Kubiak Supporters: Why should he stay?

[Runner]

Great Post Grams. Most people on here or too young or have forgot or just refuse to acknowledge the facts of the NFL. Do you remember the Oilers of '64-'74 that went a combined 49-102-5? Or the Oilers of '82-'86 that went 16-49?


Or how about the Saints that waited 13 years for their first non-losing season? And 21 years for their first winning season?

Or Tampa Bay that had 15 straight losing seasons from '82-'96?

Or the Cardinals that went from '85-'97 with only one .500 season ('94) in that span?

The instant gratification syndrome has totally spoiled many things...not least of all sports fans.

I have to give you props for realism. You are comparing the Texans to similar teams rather than great teams or otherwise predicting a dynasty.

 

[Scooter]

So... We give him 10 years till he gains enough talent to win in spite of his
decisions. Good. This really IS the Big 12!

win in spite of his decisions? ask yourself honestly, where would we be at this point with the texans without kubiak's decisions? if you'll recall, kubiak spent his first 2 seasons eliminating those badass contracts, another removing sherman's additions (which i admit had me fooled), and building through the draft ... and as the offensive guru projected to be has made us a top tier offense without any wasted motions. that speaks to me of good decisions. a half-back pass is just plain dumb (but the chargers and colts have done it successfully), starting brown when slaton's fumbling is a no-win situation, and many more are poor decisions - but these are not big picture and not what a coach's tenure can be based on.

kubiak should ...

coach the offense ... top 10 the last three seasons
acquire talent ... being frustrated by our results speaks for itsself (or we could be celebrating our superbowl 2nd win of the season against the steelers)
surround himself with good coaches ... gibbs, rhodes, matthews, shanahan, bush, and marciano (and sherman who should actually take a year off of kubiak's tenure)
prepare and motivate ... we're 1 play or kick per game away from 10 wins to this point, maybe 11.
manage the roster ... after a 2 year purge we have the youngest and one of the most feared starting lineups in football without having to spend to do so (our potentially bad contracts are orlovsky and smith ... cap hell!)
develope talent ... mario, demeco, cushing, brown, slaton, winston, daniels, schaub, quinn, spencer, adibi, diles (i can keep going if you want).

kubiak's decisions, in my opinion, are in line with what will make us successful in the long term - and if replaced the next head coach will have struck a gold mine. why would cowher be attracted to the texans as opposed to the more popular raiders or home town panthers or savior of the lions or every other opportunity? we are attractive because of the perception that kubiak's done everything to get us here, but another coach (even proven winners) will be able to get more out of a young team without on-field leadership. why should another coach get to finish what kubiak's started? and make no mistake, we've just started ... i've said it over and over ... when this houston texans team hits their prime (when our starting lineup is atleast 27 years old) we'll be a juggernaut.

 

[Mr. White]

I'll be breif to the point, I think the hometown bias still swings my boat. I would hate to see him leave, go somewhere else then start winning these close games. Imagine the whining then, "oh how did we let him leave, we should never have let that happen", talk when he coaches another cities team to a Superbowl. no thanks

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Maybe it's the Brad Lidge syndrome. A guy capable of getting a team to the World Series, but he's hit his ceiling in Houston. He's even regressed.

The only way that he'll get to the Super Bowl is with a change of address. He's got us as far as he can take us for now. His style of coaching just isn't working for these "kids" anymore.

 

[DexmanC]

Maybe it's the Brad Lidge syndrome. A guy capable of getting a team to the World Series, but he's hit his ceiling in Houston. He's even regressed.

The only way that he'll get to the Super Bowl is with a change of address. He's got us as far as he can take us for now. His style of coaching just isn't working for these "kids" anymore.

Jeff Van Gundy led the Rockets to the playoffs every year, but we couldn't
get out of the first round. It was always "next year." Jeff did all he could,
but it was once we brought in Rick Adelman we could go on a 22 game win
streak, and get OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND!

Same talent, different coach, better results. This Rockets team is LESS
talented than they were in previous years, yet they are competitive NOT
by losing close, but WINNING GAMES!!

Please...

Competitive = WINNING GAMES!

Losing Close = Losing Big = LOSING!!!

 

[Scooter]

c'mon dex, the rockets are a horrid example. morey as much as anybody has made our success with the smart roster building - which is where most of the kubiak compliments come from. it wasnt until we filled the holes with scola, landry, brooks, artest, wafer, and lowry that we made it out of the first round.

same talent different results? for a 10 man roster, that's not even close.

 

[DexmanC]

c'mon dex, the rockets are a horrid example. morey as much as anybody has made our success with the smart roster building - which is where most of the kubiak compliments come from. it wasnt until we filled the holes with scola, landry, brooks, artest, wafer, and lowry that we made it out of the first round.

same talent different results? for a 10 man roster, that's not even close.

Smart roster building, cheap players, who play better because of GREAT
COACHING.

There is a parallel. Adelman is a PROVEN COMMODITY as a COACH. He's
taken a roster that does NOT level in the top ten in talent, and has installed
a team that wins more than it loses. Gary Kubiak is a likeable guy, but he's
never proven ANYTHING as a coach in the NFL. How many mulligans does
the guy get here?

 

[DexmanC]

c'mon dex, the rockets are a horrid example. morey as much as anybody has made our success with the smart roster building - which is where most of the kubiak compliments come from. it wasnt until we filled the holes with scola, landry, brooks, artest, wafer, and lowry that we made it out of the first round.

same talent different results? for a 10 man roster, that's not even close.

Who's the blue chipper in that group? It was the coaching that got them
over-the-top, for the most part WITHOUT Yao OR McGrady.

 

[dc_txtech]

I was just as pissed as everyone here Sunday afternoon, but I chose not
to open my bar of pink soap just yet. Hear me out. This team finished 8-8
over the last two season, but in a lot of their losses prior to this season,
they were blown off the field. This year, they seem like a team that's
fumbling for a winning formula, but have yet to strike 'Eureka!'

In spite of having a rookie OC, and a rookie DC, this team looks like
it has the ability to whip any team on their schedule. Before this season,
we were hoping they could just 'hang with' the big boys. This is the first
time they've proven to themselves they really could play with ANYBODY. QUOTE]

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67573

Man, people sure can change their tune quickly.

 

[Scooter]

smart roster building - check
cheap players - check
playing better because of coaching - the only reason we even have these playoffs or bust expectations are because of how well such a young team has been coached up

never proven anything in the nfl? after taking over playcalling duties has 2 superbowl rings and is in the midst of his 4th season as head coach of his first opportunity. we didnt exactly hire chuck knoll here. what muligans? at what point is anyone asking to start over or rebuild or correct anything? the "keep him" crowd is focused on his progression, and where i think that progression will lead us next season and the next.

 

[DexmanC]

I was just as pissed as everyone here Sunday afternoon, but I chose not
to open my bar of pink soap just yet. Hear me out. This team finished 8-8
over the last two season, but in a lot of their losses prior to this season,
they were blown off the field. This year, they seem like a team that's
fumbling for a winning formula, but have yet to strike 'Eureka!'

In spite of having a rookie OC, and a rookie DC, this team looks like
it has the ability to whip any team on their schedule. Before this season,
we were hoping they could just 'hang with' the big boys. This is the first
time they've proven to themselves they really could play with ANYBODY. QUOTE]

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67573

Man, people sure can change their tune quickly.

When you're lead to believe fire is cold, then you touch it, you come
to understand the truth very quickly. I've already explained that multiple
times.

 

[DexmanC]

smart roster building - check
cheap players - check
playing better because of coaching - the only reason we even have these playoffs or bust expectations are because of how well such a young team has been coached up

never proven anything in the nfl? after taking over playcalling duties has 2 superbowl rings and is in the midst of his 4th season as head coach of his first opportunity. we didnt exactly hire chuck knoll here. what muligans? at what point is anyone asking to start over or rebuild or correct anything? the "keep him" crowd is focused on his progression, and where i think that progression will lead us next season and the next.

They've won the same amount of games vs. .500 or better teams for the
last four years running. We slap the Raiders and Bills around pretty good,
and pee our pants against the Titans, Colts, Jags (Who lost to the Seahawks
by 41,) Jets (How were they coached up, when they looked like they'd
forgotten how to play football.)

We're moving in place, folks. Improving in some areas, regressing at the
SAME RATE we've progressed in other areas. Better road team, worse home
team. Better defense, regressed offense. Less quarterback turnovers, more
runningback turnovers.

Better coaching? At least Van Gundy knew to get the ball to his best weapon
Better coaching? We can't throw a fade to Dre in the redzone? Our
personnel is made for zone blocking, yet we take Dre off the field, tighten
the formation at the one yardline, and dare the Cardinals (#1 run defense
in the NFL at the time) to stop us from running it up the gut with Chris
Brown?) How can our headcoach get better at his job, when he's too
stubborn to effectively correct his mistakes?

There ARE better coaches in the NFL better than Gary Kubiak. Which one
is it? That's what the interview process is for. Maybe, this time, Bob will
interview more than 3 candidates.

 

[Redtexan#34]

Everyone is pointing out the recent success of new coaches and total overhaul with regards to Systems offensive and defensive, see Denver. I am not saying it is not possible but one thing people on this board are taking for granted is assuming we can fill wholes utilizing free agents. Here is a link about the current state of negotiations between the union and league regarding the CBA http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/12/league-union-back-at-the-bargaining-table/ . If there is no CBA there will be 200 less free agents on the market. The only good thing for the Texans is it will reduce the number of our own free agents that the club will need to worry about signing. I agree with vinny who posted in another thread that McNair is totally going to David Carr the Kubiak situation and he will return. I hope an agreement on a new CBA is reached or we can forget about Hampton are any other big name free agent.

 

[DexmanC]

The sadist in me wants Bob to keep Gary here, only because I know the
fan base at Reliant won't stand for his "Mediocre is improvement" act any longer.
If Bob McNair is blind and deaf, Gary Kubiak will be your coach in 2010.

 

[TEXANRED]

Great Post Grams. Most people on here or too young or have forgot or just refuse to acknowledge the facts of the NFL. Do you remember the Oilers of '64-'74 that went a combined 49-102-5? Or the Oilers of '82-'86 that went 16-49?

And we went through a coach a year too.

Bum Phillips went 11-5 in his first year with the Oilers.

Jerry Glanville got us to the playoffs in his second year of coaching.

I don't think you can say that we are in the same situation now. Bud would of fired Kubes by now. Bud fires coachs until he gets the right one unlike McNair who take the Bengals aproach. Keep the coach around till his contract is up cus he doesnt want to pay a guy if he in not employed with the team.

 

[Vinny]

Great Post Grams. Most people on here or too young or have forgot or just refuse to acknowledge the facts of the NFL. Do you remember the Oilers of '64-'74 that went a combined 49-102-5? Or the Oilers of '82-'86 that went 16-49?


Or how about the Saints that waited 13 years for their first non-losing season? And 21 years for their first winning season?

Or Tampa Bay that had 15 straight losing seasons from '82-'96?

Or the Cardinals that went from '85-'97 with only one .500 season ('94) in that span?

The instant gratification syndrome has totally spoiled many things...not least of all sports fans.

Your also talking about a league before the salary cap and player movement via FA for the most part. That's why it is so rare to see a team not make the playoffs for 8 years anymore. The Cardinals were a league joke for a long time, as were the Bengals and the Saints. Nobody respected those organizations during those periods.

 

[Scooter]

The sadist in me wants Bob to keep Gary here, only because I know the
fan base at Reliant won't stand for his "Mediocre is improvement" act any longer.
If Bob McNair is blind and deaf, Gary Kubiak will be your coach in 2010.

hang on, i'm getting the impression you dont want kubiak here next season?

 

[Vinny]

hang on, i'm getting the impression you dont want kubiak here next season?

he'll change his mind this week. He should have a pair of flip-flops in his avatar.

 

[DexmanC]

hang on, i'm getting the impression you dont want kubiak here next season?

I started my phrase "THE SADIST IN ME." Meaning: The part of me
that likes to see things go to ****. Meaning: If Kubes comes back next year,
and this team plays like it ALWAYS HAS under his command, Reliant is gonna
be ROCKIN,' and NOT in a good way.

 

[eriadoc]

If the shoe fits

That doesn't answer the very simple question I asked. I'll break it down like I'm talking to a simpleton - in order for there to be fair weather fans, there needs to have been some fair weather at some point. My very simple and direct question to you is this:

When was the fair weather?

 

[DexmanC]

he'll change his mind this week. He should have a pair of flip-flops in his avatar.

I came to a realization, and have not gone back-and-forth. As I've said.
I was lead to believe that fire was cold, and bought the Texans' marketing
lock, stock, and barrel. After I looked deeper than 8-8, I was able to see
the truth. I've stated my reasons behind my understanding very clearly, and
at times, ad nauseum.

 

[TEXANRED]

When was the fair weather?

When we beat Dallas.

After that its pretty much sucked.

 

[Scooter]

I started my phrase "THE SADIST IN ME." Meaning: The part of me
that likes to see things go to ****. Meaning: If Kubes comes back next year,
and this team plays like it ALWAYS HAS under his command, Reliant is gonna
be ROCKIN,' and NOT in a good way.

sarcasm still doesnt work well in text.

 

[Maddict5]

The sadist in me wants Bob to keep Gary here, only because I know the
fan base at Reliant won't stand for his "Mediocre is improvement" act any longer.
If Bob McNair is blind and deaf, Gary Kubiak will be your coach in 2010.

im still looking at your post history.

and it would be alot easier for mcnair to please the loudest fans and fire kubiak after this year. however, as evidenced by the reggie bush decision, pleasing the majority of fans isnt his his principle concern thank god. i believe mcnair will be strong enough to make what i believe is the right decision and give kubiak one more year

 

[Maddict5]

he'll change his mind this week. He should have a pair of flip-flops in his avatar.

lol glad im not the only one that noticed it. credibility is not his friend

 

[TEXANRED]

im still looking at your post history.

and it would be alot easier for mcnair to please the loudest fans and fire kubiak after this year. however, as evidenced by the reggie bush decision, pleasing the majority of fans isnt his his principle concern thank god. i believe mcnair will be strong enough to make what i believe is the right decision and give kubiak one more year

And if it would please the court to go ahead and sign him to an extension after he calls another half back pass when at the 9 yard line. Or sign him to an extension after he wins his second challenge of the year. Or maybe after the team plays one game for a full 60 minutes. If only we could play Detroit. (whats that? we did? they came back on us too? Damn.)

 

[GuerillaBlack]

It took him (Cowher) 14 years.

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread or another Cowher inherited a hell of defense too, Rod Woodson, Greg LLoyd, Hardy Nickerson and Carnell Lake to name a few.

And? How long did it take him to make it to Super Bowl 30? Four years?

 

[houstonspartan]

I'll be breif to the point, I think the hometown bias still swings my boat. I would hate to see him leave, go somewhere else then start winning these close games. Imagine the whining then, "oh how did we let him leave, we should never have let that happen", talk when he coaches another cities team to a Superbowl. no thanks

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I am going to pretend I did not just read that.

If Gary goes somewhere else and has great success, I'd be happy for him. I like him.

But I'm amazed that you're not seeing the other side of this equation. It's also very possible - and likely - that a new coach could come in here, build on what Gary built, and get us going to the playoffs really fast.

When the Texans go to the Super Bowl, it will be because coach X came in and used Gary's system. And we'll have the same debates they've been having about Tampa and Pittsburg for the last few years.

Geez, I'm amazed at how dense some of us are being. Fear of the unknown is really working a number on this fanbase.

 

[Scooter]

I am going to pretend I did not just read that.

If Gary goes somewhere else and has great success, I'd be happy for him. I like him.

But I'm amazed that you're not seeing the other side of this equation. It's also very possible - and likely - that a new coach could come in here, build on what Gary built, and get us going to the playoffs really fast.

When the Texans go to the Super Bowl, it will be because coach X came in and used Gary's system. And we'll have the same debates they've been having about Tampa and Pittsburg for the last few years.

Geez, I'm amazed at how dense some of us are being. Fear of the unknown is really working a number on this fanbase.

for every "fear of the unknown", there's as much or more "the grass is greener". even the heavy kubiak supporters like myself believe that a new coach (within reason - i'd love to get cowher) will get us over the hump, and that's because of where kubiak's gotten us. we are one play, one lucky break, one injury, one player away from all of these talks disappearing entirely with kubiak as coach. mario and demeco gave us that push, schaub and daniels gave us that push, brown and slaton gave us that push, cushing and pollard are giving us that push ... why wont the next (especially with kubiak on the hotseat, finally going after a true elite veteran) give us the last nudge over the hump? a new coach is likely to do that ... and just as likely to punt us back to square 1 shortly afterward. kubiak's pushed this franchise up the hill, and it's been an exceptionally heavy burden for a first time coach (49 player turnover without veterans, purging contracts, and staying within the draft), but i'm confident that when we begin our reign - kubiak will be our best chance to succeed with the "kids" that grew up under him.

 

[DexmanC]

15-pages long, and we've now established that if one were to go on
emprical data alone, there's little to no justification to keeping Kubiak
here. Knowing this, the "Pro-Keep-Kubiakers" have no data to substantiate
their reasoning, so they respond by directly attacking the "Anti-Keep-Kubiakers."

In summary:

Kubiak should go because: "We want to make the playoffs. The team doesn't
win games when the whole world expects them to. The team blows big games,
no matter the size of the lead. They don't win in the division, etc."

Kubiak should stay because: "I don't have any data to back my beliefs, so
I'm just gonna try to discredit you."


This is the same tactic the FBI used on Martin Luther King and Malcolm X.
Religions use the same tactic as well (My God is better than your God.) I'm
very aware of it. Either way, free thinkers are always in search of the
truth no matter the source. I'll see you guys in four weeks. I'm sure
the discussion will be alive and kickin'.

 

[houstonspartan]

for every "fear of the unknown", there's as much or more "the grass is greener". even the heavy kubiak supporters like myself believe that a new coach (within reason - i'd love to get cowher) will get us over the hump, and that's because of where kubiak's gotten us. we are one play, one lucky break, one injury, one player away from all of these talks disappearing entirely with kubiak as coach. mario and demeco gave us that push, schaub and daniels gave us that push, brown and slaton gave us that push, cushing and pollard are giving us that push ... why wont the next (especially with kubiak on the hotseat, finally going after a true elite veteran) give us the last nudge over the hump? a new coach is likely to do that ... and just as likely to punt us back to square 1 shortly afterward. kubiak's pushed this franchise up the hill, and it's been an exceptionally heavy burden for a first time coach (49 player turnover without veterans, purging contracts, and staying within the draft), but i'm confident that when we begin our reign - kubiak will be our best chance to succeed with the "kids" that grew up under him.

Are you kidding me?

"The grass is greener?" No one is using that argument. We are discussing FACTS. A lot of people who want a new coach are arguing FACTS. Those who want him to stay are arguing emotions.

Hell, read your responses in this post. You talk in platitutes about how we're "one player away" and "one lucky break" away.

That's bullshit talk. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Do you not understand what a blown opportunity this season has been? We had the NFC WEST, for petes sake. My 10 year old nephew could beat them.

Guess who we have next year? The NFC EAST. Know what that means? Dallas, NY Giants, Philly, etc. REAL teams. Next year is going to be 10 times harder than this year.

 

[dc_txtech]

15-pages long, and we've now established that if one were to go on
emprical data alone, there's little to no justification to keeping Kubiak
here. Knowing this, the "Pro-Keep-Kubiakers" have no data to substantiate
their reasoning, so they respond by directly attacking the "Anti-Keep-Kubiakers."

In summary:

Kubiak should go because: "We want to make the playoffs. The team doesn't
win games when the whole world expects them to. The team blows big games,
no matter the size of the lead. They don't win in the division, etc."

Kubiak should stay because: "I don't have any data to back my beliefs, so
I'm just gonna try to discredit you."


This is the same tactic the FBI used on Martin Luther King and Malcolm X.
Religions use the same tactic as well (My God is better than your God.) I'm
very aware of it. Either way, free thinkers are always in search of the
truth no matter the source. I'll see you guys in four weeks. I'm sure
the discussion will be alive and kickin'.

You have got to be kidding me? Scoot wrote a very good post a couple of pages back.

instant offense - i find it extremely difficult to believe many coaches could come in and get as much or more from our players without spending so much that it'd strangle other areas. even with kubiak we need 2 interior offensive linemen, a runningback (gerhart?), an upgrade at starting receiver (shipley?), and without kubiak coaching up orlovsky the next couple of years we'd need to sign or draft another quarterback. is another coach going to get a top 5 offense from this group even if everybody's healthy?

improvement - in every area but the one that matters (wins). talent, defense, and staff have improved each season. the defense has taken a huge step in several areas. many are calling for gibbs to call it quits, and we've got matthews ready to take over. bush in his first year has worked well, and lil shanahan is only going to improve.

youth - every team in the nfl talks about building through the draft, and kubiak's done exactly that. it may get him fired, but texans fans should be greatful our baseline mirrors the steelers or patriots of a decade (or more) ago as opposed to throwing money at possibilities like the redskins. if we're going to build exclusively through the draft and young free agents, we WILL be inconsistant. it beats the heck out of putting all of our eggs in sharper and glenn and coleman and payne and wade and (and and and) hoping to win with a very small window of opportunity.

building from the inside out - sure not all has worked as intended but it isnt for a lack of effort. kubiak's drafted spencer, winston, brown, caldwell, mario, okoye, and barwin as first day picks (missing two seconds in the last 3 seasons). we've also gone after hopeful or focused pieces such as studdard, okam, weaver, smith, robinson, cody, and an excess of walk-ons - many currently playing key roles. by conventional wisdom, kubiak's doing it exactly right and will see those fruits in the near future.

potential - similar to the draft, this is an area that could be the end of kubiak's tenure. many, if not most, of our draft picks and signings are based on what they'll do 2 to 5 years down the road. so many of our players, even the perceived busts, still have so much time to boom before they even mature. altering that progression could be detrimental and possibly disastrous when staying the course with coaches who know these guys is more likely to get better results.

developement - not perfect, but if we're going to expect the youngest starting lineup in the nfl to be in the playoffs, we cant ignore how they got to that position. some progress, some regress, some are going through both (as with all teams), but under kubiak we've seen a lot more of the former. mario, demeco, slaton, schaub, daniels, cushing, and pollard have all had probowl calibre seasons under kubiak with schaub being the old man at 28. with our offensive success, brown will also be mentioned before long.

competitiveness - outside of the jets, there hasnt been a game this season that we werent there to win. we didnt go in unprepared or unmotivated (see steelers), and whether up against indy or down against arizona the texans have given what they have. as with every cliche in football, we've been one break away from having secured a playoff spot at this point. we're SO dang close SO dang often - a couple more players can push us over that hill, a new coaching staff could go either direction.

consistancy - bob mcnair's great flaw. we need time to gel. we need to execute. UGH! yeah i think i'm bleeding out of the ears just writing that but it doesnt take away their truths. our offensive line stayed healthy last season and propelled slaton to what should've been a probowl birth, the runaway #1 receiver in the league, and a top 5 offense. that kind of cohesiveness, especially in a growing organization that is on a forward path (unlike capers' aging and declining path), will continue to build upon itsself. studdard and white and caldwell and barwin and pollard and cushing and quinn and jacoby are getting their first real reps this season - their familiarity next season whether as backups or starters will greatly improve our abilities along with kubiak and his staff's ability to adjust with them.

That was followed up with this comment.

Sorry, but I have to toss a cup of bullshit juice all over your long post.

You use a lot of words that this regime is used to using - potential, youth, etc - but you forgot about one thing: Wins.

Sorry, but four years is enough time.

Next.

Basically anybody who doesn't see things your way is wrong Dex. That's what I'm getting out of your posts, and I realize that wasn't you that I quoted. The truth of the matter is none of us know whether Kubiak will return or whether he will be successful. Nobody has a crystal ball, we could win the Super Bowl with or without Kubiak next year or we could go 2-14 with or without Kubiak next year. Nobody is right or wrong in this thread.

 

[hradhak]

I am still on the fence about getting rid of Kubiak, I go back and forth about 20 times per day. There are things that irritate me about Kubiak's coaching style. He has shown that he doesn't know how to manage the clock and he has had trouble preparing his team for games. At the same time, he has taken a team with almost no talent and made them respectable He has made some huge advancements with the offense. When the offense looks good they look like the Colts, but at the same time they look so bad sometimes that they resemble the 2-14 Texans of a few years ago. I don't know that getting rid of him is going to fix all of the problems that we have. But I think in the prior 3 years we have won as many games as we could with the team we fielded. This year I think he has left some games on the table, but that is part of his growth as well as our players. I think he warrants one more year just to see if this year was an aberration.

 

[houstonspartan]

You have got to be kidding me? Scoot wrote a very good post a couple of pages back.



That was followed up with this comment.



Basically anybody who doesn't see things your way is wrong Dex. That's what I'm getting out of your posts, and I realize that wasn't you that I quoted. The truth of the matter is none of us know whether Kubiak will return or whether he will be successful. Nobody has a crystal ball, we could win the Super Bowl with or without Kubiak next year or we could go 2-14 with or without Kubiak next year. Nobody is right or wrong in this thread.

Uh, Scooters email was filled with generalizations. Those of us who want Kubiak gone have been arguing in facts. No, I didn't put any hard numbers in my response, because I assumed everyone knew them already.

But, a refresher course: 5-7. 1-5 against the division this year. 5-16 (or something like that) against the division over four years. He's won, what, two coaches challenges in the last four years?

The clock management. The halfback pass. Keeping Chris Brown as the runner.

Do you not get it?

 

[Texecutioner]

On offense, I'm hopeful that Alex Gibbs will be gone and the running game will be addressed with more open minds. They need to incorporate some counter-action in their run game, as well as draw plays, etc.. I'm also hopeful that they will work to improve the interior OL depth and RB situation.

Defensively, other than some upgrades at DT and maybe CB, as well as safety depth, I think an off-season for all those young guys will allow Frank Bush to incorporate a little more disguise in the coverages and blitzes. Basicly, though, just continuing to build on this season.

I think this team will be able to close games out much better if it gets a good running game. I don't think Kubiak has the mindset to blow people away with a pass-dominate offense. So, if this team is going to make real noise next season, the running game has gotta be fixed!

This up here ^^^^ is no different than the types of stuff that you were so arrogantly trying to tell me before "last season" when I didn't agree that Rick Smith needed an extension so soon after doing nothing really. I got killed in here for being against that, and you acted like I was a fool for not believing in Kubes or Smith. Here is a small piece where you acted as if the Texans were going to easily win 10 games before last season under Kubes.


Dale Murphy wrote:
What holes? Every hole on this team has been significantly addressed. Now, does that mean that Okam, CThompson, Bentley are going to collectively solve our poor run defense? NO... Is it very possible that those guys will? YES.

The same thing can be said at RB, CB, S, OT, OL in general, and DE.

What holes do you know about that will keep this team from winning ten games?

1. You know that CBrown, AGreen, CTaylor, Slaton will fail to improve the running game behind Alex Gibbs?

2. You know that Gibbs will be unable to improve the general OL play and that Duane Brown will not be a good LT?

3. You know that Schaub won't improve on a very promising first season starting at QB and/or he'll be unable to stay healthy?

4. You know that the addition of Okam and Colvin, along with the growth of players like Okoye, Mario, Bullman won't be enough to create a pass rush or stop the run?

5. You know that Zac Diles, Thompson, Bentley, Adibi won't improve the LB play?

6. You know that Dunta won't come back healthy. And, if he does, you know Reeves will be a bust, Molden will be a bust, Bennett won't improve, and nobody else will step up at CB?

7. You know that having Demps at safety for a full season won't matter, and that Brandon Harrison, Brandon Mitchell, D. Barber, G.Earl- among others are all going to fail to improve the safety position?


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51136&page=4

 

[dalemurphy]

15-pages long, and we've now established that if one were to go on
emprical data alone, there's little to no justification to keeping Kubiak
here. Knowing this, the "Pro-Keep-Kubiakers" have no data to substantiate
their reasoning, so they respond by directly attacking the "Anti-Keep-Kubiakers."

.

Once again, read Texan Chick's article from football outsiders about "DVOA", if you are interested in empirical data. There has been dramatic improvement based on that measurement.

 

[dalemurphy]

This up here ^^^^ is no different than the types of stuff that you were so arrogantly trying to tell me before "last season" when I didn't agree that Rick Smith needed an extension so soon after doing nothing really. I got killed in here for being against that, and you acted like I was a fool for not believing in Kubes or Smith. Here is a small piece where you acted as if the Texans were going to easily win 10 games before last season under Kubes.


Dale Murphy wrote:
What holes? Every hole on this team has been significantly addressed. Now, does that mean that Okam, CThompson, Bentley are going to collectively solve our poor run defense? NO... Is it very possible that those guys will? YES.

The same thing can be said at RB, CB, S, OT, OL in general, and DE.

What holes do you know about that will keep this team from winning ten games?

1. You know that CBrown, AGreen, CTaylor, Slaton will fail to improve the running game behind Alex Gibbs?

2. You know that Gibbs will be unable to improve the general OL play and that Duane Brown will not be a good LT?

3. You know that Schaub won't improve on a very promising first season starting at QB and/or he'll be unable to stay healthy?

4. You know that the addition of Okam and Colvin, along with the growth of players like Okoye, Mario, Bullman won't be enough to create a pass rush or stop the run?

5. You know that Zac Diles, Thompson, Bentley, Adibi won't improve the LB play?

6. You know that Dunta won't come back healthy. And, if he does, you know Reeves will be a bust, Molden will be a bust, Bennett won't improve, and nobody else will step up at CB?

7. You know that having Demps at safety for a full season won't matter, and that Brandon Harrison, Brandon Mitchell, D. Barber, G.Earl- among others are all going to fail to improve the safety position?


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51136&page=4

I'm not sure what your point is... I was arguing that your pessimism after the '07 season was unwarranted. I think the team has taken a lot of steps forward and improved a great deal.

I'm not sure how it's arrogant to make the argument that none of us know how things are going to turn out. I guess that's what you think of someone who disagrees with you. They must be arrogant to not accept your assertions without question.

 

[Texecutioner]

I'm not sure what your point is... I was arguing that your pessimism after the '07 season was unwarranted. I think the team has taken a lot of steps forward and improved a great deal.

I'm not sure how it's arrogant to make the argument that none of us know how things are going to turn out. I guess that's what you think of someone who disagrees with you. They must be arrogant to not accept your assertions without question.

No, the arrogance came from a few of the insults you flung at me at the time for not thinking that it was a good decision to extend Smith at the time and not thinking that Kubiak was a great coach after two seasons of him going 6-10 and 8-8. I wasn't all giddy about the team's chances of a winning season last year before the season started and you just couldn't understand why or how anyone could question the almighty Kubiak. Hell you didn't even think we had holes on the team before the 08 season last year. If you weren't so busy trying to accuse everyone of being a pessimistic fan all the time simply because they're making their own realistic evaluations, then maybe your difference of opinion wouldn't come off that way. Some people don't just have confidence in a guy and drink the Kool Aid right away just because people have been hired by Bob Mcnair. A lot of us have seen flaws in Kubiak since day one, and then some others had confidence and eventually grew tired of the inefficiencies after while, and then some people won't ever let go of their faith in Kubiak no matter what happens with this team.

People aren't doom and gloomers and pessimists just because they don't feel optimism just to feel it. You've been shoving Kubes down our throats as this great coach pretty hard for some time now, and most of your predictions regarding him have not been correct. At some point it's time to let go.

 

[barrett]

I'm not sure how 4 years equates to "instant gratification", but I do understand that 4 years is a long time period in the NFL. The average NFL career is less than 4 years. Most NFL player contracts are 4 years or less. A team has to be built in less than 4 years, or the players you are building around will be gone. That's just the reality that is the NFL. Great organizations realize this and constantly reload their talent. While winning.

Regarding the "improvement every year", well I don't see it. It is not indicated by the standings. Or the games. Whether a loss is by 30 or 3, it's a loss. I was much more impressed by the Texans 2007 8-8 record than anything Kubiak's teams have produced since. In 2007, the Texans battled major injuries to the QB and their All Pro WR, yet still played to a .500 record. Since then, the Texans have found ways to lose games versus good teams. No, they haven't been blown out as much as they were in the past. Yes, they seem very close to beating these teams. It's just that some of us feel the missing ingredient isn't a couple of players. It's the man coaching these players.

Found a minor crack in the foundation of your argument. You apparently failed to watch the next two seasons, severely distorting your view of the teams progress.

 

[Scooter]

Are you kidding me?

"The grass is greener?" No one is using that argument. We are discussing FACTS. A lot of people who want a new coach are arguing FACTS. Those who want him to stay are arguing emotions.

Hell, read your responses in this post. You talk in platitutes about how we're "one player away" and "one lucky break" away.

That's bullshit talk. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Do you not understand what a blown opportunity this season has been? We had the NFC WEST, for petes sake. My 10 year old nephew could beat them.

Guess who we have next year? The NFC EAST. Know what that means? Dallas, NY Giants, Philly, etc. REAL teams. Next year is going to be 10 times harder than this year.

Uh, Scooters email was filled with generalizations. Those of us who want Kubiak gone have been arguing in facts. No, I didn't put any hard numbers in my response, because I assumed everyone knew them already.

But, a refresher course: 5-7. 1-5 against the division this year. 5-16 (or something like that) against the division over four years. He's won, what, two coaches challenges in the last four years?

The clock management. The halfback pass. Keeping Chris Brown as the runner.

Do you not get it?

consecutive posts you've mentioned facts. we havent had the wins needed. now that i've eliminated your one and only fact ... which others am i missing? this was our season because of the schedule ... fact? (we're 1-1 against the NFC West, the loss being a player failure against the 8-4 cardinals). next season will be more difficult because you see the future ... fact? colts have a hb pass for touchdown and interception, we have one for interception so that makes it moronic ... fact? kubiak is the problem ... fact? a new coach (to be named later) is going to be an improvement ... fact?

FACT - we've brought in named coaches in key roles
FACT - we've produced probowl players at nearly every general position in kubiak's tenture
FACT - we've been one of the top ranking offenses in the past 3 seasons
FACT - we've moved up into a mid ranking defense despite giving away our first 3 games, including an extended stretch as the top run defense in the nfl
FACT - we are the youngest starting roster in the nfl
FACT - we're recognized around league publications as a team that is both unlucky and poised to break through at any moment
FACT - we are under the salary cap, with room to make a necessary splash if the opportunity presents

make a point if you're going to. you've neither explained why kubiak isnt likely to get us over the hump, nor offered an alternative. raising the bullshit flag with nothing more than regurgitated win/loss totals that everyone here has seen aint exactly doing much. put a fact out to why we're where we are, and why we should move in a certain direction.

 

[TEXANRED]

No, the arrogance came from a few of the insults you flung at me at the time for not thinking that it was a good decision to extend Smith at the time and not thinking that Kubiak was a great coach after two seasons of him going 6-10 and 8-8. I wasn't all giddy about the team's chances of a winning season last year before the season started and you just couldn't understand why or how anyone could question the almighty Kubiak. Hell you didn't even think we had holes on the team before the 08 season last year. If you weren't so busy trying to accuse everyone of being a pessimistic fan all the time simply because they're making their own realistic evaluations, then maybe your difference of opinion wouldn't come off that way. Some people don't just have confidence in a guy and drink the Kool Aid right away just because people have been hired by Bob Mcnair. A lot of us have seen flaws in Kubiak since day one, and then some others had confidence and eventually grew tired of the inefficiencies after while, and then some people won't ever let go of their faith in Kubiak no matter what happens with this team.

People aren't doom and gloomers and pessimists just because they don't feel optimism just to feel it. You've been shoving Kubes down our throats as this great coach pretty hard for some time now, and most of your predictions regarding him have not been correct. At some point it's time to let go.

I haven't read your post. Just wanted to give you props on the banner.

Its not going to happen, but damn nice banner.

 

[Texecutioner]

I haven't read your post. Just wanted to give you props on the banner.

Its not going to happen, but damn nice banner.

Thanks, but I can't fully accept the props on it. Those props go to Brakos. He made it, and I told him that I liked it, and he was ever nice enough to resize it for me so I could sport it here at TT.

 

[mussop]

win in spite of his decisions? ask yourself honestly, where would we be at this point with the texans without kubiak's decisions? if you'll recall, kubiak spent his first 2 seasons eliminating those badass contracts, another removing sherman's additions (which i admit had me fooled), and building through the draft ... and as the offensive guru projected to be has made us a top tier offense without any wasted motions. that speaks to me of good decisions. a half-back pass is just plain dumb (but the chargers and colts have done it successfully), starting brown when slaton's fumbling is a no-win situation, and many more are poor decisions - but these are not big picture and not what a coach's tenure can be based on.

kubiak should ...

coach the offense ... top 10 the last three seasons
acquire talent ... being frustrated by our results speaks for itsself (or we could be celebrating our superbowl 2nd win of the season against the steelers)
surround himself with good coaches ... gibbs, rhodes, matthews, shanahan, bush, and marciano (and sherman who should actually take a year off of kubiak's tenure)
prepare and motivate ... we're 1 play or kick per game away from 10 wins to this point, maybe 11.
manage the roster ... after a 2 year purge we have the youngest and one of the most feared starting lineups in football without having to spend to do so (our potentially bad contracts are orlovsky and smith ... cap hell!)
develope talent ... mario, demeco, cushing, brown, slaton, winston, daniels, schaub, quinn, spencer, adibi, diles (i can keep going if you want).

kubiak's decisions, in my opinion, are in line with what will make us successful in the long term - and if replaced the next head coach will have struck a gold mine. why would cowher be attracted to the texans as opposed to the more popular raiders or home town panthers or savior of the lions or every other opportunity? we are attractive because of the perception that kubiak's done everything to get us here, but another coach (even proven winners) will be able to get more out of a young team without on-field leadership. why should another coach get to finish what kubiak's started? and make no mistake, we've just started ... i've said it over and over ... when this houston texans team hits their prime (when our starting lineup is atleast 27 years old) we'll be a juggernaut.

This post is so bad Im not sure where to begin. I'll start with
win in spite of his decisions? ask yourself honestly, where would we be at this point with the texans without kubiak's decisions?

Honestly? We woud be alot better off. This thread is pepperd with facts showing the plethera of mistakes Kubiak has made and continues to make over and over for the las 4 years.

if you'll recall, kubiak spent his first 2 seasons eliminating those badass contracts, another removing sherman's additions (which i admit had me fooled), and building through the draft ...
So know you are going to give him credit for Rick
Smiths job?

and as the offensive guru projected to be has made us a top tier offense without any wasted motions. that speaks to me of good decisions.

The run and shoot was top 5 every year, did it get them anywhere?

a half-back pass is just plain dumb (but the chargers and colts have done it successfully), starting brown when slaton's fumbling is a no-win situation, and many more are poor decisions - but these are not big picture and not what a coach's tenure can be based on.

Here you admit a few of the many poor coaching decisions yet you say that isnt what a coaches tenure is based on? Actually it is combined with wins and losses.

kubiak should ...

coach the offense ... top 10 the last three seasons

Im so sick of seeing this worthlesss stat. Moving the ball between the 20's doesnt mean **** if you dont get points to go along with it. In 2007 we finished 12th in scoring offense with 379 points, in 2008 17th place scoring 366 points, in 2009 so far we are 14th scoring 277points. And where is your great offense when its really needed most? It sure isnt scoring and winning close games. In scoring we have been average just like Kubiaks coaching abilities and our Win Loss record.

acquire talent ... being frustrated by our results speaks for itsself (or we could be celebrating our superbowl 2nd win of the season against the steelers)

I dont even comprehen this jiberish.

surround himself with good coaches ... gibbs, rhodes, matthews, shanahan, bush, and marciano (and sherman who should actually take a year off of kubiak's tenure)

Matthews is a gofer and hasnt proved anything to be considered a good coach. Marciano's special teams are one of the highest penalized teams in the NFL, Gibbs coaches a scheme full time that only wortks in the open feild and obviously cant adjust to any other style, Rhodes, do I really need to say anything regarding the coaching of our secondary? I dont really understand teh Sherman coment.

prepare and motivate ...

Prepare? Are you kidding? Motivate? Again are you kidding?

we're 1 play or kick per game away from 10 wins to this point, maybe 11.

This is the most over used BS by the pro Kubiak groupies. Lets recap

wk 1 we get our asses kicked bad by a rookie HC and QB.
wk 2 we squeek out a victory, Collins dropped the ball at the end.
wk 3 we have a chance to TIE at the end NOT WIN, TIE. Even if Brown doesnt fumble does he get in? Doubtfull.
wk 4 we play Oakland big win yippe.
wk 5 the tale of two halfs. we play great in the first half and Kubiaks poor game adjustments, motivational skills and all around coaching skills are exposed in the second half as we piss away the good play and loose.
wk 6 the only complete game we play all year. Just a few more of these type games and we arent having this disscussion.
wk 7 we sqweek out a victory but our coaching adjustments are horrible as a second string looser QB almost beats us running the same play for a TD, 3 times in the second half. Same play 3 X for TD!
wk 8 we beat a really bad Buffalo team and look ok doing it.
wk 9 we have a chance to TIE the game(not win tie) but miss a long feild goal following a very questionable coaching call the play before.
wk 10 bye week an extra wk for Kubiak to show his great preperational and motivational skills for an upcoming MNF game against our biggest rival and divisional foe.
wk 11 Kubiaks showcase game, we have a chance to TIE (not win tie) the game with a long 49 yard FG but it sails wide left.
wk 12 we jump out to a 17 point lead and despite Kubiaks great coaching abilities we fall apart and loose the game going away.
wk 13 we have no chance of even trying to score for a win because we cant stop the obvious run.

So where are these imaginary 10 or 11 wins you people keep aluding too? PATHETIC!

manage the roster ... after a 2 year purge we have the youngest and one of the most feared starting lineups in football without having to spend to do so (our potentially bad contracts are orlovsky and smith ... cap hell!)

Once again giving Kubiak credit for Smiths job.

develope talent ... mario, demeco, cushing, brown, slaton, winston, daniels, schaub, quinn, spencer, adibi, diles (i can keep going if you want).

Please do! Please enliighten us how Kubiak has personnally developed the physical freak Mario Williams into nothing more than a speed rusher that runs himself out of the play 90% ofthe time. Please explain how he turned Slaton into fumbling machine or how he developed Cushing or what hes done to make Adibis of Spencers career move along?

kubiak's decisions, in my opinion, are in line with what will make us successful in the long term

SAD!

- and if replaced the next head coach will have struck a gold mine.

There is plenty to be fixed here.

why would cowher be attracted to the texans as opposed to the more popular raiders or home town panthers or savior of the lions or every other opportunity?

Who says he is? Would you want to work for Al Davis? This is really the best you can come up with?

we are attractive because of the perception that kubiak's done everything to get us here,

WHAT?????? phhsss!

but another coach (even proven winners) will be able to get more out of a young team without on-field leadership.

This I have no doubt of.

why should another coach get to finish what kubiak's started?

Because Kubiak hasnt learned from his mistakes over the last 4 years and keeps repeating them.

and make no mistake, we've just started ... i've said it over and over ... when this houston texans team hits their prime (when our starting lineup is atleast 27 years old) we'll be a juggernaut.

ABSOLUTELY!!!! If we get a real HC in here.

 

[Scooter]

did you actually dispute anything in there?

yes they would
the run and shoot put up stats
sure we have a top tier offense, and my numbers over 3 seasons show us in the top half in points scored
our wins dont count, our losses could TIE NOT WIN.
credit goes to smith, even before he's there
coaches are bad - like an assistant with head coach experience, a guy who will retire as the best ever at the position, and a hall of famer preparing to teach the positions he played
the mentioned players despite probowl years are the suck and late round picks as quality players are more suck
pssssh, sad, what, huh, honestly?, al davis ...

did i miss anything?

 

[mussop]

did you actually dispute anything in there?

yes they would
the run and shoot put up stats
sure we have a top tier offense, and my numbers over 3 seasons show us in the top half in points scored
our wins dont count, our losses could TIE NOT WIN.
credit goes to smith, even before he's there
coaches are bad - like an assistant with head coach experience, a guy who will retire as the best ever at the position, and a hall of famer preparing to teach the positions he played
the mentioned players despite probowl years are the suck and late round picks as quality players are more suck
pssssh, sad, what, huh, honestly?, al davis ...

did i miss anything?

Wow and I thought your last post was bad.
Here let me make it easier for you. Lets start with-

Why are you giving Kubiak credit for Smiths job?

Do you admit Kubiak has made lots of bad personell, in-game and game management decisions?

If so how does that equate to good coaching?

What good is a top 10 YPG offense if it cnt score when the game is on the line?

Please give examples of Kubiak great motivational and preperation skills you speek of.

Please explain how we're 1 play or kick per game away from 10 wins to this point, maybe 11.

Please enliighten us how Kubiak has personnally developed the physical freak Mario Williams into nothing more than a speed rusher that runs himself out of the play 90% ofthe time. Please explain how he turned Slaton into fumbling machine or how he developed Cushing or what hes done to make Adibis or Spencers career move along?

Answer these questions and I will gladly line you out as to why Kubiak is a Bush Leauge coach who is holding this team back. I feel like the cat here

 

[Mr. White]

Once again, read Texan Chick's article from football outsiders about "DVOA", if you are interested in empirical data. There has been dramatic improvement based on that measurement.

That DVOA stat seems like a reach.

It's significance is lost on me.

 

[Runner]

Once again, read Texan Chick's article from football outsiders about "DVOA", if you are interested in empirical data. There has been dramatic improvement based on that measurement.

1) DVOA are just statistics, so they should be looked at like any other stat. Some are good indicators; some are not. None tell the whole story, and I'm sure they aren't the only thing that matters. However, I admit they show improvement, but I'm not sure how important that is. I am sure it isn't the most important thing in measuring a football team's success.

2) The Texans DVOA stats were bad last year, yet still we heard the same type of talk about dramatic improvement after that season. So were they misleading last year or this year? I guess I shouldn't expect consistency from you, since you can feign shock that there are recurring problems and ignore the long list of recurring problems you posted. I haven't got a satisfactory answer for that yet.

3) If the players played so much better (as shown by the DVOA), what held them back from more victories?

=================

That DVOA article came out just in time to give people something to latch on to, that's for sure. How many DVOAs do we need to get in the playoffs?

 

[Runner]

hilarious. potd Runner

The coveted Post of the Day! Thanks Vinny, I'm very excited. I think I had one before, but that was two or three years ago.

I changed my avatar to mark the occasion.

 

[houstonspartan]

consecutive posts you've mentioned facts. we havent had the wins needed. now that i've eliminated your one and only fact ... which others am i missing? this was our season because of the schedule ... fact? (we're 1-1 against the NFC West, the loss being a player failure against the 8-4 cardinals). next season will be more difficult because you see the future ... fact? colts have a hb pass for touchdown and interception, we have one for interception so that makes it moronic ... fact? kubiak is the problem ... fact? a new coach (to be named later) is going to be an improvement ... fact?

FACT - we've brought in named coaches in key roles
FACT - we've produced probowl players at nearly every general position in kubiak's tenture
FACT - we've been one of the top ranking offenses in the past 3 seasons
FACT - we've moved up into a mid ranking defense despite giving away our first 3 games, including an extended stretch as the top run defense in the nfl
FACT - we are the youngest starting roster in the nfl
FACT - we're recognized around league publications as a team that is both unlucky and poised to break through at any moment
FACT - we are under the salary cap, with room to make a necessary splash if the opportunity presents

make a point if you're going to. you've neither explained why kubiak isnt likely to get us over the hump, nor offered an alternative. raising the bullshit flag with nothing more than regurgitated win/loss totals that everyone here has seen aint exactly doing much. put a fact out to why we're where we are, and why we should move in a certain direction.

You know what, this post was so dumb I'm going to step out of this conversation. You don't think a coach should be judged by wins and losses. Ok, that's all I need to know, Mr. Scooter.

 

[dalemurphy]

1) DVOA are just statistics, so they should be looked at like any other stat. Some are good indicators; some are not. None tell the whole story, and I'm sure they aren't the only thing that matters. However, I admit they show improvement, but I'm not sure how important that is. I am sure it isn't the most important thing in measuring a football team's success.

2) The Texans DVOA stats were bad last year, yet still we heard the same type of talk about dramatic improvement after that season. So were they misleading last year or this year? I guess I shouldn't expect consistency from you, since you can feign shock that there are recurring problems and ignore the long list of recurring problems you posted. I haven't got a satisfactory answer for that yet.

3) If the players played so much better (as shown by the DVOA), what held them back from more victories?

=================

That DVOA article came out just in time to give people something to latch on to, that's for sure. How many DVOAs do we need to get in the playoffs?

Bad kicking, bad referee calls, poor coaching decisions, bad luck.

I'm not sure why anything I've argued is even in dispute. The thread asked for reasons Kubiak should stay. I submitted a few. I've repeatedly argued that I understand the concerns people have with him.... I share some of them. I've also said that I would agree with his removal if a plan with a head coach and GM was in place and was better than what we have... or, likely better. I experienced the same disappointment and frustration that the rest of you did and for about 28 hours I was in the "Fire Kubiak Camp"... After I became emotionally stable again, I thought about it and reconsidered. Somehow that is upsetting to people or at least is fodder to discredit my thoughts on the subject. I'm not sure I get that.

 

[Lucky]

I've also said that I would agree with his removal if a plan with a head coach and GM was in place and was better than what we have... or, likely better.

I don't get this concern. It's not as if there aren't qualified coaching candidates available every year. This year's field may be the best in years. And how difficult is it to replace a head coach who has never had a winning season?

I would take the following AFC head coaches over Kubiak in a heartbeat:
Bill Belichick
Jeff Fisher
Mike Tomlin
John Harbaugh
Tony Sparano
Josh McDaniels
Jim Caldwell
Rex Ryan
Jack Del Rio (Yes, even JDR)

Coaches that I consider a wash with Kubiak:
Todd Haley
Norv Turner
Marvin Lewis

Coaches I consider Kubiak superior to:
Tom Cable
Eric Mangini
Whomever is coaching the Bills

As far as a plan is concerned, I'm sure the Texans process would be like any other team searching for a new coach. Identify the candidates. Interview the candidates. Select the best coach for your team. It's not rocket science and it's done every year. Nothing to fear. The only thing we have to fear is another season of mediocrity under Kubiak.