Kubiak Collapses at the half

[AMartin56]

Don't count on it. He's the only one who took the time to respond. Doesn't mean he was the only one who read that and went "wut?"

So...assuming we get past the issue of 'business model' actually meaning our approach to obtaining, developing and compensating talent do you think our current regime's approach is a good one? Meaning is this where you expected to be in year eight of our 'plan'? Are you fine with the fact that we are merely treading water while other teams in the league are making rapid progress in a fraction of the time? Including the Colts in our own division? Should the Texans be 'in it to win it' or is selling jerseys and putting butts in seats the goal?

 

[Double Barrel]

No Big Deal DB. You're are the only one who came up with such a cockamamie interpretation of the post, a real stretch but can certainly be expected from someone who is all cracked up. Apparently you're the only one who didn't understand.

I was going to respond that I was probably the only one that read your post, but obviously I was the only one that spent any time bothering to respond to it.

Typed slowly it means: nobody else thought enough of your post to reply.

That's sort of a backhanded compliment, but the only kind that you will get from me.

He understood the original post perfectly well, just like everyone else. Only DB was also looking pizzing match. Unfortunately he was standing facing a head wind.

Actually, that would be incorrect. If I had understood your post to mean what you did not actually write, then I never would have replied to it.

There are many of your posts...actually most of them to be honest...that I could confront if I wanted a "pizzing match". But your takes on football are not that interesting and I have no desire to debate your Fox News talking points in the NSZ.

I just made the mistake of taking your previously quoted post at face value when I replied. Obviously my mistake to give you any credit at all.

Where I come from (and most of the people I know come from) the phrase business model is interpreted to mean business model. Instead of being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, couldn't you just say "no big deal, I probably could've used a different phrase"?

yeah, that would have been the easy way, but that's not how Ms. Texian likes to operate. She is always right...even when she's wrong.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I've been told that the source of my TIA is entirely controllable but I resist my doctors orders and continue watching Houston Texans football.

I've no one to blame but myself.

With the little information that you've given me to work with, my personal long term prognosis for your: You're screwed!

 

[infantrycak]

So...assuming we get past the issue of 'business model' actually meaning our approach to obtaining, developing and compensating talent do you think our current regime's approach is a good one? Meaning is this where you expected to be in year eight of our 'plan'? Are you fine with the fact that we are merely treading water while other teams in the league are making rapid progress in a fraction of the time? Including the Colts in our own division? Should the Texans be 'in it to win it' or is selling jerseys and putting butts in seats the goal?

Treading water? Damn, you don't even sell revisionism well. Last I checked going from 2 division titles to 2-6 it wasn't treading water, it was falling out of the freaking boat with cement shoes on. Point being, the last 3 seasons are not treading water. There were 2 with a ton of improvement and success and 1 unmitigated disaster.

 

[bckey]

Spot on. Barring a medical prognosis prohibiting him from coaching, firing Kubiak discussions are now moot. If able, he will be back.

Having a medical condition midseason shouldn't save someone's job if they were not cutting it prior to that condition. People need to be able to separate personal life from work. Why would you set your organization back (once again imho) because you feel sorry for someone. If he is able to come back sometime this season that would be fantastic. It would mean he is doing well health wise. I am all for Kubiak finishing out the season. He would have had he not had a stroke.

I don't like Kubiak as a head coach and I have been saying it for years. But I can separate those feelings and say I truly wish Kubiak a speedy recovery and want him to live a long and fruitful life. He really seems like a good man and is well liked. But I can also say I don't want him back coaching the Texans next year.

I've always maintained that Gary is a good offensive coordinator. I think the same thing about Phillips as defensive coordinator. Neither are great head coaches. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Vance87]

If Texian is a woman she posed as a man named Larry House that commented on an article in the Chronicle that got included in an article written by Stephanie Stradley.

Either that or Texian is a man named Larry House.

Also Texian has been suspended from the official MB for some time now.

 

[infantrycak]

Having a medical condition midseason shouldn't save someone's job if they were not cutting it prior to that condition. People need to be able to separate personal life from work. Why would you set your organization back (once again imho) because you feel sorry for someone. If he is able to come back sometime this season that would be fantastic. It would mean he is doing well health wise. I am all for Kubiak finishing out the season. He would have had he not had a stroke.

I was on record prior to Kubiak's illness predicting he would not be fired. I do not believe McNair shares your evaluation of Kubiak. I don't think he views keeping Kubiak as holding the organization back. Instead, I would bet he thinks this team was poised for a serious run and has been let down by the epic meltdown of its starting QB. Now he is seeing flashes of brilliance from Case to possibly replace that glaring hole without much of a hiccup. I was not suggesting he would be retained because he fell ill, I already thought he would be retained. Plain and simple I was lampooning those pretending to care for Kubiak's health. That is by no means all people who want Kubiak fired.

 

[bckey]

For the record I also don't think Kubiak will be fired. McNair marches to a different beat.

 

[Texian]

If Texian is a woman she posed as a man named Larry House that commented on an article in the Chronicle that got included in an article written by Stephanie Stradley.

Either that or Texian is a man named Larry House.

Also Texian has been suspended from the official MB for some time now.

Thank You! One in the same.

 

[Hervoyel]

So...assuming we get past the issue of 'business model' actually meaning our approach to obtaining, developing and compensating talent do you think our current regime's approach is a good one? Meaning is this where you expected to be in year eight of our 'plan'? Are you fine with the fact that we are merely treading water while other teams in the league are making rapid progress in a fraction of the time? Including the Colts in our own division? Should the Texans be 'in it to win it' or is selling jerseys and putting butts in seats the goal?

I think that what I think (or what you, or Texian, or Double Barrel thinks) is beside the point. Whether the Texans approach can be judged to be a good approach is entirely dependent on what Bob McNair thinks. It's his toy and if it's making him happy and doing what he places a priority on it doing then it's a success in his eyes.

My belief (based on observing from the outside with no real information as to the inner working of the Houston Texans) is that Bob places a lot of stock in running an "upstanding" organization. He places a great deal of importance on being good citizens in the community and he places a lot of emphasis on everyone attending Texans games having a fun, safe, and memorable "game day experience". He wants you to be happy when you leave Reliant Stadium regardless of the outcome of the football game. Win or lose he wants you to have had a good time and to come back..... with your wallet... and as much money as you can fit in it.

He's accomplishing all of that. He's involved in a multi-year process that he believes will result in his finding the Houston Texans version of Tom Landry and that will turn his franchise in the consistent winner that he wants in the model made famous by the Rooney's in Pittsburgh. He's about doing things "the right way" and having infinite patience while slow and steady wins the race.

Bob is in business and he makes business decisions. He believes in what he's doing and how he's doing it.

Now obviously he'd prefer owning a winner to owning a door mat but ultimately I think he's more concerned with being profitable and being seen as a good example of an NFL franchise than anything else. His consistency and his "process" will result in the titles. I think that's what he genuinely believes.

I wasn't a fan of the Kubiak hiring and my posts reflect that. Dig away and you'll see that I wanted an established winning coach and not someone doing this for the first time in their career. I was done with the Kubiak regime after his second 8-8. I felt like I'd seen enough and the years since then have born out what I felt would happen. The one thing I didn't see was McNair forging an alliance with Bum Phillips and hiring Bum's son, then basically giving him that half of the authority. I think that competent defense (arriving a few years too late to take advantage of the best years of some of our offensive players careers) accounts for the two division titles and the 10-6, 12-4 records. Without those I would have expected more 6-10 to 9-7 stumbling around from Gary and whatever dip**** he had hired to coach his defense.

In my view the Texans should be in it to win it but I haven't really expected that in a long, long time. I don't think we have any chance at all of getting there with Gary Kubiak and we won't get there with Wade Phillips who has placed Gary's job in an eternal state of "I got next". I like Wade and I loved Bum but Bum got that job for Wade and I don't want Wade to be my teams head coach.

I am certain however that unless Gary survives until Wade is ready to retire Wade is next up and it will be just as bad as what we've endured under Kubiak. These are not head coaches. They're nice guys and great coordinators but there's no leader here. Never has been. The Kubiak regime isn't about leadership. It's about being a "Pro" and doing things the right way and everyone pulling together to make sure we've all got each others backs. Much like McNair I think Gary just looks at those things and thinks that if he hangs in there they alone will lead to the desired result.

I really don't think McNair can tell the difference between what Kubiak gives him and what he believes will one day get him a ring as I spelled out in my second and third paragraph. I think they look close enough to one another that he thinks Gary's method is exactly like his process.

I think as fans we're ****ed unless one of these guys blindly stumbles upon the key to winning by accident.

 

[AMartin56]

I think that what I think (or what you, or Texian, or Double Barrel thinks) is beside the point. Whether the Texans approach can be judged to be a good approach is entirely dependent on what Bob McNair thinks. It's his toy and if it's making him happy and doing what he places a priority on it doing then it's a success in his eyes.

...

I think as fans we're ****ed unless one of these guys blindly stumbles upon the key to winning by accident.

I didn't include the whole quote due to length but I think that whole post is an accurate summary of our current situation.

 

[dalemurphy]

I think that what I think (or what you, or Texian, or Double Barrel thinks) is beside the point. Whether the Texans approach can be judged to be a good approach is entirely dependent on what Bob McNair thinks. It's his toy and if it's making him happy and doing what he places a priority on it doing then it's a success in his eyes.

My belief (based on observing from the outside with no real information as to the inner working of the Houston Texans) is that Bob places a lot of stock in running an "upstanding" organization. He places a great deal of importance on being good citizens in the community and he places a lot of emphasis on everyone attending Texans games having a fun, safe, and memorable "game day experience". He wants you to be happy when you leave Reliant Stadium regardless of the outcome of the football game. Win or lose he wants you to have had a good time and to come back..... with your wallet... and as much money as you can fit in it.

He's accomplishing all of that. He's involved in a multi-year process that he believes will result in his finding the Houston Texans version of Tom Landry and that will turn his franchise in the consistent winner that he wants in the model made famous by the Rooney's in Pittsburgh. He's about doing things "the right way" and having infinite patience while slow and steady wins the race.

Bob is in business and he makes business decisions. He believes in what he's doing and how he's doing it.

Now obviously he'd prefer owning a winner to owning a door mat but ultimately I think he's more concerned with being profitable and being seen as a good example of an NFL franchise than anything else. His consistency and his "process" will result in the titles. I think that's what he genuinely believes.

I wasn't a fan of the Kubiak hiring and my posts reflect that. Dig away and you'll see that I wanted an established winning coach and not someone doing this for the first time in their career. I was done with the Kubiak regime after his second 8-8. I felt like I'd seen enough and the years since then have born out what I felt would happen. The one thing I didn't see was McNair forging an alliance with Bum Phillips and hiring Bum's son, then basically giving him that half of the authority. I think that competent defense (arriving a few years too late to take advantage of the best years of some of our offensive players careers) accounts for the two division titles and the 10-6, 12-4 records. Without those I would have expected more 6-10 to 9-7 stumbling around from Gary and whatever dip**** he had hired to coach his defense.

In my view the Texans should be in it to win it but I haven't really expected that in a long, long time. I don't think we have any chance at all of getting there with Gary Kubiak and we won't get there with Wade Phillips who has placed Gary's job in an eternal state of "I got next". I like Wade and I loved Bum but Bum got that job for Wade and I don't want Wade to be my teams head coach.

I am certain however that unless Gary survives until Wade is ready to retire Wade is next up and it will be just as bad as what we've endured under Kubiak. These are not head coaches. They're nice guys and great coordinators but there's no leader here. Never has been. The Kubiak regime isn't about leadership. It's about being a "Pro" and doing things the right way and everyone pulling together to make sure we've all got each others backs. Much like McNair I think Gary just looks at those things and thinks that if he hangs in there they alone will lead to the desired result.

I really don't think McNair can tell the difference between what Kubiak gives him and what he believes will one day get him a ring as I spelled out in my second and third paragraph. I think they look close enough to one another that he thinks Gary's method is exactly like his process.

I think as fans we're ****ed unless one of these guys blindly stumbles upon the key to winning by accident.

I don't fully agree with all of this, but it is a fair and reasonable assessment.

I think McNair is more intent on winning that Hervoyel... However, it is undeniable that he prioritizes ethical and moral intangibles and consistency more than many fans would like- and more than many other organizations.

I also agree that Kubiak has a number of limitations as a leader. I think, however, he has some strengths as well and am more optimistic than most about the possibility of winning with him, though it is fair to say that he won't ever become an elite head coach and a game day difference-maker like the great ones.

I am one of the satisfied customers. As a recovering Cowboy fan who was overwhelmed with on field success in the 90s, I find Bob's model refreshing. My last year as a Cowboy fan, in 1995, I experienced how unsatisfying winning can be when Switzer took that team and won a Superbowl with it. After that day, I learned that (for me at least) winning is not that satisfying when you despise the leaders of that which you root for.

 

[bckey]

I don't fully agree with all of this, but it is a fair and reasonable assessment.

I think McNair is more intent on winning that Hervoyel... However, it is undeniable that he prioritizes ethical and moral intangibles and consistency more than many fans would like- and more than many other organizations.

I also agree that Kubiak has a number of limitations as a leader. I think, however, he has some strengths as well and am more optimistic than most about the possibility of winning with him, though it is fair to say that he won't ever become an elite head coach and a game day difference-maker like the great ones.

I am one of the satisfied customers. As a recovering Cowboy fan who was overwhelmed with on field success in the 90s, I find Bob's model refreshing. My last year as a Cowboy fan, in 1995, I experienced how unsatisfying winning can be when Switzer took that team and won a Superbowl with it. After that day, I learned that (for me at least) winning is not that satisfying when you despise the leaders of that which you root for.

I can't even comprehend that. You have the patience of McNair. How you felt about Switzer is how I feel about Kubiak x 100. I don't like him whatsoever as a head coach. To me every year he stays around as head coach is another year wasted.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I can't even comprehend that. You have the patience of McNair. How you felt about Switzer is how I feel about Kubiak x 100. I don't like him whatsoever as a head coach. To me every year he stays around as head coach is another year wasted.

In a lot of ways Mcnair runs the model NFL franchise in terms of consistent, but professional mediocrity as the norm and is all that is needed to keep the stadium full and the fans hopeful enough.

he provides the product that the NFL (Goddell) expects in 32 cities. On given week the Texans can beat and lose to anybody, In given season, the Texans can overperform (2012) or underperform (2013) with near equal probability.

 

[ObsiWan]

Don't count on it. He's the only one who took the time to respond. Doesn't mean he was the only one who read that and went "wut?"

...raises hand.... I was confused.

Where I come from (and most of the people I know come from) the phrase business model is interpreted to mean business model. Instead of being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, couldn't you just say "no big deal, I probably could've used a different phrase"?

That's what I have been wondering.

 

[Sigma]

“We all love Coach, and don’t get me wrong, we want to go out there and win to lift his spirits so he can make a quicker recovery, but we can’t do it,”

did he really say something like this?

or is it just the onion making fun of the texans?

source

 

[bckey]

In a lot of ways Mcnair runs the model NFL franchise in terms of consistent, but professional mediocrity as the norm and is all that is needed to keep the stadium full and the fans hopeful enough.

he provides the product that the NFL (Goddell) expects in 32 cities. On given week the Texans can beat and lose to anybody, In given season, the Texans can overperform (2012) or underperform (2013) with near equal probability.

I think Houston has had more than their share of the underperforming seasons.

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you on most of it. The Texans just seem to have a 3 headed mediocre monster. Owner, GM, and head coach. As frustrating as it was to see Kubiak march Schaub out there week after week it is even more frustrating to watch McNair march Kubiak out there year after year. I wish we had Kubiak as oc and some strong leader type like Cower or Gruden as hc. Maybe tell Kubiak his stress level needs to be reduced so we are reducing your role in the organization to help you out health wise. I can dream can't I?

 

[Hervoyel]

did he really say something like this?

or is it just the onion making fun of the texans?

source

Just the onion having a little joke at the Texans expense. Not really a big deal, just nice to see that we're back in the "butt of the joke" zone again.

 

[Hervoyel]

I don't fully agree with all of this, but it is a fair and reasonable assessment.

I think McNair is more intent on winning that Hervoyel... However, it is undeniable that he prioritizes ethical and moral intangibles and consistency more than many fans would like- and more than many other organizations.

I also agree that Kubiak has a number of limitations as a leader. I think, however, he has some strengths as well and am more optimistic than most about the possibility of winning with him, though it is fair to say that he won't ever become an elite head coach and a game day difference-maker like the great ones.

I am one of the satisfied customers. As a recovering Cowboy fan who was overwhelmed with on field success in the 90s, I find Bob's model refreshing. My last year as a Cowboy fan, in 1995, I experienced how unsatisfying winning can be when Switzer took that team and won a Superbowl with it. After that day, I learned that (for me at least) winning is not that satisfying when you despise the leaders of that which you root for.

I think he's very intent on winning and that he believes that what he's done thus far is going to make it happen. I think he's mistaken and that the franchise he's setup is a recipe for 6-10 to 10-6 (at best) until the end of time but I guess to some that's a degree of success. Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati seems to have survived living in that "climate" for a long time. Gary Kubiak has as well.

I agree with you about the strengths of Gary Kubiak and I think they're what make him a great coordinator as well as mediocre head coach. I guess we could win with him if everything falls into place at the right time and Rick Smith is suddenly possessed by the spirits of both Mike Holovak and Joel Bushbaum at the same time but I find it unlikely.

I hope for the best but believe ultimately that we'll not be consistently winning under this regime and that the above average years will come as a result of simple good fortune as opposed to some kind of breakthrough of understanding on Kubes part. He does everything the same way with focused consistency every year so outlying seasons (for better or worse) are generally attributable to something else affecting the situation.

 

[GlassHalfFull]

I wish we could leave this thread for discussing his health and wishing him well. There are plenty of other threads out there to discuss his coaching.

I also wish people flashing there soap avatars would stay out of this thread out of respect for Kubiak the man. No matter what you think of him as a coach, by all accounts he is a good and decent man.

 

[Texian]

I was going to respond that I was probably the only one that read your post, but obviously I was the only one that spent any time bothering to respond to it.

Typed slowly it means: nobody else thought enough of your post to reply.

That's sort of a backhanded compliment, but the only kind that you will get from me.



Actually, that would be incorrect. If I had understood your post to mean what you did not actually write, then I never would have replied to it.

There are many of your posts...actually most of them to be honest...that I could confront if I wanted a "pizzing match". But your takes on football are not that interesting and I have no desire to debate your Fox News talking points in the NSZ.

I just made the mistake of taking your previously quoted post at face value when I replied. Obviously my mistake to give you any credit at all.



yeah, that would have been the easy way, but that's not how Ms. Texian likes to operate. She is always right...even when she's wrong.

So you're a Libby...that explains a lot.....just like a Libby, brings his animosity, dislikes and vitriol to a football discussion..... a man who can't separate his politics from his football.....now we understand the bias and the absence of objectivity. Instead of business, he makes it personal. Carry On

 

[Double Barrel]

So you're a Libby...that explains a lot.....just like a Libby, brings his animosity, dislikes and vitriol to a football discussion..... a man who can't separate his politics from his football.....now we understand the bias and the absence of objectivity. Instead of business, he makes it personal. Carry On

You had to sleep on it to come up with this reply? How embarrassing for you.

 

[Blake]

 

[Texian]

You had to sleep on it to come up with this reply? How embarrassing for you.

Nope, I don't spend 16-18 hours a day on a message board accumulating 30,000 posts.

 

[Double Barrel]

Nope, I don't spend 16-18 hours a day on a message board accumulating 30,000 posts.

Give it up, man. It's run it's course and derailed the thread. I'm as guilty as you for stepping in the poo, and I take the full blame because I should know better than to engage you, of all people.

Take our fellow posters' remarks to heart and let this thread get back to where it should be.

I wish we could leave this thread for discussing his health and wishing him well. There are plenty of other threads out there to discuss his coaching.

I also wish people flashing there soap avatars would stay out of this thread out of respect for Kubiak the man. No matter what you think of him as a coach, by all accounts he is a good and decent man.

I agree with both of y'all and sincerely apologize to the forum for my part in pulling this thread away from it's original intent. Trolls gonna' troll, and I know better, so truly sorry to be a part of it.

 

[Hervoyel]

Nope, I don't spend 16-18 hours a day on a message board accumulating 30,000 posts.

It's not that hard to accumulate a lot of posts. Certainly doesn't take 16-18 hours a day. Your "Get a life" implication doesn't really work.

Time to go away.

 

[Sigma]

Just the onion having a little joke at the Texans expense. Not really a big deal, just nice to see that we're back in the "butt of the joke" zone again.

the sad thing is that the look of watt actually sais:

“I love Coach, and don’t get me wrong, I want to go out there and win to lift his spirits so he can make a quicker recovery, but THEY can’t do it,”

or at least that's the impression I have

 

[Texian]

He's accomplishing He's involved in a multi-year process that he believes will result in his finding the Houston Texans version of Tom Landry and that will turn his franchise in the consistent winner that he wants in the model made famous by the Rooney's in Pittsburgh.

Bob's Tom Landry business model is missing a Tex Schram and a Gil Brandt.

 

[GlassHalfFull]

I wish we could leave this thread for discussing his health and wishing him well. There are plenty of other threads out there to discuss his coaching.

I also wish people flashing there soap avatars would stay out of this thread out of respect for Kubiak the man. No matter what you think of him as a coach, by all accounts he is a good and decent man.

Quoting myself in shame. Made a grammar error I hate.

**their soap avatars**

But seriously folks who can't let it go, take it elsewhere please.

Back on topic

Three days after coach Gary Kubiak collapsed on the Reliant Stadium turf and a few hours after the team named defensive coordinator Wade Phillips the interim coach, the Houston Chronicle reports that, barring any setbacks, Kubiak will return for the Week 11 contest vs. the Raiders.

That obviously would be great news for Kubiak, who reportedly suffered a mini-stroke during halftime of last week's Colts game and had to be rushed to the hospital.

He was released from the hospital Tuesday and released this statement:

“I want to thank my family, the McNair family, the Texans organization, the doctors and staff at Houston Methodist and the entire Houston community for all the love and support we have received over the past three days. I've been through an ordeal and my focus now is to get back to good health. Doctors have told me I will make a full recovery but we have not determined when I will be cleared to return to the office. Again, thank you for the support and concern.”

I wish him the best.

link

 

[Marcus]

I'd like to make a request that this thread be locked.

It's going to continue to get derailed if it isn't, and it's not the appropriate place to discuss Kubiak, the coach, and what you think of him as the coach.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Quoting myself in shame. Made a grammar error I hate.

**their soap avatars**

But seriously folks who can't let it go, take it elsewhere please.

Back on topic



I wish him the best.

link

So I reckon we'll never really know what might've caused this episode? I think they ruled out exhaustion. Anxiety? Stress? I don't know, it seems strange considering how healthy he is.

My high BP has been declared genic by my cardio. I wonder if that might be it

 

[drs23]

Nope, I don't spend 16-18 hours a day on a message board accumulating 30,000 posts.

You're getting there quick.

I'm a little late to the party, eerrr, peepeeing match but I did catch up.

That said, I find myself cornfused...

If Texian is a woman she posed as a man named Larry House that commented on an article in the Chronicle that got included in an article written by Stephanie Stradley.

Either that or Texian is a man named Larry House.

Thank You! One in the same.

So are you a dangler or a canoe, confused gender, keyboard impersonator, whut?

I'm almost sure I'm not alone in questioning this. Even if I am, I still wanna know.

So, are you Larry or Mary???

 

[Texian]

You're getting there quick.

I'm a little late to the party, eerrr, peepeeing match but I did catch up.

That said, I find myself cornfused...





So are you a dangler or a canoe, confused gender, keyboard impersonator, whut?

I'm almost sure I'm not alone in questioning this. Even if I am, I still wanna know.

So, are you Larry or Mary???

Well Ma'am, I'm not a Mary but what if I were?

 

[eriadoc]

So I reckon we'll never really know what might've caused this episode?

I hope not. It's none of our business. The man's under scrutiny for every action he takes already; that's probably a factor in the cause. I hope his medical records stay private. I know I'd want mine to stay private.

That job's a bear, especially when the team is not performing. Working 16-20 hours a day and stressing over stuff he can't truly control has got to be a b&^ch. Whatever I may think of his record so far, I wish him the best for his health and family.

 

[thunderkyss]

The success of the Colts could likely be a part of the decision of whether or not the Texans should continue down the same road traveled the last 8 years. If Colts make it to AFC Championship game in addition to also having $40 million to spend in free agency in 2014 vs Texans picking in Top 10 in the 2014 NFL Draft with only $8 million available to spend under the salary cap in the 2014, this will not only dictate change but demand changes in the front office. Not only do the Texans have a failed business model but a business model that has been losing ground to the competition and has reached a point where it getting considerably worse.

I hear ya..... paying your players just doesn't work in the NFL anymore. We should let them all walk, let Bob pocket that money. So long Duane Brown, Jjo, Cushing, Schaub..... pfft.... we don't need no stinking Aj, OD, Arian Foster (tofu eating sumbich)..... who needs Chris Myers & Danieal Manning?

Not us.

All we need is more cap room to not pay players.

Cap room wins championships.

 

[Texian]

I hear ya..... paying your players just doesn't work in the NFL anymore. We should let them all walk, let Bob pocket that money. So long Duane Brown, Jjo, Cushing, Schaub..... pfft.... we don't need no stinking Aj, OD, Arian Foster (tofu eating sumbich)..... who needs Chris Myers & Danieal Manning?

Not us.

All we need is more cap room to not pay players.

Cap room wins championships.

I really think you're missing the point here. The Colts have on avg. $1.75 million to spend on each free agent and the Texans on avg have less than the vet minimum of $500K to spend per free agent. Now I ask you, who can afford to sign the better players next year?

 

[houstonhurricane]

I really think you're missing the point here. The Colts have on avg. $1.75 million to spend on each free agent and the Texans on avg have less than the vet minimum of $500K to spend per free agent. Now I ask you, who can afford to sign the better players next year?

At least we didn't trade a first rounder for Trent Richardson...

 

[Texian]

At least we didn't trade a first rounder for Trent Richardson...

I too don't agree with the Richardson trade but they still average $1.75 million per free agent.

 

[infantrycak]

I too don't agree with the Richardson trade but they still average $1.75 million per free agent.

Due primarily to the new rookie wage scale.

Sam Bradford 6 years, $78 mil, $13 mil avg.
Andrew Luck 4 years, $22.1 mil, $5.5 mil avg.

 

[Texecutioner]

I don't fully agree with all of this, but it is a fair and reasonable assessment.

I think McNair is more intent on winning that Hervoyel... However, it is undeniable that he prioritizes ethical and moral intangibles and consistency more than many fans would like- and more than many other organizations.

I also agree that Kubiak has a number of limitations as a leader. I think, however, he has some strengths as well and am more optimistic than most about the possibility of winning with him, though it is fair to say that he won't ever become an elite head coach and a game day difference-maker like the great ones.

I am one of the satisfied customers. As a recovering Cowboy fan who was overwhelmed with on field success in the 90s, I find Bob's model refreshing. My last year as a Cowboy fan, in 1995, I experienced how unsatisfying winning can be when Switzer took that team and won a Superbowl with it. After that day, I learned that (for me at least) winning is not that satisfying when you despise the leaders of that which you root for.

You find this idea refreshing where the HC is allowed to coddle his failing coaching staff to the point of failure that looks like a train crash over and over again? It was the whole Frank Bush and Smith debacle with the defense where neither guy should have been hired in the first place and then Gary was forced to have Wade come into the picture after years were wasted. Now we're still dealing with problems like Marciano who Kubes refuses to let go of, a pudgy kicker who can't even get close to the goal posts, and Matt Schaub who Gary refused to bench even after he broke the pick 6 record and his statistics going back to last 4 games of 2012 season were mind boggling bad. How do you still find this kind of approach refreshing from Bob after 8 years of Smithiak? I just can't understand the positive feelings from these constant failures that seem so similar to the ones in the early Kubiak era of the Texans.

 

[Texian]

Due primarily to the new rookie wage scale.

Sam Bradford 6 years, $78 mil, $13 mil avg.
Andrew Luck 4 years, $22.1 mil, $5.5 mil avg.

That's a $7.5 million difference. $7.5 million is less than 20% of the $40 million, so primarily is not necessarily the case but it helps that's for sure. $7.5 is 3 players over $2 million and $2 million gets you a pretty good football player.