brady and finally The Packers with Favre and Rodgers.

Every other team I can think of would be in the same situation this Texans team is in.

As for Kubiak telling McNair he could fix HWWNBM , that's an assumption not a fact. What we do know is that he gave HHWNBM a year to prove he was the guy or not , when it was apparent he wasn't , he cut bait and acquired a guy named Schaub who put up numbers over multiple years that only five players in the history of the league had done previous.
The position was not in question for 6+ years, other than when Schaub was injured.

The bottom line is that a healthy Schaub was a pro bowl quarterback and the position was not in question with him on the field. The only reason he's not the Texans starting QB in 2014 is injury.


Blaming Kubiak is just silly , especially when its the GM's job to fill out the roster.
 
You're forgetting the greatest season in NFL history, the legendary 1972 Miami Dolphins going 17-0 and winning SBVII. Starting QB Bob Greise broke his leg in game 5 and was replaced my Earl Morrall. Greise returned to start SBVII.
 
Corrosion said:
So we have a pro bowl quarterback in Schaub , who gets hurt , we have nothing behind him and that's on Gary Kubiak ?! Who's job is it to build the roster ?! Is the GM there just to look pretty ?!


How many teams have a backup who steps in and is as good or better than the previous starter ?!
I guess you expect the next Tom Brady to be waiting in the wings behind Bledsoe ?!
There have been three teams in the history of the NFL (or at least for as long as I've been watching) that had a pro bowl type quarterback behind their pro bowl starter - The 49ers with Montana & Young , The Patriots with Bledsoe & Brady and finally The Packers with Favre and Rodgers.

Every other team I can think of would be in the same situation this Texans team is in.

As for Kubiak telling McNair he could fix HWWNBM , that's an assumption not a fact. What we do know is that he gave HHWNBM a year to prove he was the guy or not , when it was apparent he wasn't , he cut bait and acquired a guy named Schaub who put up numbers over multiple years that only five players in the history of the league had done previous.
The position was not in question for 6+ years, other than when Schaub was injured.

The bottom line is that a healthy Schaub was a pro bowl quarterback and the position was not in question with him on the field. The only reason he's not the Texans starting QB in 2014 is injury.


Blaming Kubiak is just silly , especially when its the GM's job to fill out the roster.
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Agreed

Staubach/Morton
 
Number19 said:
You're forgetting the greatest season in NFL history, the legendary 1972 Miami Dolphins going 17-0 and winning SBVII. Starting QB Bob Greise broke his leg in game 5 and was replaced my Earl Morrall. Greise returned to start SBVII.
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I was .... 4 that year. Cut me some slack .... :corrosion:

steelbtexan said:
Agreed

Staubach/Morton
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I don't even remember Morton .... but hard to forget Staubach. Was a good time to be a Cowboys fan.
 
steelbtexan said:
Staubach/Morton
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Not so much. Staubach was drafted before Morton was a Cowboy and was off in the Navy unavailable to the team until 6 seasons later.

I guess you could make the argument for Meredith & Morton while Morton sat on the bench for 4 years after being drafted in the 1st but the problem with that is Morton never went to the pro bowl in his career.
 
infantrycak said:
Not so much. Staubach was drafted before Morton was a Cowboy and was off in the Navy unavailable to the team until 6 seasons later.

I guess you could make the argument for Meredith & Morton while Morton sat on the bench for 4 years after being drafted in the 1st but the problem with that is Morton never went to the pro bowl in his career.
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Did Morton make the pro bowl the yr he lead the Broncos to the SB, ironically against Dallas?
 
Even with the examples you guy's have given , history has taught us that very few teams have an answer to a broken quarterback sitting on their bench. The position is probably the most difficult to fill in all of professional sports.

If you have a quarterback , generally you aren't drafting one with premium picks (there are exceptions).

Blaming Kubiak for not having an answer behind Schaub , who was a very good quarterback when healthy is just .... silly. There are reasons to bash on Kubiak that have merit , like clock management , no real hurry up offense / muddle huddle , use of challenges ..... this just isn't one of them.
 
Corrosion said:
Even with the examples you guy's have given , history has taught us that very few teams have an answer to a broken quarterback sitting on their bench. The position is probably the most difficult to fill in all of professional sports.

If you have a quarterback , generally you aren't drafting one with premium picks (there are exceptions).

Blaming Kubiak for not having an answer behind Schaub , who was a very good quarterback when healthy is just .... silly. There are reasons to bash on Kubiak that have merit , like clock management , no real hurry up offense / muddle huddle , use of challenges ..... this just isn't one of them.
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Although I agree with that, the problem is that during the course of the 2012 season someone should have realized that there was something wrong with Schaub. Defenses finally caught on near the end of the season and someone in the organization should have self-scouted and realized it, too.

The problem with the problem is that there weren't any great QBs to be had in that particular draft at ANY point in it. Do you pass on Hopkins for Geno Smith? Do you pass on Swearinger for Matt Barkley? Do you pass on Brennan Williams or Sam Montgomery for Ryan Nassib... hmmm... well... that probably would have been our best option and it's not a great option.

You have to imagine that TJ Yates or Case Keenum is better than a rookie like Ryan Nassib.

It just didn't work out that way.

So it ended up being the sort of mistake where you really don't have any good options to correct it. And frankly, we still need to correct it and I still don't think there are any good options.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Although I agree with that, the problem is that during the course of the 2012 season someone should have realized that there was something wrong with Schaub. Defenses finally caught on near the end of the season and someone in the organization should have self-scouted and realized it, too.

The problem with the problem is that there weren't any great QBs to be had in that particular draft at ANY point in it. Do you pass on Hopkins for Geno Smith? Do you pass on Swearinger for Matt Barkley? Do you pass on Brennan Williams or Sam Montgomery for Ryan Nassib... hmmm... well... that probably would have been our best option and it's not a great option.

You have to imagine that TJ Yates or Case Keenum is better than a rookie like Ryan Nassib.

It just didn't work out that way.

So it ended up being the sort of mistake where you really don't have any good options to correct it. And frankly, we still need to correct it and I still don't think there are any good options.
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Yeah , I aint arguing that .... Last years draft was piss poor for QB talent , top to bottom. This one , I'm hot and cold on a couple QB's , Manziel being one of them. Huge potential , huge risk. Hell , I go hot and cold on every player I've considered with the top pick so far.
 
drs23 said:
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Johnny Manziel will meet with Texans in Houston Apr 21 and 22.

Are they going to dinner too? :kitten:
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Johnny's probably got front row seats for the Rockets.

McNair plays his cards right, Manziel might take him to the locker room afterwards to meet Dwight & Harden.
 
John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff
The average Wonderlic score for a starting QB in '12 was 29, anything above 30 is outstanding. Johnny scored above both numbers

Talked to multiple assistant coaches who have had Johnny on private team visits. All raved about his intelligence.

I've been told Johnny Football had the highest Wonderlic test of all the top QB's in this years draft
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John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff

The average Wonderlic score for a starting QB in '12 was 29, anything above 30 is outstanding. Johnny scored above both numbers

Talked to multiple assistant coaches who have had Johnny on private team visits. All raved about his intelligence.

I've been told Johnny Football had the highest Wonderlic test of all the top QB's in this years draft
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Yeesh, what a dumbass :kitten: next Vince Young!
 
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John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff
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At every stop, Johnny Manziel continues to defy the odds. Every time people try to say he can't do something, he comes back and does it. The pros will be no different for Johnny Football.

Don't be idiots, Texans. Draft Johnny Manziel.
 
Bruce Feldman ‏@BruceFeldmanCFB 2m

Former NFL scout RT @JohnMiddlekauff I've been told Johnny Football had the highest wonderlic test of all the top QB's in this years draft
 
The average Wonderlic score for a starting QB in '12 was 29, anything above 30 is outstanding. Johnny scored above both numbers
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We're really living in an age of high standards aren't we? Anything 1 point above average is "outstanding" now.
 
Goatcheese said:
The average Wonderlic score for a starting QB in '12 was 29, anything above 30 is outstanding. Johnny scored above both numbers
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We're really living in an age of high standards aren't we? Anything 1 point above average is "outstanding" now.
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:thinking:

Wouldn't anything above 30 be at least two above average?
 
John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff 2m

As I said yesterday, Johnny's 32 was the high for the top guys @AlbertBreer: -- Blake Bortles scored a 28 and Teddy Bridgewater scored a 20
 
Texian said:
John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff 2m

As I said yesterday, Johnny's 32 was the high for the top guys @AlbertBreer: -- Blake Bortles scored a 28 and Teddy Bridgewater scored a 20
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Found This site and I guess this is sort of the "Texans Zone" :kitten:

Matt Ryan 2008 Boston College 32
Gibran Hamdan 2003 Indiana 32
Joey Harrington 2002 Oregon 32
Patrick Ramsey 2002 Tulane 32
Jesse Palmer 2001 Florida 32
Sage Rosenfels 2001 Iowa State 32
Walter Church 2001 Eastern Michigan 32
Giovanni Carmazza 2000 Hofstra 32
Sam Keenan 2000 Williams College 32
Kevin Daft 1999 California Davis 32
Brian Brohm 2008 Louisville 32
Andrew Walton 2005 Arizona State 31
Matt Schaub 2004 Virginia 31
JP Losman 2004 Tulane 31
Dave Ragone 2003 Louisville 31
Kliff Kingsbury 2003 Texas Tech 31
Kurt Kittner 2002 Illinois 31
Greg Noll 2002 Northwestern State 31
Justin Coleman 2001 Nebraska Kenny 31
Todd Bandhauer 1999 Iowa State 31
Rick Mirer 1993 Notre Dame 31
Trent Edwards 2007 Stanford 31
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Fitzpatrick supposedly recorded a 50 on the test in nine minutes, signifying a perfect score and you see where that has gotten him. smh
 
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