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Kubes is the problem
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ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Yeah, but it's not reassuring to know that in the first 39 years of their ownership (1933 - 1972), they went to the playoffs one time and had eight winning seasons. They hired Chuck Knoll in 1969, and while it took a couple of years things improved slightly from that point forward.
seem to remember running Chris Palmer out of town & all he did was help Manning lead the Giants to a Superbowl. guess he wasn't the problem after all
A) Pendry undercutting him didn't help his performance.
B) As I understand it there was one QB on the team that understood Palmer's whole offense. That QB didn't play though.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
fast forward to 2008. does A) Kyle Shanahan fight himself since he retains both QB coaching along with OC duties or B) does Sage understand the system better than Schaub, again we don't know cause that QB hasn't played
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Polo
Guest
Do guys really think Sage is clearly the better QB or is he just exciting to watch ?
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Also, some crapatola picks on the line, and the fact that Capers and Palmer's way of seeing things was totally different. Capers wanted the role of his offense not to mess up so that the defense could help them win. Palmer's offensive philosophy is more wide open than that. Capers did some tinkering with the offense and then brought in Pendry. And well, Casserly's philosophy was whatever was good for Casserly.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Kubiak is very hands on & runs the whole show. however if you have an inexpereinced OC who is aligned with the HC (no problem there) but also is responsible for the development of quote "the franchise QB" this may cloud his judgement & that of his QB's gametime decision making process.
So maybe what we're seeing from Kubiak/Shanahan & reflected in Matt Schaubs game time execution is an extension of forcing him to do something he is just not comfortable in doing. at least to me watching Schaub it looks like he is forcing the plays even if they're not there. the offensive line is reacting instead of establishing space & lanes, his targets are covered over the top & underneath. spacing/timing is all off this is where the QB has to both use his legs while thinking on his feet to make 3rd/4th read progressions. The Denver system works best with a mobile QB, not sure if Shanahan got to work a year with Cutler or not but I know Kubiak worked with Elway so do you think either one of those QB's who make the Denver system run resemble in anyway shape or form Matt Schaub?
bottom line Kubiak is responsible for these decisions & development of the team, maybe he needs to defer more authority & trust his coaches to make calls but until he settles the QB position effectivness its gonna be really hard to accomplish what we all want to see & expect
So maybe what we're seeing from Kubiak/Shanahan & reflected in Matt Schaubs game time execution is an extension of forcing him to do something he is just not comfortable in doing. at least to me watching Schaub it looks like he is forcing the plays even if they're not there. the offensive line is reacting instead of establishing space & lanes, his targets are covered over the top & underneath. spacing/timing is all off this is where the QB has to both use his legs while thinking on his feet to make 3rd/4th read progressions. The Denver system works best with a mobile QB, not sure if Shanahan got to work a year with Cutler or not but I know Kubiak worked with Elway so do you think either one of those QB's who make the Denver system run resemble in anyway shape or form Matt Schaub?
bottom line Kubiak is responsible for these decisions & development of the team, maybe he needs to defer more authority & trust his coaches to make calls but until he settles the QB position effectivness its gonna be really hard to accomplish what we all want to see & expect
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Kubiak is very hands on & runs the whole show. however if you have an inexpereinced OC who is aligned with the HC (no problem there) but also is responsible for the development of quote "the franchise QB" this may cloud his judgement & that of his QB's gametime decision making process.
So maybe what we're seeing from Kubiak/Shanahan & reflected in Matt Schaubs game time execution is an extension of forcing him to do something he is just not comfortable in doing. at least to me watching Schaub it looks like he is forcing the plays even if they're not there. the offensive line is reacting instead of establishing space & lanes, his targets are covered over the top & underneath. spacing/timing is all off this is where the QB has to both use his legs while thinking on his feet to make 3rd/4th read progressions. The Denver system works best with a mobile QB, not sure if Shanahan got to work a year with Cutler or not but I know Kubiak worked with Elway so do you think either one of those QB's who make the Denver system run resemble in anyway shape or form Matt Schaub?
bottom line Kubiak is responsible for these decisions & development of the team, maybe he needs to defer more authority & trust his coaches to make calls but until he settles the QB position effectivness its gonna be really hard to accomplish what we all want to see & expect
I have less problem with Shanahan as OC because it is Kubiak's offense and Gibbs is there.
You have two guys very familiar with the Denver passing game (Kubiak, Pariani the TE's coach) and a guy very familiar with the running game and blocking (Gibbs), and Shanahan basically knows both and really is in the position of enacting Kubiak's philosophy.
Shanahan the Sr has said it takes a quarterback three years to really get the system. I think the offense gets its feet under them when October home games come--marketed in the newspaper as Octoberfest. ha
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
He might be correct, considering Cutler's been freakin lights out thus far. Then again, their ZBS looks awesome compared to the mobile pile of poo we create.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
last year the team improved but its not like they improved that much. who did they beat? who have they ever beat?
as for your VY 'blast', its just par for the course with you. why not mix in a 'VY is gay' joke, its about all your good for.
I stated that I would rather have VY, Schaub and Carr's cap space, and 2 2nd Round picks over Schaub and Mario. I still feel that way. so sue me. Basically we could have VY, Asanti Samuel and Justin Smith, 2 2nd Round picks, and still have a little cap space left. Mario has been a good player and could be a great player, but its not like he has had that much effect on our defense (to no fault of his own though) If VY didn't play well, we could have Sage as our QB which is something many are already clamoring for.
If you werent such a hater you would see that it actually makes some sense....but whatever, make another sausage joke or VY is gay joke and show the level of your intelligence and discourse. Just grow up.
Spec, I apologize for wanting my team to improve and not wallow in the malaise of this current Kubiak era. You act like the guy built the Sistine Chapel last year, when in effect he beat 7 teams, most of whom sucked, and a listless 2nd string nothing-to-play-for Jaguars team in Week 17. Not a horrible year, but hardly a year worth pining for or pointing as some validation of your love for Kubiak.
I was around before you got here and I will be around long after you have gone. Your trolling does nothing other than out you as a homer and a hater. I am sure you would be happy with a decade more of Kubiak's uninspired team but at least you could call yourself a 'real Texans fan' for sticking by your team....whatever dude.
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I'm not sure I agree with this premise (if I understand what you are saying). He might be hands on for a head coach, but I don't think that means as much as people might think. He might be hands on with the QB, but I doubt he is telling Pitts how to block, Reeves how to cover, or Brown how to kick. He tells his coaches what he wants and they implement it to the best of their abilities. I doubt most players get much one-on-one time with Kubiak. That's not his job.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has specific knowledge to the contrary.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think you are right on OL, DB's etc. By report he is hands on more than most in two significant areas (neither unique to him)--actually calling the plays rather than the OC and playing a larger role in the draft than many HC's. Haven't heard that he is playing any role at all in the D other than the draft.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Spec... You forget the MO here. Unless its a coach named Royal, Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic or Brown someone (WSRN) won't be happy...
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Spec... You forget the MO here. Unless its a coach named Royal, Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic or Brown someone (WSRN) won't be happy...
True .. I like how the only thing a certain person noticed in my post was the mention of a mentally ill QB.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
that pretty much reflects the jest of it as much as humanly possible without being a dictatorship where permission is needed to take a
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Spec... You forget the MO here. Unless its a coach named Royal, Akers, McWilliams, Mackovic or Brown someone (WSRN) won't be happy...
hahaha...Brown as Texan's HC. That's a good one, TB
it does bring up a question though. are there any college coaches that you think could fit the bill in Houston as HC?
Stoops? Carroll? Miles? that fat tub of lard coach at Notre Dame named Weiss?
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
People are acting like Kubiak and Smith have been here the whole time. They took over a 2-14 team that was strapped for cash. They couldnt even buy good players, yet they improved to 6-10 then 8-8. They have improved every year and now were two games in (both losses) and people want to fire them??? That definitely sounds like a recipe for success. Who are we going to replace them with, I hear Matt Millen is available
b0ng
Bad Hombre
What?! He's in his 3rd year?! His ass should have been fired after going 6-10 GOSH!
Seriously, it's the guy's first head coaching gig. Second Honeymoon, if you don't want to sit here through the "garbage" I don't think anybody is forcing you to watch Texans games or post on this forum.
I for one am saddened by some of the playcalling and the inability to throw the challenge flag at the correct time, but we're seeing steady improvement (by season, not by game) and people still want to *****. It's really getting so that this board is becoming nigh undreadable with all of the ridiculousness that's being thrown around. Lets get to some facts.
Fact #1 - Schaub is going to start vs Jacksonville and probably vs the Colts and during our home stretch no matter how badly he performs, especially if others around him are failing (Walter, AJ, most of the offensive line). I bet some people are going to get even more butt hurt about that than anything else.
Fact #2 - Kubiak will not be fired this year or next. I don't even get how you people think McNair is going to fire Kubiak anytime soon. The guy has steadily improved our team for 3 years, and although some of his abilities leave a lot to be desired, other areas of his he's great. Since he has become head coach our drafts have improved significantly. McNair even gave Capers and Casserly 5 years, and they were pretty much bad all the time. So if a guy shows he has more ability than the previous, why would he get fired sooner?
Fact #3 - Vince Young is not on this team.
Fact #4 - Bill Cowher would not want to come out of retirement to coach the Houston Texans. There's no tradition here, a well entrenched GM, and an offensive mindset in place. What would Cowher like about that? Oh yeah, not a damn thing
It's obvious that a lot of people here have never liked the hiring of Kubiak and wish him the worst and hope that he gets fired as soon as humanly possible. These people will make threats about "not sitting by and watching this" and yeah that's cool, but those sound like empty threats to me. Nobody wants to watch bad football, but people sure do like to ***** about on an internet forum. I'd also like to know how much good it does to start threads where the intention is to try to get a coach or a player fired/sat? Is it for venting? I know it's not to actually get said player/coach sat/fired, because I don't think the Texans FO makes decisions based on what the fans want (eg the 2006 Draft), and especially not what an internet forum wants. Yes I realize that this is the only place some people can come and get informed opinions on the Texans, but it's just ridiculous to see the entire front page of threads in the main forum just gobbled up in "Fire coach X" "Sit player X" threads.
I know I couldn't even bring myself to read this forum, or the main forum at the texans page because I knew it would be full armchair GM's talking about the great decisions they would make with this terrible football team. I guess I didn't wait long enough.
Seriously, it's the guy's first head coaching gig. Second Honeymoon, if you don't want to sit here through the "garbage" I don't think anybody is forcing you to watch Texans games or post on this forum.
I for one am saddened by some of the playcalling and the inability to throw the challenge flag at the correct time, but we're seeing steady improvement (by season, not by game) and people still want to *****. It's really getting so that this board is becoming nigh undreadable with all of the ridiculousness that's being thrown around. Lets get to some facts.
Fact #1 - Schaub is going to start vs Jacksonville and probably vs the Colts and during our home stretch no matter how badly he performs, especially if others around him are failing (Walter, AJ, most of the offensive line). I bet some people are going to get even more butt hurt about that than anything else.
Fact #2 - Kubiak will not be fired this year or next. I don't even get how you people think McNair is going to fire Kubiak anytime soon. The guy has steadily improved our team for 3 years, and although some of his abilities leave a lot to be desired, other areas of his he's great. Since he has become head coach our drafts have improved significantly. McNair even gave Capers and Casserly 5 years, and they were pretty much bad all the time. So if a guy shows he has more ability than the previous, why would he get fired sooner?
Fact #3 - Vince Young is not on this team.
Fact #4 - Bill Cowher would not want to come out of retirement to coach the Houston Texans. There's no tradition here, a well entrenched GM, and an offensive mindset in place. What would Cowher like about that? Oh yeah, not a damn thing
It's obvious that a lot of people here have never liked the hiring of Kubiak and wish him the worst and hope that he gets fired as soon as humanly possible. These people will make threats about "not sitting by and watching this" and yeah that's cool, but those sound like empty threats to me. Nobody wants to watch bad football, but people sure do like to ***** about on an internet forum. I'd also like to know how much good it does to start threads where the intention is to try to get a coach or a player fired/sat? Is it for venting? I know it's not to actually get said player/coach sat/fired, because I don't think the Texans FO makes decisions based on what the fans want (eg the 2006 Draft), and especially not what an internet forum wants. Yes I realize that this is the only place some people can come and get informed opinions on the Texans, but it's just ridiculous to see the entire front page of threads in the main forum just gobbled up in "Fire coach X" "Sit player X" threads.
I know I couldn't even bring myself to read this forum, or the main forum at the texans page because I knew it would be full armchair GM's talking about the great decisions they would make with this terrible football team. I guess I didn't wait long enough.
I dont think Kubiak is totally the problem. We are just very short on raw talent and since our conception we haven't been able to bring talent in. I will say if we go something like 4-12 Kubiak should be on the hot seat next year, facing being canned in the 09 offseason.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Now Bong unless you have your name on a brick your not a true fan according to SH, so your opinion mean absolutely nothing.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Our talent level is not so low that you can explain the 3 debaucles against the Girls, Steelers and Tacks. The ultimate losses could have reasonably be expected.............but not the accompanying performances.......or should I say lack of.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
now your grasping at straws and making blatantly false statements.
no big deal. hopefully the team will turn things around so this can all be mute.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Moot...
A bit of mute would be nice too.