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Kris Brown

Texan_Bill said:
Signed a deal/ extension in June of this year. The deal is through 2013, worth $10 million with $2.5 of that being guaranteed. Other than that I don't know too much about his contract situation.
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If the statement on the board that the extension has just $2.5 guaranteed is accurate, than this reason would certainly point to a lack of commitment to excellence on the part of the organization.
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I got those figures here and followed up here.

This extension was after coming off a pretty darn good season.
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Just to be clear: I wasn't questioning the veracity of the numbers posted, just pointing out that I didn't check them out myself and took the post at face value.
 
Vinny said:
Brown has had a brutal year. Time to bring in a kicker for a real TC competition for the first time ever.
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Yep...no reason to just cut him at this point. Lets see what happens going into next year.
 
I just noticed that he's had 3 kicks blocked this year (most in his career). That tells me one of two things: A) The line is full of suck or B) his mechanics are all jacked up (which can include timing). The former is too easy so I'm going with the latter.
 
TD said:
Brown has had a brutal year. Time to bring in a kicker for a real TC competition for the first time ever.
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Yep...no reason to just cut him at this point. Lets see what happens going into next year.
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There is a reason to cut him now. That reason is that he has a recent and very real history of missing important kicks. If the team is committed to winning they should try to mitigate that risk. If the team wants to hold onto him for a training camp battle, they need to bench him and bring in another kicker.

If they just roll along, then the team has indicated that "we would have won the game if he had made the kick" (i.e. good enough) is acceptable. Bringing in a kicker with a better chance to make the kick* and win (i.e. commitment to excellence) isn't where the team is at.


* Brown is in a bad slump right now. Rick Smith should be able to find a better option for the next two games.
 
Runner said:
...The Texans are leaving the door open for another missed field goal - a very foreseeable missed field goal - costing them what little chance they have. He and his wife are nice people. Is it because he's a nice guy he's kept? Is it just that the Texans have glacial decision making? Is it blind hope that he gets better because he's a Texan? Is it because of the good things he's done that the bad results are seen as anomalies, even though they are more of a pattern?...

...Is the Texans orgainzation committed to doing everything it takes to reach that goal? Not that I've seen.
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Please read this long-ass post of mine. I put a lot more thought into it than I did my "Is Kubiak a racist?" idea. So everyone please take 40 minutes of your time today and read this:

I think Bob McNair is trying to build a version of the classic Dallas Cowboys organization: The Tom Landry era of Cowboys, not the Jerry JOnes era of Cowboys.

You can see it in how Bob markets the team. Score one for Bob--He dang sure knows how to market his franchise. The players are professional for the most part, the coaches have been people who don't lash out in emotional antics on camera, and the whole organization is as sterile and void of drama as you can get.

I read your post, and I think that Bob McNair wants to emulate that old-school type of era. So, "yes" the decision-making is at a glacial pace because it mimics the old-school way of doing things. You don't overreact by playing musical chairs with your coaches, which means allowing Capers to play out a 2-14 season to the very last game, as well as sticking with Richard Smith as d-coord for so many "wasted" seasons.

There's a certain aura of "distinction" that's evident with this franchise. The introduction of ESPN, IMO, heralded a new era of sports media--An era marked by celebrating winners and castigating losers. In the old days, losses hurt...but I imagine there was not the level of jack-assery with the sports media as there is now.

In the old days, someone like Rich Eisen would not have said "And now we'll show you highlights of the Rams-Texans game. Because we have to."

The way the sports media has pitted winners vs. losers, in the eyes of its viewers/consumers, has forced owners to make bold moves. You can no longer be a good guy who runs a nice team with poster-boy coaches and players. The pressure to "Win Now!," at any cost, is amazing. It causes teams to make drastic moves, like flailing away at CD or DVD player because the disc is scratched and you just know that you can jostle it in order to make it play. It's why Charlie Weiss gets a HUGE contract re-structuring at Notre Dame and then is eventually out on his ass a few seasons later. Here today, gone tomorrow. NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE!

Bob McNair is attempting to build a winning franchise, and I think that his focus is upon doing it in a way that's less like what other franchises are doing it. I think he sees himself as someone who is more like the Rooney family and less like the Daniel Snyder Redskins. I think Bob McNair DOES want to win, but he's from an era that doesn't match the current NFL climate of teams who hire and fire coaches and GMs at the beginning stages of the team's decline.

He's more likely to ride out the storm and make sure that he doesn't let a good one get away. He doesn't want Tom Landry to be let go just before Tom Landry hits it big. McNair is a guy who, IMO, sincerely believes that even if he doesn't "Win Now!" that some day he is going to win, and that he will have done it the unconventional way when compared to the here-today-gone-tomorrow antics of other franchises.

Does that endear Bob McNair to me? Nope. Because I think it's misguided thinking in lieu of how the NFL has evolved and what it has become. It's like trying to keep your dial-up internet service when you know damn well that even our basic DSL is being made just as obsolete as dial-up had been made several years ago. You feel pity for the family who still has dial-up. It's a sentimental issue for people like Bob McNair. "No, thanks, Mr. Cable Salesman. My dial-up is working just fine."

There's a certain mystique with doing things in a nostalgic, bygone-era sort of manner. I think he thinks he's wedding the old era and the new era together in a holy matrimony of sorts. He sees himself as having made a currently-relevant team from a marketing standpoint, yet a classic football team from days gone by.

Too bad for us. Because it means that "our team" and "his team" are judged upon within two different courts of law. One team, two different ways of evaluation. It's like waking up one day and realizing that you and your spouse are vastly different people. You aren't nearly as "compatible" as you had first believed. So you have to ask yourselves the big question: "Do we really LOVE one another? Can this REALLY work? What if I don't want this the rest of my life? Did I make a mistake? Will he/she leave me for someone else? This is going to take a lot of work."

In the end, I think we're all (on some level) coping with those nagging questions. Is this the team I wanted it to be? Am I stuck with it forever? What if I can't handle the way Bob runs this team? He's probably not going to change how he runs it. Do I like it? What can I do to make the best of it?

Kris Brown was not cut by the Texans like what Jerry Jones did to Nick Folk. One guy was axed on Monday, before the rest of the season played out. And one guy remained and WILL remain at least until the end of this season. The Cowboys, for all their faults and warts, saw that their kicker endangered the team's chances at making it as at least a Wild Card team this year.

So they cut the strings, and cut them swiftly. They just got a guy who also got cut from the Redskins for having a severe case of the yips. Why? Because changing scenery, especially for kickers, can do a world of good for all parties involved. Jerry Jones understands that. Bob McNair doesn't.

They operate on two different levels.

And with this team, I suppose the sooner we accept it...the better?
 
GP said:
Please read this long-ass post of mine. I put a lot more thought into it than I did my "Is Kubiak a racist?" idea. So everyone please take 40 minutes of your time today and read this:

I think Bob McNair is trying to build a version of the classic Dallas Cowboys organization: The Tom Landry era of Cowboys, not the Jerry JOnes era of Cowboys.

You can see it in how Bob markets the team. Score one for Bob--He dang sure knows how to market his franchise. The players are professional for the most part, the coaches have been people who don't lash out in emotional antics on camera, and the whole organization is as sterile and void of drama as you can get.

I read your post, and I think that Bob McNair wants to emulate that old-school type of era. So, "yes" the decision-making is at a glacial pace because it mimics the old-school way of doing things. You don't overreact by playing musical chairs with your coaches, which means allowing Capers to play out a 2-14 season to the very last game, as well as sticking with Richard Smith as d-coord for so many "wasted" seasons.

There's a certain aura of "distinction" that's evident with this franchise. The introduction of ESPN, IMO, heralded a new era of sports media--An era marked by celebrating winners and castigating losers. In the old days, losses hurt...but I imagine there was not the level of jack-assery with the sports media as there is now.

In the old days, someone like Rich Eisen would not have said "And now we'll show you highlights of the Rams-Texans game. Because we have to."

The way the sports media has pitted winners vs. losers, in the eyes of its viewers/consumers, has forced owners to make bold moves. You can no longer be a good guy who runs a nice team with poster-boy coaches and players. The pressure to "Win Now!," at any cost, is amazing. It causes teams to make drastic moves, like flailing away at CD or DVD player because the disc is scratched and you just know that you can jostle it in order to make it play. It's why Charlie Weiss gets a HUGE contract re-structuring at Notre Dame and then is eventually out on his ass a few seasons later. Here today, gone tomorrow. NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE!

Bob McNair is attempting to build a winning franchise, and I think that his focus is upon doing it in a way that's less like what other franchises are doing it. I think he sees himself as someone who is more like the Rooney family and less like the Daniel Snyder Redskins. I think Bob McNair DOES want to win, but he's from an era that doesn't match the current NFL climate of teams who hire and fire coaches and GMs at the beginning stages of the team's decline.

He's more likely to ride out the storm and make sure that he doesn't let a good one get away. He doesn't want Tom Landry to be let go just before Tom Landry hits it big. McNair is a guy who, IMO, sincerely believes that even if he doesn't "Win Now!" that some day he is going to win, and that he will have done it the unconventional way when compared to the here-today-gone-tomorrow antics of other franchises.

Does that endear Bob McNair to me? Nope. Because I think it's misguided thinking in lieu of how the NFL has evolved and what it has become. It's like trying to keep your dial-up internet service when you know damn well that even our basic DSL is being made just as obsolete as dial-up had been made several years ago. You feel pity for the family who still has dial-up. It's a sentimental issue for people like Bob McNair. "No, thanks, Mr. Cable Salesman. My dial-up is working just fine."

There's a certain mystique with doing things in a nostalgic, bygone-era sort of manner. I think he thinks he's wedding the old era and the new era together in a holy matrimony of sorts. He sees himself as having made a currently-relevant team from a marketing standpoint, yet a classic football team from days gone by.

Too bad for us. Because it means that "our team" and "his team" are judged upon within two different courts of law. One team, two different ways of evaluation. It's like waking up one day and realizing that you and your spouse are vastly different people. You aren't nearly as "compatible" as you had first believed. So you have to ask yourselves the big question: "Do we really LOVE one another? Can this REALLY work? What if I don't want this the rest of my life? Did I make a mistake? Will he/she leave me for someone else? This is going to take a lot of work."

In the end, I think we're all (on some level) coping with those nagging questions. Is this the team I wanted it to be? Am I stuck with it forever? What if I can't handle the way Bob runs this team? He's probably not going to change how he runs it. Do I like it? What can I do to make the best of it?

Kris Brown was not cut by the Texans like what Jerry Jones did to Nick Folk. One guy was axed on Monday, before the rest of the season played out. And one guy remained and WILL remain at least until the end of this season. The Cowboys, for all their faults and warts, saw that their kicker endangered the team's chances at making it as at least a Wild Card team this year.

So they cut the strings, and cut them swiftly. They just got a guy who also got cut from the Redskins for having a severe case of the yips. Why? Because changing scenery, especially for kickers, can do a world of good for all parties involved. Jerry Jones understands that. Bob McNair doesn't.

They operate on two different levels.

And with this team, I suppose the sooner we accept it...the better?
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You put a lot of thought into this. Great post.

But, I think you may be underestimating Mr. McNair. I think he knows he has to be a "new" NFL franchise. Heck, he knows it more than anyone, because we're the newest team in the league.

The Texas brand is still being created and built. Bob McNair can't afford to have it develop into a losing franchise. He just can't.

I have to say, though, that I give Jerry Jones mucho respect. He saw a problem, and he dealt with it. Quickly.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
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And you would have been crazy for cutting KB at that time.

He went on the next few seasons to being one of our best players and someone we could always count on.

Just because he is having a bad year does not erase what he has done the other seasons for us.

I agree that he needs to go or at least competition be brought in.

Before this season hardly anyone would even think that KB had to go and had good reason.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
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I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?
 
Vinny said:
I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?
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Busted! LOL
 
texanfan2002114 said:
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
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Vinny said:
I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?
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One whole rep point ?! Thats weak .

That should be reviewed by the league office .... Roger Goodell should increase your fine.

At the time of that post up until the middle of this season Brown has been one of the better kickers in the NFL ..... I have to concur with whoever gave you that neg rep - that thread at that time was silly , just silly.
 
Vinny said:
I didnt say I wanted Kris here. I was just reporting what I heard today. I wanted him cut 12-11-05 and started a thread on here and I got so many negative reps because people thought I was crazy and stupid and was also called fairweather to the max.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221241#post221241
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I just had to call you on your honesty. You do know I can see your rep right? For the record I just checked it and you had one neg rep for a loss of one whole rep point. The quote on that neg rep was, "silly, just silly". Is this you Rev Sharpton?
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You may want to consider a fence post avatar after this PotD.
 
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?
 
Runner said:
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?
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NO!!!! KB is getting paid to do a job, why pay someone else who might be in the same slump? You don't know that Carney would do any better than Kris! We're not going anywhere this season anyway, let KB earn his salary!!
 
SheTexan said:
NO!!!! KB is getting paid to do a job, why pay someone else who might be in the same slump? You don't know that Carney would do any better than Kris! We're not going anywhere this season anyway, let KB earn his salary!!
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At the rate he's going he should give it all to charity cause he sure hasnt earned it this season ..... I'd bring in Carney if for nothing else but some competition , maybe one of them shakes off the shanks.
We have seen every RB on the roster benched at one time or another for turning the ball over , a missed FG is basicly a turnover. If those backs were held accountable , so should be the kicker.
 
I think Carney was cut because he was an injury fill-in for the Saints younger kicker. That kicker is now healthy; he wasn't cut for performance reasons.

He had a similar role last year and did well with the Giants. I think he is the ideal solution to the Kris Briwn issue.

I would like to see the Texans organization make a positive move to try to give the team its best chance for victory, rather than "hope" Kris Brown snaps out of his funk if a game comes down to a winning field goal attempt. If nothing else, it sends a message to the players that the team is committed to winning.
 
Runner said:
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?
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depends on if those four misses were from 50+ or not. I don't recall Carney being known for the distance of his kicks. Those could be cases where he didn't have enough "leg".
 
ObsiWan said:
John Carney was cut by the Saints. A quick look shows me he was 13-17 in eleven games this year. Does he have the yips?

If the last two games are important to the team, as they should be if the team is committed to winning, should he be added to the team to finish out the year without cutting Kris Brown?
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depends on if those four misses were from 50+ or not. I don't recall Carney being known for the distance of his kicks.
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He is certainly no spring chicken, so he might not have a lot of leg left. I'd rather have him for a forty yarder though.

Or a thirty...twenty...
 
Texan_Bill said:
More than likely it's that extension that he got in June of this year.
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Runner said:
If the statement on the board that the extension has just $2.5 guaranteed is accurate, than this reason would certainly point to a lack of commitment to excellence on the part of the organization.
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Texan_Bill said:
I got those figures here and followed up here.

This extension was after coming off a pretty darn good season.
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I guess this explains the team's "commitment" to Kris Brown.

Are we sure Bob McNair is a "hands off" owner?
 
Runner said:
I think Carney was cut because he was an injury fill-in for the Saints younger kicker. That kicker is now healthy; he wasn't cut for performance reasons.
He had a similar role last year and did well with the Giants. I think he is the ideal solution to the Kris Briwn issue.

I would like to see the Texans organization make a positive move to try to give the team its best chance for victory, rather than "hope" Kris Brown snaps out of his funk if a game comes down to a winning field goal attempt. If nothing else, it sends a message to the players that the team is committed to winning.
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Right. Hartley came back and they liked him before. Carney did nothing wrong. He was just the fill in.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I think Carney was cut because he was an injury fill-in for the Saints younger kicker. That kicker is now healthy; he wasn't cut for performance reasons.
He had a similar role last year and did well with the Giants. I think he is the ideal solution to the Kris Briwn issue.

I would like to see the Texans organization make a positive move to try to give the team its best chance for victory, rather than "hope" Kris Brown snaps out of his funk if a game comes down to a winning field goal attempt. If nothing else, it sends a message to the players that the team is committed to winning.
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Right. Hartley came back and they liked him before. Carney did nothing wrong. He was just the fill in.
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The Saints carried Carney on the roster for a couple of games even after Hartley came back. It is unlikely he was cut for performance reasons.
 
Runner said:
The Saints carried Carney on the roster for a couple of games even after Hartley came back. It is unlikely he was cut for performance reasons.
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Exactly. Hartley was banned the first 4 games because of a banned substance. Carney kicked pretty well for them in the interim and beyond. I'd read they held on to Carney to maybe keep him out of the hands of other teams.....Cowboys maybe, a week earlier.
 
HoustonFrog said:
The Saints carried Carney on the roster for a couple of games even after Hartley came back. It is unlikely he was cut for performance reasons.
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Exactly. Hartley was banned the first 4 games because of a banned substance. Carney kicked pretty well for them in the interim and beyond. I'd read they held on to Carney to maybe keep him out of the hands of other teams.....Cowboys maybe, a week earlier.
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There is a saying that luck occurs when preparation meets opportunity. The opportunity is there. Are the Texans prepared?

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If they did carry him to keep him away from the Cowboys, that was a very savvy move that almost played out perfectly.
 
Mr. White said:
I guess this explains the team's "commitment" to Kris Brown.

Are we sure Bob McNair is a "hands off" owner?
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Who ever said Bob was a "hands off" owner? I think he's extremely involved with his organization.

As far as being committed to KB, they extended him based on last season's performance.
 
Texan_Bill said:
As far as being committed to KB, they extended him based on last season's performance.
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I don't have a problem with the extension; I certainly didn't at the time. That isn't the issue with me.

I do question if the Texans will be handcuffed by that extension, and for how long, based on Brown's current performance.
 
Runner said:
I don't have a problem with the extension; I certainly didn't at the time. That isn't the issue with me.

I do question if the Texans will be handcuffed by that extension, and for how long, based on Brown's current performance.
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Damn the handcuffs. At the end of the day, Kris should have some competition and earn his spot next season. I have no problems with eating that $2.5 against the cap if he's not up to it.

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Kris is a great guy (and very charitable for people that don't know) and he's had a pretty good career. That said.....

Bottom line is you have to make your kicks. With Kris, it's not a question of leg strength. It's in his head. The 52 yarder he missed at the end of the first half last week didn't lack for distance. It lacked accuracy.... in a dome no less, where wind isn't really a factor. He's got to figure it out or quite simply his days as a Texan are over..... Well not really, 'cause he's a Texan by birth.
 
Chris Brown the running back will be gone next year.

KB will have competition brought in next year.

These I promise.
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I guess the Texans are going with Kris Brown. I'll say this before it possibly happens - Kubiak and management shouldn't get credit for putting the team "in a position to win" if they trot Kris Brown out for a game winning field goal this Sunday.
 
Is he trash or is he trash? Gary, this is no longer a slump that he's gotta work through.

Lord willing we pick up a kicker if we lord willing make the playoffs.
 
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.
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I'm not bashing the guy, just seeing the writing on the wall. He's been a good but not great kicker up to this point. Think its all mental at this point, I hope he gets it fixed but I'm not sure it will happen.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.
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Not trying to be a dick here, but you're not bashing Kubiak with your soap? Man's been a good citizen here as well and he turned the team around. Where's your compasion for him? I'm not talking about calling someone names, I'm talking about calling someone out for their failures. That's a fair thing to do IMHO. I'm not calling for the guy to be beaten to death with bats or anything, just do your job and execute.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.
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I understand that he's an original Texan, and that there are many people on this board that are close to him, however, I do not believe he becomes exonerated for those reasons. No player is above criticism....David Carr certainly wasn't, Mario Williams, and Matt Schaub haven't been. As a matter of fact, Kubiak himself has been a walking door mat for over half a season.

This guy is screwing up...He has missed game losing/OT kicks, and now kicks that could come back to hunt us.

As Solomon Wilcots just said, "Kris Brown as robbed the Houston Texans to take a lead or secure momentum."

OFF with his cleats!

Edit....I also think Kubiak is just as much responsible for those missed kicks...He chose to let Brown "work through it," and so far all that has equated to are numerous missed opportunities. Let's bring in some competition, instead, he wanted to hold regard for Brown's feelings.
 
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jaayteetx said:
I'm not bashing the guy, just seeing the writing on the wall. He's been a good but not great kicker up to this point. Think its all mental at this point, I hope he gets it fixed but I'm not sure it will happen.
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He's good, until playoff chances come into play. Happens to every team he has been on.
 
jaayteetx said:
I'm not bashing the guy, just seeing the writing on the wall. He's been a good but not great kicker up to this point. Think its all mental at this point, I hope he gets it fixed but I'm not sure it will happen.
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I hear ya and didn't take your post as bashing.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Stop bashing the guy. He has been a solid citizen here and keep in mind that there a some close to him that are members of this board.

Unfortunately everyone runs their course and it looks like Kris Brown has run his here. Just like pitchers in baseball when things go downhill for a kicker they go downhill fast. He is the last of the original Texans and had a great run here.

I am sure no one is more frustated than himself. So instead of bashing the guy hopefully the fans will appreciate the success he had here while it lasted.

Obviously the Texans will be looking at that position come next season.
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Sorry but all these guys have relatives and are solid citizens. I think all the Texan fans are pulling for Kris Brown but he's NOT getting the job done. 56 yarders are understandable but XPs? He probably could use a change next year because the pressure of loosing games in your HOME? town has to be killing him. Plus, unless he's giving back the $2.5 million I think the Texans and FANS (season ticket holders) deserve better.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Not trying to be a dick here, but you're not bashing Kubiak with your soap? Man's been a good citizen here as well and he turned the team around. Where's your compasion for him? I'm not talking about calling someone names, I'm talking about calling someone out for their failures. That's a fair thing to do IMHO. I'm not calling for the guy to be beaten to death with bats or anything, just do your job and execute.
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I don't think Kubiak is the guy to get it done here. Obviously the same is true of Kris Brown. However I am not calling either "trash" and taking personal shots at them.

BTW, Kubiak has not been as effective as a head coach as Kris Brown has been as a kicker IMO.
 
Runner said:
I guess the Texans are going with Kris Brown. I'll say this before it possibly happens - Kubiak and management shouldn't get credit for putting the team "in a position to win" if they trot Kris Brown out for a game winning field goal this Sunday.
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Runner said:
There is a reason to cut him now. That reason is that he has a recent and very real history of missing important kicks. If the team is committed to winning they should try to mitigate that risk. If the team wants to hold onto him for a training camp battle, they need to bench him and bring in another kicker.

If they just roll along, then the team has indicated that "we would have won the game if he had made the kick" (i.e. good enough) is acceptable. Bringing in a kicker with a better chance to make the kick* and win (i.e. commitment to excellence) isn't where the team is at.


* Brown is in a bad slump right now. Rick Smith should be able to find a better option for the next two games.
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My opinion hasn't changed.

Commitment to winning?
 
Guys gotta go, he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, especially not in a pressure game.
 
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