Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
Lovin me some Texans org.
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Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
It does appear so.
Well...we went through 20 quarterbacks in 5 years and ended up with a good one. Maybe they think this can also work with the General Manager position?
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I’m disappointed in team. Unless Gaine did something awful/non football related to lose his job. It’s one thing if they fired OB because a demonstrably better coach became available (The guy in NE, Reid, Carroll as examples).
But there is no such replacement clearly available at GM. Gaine had a vision for what he was building and though there were valid reasons to pan the inactivity this offseason his track record thus far (2018 draft haul without 1/2 picks) had earned him more leeway than a sudden firing.
Agreed, but there are better guys out there.
McCloughan/Savage/Wolf/Cesario just to name a few.
Question is who would want to come to work for this dysfunctional franchise?
McGloughan has had time in the GM role but he’s got off field issues making him unreliable. Not demonstrably better (unless of course we find out Gaine had off field issue).
Rest haven’t been given opportunity to prove they are demonstrably better. That would be like firing OB for a hot shot coordinator who has never been a HC. May work out... may not.
Unreliable? He's built 2 championship quality teams, that's what I want down on Kirby. I really dont care what people do in their personal lives. I just care about the results on Sunday's. It's why they keep score.
His 49er teams as GM were 7-9 and 8-8 then 6-10 the year after he was dismissed. They did turn around when Harbaugh arrived though in 2011.
Seahawks teams did great but he wasn’t GM. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the league and unavailable for good reason.
When he was GM of Redskins they went 9-7 and 8-7-1 and after dismissal back to back 7-9 seasons.
Looks like you are a fan of mediocrity as long as they have some off field issue
(2018 draft haul without 1/2 picks)
Unreliable? He's built 2 championship quality teams, that's what I want down on Kirby. I really dont care what people do in their personal lives. I just care about the results on Sunday's. It's why they keep score.
He was the driving force behind the Harbaugh teams. The guy that found the talent. McCloughan left, then Harbaugh in a lost power struggle to Ballke. That's when the 49ers fell off.
He was the guy that found most of the talent for the Seahawks championship team. He found Wilson for example.
He lost a power struggle to Allen and wasn't there long enough to implement his plan and Allen kept throwing in monkey wrenches. What have the Skins done since McCloughan left?
This is incorrect. He had the normal number of picks, 2 were just lower.
BS two ways. 1st he'll never be GM again. You're, most likely intentionally, setting a standard designed for the Texans to fail. Might as well say 'if the Texans were serious rather than cheap they'd buy Belichick from NE.'
2nd McCloughan didn't build either team. He was GM in San Fran for just 2 years and that ended with an 8-8 team that then went 6-10 3 years before they went to the SB. In Seattle he was 3rd man on the personnel totem pole. Yay he was a big Wilson advocate. One player is not a team.
Are you seriously going to say not having the 1/2 pick is a fine scenario to walk into? I know you love arguing semantics but c’mon man
Absolutely 100% yes. Why didn't he have a #1? Because it was already on the field in the form of a rookie contract franchise QB. Most new GMs walk in needing a QB. So bottom line Gaine had a 3rd instead of a 2nd. Big fu@kin whoop. Not many new GMs walk into 2 time division winners with a franchise QB. Spare me the pity party over one round.
2 rounds
Cal's putting his stamp on the team, no doubt. It's just too soon to get a sense of what type of owner he's going to be other than different than his dad. So far he's giving the impression (IMO) of impulsive and decisive to get a ring - you're the one person I would have expected to have approved of the move. I'm just hoping that he's only putting his stamp on the team and impulsiveness isn't his M.O.Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
Cal's putting his stamp on the team, no doubt. It's just too soon to get a sense of what type of owner he's going to be other than different than his dad. So far he's giving the impression (IMO) of impulsive and decisive to get a ring - you're the one person I would have expected to have approved of the move. I'm just hoping that he's only putting his stamp on the team and impulsiveness isn't his M.O.
You can try to give him credit all you want to fit your narrative but I laid out pretty clearly he is undeserving of your lofty praise.
The 49ers had two full offseasons after he left to build Harbaugh’s teams.
He was not the GM of the Seahawks and they are still perennial contenders long after he left. If he was mainly responsible for Wilson and Legion of Boom selections he’d be the GM over there.
What did the Redskins do while he was there other than 9-7? Very Texans-esque sure but not a clear upgrade...
He wasn't GM of the 49ers either. But both the 49ers/Seahawks were successful while he was there. Not so much after he left. BTW, he's the guy that picked Mayfield for the Browns even though Dorsey was the GM. Dorsey was smart enough to hire him as a consultant.
He wasn't GM of the 49ers either. But both the 49ers/Seahawks were successful while he was there. Not so much after he left.
He was GM of the Niners 2008-9. The Niners had ZERO winning seasons during his tenure, 2005-2009. 2010 was 6-10. The arrival of Harbaugh in 2011 turned them into a winner.
Pete Carroll was the #1 personnel guy in Seattle and obvious architect of their success. Kudos for the 3rd man advocating Wilson.
Did crap in Washington. Very few people get 2nd shots at being GM. How about you google up 3rds?
Can you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?I liked Gaine,
I think Cletus didn't let Gaine make some of the moves he wanted to make this offseason.
Can you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?
McClain has said many times that OBrien basically has control over personnel and signed off on every move
So it had to be something gaine screwed up. Could have been failing to trade up when O'Brien told him to or something else
McClain has said many times that OBrien basically has control over personnel and signed off on every move
So it had to be something gaine screwed up. Could have been failing to trade up when O'Brien told him to or something else
Can you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?
Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
If Pancakes is correct then that is what is wrong with the Texans. Their power structure is not right. The HC should have input, sure, but not over that of the GM. D'Antoni isn't making the decisions over Morey. Hinch isn't over Luhnow.
The Texans need to get their power structure back in order. Now that Gaine is gone, get rid of OB. Then hire a GM and let the GM bring his HC in. The Texans have done it ass backwards since 2006-07 with Kubiak and Smith, now OB and Gaine and it looks like they're about to do it again with OB and new GM.
Cal made the decision. But, there's little doubt that O'Brien put the idea in Cal's ear.I'm waiting for where this goes. As far as who runs team, if it works, I'm good. I'd rather Cal made decision to fire GM than O'Brien.
Can you elaborate? You think Cal kept Gaine from being more proactive in FA? Why would he fire him if he was just taking marching orders?
He was GM of the Niners 2008-9. The Niners had ZERO winning seasons during his tenure, 2005-2009. 2010 was 6-10. The arrival of Harbaugh in 2011 turned them into a winner.
Pete Carroll was the #1 personnel guy in Seattle and obvious architect of their success. Kudos for the 3rd man advocating Wilson.
Did crap in Washington. Very few people get 2nd shots at being GM. How about you google up 3rds?
Career history
As executive:
- Green Bay Packers (1994–1999)
(Regional scout)- Seattle Seahawks (2000–2004)
(Director of college scouting)- San Francisco 49ers (2005–2007)
(Vice President of Player Personnel)- San Francisco 49ers (2008–2009)
(General manager)- Seattle Seahawks (2010–2013)
(Senior personnel executive)- Washington Redskins (2015–2016)
(General manager)
And I don’t think there was a “wrong” decision between Mayfield/Darnold last draft. Both should be very good QBs.
Poor Sashi used a tanking strategy to perfection and got fired to let Dorsey get the credit. He inherited a warchest of draft picks (thanks largely to Texans) and cap space.
Can we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
He found Wilson and Mayfield and is recognized as one of the best personnel guys in the NFL.
You've been one of the Texans biggest critics this offseason because of their relative passivity in free agency which I'd guess was more likely a factor in his downfall than any restrictions placed on him by McNair.I liked Gaine,
I think Cletus didn't let Gaine make some of the moves he wanted to make this offseason.
It’s one thing if they fired OB because a demonstrably better coach became available (The guy in NE, Reid, Carroll as examples).
Yes to the first. Not so much the 2ndCan we all agree the Texans org is a clusterfvck?
Lovin me some Texans org.
The Patriots do not have the conventional power structure. Neither did the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. The Walsh/Siefert Niners didn't either. That's the last 3 dynasty teams and 14 Lombardis that say conventional isn't the only or maybe even smart way. Coaching is #1.
Agreed. But...
Belichick, Johnson, Siefert... O'Brien
One of these doesn't fit.
Agreed. But...
Belichick, Johnson, Siefert... O'Brien
One of these doesn't fit.
Two of those franchises had Brady, Montana, and Steve Young as well though.
If another GM is in the wings, was there a reason to name Olsen as an interim?
That was the coaching is #1 part.
Now something doubly disconcerting about that set, the 3 succesful ones found their QB. OB got shoved into having a franchise QB in a move he is rumored to have opposed. How plumber's chin has managed thru this is boggling.
Leave Aikman out and you miss the point. JJ chose & got the QB he wanted. If Jerry hadn't pissed him off would have been 4 in a row with that unmentionable QB.
Whoever was responsible for Larry Allen , Erik Williams , and Leon Lett hit it big . Small school guys who were pro bowlers .
I think it was a combination of talent & coaching. We all know Lett in particular had motivational issues & Jimmy was very involved in the player/man He turned out to be.