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Great game by Johnny Football, he is the most exciting football player since Flutie.

With that said, I dont want Slick Rick to pick Manziel or Bridgewater at 1-1.

If Slick Rick was at the game tonight I am sure Manziel gave him something to think about. Or atleast I hope that is the case.
 
FirstTexansFan said:
If the Ag's can only hire a defensive coordinator... I know they came through, but Mark Snyder ain't the dude. Love me some Manziel, kid has a heart... and in this discussion we left out two great short QB's... Drew Bree's and Doug Flutie :)
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Well they will need another qb as well
 
Yaky said:
Manziel is 10 times more exciting that all the other QBs put together. 10 times the leader too. Not even close. He fired up that awful defense at the half. Incredible. He was not to be denied.
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Canton should just build a freaking wing just for him then..
 
steelbtexan said:
Great game by Johnny Football, he is the most exciting football player since Flutie.

With that said, I dont want Slick Rick to pick Manziel or Bridgewater at 1-1.

If Slick Rick was at the game tonight I am sure Manziel gave him something to think about. Or atleast I hope that is the case.
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V.Y. was way more exciting and a better college QB.. that should speak volumes. I feel sorry for who ever takes this guy high in the first round. He runs with reckless abandonment and head dives into most collisions and he is NOT built for that. With the way he plays, He'll never last a full NFL season.

I hope to god the Texans steer away from him, because I don't think his game translates to the next level at all.
 
steelbtexan said:
Great game by Johnny Football, he is the most exciting football player since Flutie.

With that said, I dont want Slick Rick to pick Manziel or Bridgewater at 1-1.

If Slick Rick was at the game tonight I am sure Manziel gave him something to think about. Or atleast I hope that is the case.
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I love Manziel, but I'd be excited and a little scared if we drafted him. How would you feel if the traded back with Cleveland and landed Manziel plus their other first and their second?
 
otisbean said:
I love Manziel, but I'd be excited and a little scared if we drafted him. How would you feel if the traded back with Cleveland and landed Manziel plus their other first and their second?
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I dont want the Texans to draft Manziel.

But I would rather them draft Manziel at 1-10 after trading back, than Bridgewater at 1-1.
 
FirstTexansFan said:
The freshman from Southlake Carroll Kenny Hill has a ton of talent, QB isn't going to be an issue. Will he be Manziel? Certainly not, but more than able to take the reigns.
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We will see.

I'm very interested in seeing Sumlin run his offense without a GOAT type college QB. (Keenum/Manziel) You know, one that he actually recruited himself.
 
If we could work a monster trade deal to Cleveland, or another team desperate for a QB and willing to take a flyer on Bridgewater, I wouldn't mind picking up JFF later in the first, after we have already addressed OL or DL/DB. He really should be a 2nd to 3rd round grade, but hype will get him paid.
 
kingtexan said:
If we could work a monster trade deal to Cleveland, or another team desperate for a QB and willing to take a flyer on Bridgewater, I wouldn't mind picking up JFF later in the first, after we have already addressed OL or DL/DB. He really should be a 2nd to 3rd round grade, but hype will get him paid.
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Don't give up your day job. You're a horrible talent evaluator.
 
Carr Bombed said:
V.Y. was way more exciting and a better college QB.. that should speak volumes.
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What a totally false and ignorant argument.


Carr Bombed said:
I feel sorry for who ever takes this guy high in the first round. He runs with reckless abandonment and head dives into most collisions and he is NOT built for that. With the way he plays, He'll never last a full NFL season.

I hope to god the Texans steer away from him, because I don't think his game translates to the next level at all.
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More BS. He dives head first into most collisions? False! Honestly have you even watched him or do you just watch YouTube highlights?
 
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steelbtexan said:
Great game by Johnny Football, he is the most exciting football player since Flutie.

With that said, I dont want Slick Rick to pick Manziel or Bridgewater at 1-1.

If Slick Rick was at the game tonight I am sure Manziel gave him something to think about. Or atleast I hope that is the case.
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Agreed. I hope he looked at Manziel & thought, "Wow... that kid is amazing. But not worth the #1 overall... wait a minute, neither is Bridgewater."
 
Carr Bombed said:
V.Y. was way more exciting and a better college QB.. that should speak volumes. I feel sorry for who ever takes this guy high in the first round. He runs with reckless abandonment and head dives into most collisions and he is NOT built for that. With the way he plays, He'll never last a full NFL season.

I hope to god the Texans steer away from him, because I don't think his game translates to the next level at all.
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Please elaborate on which statistic you could base that off of? :rake:

VY

JFF

Big 12 vs. SEC competition as well.
 
mussop said:
What a totally false and ignorant argument.
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When you are quoting and attributing it to someone it should look like this:

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not this:

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for the front of the quote. You have the end correct with the / in it.
 
=Carr Bombed;2277060]V.Y. was way more exciting and a better college QB.. that should speak volumes. [/QUOTE]

What a totally false and ignorant argument.


[/QUOTE]=Carr Bombed;2277060]I feel sorry for who ever takes this guy high in the first round. He runs with reckless abandonment and head dives into most collisions and he is NOT built for that. With the way he plays, He'll never last a full NFL season.

I hope to god the Texans steer away from him, because I don't think his game translates to the next level at all.[/QUOTE]

More BS. He dives head first into most collisions? False! Honestly have you even watched him or do you just watch YouTube highlights?[/QUOTE]
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Can you please pull off a clean quote rebuttal before you start calling people's arguments ignorant?

Vince Young was a much greater college QB... and I still didn't want him on this team. You paint yourself as a complete homer if you try to argue that Manziel had a better College career. Vince Young was the most efficient passer in college football, won a national championship, was a much better scrambler/runner, and playmaker... and he still fell flat on his face at the next level.

"JFF" leaves himself exposed so many times and dives head first into big hits that I don't believe he'll be able to make it through a NFL season. That isn't "False".. it's the damn truth. The play by play guys even talked about it last night. :rolleyes: That's my biggest knock on him. Until he changes the way he plays, he will not last at the next level... especially with the hits he takes on his throwing arm. This guy is was too small to take the type of hits that he does. As soon as he gets to the NFL he's going to get lit up and hurt.

For that simple fact, I'll take Bridgewater over him.
 
disaacks3 said:
Please elaborate on which statistic you could base that off of? :rake:

VY

JFF

Big 12 vs. SEC competition as well.
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First of all the Big 12 was a better conference than the SEC during those days.. so was the Pac 10 during the time when USC was the greatest team eva..

This goes back to the time where OH was winning national championships, TT had the pirate, Texas was at it's height, Missouri was on top with Chase Daniels and the SEC (Alabama and Auburn) was a dumpster fire.

V.Y. regardless of how people feel about the guy (which mainly goes back to the 2006 draft and the trolls that flooded this board) had a better college career and was a better college player.
 
Carr Bombed said:
First of all the Big 12 was a better conference than the SEC during those days.. so was the Pac 10 during the time when USC was the greatest team eva..

This goes back to the time where OH was winning national championships, TT had the pirate, Texas was at it's height, Missouri was on top with Chase Daniels and the SEC (Alabama and Auburn) was a dumpster fire.

V.Y. regardless of how people feel about the guy (which mainly goes back to the 2006 draft and the trolls that flooded this board) had a better college career and was a better college player.
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Still waiting on the answer to my question. Feel free to actually answer it this time.
 
Playoffs said:
No. He wasn't. And this from a Longhorn grad.

Manziel has a bookshelf of "Oh, wow!" plays. VY had a book.
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Young had more "wow" plays in the 2006 NC game than Johnny has on his bookshelf.. and that isn't even counting the other Rose Bowl game against Michigan.. so no, he didn't.

And it starts...

2006 all over again. :toropalm:
 
Johnny Football is a great leader .... on the Aggies. Will that carry over to a professional team? His ra-ra leadership style is ideal in highschool and college, but will he, at 21 years of age, be able to 'fire up' the veterans on our team? I just don't see it. I dont' think he has the maturity to succeed in the pros tomorrow.

I think Manziel is an amazing college football quarterback with the ability to push a winning team over the edge. I don't think he's the right guy to stick into a 2-14 team and expect a quick turnaround. A string of 4 or 5 losses and I imagine his 'leadership' is going to get old quickly.

Put me into the camp that doesn't think he'll be successful in the NFL. I don't think his size is conducive to his game, I don't think his best qualities would be good on a team like ours, and I don't think he has particularly strong mechanics.

This isn't a comparison to anyone, and certainly not an endorsement for TB. And at the same time, if we draft him, I'll be cheering like hell that he continues to have games like last night. I've never seen a more exciting college QB than him. He really is amazing. I hope he succeeds wherever he ends up because the NFL would be much better for it.
 
gtexan02 said:
Johnny Football is a great leader .... on the Aggies. Will that carry over to a professional team? His ra-ra leadership style is ideal in highschool and college, but will he, at 21 years of age, be able to 'fire up' the veterans on our team? I just don't see it. I dont' think he has the maturity to succeed in the pros tomorrow.

I think Manziel is an amazing college football quarterback with the ability to push a winning team over the edge. I don't think he's the right guy to stick into a 2-14 team and expect a quick turnaround. A string of 4 or 5 losses and I imagine his 'leadership' is going to get old quickly.

Put me into the camp that doesn't think he'll be successful in the NFL. I don't think his size is conducive to his game, I don't think his best qualities would be good on a team like ours, and I don't think he has particularly strong mechanics.

This isn't a comparison to anyone, and certainly not an endorsement for TB. And at the same time, if we draft him, I'll be cheering like hell that he continues to have games like last night. I've never seen a more exciting college QB than him. He really is amazing. I hope he succeeds wherever he ends up because the NFL would be much better for it.
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Agree 110%.......REP
 
Carr Bombed said:
I did answer it.. feel free to try to explain how the SEC was better than the Big 12? Like you tried to suggest.
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You might take some remedial reading classes. Give me the stats that point out VY's superiority. I gave you the links. Still waiting...
 
gtexan02 said:
I assume the obvious one is number of national championships won: 1 - 0.
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That's not a VY stat. That's a University of Texas championship, not a VY vs. the world one. VY never dreamed of having a Defense as poor as Johnny has had.
 
If I had to pick between JF or VY I'm taking JF . They both only played 2 years and JF dominated from day one . VY is Tebow while JF is Flutie or Archie Manning .
 
disaacks3 said:
You might take some remedial reading classes. Give me the stats that point out VY's superiority. I gave you the links. Still waiting...
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No, I don't take "remedial reading classes".. because I don't do things like make up absolute bull**** trying to be "SEC guy" when the SEC was absolute trash back then and the big 12 was the best conference in the nation. Which by the way, how come you still haven't answered that question? do you need to take some remedial reading classes?


As far as stats.. The only bowl games J.F.F played in was the Cotton bowl and the Chik-fil-a bowl. Against OH and Duke.

Vince Young has the top two performances in Rose bowl history. was the most efficient QB in the NCAA, was one of the most successful QBs in the ncaa.. Outside of a Heisman trophy, he had the better college career.

But lets still talk about that SEC vs big 12 record in 05/06 LOL
 
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It was the 26th time Manziel scrambled for a first down on third down this season and was the type of athletic play he's made commonplace. Just ask Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops, who said Manziel is the best quarterback he's coached against.

"Absolutely," Stoops said. "Because of not only throwing the football, what he does with his feet is just incredibly difficult to handle."

Manziel became the fourth consecutive Heisman Trophy winner -- Mark Ingram, Cam Newton, Robert Griffin III -- to win their ensuing bowl game. But his performance may have been the most impressive. He set an FBS-record for rushing yards in a bowl game by a quarterback with 229. And he nearly became the second FBS player to throw for 300 yards and rush for 200 yards in a game, finishing with 287 yards through the air.

Former Dallas Cowboys VP of player personnel and senior NFL.com writer Gil Brandt tweeted afterwards, "Best performance by [a] player I've ever seen."

The Aggies came out of the locker room nursing a slim, one-point lead. But from the start of the third quarter, Manziel was nearly infallible. In four consecutive drives to start the half, A&M scored four touchdowns, covering 325 yards in just 27 plays.

He made perfect downfield throws to Ryan Swope and Uzoma Nwachukwu. And he continued to keep the OU defense on its heels with highlight-reel runs whenever he could break containment on the edge.

He was the catalyst for turning a competitive game into a laugher, answering any and all questions about the Heisman Trophy winner's readiness in the leadup to the season's finale.

Oklahoma defensive coordinator Mike Stoops, who has been in the coaching business since 1986, heaped some lofty praise on Manziel in the postgame news conference.

"[He's the] best player I've ever played," Stoops said.
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http://www.secrant.com/rant/p/38965...is-better-than-Vince-Young-and-Tim-Tebow.aspx
 
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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed
V.Y. was way more exciting and a better college QB.. that should speak volumes.


Why should it speak volumes?
 
disaacks3 said:
That's not a VY stat. That's a University of Texas championship, not a VY vs. the world one. VY never dreamed of having a Defense as poor as Johnny has had.
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Sorry, while the rest of the team made plays to put him in position to win it.. ( the 4th and 1 stop on Lendale White comes to mind) That is a VY stat. When you completely take over a game and have 250+ passing yards plus 200+ rushing yards in a championship game you deserve a hell of a lot of credit for your team's outcome.

And as poor as a defense that Johnny ever dreamed of having this year.. let's not kid ourselves here. If that piss poor defense never steps up and holds a team that scored 38 first half points to only 10 second half points while picking off two crucial passes to close out the game.. Johnny never wins that game.
 
It's really not even close and like it or not the Big 12 in VY's day isn't what the SEC is now .

VY total yards in 3 years ... 9,167 .

JF total yards in 2 years .... 9,989 .
 
mussop said:
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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed
V.Y. was way more exciting and a better college QB.. that should speak volumes.


Why should it speak volumes?
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Because VY failed at the next level, which is what I fully expect Manziel to do. I think he's a more reckless player than even VY was and he's going to get hurt with the way he plays.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Because VY failed at the next level, which is what I fully expect Manziel to do. I think he's a more reckless player than even VY was and he's going to get hurt with the way he plays.
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VY failed because he thought his high School and college way of playing simplistic football would carry him . He also had bad mechanics which means he couldn't be coached or couldn't learn .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
VY failed because he thought his high School and college way of playing simplistic football would carry him . He also had bad mechanics which means he couldn't be coached or couldn't learn .
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Yes I agree.. But it doesn't change the fact that he was one of the greatest college QBs/college athletes which in the midst of the VY hate on this board gets lost. There's been PLENTY of great college players that suck at the next level, it doesn't mean they were crappy college players

And he had a better college career than Manziel.

A decade from now, people aren't going to give a crap about a cotton bowl or a Chik-fil-a bowl against a weak OU or Duke team.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
VY failed because he thought his high School and college way of playing simplistic football would carry him . He also had bad mechanics which means he couldn't be coached or couldn't learn .
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Here's another record that VY set that Manziel won't touch: Lowest ever wonderlic score.

Another significant difference between the two of them is that VY is not intelligent and has a very low football IQ.

I don't see Manziel challenging that record.
 
gtexan02 said:
Here's another record that VY set that Manziel won't touch: Lowest ever wonderlic score.

Another significant difference between the two of them is that VY is not intelligent and has a very low football IQ.

I don't see Manziel challenging that record.
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What does a wonderlic test have to do with football IQ?

:) There's been plenty of people who scored high on this test that completely washed out of the league. And there's been other people who had great careers despite scoring low scores. Dan Marino has the same score as Vince, just sayin.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Young had more "wow" plays in the 2006 NC game than Johnny has on his bookshelf.. and that isn't even counting the other Rose Bowl game against Michigan.. so no, he didn't.

And it starts...

2006 all over again. :toropalm:
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Yup, same **** different player. Texans always falling in love with the local talent. It's going to be a long offseason.
 
Carr Bombed said:
No, I don't take "remedial reading classes".. because I don't do things like make up absolute bull**** trying to be "SEC guy" when the SEC was absolute trash back then and the big 12 was the best conference in the nation. Which by the way, how come you still haven't answered that question? do you need to take some remedial reading classes?


As far as stats.. The only bowl games J.F.F played in was the Cotton bowl and the Chik-fil-a bowl. Against OH and Duke.

Vince Young has the top two performances in Rose bowl history. was the most efficient QB in the NCAA, was one of the most successful QBs in the ncaa.. Outside of a Heisman trophy, he had the better college career.

But lets still talk about that SEC vs big 12 record in 05/06 LOL
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So, you still can't do it? You know, there's a reason for that.

Funny that your whole premise is bull****, but you act like I'm making something up?

I'm sorry your brain can't wrap itself around BIG-12 THEN vs. SEC - now. I'll go slow for you. End of season top-25 teams in '05 BIG12 - 5 ranked. End of season top-25 teams in '13 for SEC? 6 ranked.

Let us know when you come up with a cognizant argument. :rolleyes:

BTW - That's OU, not OH the Aggies destroyed last year.
 
disaacks3 said:
So, you still can't do it? You know, there's a reason for that.

Funny that your whole premise is bull****, but you act like I'm making something up?

I'm sorry your brain can't wrap itself around BIG-12 THEN vs. SEC - now. I'll go slow for you. End of season top-25 teams in '05 BIG12 - 5 ranked. End of season top-25 teams in '13 for SEC? 6 ranked.

Let us know when you come up with a cognizant argument. :rolleyes:

BTW - That's OU, not OH the Aggies destroyed last year.
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LMAO..

wow, so while Vince played in the best conference in football during his time.. Johnny football only had one more team ranked.. damn (both players payed in the best conferences during their time on a collegiate field)

And while Vince was man handling programs like Michigan and the (media hyped) "greatest team ever" USC..in the rose bowl. Johnny football was beating teams like a crappy OU sooners team (I did put the "U" in there right.. sorry for the typo before, maybe next time you won't be a ******* about it) and then having to hope for a comeback vs Duke U.

Damn, I never knew Johnny football (BTW, Gayest nickname ever) fans were so defensive. :rolleyes:
 
You're almost there. Tell me which QB had better stats versus that level of competition? C'mon, try to be honest.

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steelbtexan said:
I dont want the Texans to draft Manziel.

But I would rather them draft Manziel at 1-10 after trading back, than Bridgewater at 1-1.
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What don't you like about Manziel? I'd of courser prefer him to be a bit taller but I can live with his size. The only thing that scares me about him is later in the season teams started keeping him in the pocket and limiting his scrambling ability and his performance dropped a bit, BUT he was also playing with a hurt shoulder (from the Auburn game) and I believe a tweaked thumb. It's tough to know if he struggled due to being banged up or if he simply struggles when being forced to stay in the pocket.

The things I really like about him are his field vision and his will to win. Those can be really tough to coach.
 
IMHO like college Manziel will be the most exciting player to watch in the NFL. The season ticket holders of the team that drafts Johnny Manziel will be some lucky season ticket holders.
 
Vinny said:
I was a bit scared of taking him but I think I'm past that. He's accurate, smart, elusive and a leader. That was a hell of a game topping off a hell of a career at TAMU. O'Brien talks about not needing ideal size to run his offense. Football IQ, ability to communicate, accuracy and leadership are more important to him. I'm slipping to the dark side....I'd be ok with Manziel. Bucky Brooks sure seems enamored with him.
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The guy is just a straight up gamer. I wouldn't mind the Texans taking him 1-1, because I don't think he will last out of the top five...
 
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