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Kubiak concerned about DD "since he got to Houston"

DD can't block. DD doesn't have breakaway speed. DD put up the good numbers because he got the ball so damn much cause the coaches were too damn braindead to figure anything else out.

With his knee I wish they would just IR him, start early, get him 100% for next year. Face it the issues he has now are attributed toward the end of last year having him sit during the week, and be a gametime decision. If they just IR'ed him he would prolly be in better shape now.
 
this is why we need to hope that kubiak can work his magic with chris taylor who seems to be the better of all the rookie RB's in the group we had
 
Porky said:
They knew all of this, yet they passed up Reggie Bush? Very questionable decision making imo.
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Reggie Bush didn't get the ball in the NCAA championships. Think about that. He's not an every down back.
 
So this is interesting... with DD likely shelved for part, if not most of this season, and assuming we have a better year record wise (5-11, 6-10.... 7-9 seems unlikely without unexepected contribution from Morency, Lundy or Taylor)...

Are we saying the a #1 draft choice in 2007 is going to be used on a RB next year? Have most holes been addressed with this years draft, with perhaps the exception of CB?

With DD's knees chronically a concern, I don't think the next three years can reasonably be shouldered by DD. We could realistically be at the beginning of the last legs of DD's career.

Might we all consider that we end up drafting Bush after all, Michael Bush (Louisville)? A lot of people wanted Bush and Williams, but perhaps we were just rooting for the wrong Bush.
 
I tell you what...I agree with the previous poster about questioning the FO's thought process on the No. 1 pick. They already were well-stocked at DE, and knew that DD's bum knee was a concern. That pretty much discounts the "filling a need" with the draft. Common draft knowledge says, if you don't fill a need, go with the best player available. Mario is a beast, and I'm not hating on him, but Bush was the best player available, and now, they don't have any reliable depth at RB. And I'm seeing a lot of "screw Bush, he didn't play every single down in the Rose Bowl" garbage, and "we've got the Kubiak system" stuff, which is ludicrous.

Nobody can argue that Bush is freaking talented. He might be more physically gifted than any other RB in the league, and he is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball. It makes zero sense to refuse a guy of his caliber and potential, simply because of "the system". Why couldn't he make "the system" that much more effective?

Now, I'm reading stuff on here about taking a RB in the first round NEXT year. Great thinking. Brilliant.

One more thing - for the concerns that Bush wouldn't have signed...He would have signed a contract and been in camp.

Again, I like Mario Williams, but...the Texans' thought process has to be questioned since DD probably won't be a factor this year, and the best the team is left with at RB is Smith, Morency, Lundy, and an undrafted guy. Not exactly an intimidating cast, and without a good running game, David Carr may well be on his backside a lot - system or no system.
 
joetexan said:
1) I tell you what...I agree with the previous poster about questioning the FO's thought process on the No. 1 pick. They already were well-stocked at DE, and knew that DD's bum knee was a concern. That pretty much discounts the "filling a need" with the draft.

2) Nobody can argue that Bush is freaking talented. He might be more physically gifted than any other RB in the league, and he is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball. It makes zero sense to refuse a guy of his caliber and potential, simply because of "the system". Why couldn't he make "the system" that much more effective?

3) Now, I'm reading stuff on here about taking a RB in the first round NEXT year. Great thinking. Brilliant.
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1) Maybe even without DD they did not evaluate RB as a need position. And yes, we could debate that assessment.

2) Agreed, Reggie is a rare talent. There were a lot of good players at the top of the draft. It isn't a zero sum game to me. Our defensive line looks incredibly improved. So far.

3) Are you reading this stuff on the message board, or quotes from the front office/coaches? Those are certainly two different things.
 
Runner, in response to your message:

1) Not a wise move to put all your RB faith into an aging vet, a second-year player who hasn't performed well, a rookie, and an undrafted rookie. (I'm removing DD from the equation because it seems his health will prevent him from being effective.) And they've said they need another veteran RB. Bennett was the target, until the Chiefs got him. Right now I'd argue that the Texans have the most questionable/concerning running back situation in the entire league.

2) Good players don't equal rare talent. There have been a lot of RBs come and go over the last several years, and none have the electric potential that Bush has. I agree, the DL looks very improved. And again, I like Mario and think he's a beast. But I'd argue that the DL looked better before the draft too, with the addition of Weaver (who was signed to play the same spot Williams played in college). And given (1) and (2), it sure seems like Bush would have filled a greater need than Williams.

3) Admittedly, this comes from these boards. Of course, the coaches/FO haven't noted next year's draft yet. BUT - if they have a bumpy season because of a total lack of a running game, and they do take a RB in the first round in '07, then it sure will seem like they blew it in '06.

We can agree to disagree, but...I was on board with the Texans taking Williams, so long as DD was the horse at RB, as was part of the justification the team used to sell the pick to the fans. Now, take DD out of the equation, and what do you have? A really thin RB group, and an overstocked DL featuring Williams. And if they knew this all along - I just don't get their logic at all.
 
joetexan said:
Runner, in response to your message:

1) Not a wise move to put all your RB faith into an aging vet, a second-year player who hasn't performed well, a rookie, and an undrafted rookie. (I'm removing DD from the equation because it seems his health will prevent him from being effective.) And they've said they need another veteran RB. Bennett was the target, until the Chiefs got him. Right now I'd argue that the Texans have the most questionable/concerning running back situation in the entire league.

2) Good players don't equal rare talent. There have been a lot of RBs come and go over the last several years, and none have the electric potential that Bush has. I agree, the DL looks very improved. And again, I like Mario and think he's a beast. But I'd argue that the DL looked better before the draft too, with the addition of Weaver (who was signed to play the same spot Williams played in college). And given (1) and (2), it sure seems like Bush would have filled a greater need than Williams.

3) Admittedly, this comes from these boards. Of course, the coaches/FO haven't noted next year's draft yet. BUT - if they have a bumpy season because of a total lack of a running game, and they do take a RB in the first round in '07, then it sure will seem like they blew it in '06.

We can agree to disagree, but...I was on board with the Texans taking Williams, so long as DD was the horse at RB, as was part of the justification the team used to sell the pick to the fans. Now, take DD out of the equation, and what do you have? A really thin RB group, and an overstocked DL featuring Williams. And if they knew this all along - I just don't get their logic at all.
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#3 your assumption is debatable depending on who that 2007 running back would be?
 
joe--not that this will change your mind, but one additional consideration is cap dynamics. Mario is paid in line with his potential--i.e. with the elite DE's in the league. Bush (contrary to those who said he would get RB money rather than money based on his slot) has a contract which averages about $9 mil per year or which is 50% more than the franchise tag number of $6 mil as the average of the top 5 paid RB's in the league. Maybe Bush will be the best RB in the league but it is hard to imagine him contributing that much more to his team than LT, Larry Johnson, Clinton Portis, etc. To justify paying that much more he has to decidedly outperform those guys.
 
infantrycak said:
Supposedly we offered a 2nd (effectively Ryans) and 4th (Daniels) for Chicago's pick just in front of Carolina. Buffalo then out bid us by offering a 2nd and 3rd to move into the spot and take John McCargo. Carolina then took DeAngelo at their spot.
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I've heard that as well from multiple sources I trust. I sincerely wanted DeAngelo at the time and was crushed that Buffalo denied us that (for McCargo, of all people: IIRC he was projected as a mid-second rounder)

In retrospect though, we may not have done so badly in that one. Ryans looks like he might be special and we have plenty of young talent making noise in camp.
 
jerek said:
I've heard that as well from multiple sources I trust. I sincerely wanted DeAngelo at the time and was crushed that Buffalo denied us that (for McCargo, of all people: IIRC he was projected as a mid-second rounder)

In retrospect though, we may not have done so badly in that one. Ryans looks like he might be special and we have plenty of young talent making noise in camp.
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If that trade had gone down we would be having threads about how thin we are at LB and how they would have been smarter to draft Ryans in the 2nd.
 
:fortune:
NFL DRAFT 2007

The Houston Texans Select....Adrian Peterson RB Univ. of Oklahoma


Here's hoping we won't have to pick that high to take him. :cowboy1:
 
infantrycak said:
If that trade had gone down we would be having threads about how thin we are at LB and how they would have been smarter to draft Ryans in the 2nd.
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so true...I was chatting with Keith during the draft and kept calling Ryans out as teams passed on him...I was one happy camper when we called his name. I'd probably be one of those guys starting one of those wth threads if we traded up for Williams.
 
Koolbrz said:
Forget Chris Brown...he is another player that is consistently hurt...ala DD. If anything they need to go after Thomas Jones. He is tough as nails and has great speed. He would be a very nice addition to our team. Denver is asking about him, i don't see why the Texans would not show an interest in trading for him... I believe that it would be a great move to try and get him.
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Been beating that Thomas Jones drum ever since the problems came up with DD after the draft. I'm right with yah and think he would be a good fit for us and he's young enough to play for a few years and has some good home run speed.
 
U4ikrob said:
Been beating that Thomas Jones drum ever since the problems came up with DD after the draft. I'm right with yah and think he would be a good fit for us and he's young enough to play for a few years and has some good home run speed.
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I never really thought he was going to be available. I'd love to see the Texans grab him. Gawd, that'd be awsome! What are the chances? Anybody know?
 
Vinny said:
so true...I was chatting with Keith during the draft and kept calling Ryans out as teams passed on him...I was one happy camper when we called his name. I'd probably be one of those guys starting one of those wth threads if we traded up for Williams.
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He was a super cool guy at the All Access event, too. I told him to give us something to scream about this year, and he said he'd try to make us hoarse. :thumbup

I'm looking forward to seeing him play, and hopefully dominate at his position.
 
tulexan said:
He's making that much more than the franchise tag? They really need to change the system
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Isn't he the highest paid RB in the league now? Shaun Alexander's deal is close I know, but I thought I heard within the last day or two that Bush had surpassed him.

HOU-TEX said:
I never really thought he was going to be available. I'd love to see the Texans grab him. Gawd, that'd be awsome! What are the chances? Anybody know?
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It sounds like the Bears aren't interested in trading him and would likely require a 1st rounder for him, definitely not worth the price.
 
Seeing as DD has limited cartilage left in his knee and is already sidelined - i'd have some concerns as well...
 
MorKnolle said:
Isn't he the highest paid RB in the league now? Shaun Alexander's deal is close I know, but I thought I heard within the last day or two that Bush had surpassed him.
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I guess he is. Tomlinson has a $60M contract, but only got $20M guaranteed and it is an 8 year contract. Shaun Alexander has a $62M contract, but got $15M guaranteed and is also an 8 year contract. So Bush is getting more guaranteed money than the two best backs in the league plus is getting an equal contract in less years. All before taking a single snap in the NFL. Wow.
 
tulexan said:
So Bush is getting more guaranteed money than the two best backs in the league plus is getting an equal contract in less years. All before taking a single snap in the NFL. Wow.
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Yeah- freakin crazy. I wonder how that makes them feel?
Personally, I hope that he and Young get there asses handed to them during the season.
 
Vinny said:
so true...I was chatting with Keith during the draft and kept calling Ryans out as teams passed on him...I was one happy camper when we called his name. I'd probably be one of those guys starting one of those wth threads if we traded up for Williams.
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That one's all you ... I had no idea who he was. I don't pretend to be a true draftnik who knows everybody from everywhere, but I had no idea who this DeMeco Ryans guy was. Looks like he's shaping up to be a true franchise LB.

I hated the loss of DeAngelo at the time, but watching our running backs in action has since convinced me that we came out way ahead on that one.
 
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