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Stemp said:
You mean like the last touchdown he threw against Alabama game last year and the last one he threw against Duke in the bowl game?

In fact, out of his 30 completions in the bowl game NOT ONE was a "jump ball" throw.

Haters just gonna blindly hate. :voodoo:
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* sighs * if i were the only one who thought alot of these things about him, you might be right. But i'm not & you know it. the fact that you can't even admit that it...well, screw the texans koolaid, you've o'ded on the JFF fruit punch. :koolaid:

It's not blind hate & i've explained why i don't like him as a prospect numerous times in this thread & others have joined in on that. You just can't get over the fact that I don't like him as a prospect. The above is what you guys do. pull stats from 1 game & think it's all good. The whole crux of you guys' argument is stats (which we know lie) and the always hilarious "bu bu bu he's exciting!!!!"..:rolleyes:


You feel 1 way & i as well as others obviously feel another. Get over it.
 
Mr teX said:
* sighs * if i were the only one who thought alot of these things about him, you might be right. But i'm not & you know it. the fact that you can't even admit that it...well, screw the texans koolaid, you've o'ded on the JFF fruit punch. :koolaid:

It's not blind hate & i've explained why i don't like him as a prospect numerous times in this thread & others have joined in on that. You just can't get over the fact that I don't like him as a prospect. The above is what you guys do. pull stats from 1 game & think it's all good. The whole crux of you guys' argument is stats (which we know lie) and the always hilarious "bu bu bu he's exciting!!!!"..:rolleyes:


You feel 1 way & i as well as others obviously feel another. Get over it.
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If I had the time, desire and video equipment, I could put together a video of highlight of him making good throws and it would be much, MUCH longer than one you put that shows him making bad ones.

The issue you can't seem to get that there is a difference between saying "I don't like his style of play because he doesn't do X, Y, Z well" and saying "all he does is throw jump balls to his receivers". You didn't have to respond, but you chose to say "That's all he does" because that is what you truly believe. You painted yourself as a hater with that ignorant comment (among others) and then when people point it out, you claim EVERYONE ELSE has the problem and you are the only one who is being reasonable.

Whatever. You can make as many excuses as you like, and try to backtrack from your statements, but the fact remains that you can't admit Manziel is a pretty good QB that has the tools to be a first round pick and to make it in the NFL.

And for the record, I don't want Houston to draft Manziel with the first pick. Maybe if they trade down.
 
Stemp said:
If I had the time, desire and video equipment, I could put together a video of highlight of him making good throws and it would be much, MUCH longer than one you put that shows him making bad ones.

The issue you can't seem to get that there is a difference between saying "I don't like his style of play because he doesn't do X, Y, Z well" and saying "all he does is throw jump balls to his receivers". You didn't have to respond, but you chose to say "That's all he does" because that is what you truly believe. You painted yourself as a hater with that ignorant comment (among others) and then when people point it out, you claim EVERYONE ELSE has the problem and you are the only one who is being reasonable.

Whatever. You can make as many excuses as you like, and try to backtrack from your statements, but the fact remains that you can't admit Manziel is a pretty good QB that has the tools to be a first round pick and to make it in the NFL.

And for the record, I don't want Houston to draft Manziel with the first pick. Maybe if they trade down.
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You're a clown....

I should hope you could put together a longer video of him making good throws vs. jump balls for someone who threw the ball 400 times this past year...congratulations...:clap: You took what i said LITERALLY. I'm not surprised. Such is the hypersensitivity of JFF fanboys.

What you seem unable to grasp is that I've said it both ways within this very thread. Yet you seem to be the only one who can't take it for some reason......

& lol at "the tools" argument. There are at least 10 guys who enter the draft EVERY YEAR who have "the tools" to make it in the NFL...2-3 usually do go in the 1st and the others are drafted in subsequent rounds. Why is it then that there's such a high failure rate amongst qbs? In other words, tools mean about as much as his stats in the SEC...very little when it comes to playing the position how it needs to be played on the next level.


Yes, i said what i said b/c i firmly believe it to a certain degree...and? Deal with it...not everyone is head over heels in love with your boy and all his stats.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, ya'll can get mad, but deep down, ya'll know Mike Evans erases alot of WTF throws for that dude...You'd never condone many of those throws if you were his coach.
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Call me crazy, but I believe it is more Manziel making Evans look like a superstar than the other way around. I have watched every single friggin game Evans has played in an Aggie uniform and while being supremely gifted athletically, the guy is a bit of a headcase and doesn't always show up when the team needs him. Just take a look at what Manziel did for the career of former Aggie Women's Basketball practice player Travis Labhart.

Honestly, I really don't think you have any clue what you are talking about.
 
Stemp said:
If I had the time, desire and video equipment, I could put together a video of highlight of him making good throws and it would be much, MUCH longer than one you put that shows him making bad ones.
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For the record, that level of investment wouldn't be necessary; you could just as easily watch cutups of his games and just make a note of the time on the video when he makes a certain pass. I did the same thing in a Clowney thread for his game against UNC to point out how many times he was double-teamed/chipped.
 
Mr teX said:
You're a clown....

I should hope you could put together a longer video of him making good throws vs. jump balls for someone who threw the ball 400 times this past year...congratulations...:clap: You took what i said LITERALLY. I'm not surprised. Such is the hypersensitivity of JFF fanboys.

What you seem unable to grasp is that I've said it both ways within this very thread. Yet you seem to be the only one who can't take it for some reason......

& lol at "the tools" argument. There are at least 10 guys who enter the draft EVERY YEAR who have "the tools" to make it in the NFL...2-3 usually do go in the 1st and the others are drafted in subsequent rounds. Why is it then that there's such a high failure rate amongst qbs? In other words, tools mean about as much as his stats in the SEC...very little when it comes to playing the position how it needs to be played on the next level.


Yes, i said what i said b/c i firmly believe it to a certain degree...and? Deal with it...not everyone is head over heels in love with your boy and all his stats.
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As usual your post consist of nothing but Mindless drivel. Stemp just made you his message board ***** and the best comeback you could produce is "your a clown". I think it's obvious who the clown here is.

Me teX = :clown:
 
mussop said:
As usual your post consist of nothing but Mindless drivel. Stemp just made you his message board ***** and the best comeback you could produce is "your a clown". I think it's obvious who the clown here is.

Me teX = :clown:
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How many jump balls did he threw to Swope last year? LOL at the clowns who claim that all Manziel does is throwing jump balls to Evans
 
Mr teX said:
You're a clown....
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You took what i said LITERALLY. I'm not surprised.
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Yeah, silly me. Taking what you say at face value, when you actually really mean something totally different THIS TIME, even though you've made arguments supporting the statement time and again.

You want to talk about clowns, take a good hard look in the mirror.

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mussop said:
Yep! 99% of his criticism is just hate. People either don't like Manziel the person or they despise the attention that he's drawn.
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Be honest. There's a large faction that hates anything A&M. I understand. I hate anything Longhorn outside of Earl.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, ya'll can get mad, but deep down, ya'll know Mike Evans erases alot of WTF throws for that dude...You'd never condone many of those throws if you were his coach.
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Would you suggest he not throw to a receiver who can make those plays because other player won't be able to make them? Come to think of it, that's what we did with Hopkins. After proving his ability, we stopped using his skills.
 
Chris Evans is a big part of Manziel's success this year, but that's ignoring JFF's ability to make average guys look really good, like the 3 TD passes to Labheart, or his production with Ryan Swopes. Laying his success at the feet of Evans is missing the point.
 
I went back and watched highlights of his games against LSU where they showed all of his plays. The first game, he looked to run first a lot. Didn't scan the field as much, but still made some great plays against that defense. The second game, he would drop back and avoid pressure, but kept his eyes downfield. It was clearly much better than his first game against them. He has some great instincts and an arm. I don't know what this bs is about him not having an arm.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I went back and watched highlights of his games against LSU where they showed all of his plays. The first game, he looked to run first a lot. Didn't scan the field as much, but still made some great plays against that defense. The second game, he would drop back and avoid pressure, but kept his eyes downfield. It was clearly much better than his first game against them. He has some great instincts and an arm. I don't know what this bs is about him not having an arm.
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He got absolutely no help from his receivers during that game (or at least from my POV in the student section... :kingkong:). There was also a Texans scout there, so that was interesting.

EDIT: You know, I never did post those pictures. Here they are:

1) http://i.imgur.com/brzaker.jpg

2) http://i.imgur.com/UNxzpBk.jpg

3) http://i.imgur.com/6ZqHUF4.jpg

4) http://i.imgur.com/kIrWA14.jpg

5) http://i.imgur.com/XVMCXkN.jpg

Anyone recognize him?
 
I love the way the kid said "I can't wait to get out of College Station" then acted as if he had to debate whether or not he was going to the pros. I wish him luck in the NFL because he clearly has no future as an actor. Welcome to the NFL draft Tim Tebow 2.0. Good luck. Truthfully...I could care less.
 
Dread-Head said:
I love the way the kid said "I can't wait to get out of College Station" then acted as if he had to debate whether or not he was going to the pros. I wish him luck in the NFL because he clearly has no future as an actor. Welcome to the NFL draft Tim Tebow 2.0. Good luck. Truthfully...I could care less.
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How is manziel anything like Tebow?
 
Dread-Head said:
Wasn't trying to diss the guy. I'm just saying being hyped in college just means linebackers and defensive ends will be gunning for you as soon as you make it to the NFL. Red Grange was a bad muff-hugga too until he made it to the Bears.
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Pretty much every top first round guy is hyped, including Luck, RG3, etc.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
How is manziel anything like Tebow?
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The hype & their polarizing effect mainly (you either love em or hate em)....but the "he just wins" thing comes to mind as well....Like Tebow, the hype in particular will probably get Manziel drafted higher than he probably should go as well.

They're also similar in that the best part of their games (running, escapability) will likely not translate as well in the NFL.
 
Dread-Head said:
Wasn't trying to diss the guy. I'm just saying being hyped in college just means linebackers and defensive ends will be gunning for you as soon as you make it to the NFL. Red Grange was a bad muff-hugga too until he made it to the Bears.
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Just funning ya partner, I'm a die hard Ag and don't want to see the Texans take him with the 1.1... maybe a trade down and get him later, and he'll still need to sit the bench to learn the NFL system. His skills don't translate to the NFL, but I feel the same about all the QB prospects available this year.
 
FirstTexansFan said:
Just funning ya partner, I'm a die hard Ag and don't want to see the Texans take him with the 1.1... maybe a trade down and get him later, and he'll still need to sit the bench to learn the NFL system. His skills don't translate to the NFL, but I feel the same about all the QB prospects available this year.
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I'm a Longhorn fan, and that was the exact way I felt about VY when he was coming out.
 
Blake said:
Not to the level that Tebow-mania or Johnny "Football" are hyped. I think that is how he was comparing the two.
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Im not so sure Johnny Manziel is really that hyped nation wide , I believe its a regional thing with him.

Tebow on the other hand .... :rake:
 
Corrosion said:
Im not so sure Johnny Manziel is really that hyped nation wide , I believe its a regional thing with him.

Tebow on the other hand .... :rake:
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Actually I saw him on TMZ Monday and they were talking about him on Sportscenter last night. He's kind of a big deal.
 
Mr teX said:
The hype & their polarizing effect mainly (you either love em or hate em)....but the "he just wins" thing comes to mind as well....Like Tebow, the hype in particular will probably get Manziel drafted higher than he probably should go as well.

They're also similar in that the best part of their games (running, escapability) will likely not translate as well in the NFL.
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Yeh but imagine tebow with incredible instincts and a legit NFL arm? Manziel has both.
 
mussop said:
Yeh but imagine tebow with incredible instincts and a legit NFL arm? Manziel has both.
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Noone questioned tebows arm strength...accuracy on the other hand....

VY had incredible instincts & a legit NFL arm..what did it get him in the NFL? Knowing the game is far more important..Not to say Manziel doesn't know the game of course......
 
Mr teX said:
Noone questioned tebows arm strength...accuracy on the other hand....

VY had incredible instincts & a legit NFL arm..what did it get him in the NFL? Knowing the game is far more important..Not to say Manziel doesn't know the game of course......
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Young had a 3/4 throwing motion also. Plus, his issue was never physical it was mental. Doesn't matter how many tools you have if you don't understand the gameplan and the can't get the playbook.
 
We have our first love affair...

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl
For those questioning whether the #Browns rumors on Manziel are legit this early, Lombardi can't help his obsession. Hoyer was it last yr.

Once Manziel announces his intention today to enter this year's draft, the speculation officially starts for the #Browns to draft him.
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Do you understand how big a size 15 foot is? I mean, I wear a size 7. :heart:
 
Stemp said:
Young had a 3/4 throwing motion also. Plus, his issue was never physical it was mental. Doesn't matter how many tools you have if you don't understand the gameplan and the can't get the playbook.
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we basically said the same thing...
 
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
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To be clear, Manziel has officially submitted declaration papers to #NFL for inclusing in 2014 draft, part of record 80 underclassmen.

This is great for us. We need to trade all our late round picks and get as many 4th and Lower round picks as possible.
 
Playoffs said:
We have our first love affair...

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl


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Do you understand how big a size 15 foot is? I mean, I wear a size 7. :heart:
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That lap band is really working for Chris Christie . :pirate:
 
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
A lot of Johnny's game may get developed, but if I'm a GM, I'm not using anything higher than a 3rd round pick. Still wouldn't sleep well.

Down field routes, Johnny doesn't throw, he "flings". Mechanics are sloppy. Literally flips feet during the throw. All natural, no technique

Not breaking news, but he's exceptional at evading tackles...so much so that he evades rather than step up in the pocket.

Manziel struggles on passes outside the numbers to the "field" side. Usually bounces them to the target or WR readjusts.

Manziel hardly ever shows ability to make touch passes & has a tendency to write a short Haiku, point a la Babe Ruth, & then throw to his WR

Half way thru the 4th qtr of the Duke game is when I actually saw Johnny look comfortable & flow thru progressions.

Manziel will need drastic improvements in his mechanics, similar to what Cam Newton showed from George Whitfield leading into rookie year.

He should change his name to Johnny Mnemonic cause his progressions are robotic even though his running skills are futuristic.

Manziel routinely gets comfortable w/ this protection & it's made for elongated reads thru progressions.

I like Johnny & think he's exciting to watch in college. His internal clock is off due to 5-6 seconds of clean O-line protection.

I don't view Johnny as Russell Wilson. I see more Mike Vick in his game, w/ a weaker arm & better accuracy.

I'll grow convictions to each one of my evaluations & I don't do the whole twitter debate. If you disagree that's fine. I've been wrong b4.

IF this is the first time you followed me during draft season, understand that I'll say IMO on each prospect. Nothing is absolute.

That's not to say that he won't be in the 1st or even the top 10. I didn't view Blaine Gabbert or Ryan Tannehill as top of the 1st talent

I haven't watched every game of Johnny Manziel, but I've watched enough to say that IN MY OPINION he's not worth a 1st rd pick.
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Yeah, I don't get it the "first pick with Manziel" logic either. I would love to have a Texas boy as our QB. That would kick ass! However, he's not a home run pick. He's not mechanically sound and he makes a lot of off schedule plays that will simply have a mighty lesser chance of happening in today's NFL. No one should ever be convinced that before Manziel ever puts on a NFL uniform, that those off-scheduled plays will work. And don't try to tell me he's like Russell Wilson because he's not. I think the idea of comparing proven QB's to college QB's is pretty dumb to be honest. It's like trying to compare music artists. They're ALL different.

He couldn't be professional enough to finish out the Manning Academy and he likes to party. That is proven. Does that make him a bad person? Hell no. I love to have fun and drink. It's why I never want to move back to Houston from Austin. Here's the thing, do you honestly think Bob, Rick, and Bill are going to spend the first f'n pick of the draft on JFF after possibly their worst season in franchise history? Do you really think they are willing to do that?

If so, please explain why they would skip on a squeaky-clean, just as competitive, and very talented QB in Teddy for the Wild Card that is JFF.
 
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