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Keep Rosenfels as the STARTER!!

xtruroyaltyx said:
I want Carr to start...Not because I think he is the answer...but at this point I'm tired of the unsure attitude when it comes to Carr...i say give him the whole season, and if he fails he fails...and we can move on...
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I'll buy that. After this season...we can finally make a fair analysis of him. Before...without a coaching staff, without an O-line (supposedly), without a capable game-plan.....no one could be sure whether he was it or wasn't. After this season....we'll know for sure. I'll feel much better that way. Before this season...that uncertainty would have always been in the back of our minds..."what if....".
 
AustinJB said:
In response to some of the things that are being said in this thread:

1. Yes, if Carr had a game like VY did and we won, I would have been happy. You know why? B/c VY didn't turn the ball over time and time again. He kept his team in the game and made a play or two when he had to. Which team had the rookie QB today?

2. Sage played with courage and was effective. We were very close to winning the game once he came in. He is calm, cool and poised. Garbage time?? Give me a break!

When you're down by 30-40 pts and you are playing against mostly back-ups b/c there is not enough time to get back in the game...and the your sole purpose is to gain respect and just simply make sure the score isn't so lop-sided.....THAT is garbage time. When you are engineering a comeback bid against the 1st string defense and you come up a little short....that is NOT garbage time.

3. All of the "but poor little Carr has a bad offensive line, that's why he's ineffective" talk should cease NOW. Sage came in and played behind the same horrible line, against the same defensive pressure from the same team and was far more effective. Carr--4 sacks, 2 fumbles, 1 INT, OTD....Sage--0 sacks, 0 fumbles, 1 INT, 3 TDs.

Enough said.
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fact of the matter is, VY's stats 9 out of 10 times aren't going to be enough to win games on a consistent basis in the NFL, it was just enough yesterday b/c he played us. Yeah he didn't turn the ball over, but he was damn close a couple of times, it's just our defense couldn't capitalize. Then you guys would be complaining that he isn't doing enough.

As for the 2nd bolded, It is no secret that we play our best in the 4th quarter of every game largely b/c we are always down but to say that Sage faced the same pressure is crap. The titans were protecting the lead at the beginning of the 4th qtr. so really they had prevent d on.
 
He should make them come in today and run no day off this week. Yes I am being real make them come in and run till they puke the Oline for sure or he can make them watch how they protected they will make them puke I know it made me. I take up for these guys every week no matter how bad they play but man it is getting hard to shift through the crap and defind what they did. If it were the Giants, Bears or some team like that then it wouldn't be hard to take those are better teams but the Titans we should have beat.
 
PocketAces said:
Carr sucks, it is a shame that even when Sage steps in and shows that this offense can move the ball without throwing one yard passes every down. Carr is done!!! I was rooting for the guy, but he is a choke artist. VY 1 rushing TD, 1 passing TD, no mistakes! Sage 3 TD's and 1 int that should be credited to AJ. Sorry fellas, Carr is done long live Sage! Oh Sage AVG 10.3 yards per pass, David Carr had 7.5 yards per pass. And Sage does not sit in the pocked and pat the ball for 5 min he rolls and moves when he feels pressure. I am not trying to piss you Carr fans off but the facts are facts, we have the best chance to win with Sage!
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I agree, that used Carr sucked since the franchise started and supposed to have a QB rating of 97? What the hell? Kubes say "He is a David Carr guy"....LmAo. Hey Kubes, put that broke Carr in the garage with Super Mario for the next 3 years on his contract....Ha!:fireball:
 
Wow, these were some crazy posts to read through, but I'm going to try to be the voice of reason here and let some of you see how my brain works. Here are some various points we really need to look at because they are relevant to the future of this franchise and our QB:

1) Those of us who are saying that DC did not support the team or Sage is incorrect. I thought the same thing and was just as pissed off as you all until I heard his interview this morning on 610. David said that it was the toughest thing that he ever went through (being pulled) and that he was supporting Sage and the team and not trying to feel sorry for himself. They specifically asked him about the camera only showing him with his hands hanging on his shoulder pads and looking like he was sulking and he said that's not how it was. He said that he was high-fiving Sage when he came off the field and that there was technical difficulties with the radios and that's why he was staying away from Kubes, so he could hear the play and Kubes could get the play out to the QB. So, I was corrected as well about him sulking on the sideline.

2) Sage did look better than Carr. I have supported Carr just as much as the next guy, but I know what my eyes saw and there was a different player back there today that put up 3 tds against a defense that gave Carr trouble all day. I saw times where Sage stepped up or to the side in the pocket and avoided pressure where I felt Carr would have probably taken a sack in that same situation. I would start Sage next week, but it's not my job to make those calls and my job also doesn't hang in the balance of these crazy decisions.

3) For those of us who are screaming to bench Carr, we need to look at this scenario. I am not saying that this team thinks that Carr is the answer for the future. However, if we bench him at this point, there will probably be no one who will give us a first round pick for him. Yes, I still think he's worth that to some team out there. If we let him play this year out, keep good stats, his trade value will stay high and we may be able to get a high first vs. a 2nd or 3rd if he becomes a back-up for the rest of the year. I don't know what they are going to do, but I have to trust them in their vision of the "big picture" because they know a lot more than I do.

I understand that our patience is getting thin. I was screaming at the TV yesterday and was hollering at David the whole time just as many of you were probably doing the same thing. I agree that we need to expect/demand better out of our team that we pay for. Having said that, I also feel that this organization expects just as much or more than we do as fans. This isn't one of those owners that wants to put a mediocre product on the field and sucker us into believing that this is the best that they can do while he pockets the money that he could have spent of free agents and high draft picks. For those of you who are threatening to stop following this team, you need to remember what it was like when we didn't have a home team to cheer for anymore. To this day, I am still scared that Mr. McNair will throw his hands up at all of the booing fans and say, "forget it. I tried to give you something to cheer for and tried to build a winning franchise and all you can do is complain and boo."
 
Most people on this board think that Carr is the worst QB in the league (not me).

If so, then how could we get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him?
 
bah007 said:
Most people on this board think that Carr is the worst QB in the league (not me).

If so, then how could we get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him?
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We can't. He's that restaurant you see for sale on Hempstead Highway. Who the hell is going to pay for someone else's cash flow nightmare?
 
kingh99 said:
We can't. He's that restaurant you see for sale on Hempstead Highway. Who the hell is going to pay for someone else's cash flow nightmare?
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I know.

The Carr bashers are standing up & saying the usual stuff.
"Carr sucks"
"He's horrible"

"Now lets trade him for a 1st or 2nd rounder so we can get something from him."

That is kind of conflicting.

If he is really as bad as you say he is, then nobody would give us anything for him.
 
bah007 said:
I know.

The Carr bashers are standing up & saying the usual stuff.
"Carr sucks"
"He's horrible"

"Now lets trade him for a 1st or 2nd rounder so we can get something from him."

That is kind of conflicting.

If he is really as bad as you say he is, then nobody would give us anything for him.
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You just never know.....what did we give up for PBurnt again?
 
Sage came in the game and the Texans looked 100% better -- Sage was composed back in the pocket and made excellent pass after excellent pass.

Had Sage started the Texans would have won the game.

Hopefully if Boobiak has any sense and does start Carr he will be on a very short leash. Otherwise he is just being stubborn and costing our team wins.
 
Mr teX said:
I wish we'd just start Sage so these *****s waiting for this moment see that Sage is no better than DC. What DC is decent at Sage is garbage at & what Sage is decent at DC is garbage at. It's all just a trade off. If Sage becomes the starter & gets killed & starts to fumble & throw INT's then what will all you guys say?

Our O-line is and always was our problem, which is why i was pleased with what Kubes did in the draft with Spencer & Winston. He at least acknowledged it was the source of the problem (unlike Capers & co.). I don't see how people can just outright jump on DC when it has been proven that if the guy has time he can succeed.
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I agree, the entrenched starter is always better than a little known backup that was drafted low.

Signed,

Tom Brady
 
michaelm said:
Signed,

Brad Johnson
Rich Gannon
Jake Delhomme
Trent Green


P.S. We've all been in a Superbowl... three of us started, one of us won it...


Oh, and on the garbage stats thing... that's just nonsense... Sage almost pulled out that game.
BTW, this is the very first post where I haven't defended DC. I have been behind him 100% in every single debate on this subject... he emabarrassed me today.
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Yes. This has been brought to my attention, numerous times. Its just that people always want to look for the cinderella story when in most cases, it does not go that way. Sure, some QB's that were thought to be backups are really good. But others are not. Generally speaking, backups are backups for a reason.

I dont know about the garbage stats thing. But whenever Carr puts up good stats in the second half they end up being garbage stats.
 
All of the "but poor little Carr has a bad offensive line, that's why he's ineffective" talk should cease NOW. Sage came in and played behind the same horrible line, against the same defensive pressure from the same team and was far more effective. Carr--4 sacks, 2 fumbles, 1 INT, OTD....Sage--0 sacks, 0 fumbles, 1 INT, 3 TDs.
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You make a great point.

You know, if it's working, why mess with it? It doesn't matter why...it just is.

So keep on with what's working. But, NO! Back to Carr. We'll see.....
 
Goatcheese said:
It's obvious that Sage has better pocket presence. What he doesn't have is better GAME presence. I sat there screaming at my TV for them to hurry up and stop wasting time, but Sage calmly wasted over a minute of clock and ultimately killed any chance for a comeback. Kubiak is partly to blaim for the poor clock management, but alot of it rests on Sage. You don't throw to the middle of the field with 3 mins left and down by 2 scores. You don't stand behind the center with 11 seconds left before the 2 minute warning and stare at the clock.

If they managed the clock better we could have gotten the ball back with atleast 1 minute left and some chance to move downfield. They didn't and we lost.

Another thing I don't like about sage is his accuracy. It seemed like every single pass was over thrown, underthrown, thrown behind the reciever or thrown out of their reach. AJ, Moulds and Daniels made some amazing catches on poorly thrown balls or Sage doesn't get all this praise. He just never seemed to hit his recievers in stride where they could make a play.

You can attribute Sages INT to his poor accuracy as he placed it behind AJ and he couldn't get around on it to make the catch. Should he have caught it? Absolutely! But Sage didn't help him any.

What did I like about Sage? As many have pointed out he has great pocket presence and moves around to avoid the presure like T.Brady. He is far and away superior to Carr here. Being poised in the pocket has alot to do with how defenses play against you. Carr was rattled by the preasure the Titans brought, so they came with more. Sage avoided the presure and kept looking down field trying to make a play and forced the titans to back off some.

He made some clutch throws and looked good at times, especially in the red zone and on the sideline pass to AJ.

His stats were very good, but some of you are over looking very important aspects of how he racked them up. When you're down late in the fourth quarter with 1 time out and need multiple scores the middle of the field is going to be open, alot. Why? Because they don't want you to gain yardage and stop the clock. They will give you the middle every time if it means you're going to burn 30+ seconds per play. This was ultimately what killed us.

I'm glad Kubiak is willing to hold everyone accountable and has the confidence in himself to bench the teams franchise quarter back. But I'm also glad Kubiak has the confidence in Carr to put him back out there after letting him know that his performance was unacceptable this week. It's important not just to Carr, but to the entire team to show that everyone is accountable for their play. No one can slack off and coast through the season like we've seen in the past or this coaching staff will make a change.

It's a shame that a change at the QB position has overshadowed some great play from the rest of the team today. Mario sacked VY, we held them to under 200 yards of offense, only gave up 2 scores on defense, the running game really clicked today, etc. I left the game with more hope for this season than I had going in despite the loss. Why? Because we outplayed them, badly. I felt like after the game was over we could sit back and say "We beat ourselves today." What went wrong today was mistakes, and that can be fixed.

Carr should be motivated after this experience and get in sync with the rest of the team next week against NY. There are alot of positives for this team right now and having a good backup QB in Sage is one of them.
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nicely put
 
I guess I'll throw my two cents in on this one. I usually try to avoid this subject because it's beaten to death on a weekly basis, but I think this is getting ridiculous.

1. Comments on Carr skulking like a child. How hypocritical. You want him to watch the game and take something away from it. How is he going to do that if he's talking to everyone else? Did it ever occur to anybody that those shots of him were taken when the offense was on the field. How can he support Sage when he's on the field or any of the other guys on offense for that matter. Ever think they didn't focus on him when the defense was out there because he's not a part of that defense.

2. Carr only had one bad game. This is false he also had a horrible game at Dallas. Anyone wanna really know why he struggled so much yesterday it should be clear. He put all the pressure on himself. He wanted to win those games too much. He put all the pressure on himself and couldn't relax. He probably forced every pass because he thought they were the best bet before the ball was snapped. Every other game he seems more relaxed and let's the play develop and takes what the defense gives him. He needs to stop trying to live up to expectations and just do his damn job. Every game is the same do your job that's all there is too it. Don't treat any game as if it's special don't worry about having to win it because they're the old Houston team or their the other team in Texas. Just do what you're supposed to do and everything else will take care of itself.

3. Sage played better than Carr yesterday. Yeah I gotta agree with this. However that's not a leap of the imagination as Carr just plain sucked yesterday. It's easy to make comparison's on the same day and come away with an impression, but only a half to make a judgement is too soon. You wanna know why I think Sage did better than Carr yesterday. It all boils down to simple logic really. Sage was relaxed he wasn't wound up as tight as Carr was. He came in and just did his job. He didn't put any extra pressure on himself. I would like to see Sage play more before I make a judgement on if he's a better overall QB, but yesterday he was. The reason I say this is I've yet to see Sage pass on the roll outs on the move.

In closing I think alot of people need to calm down and realize that Sage is still the veteran here. Of course he's going to have more poise he's had more time to perfect it behind various other QB's in different situation's. He's never had to bear all the fan bases expectations so it's easier for him to relax. Carr's had five yrs. under pressure so he doesn't know how to relax. I dunno how Kubiak plans to fix this, but Carr has all the tools and after five yrs. one would think he'd be used to the pressure, but nobody really knows what goes on inside his head. I say start him next week and if he messes up pull him again for a longer period and give Sage some time as the starter. Then give Carr another shot at starting and see if that does something for him. Carr's problems are in his head I say give him till the end of the season and then make an educated guess on the situation.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I guess I'll throw my two cents in on this one. I usually try to avoid this subject because it's beaten to death on a weekly basis, but I think this is getting ridiculous.

1. Comments on Carr skulking like a child. How hypocritical. You want him to watch the game and take something away from it. How is he going to do that if he's talking to everyone else? Did it ever occur to anybody that those shots of him were taken when the offense was on the field. How can he support Sage when he's on the field or any of the other guys on offense for that matter. Ever think they didn't focus on him when the defense was out there because he's not a part of that defense.

2. Carr only had one bad game. This is false he also had a horrible game at Dallas. Anyone wanna really know why he struggled so much yesterday it should be clear. He put all the pressure on himself. He wanted to win those games too much. He put all the pressure on himself and couldn't relax. He probably forced every pass because he thought they were the best bet before the ball was snapped. Every other game he seems more relaxed and let's the play develop and takes what the defense gives him. He needs to stop trying to live up to expectations and just do his damn job. Every game is the same do your job that's all there is too it. Don't treat any game as if it's special don't worry about having to win it because they're the old Houston team or their the other team in Texas. Just do what you're supposed to do and everything else will take care of itself.

3. Sage played better than Carr yesterday. Yeah I gotta agree with this. However that's not a leap of the imagination as Carr just plain sucked yesterday. It's easy to make comparison's on the same day and come away with an impression, but only a half to make a judgement is too soon. You wanna know why I think Sage did better than Carr yesterday. It all boils down to simple logic really. Sage was relaxed he wasn't wound up as tight as Carr was. He came in and just did his job. He didn't put any extra pressure on himself. I would like to see Sage play more before I make a judgement on if he's a better overall QB, but yesterday he was. The reason I say this is I've yet to see Sage pass on the roll outs on the move.

In closing I think alot of people need to calm down and realize that Sage is still the veteran here. Of course he's going to have more poise he's had more time to perfect it behind various other QB's in different situation's. He's never had to bear all the fan bases expectations so it's easier for him to relax. Carr's had five yrs. under pressure so he doesn't know how to relax. I dunno how Kubiak plans to fix this, but Carr has all the tools and after five yrs. one would think he'd be used to the pressure, but nobody really knows what goes on inside his head. I say start him next week and if he messes up pull him again for a longer period and give Sage some time as the starter. Then give Carr another shot at starting and see if that does something for him. Carr's problems are in his head I say give him till the end of the season and then make an educated guess on the situation.
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I'll be one of the first to admit that my emotions got the better of me, and I wanted change for the sake of change, but I am a bit calmer now.
I agree with what you're saying here. I think DC should be the starter until the end of the year. If the running game has some productivity like it has, maybe he will start to have faith in it and not think he has to win games by himself...
 
I've stayed away from these boards for a few days, because I knew it was going to be crazy here. Its not a secret that Im not a David Carr fan. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Its not a secret that I have been calling for Rosenfels to get a CHANCE to start since the beginning of preseason. However, I don't understand the fans that are taking joy in David Carr's failures of this past Sunday. I found the entire ordeal to be gut wrenching. I don't want Carr to fail, I don't want the texans to lose, and I don't want the offense to look completely incompetent. I want to watch winning football. For all the stats that are being dragged out, for all the comparisons of Sage vs. David, I just have one question for you guys. At the time David was pulled, did ANYBODY think we had a chance to win the game? Did anybody feel like the Texans had a legitimate shot? Now when Sage drove for the last touchdown before the onside kick, did ANYBODY doubt that if we recovered, we stood a very strong chance of winning? I don't care about completion percentages vs. prevent defenses, I'll leave it to Vinny and others to dissect the game into its finest technically precise points. All I know is how I felt as a fan, and for the first time in awhile i felt HOPE. Teams in the NFL are going to trail at some point in a game, its pretty much inevitable. What seperates this team under Carr as opposed to this team under Sage is that at least for me, Sage gave me hope. Right now, I feel like when David starts against the Giants, we don't have a chance. Any given sunday need not apply here, we are just not going to get it done. I hope we do..i hope we win out every game from now on, soul to the devil be damned. I feel like if we fall behind, we never recover and you CANT feel that way about your offense and your team, its just downright horrible. We as fans don't necessarily need to win all the time, or even most of the time. I feel like our soul as fans thrives on hope, and its the responsibility of the staff to give us that. Hope that we can pull out a win when the going gets tough, hope that our team is progressing in the right direction, and hope that as a franchise we will eventually be able to hold our own with the other teams in the league as our equals. Now most people were realistic about our season, i personally predicted 4-12 or 5-11, but we all knew this wasn't a playoff year. However some games you should win just out of pride. We should beat the tennessee titans, and we should show up against the Dallas Cowboys. These are the games with intense, personal meaning to us fans, and they are talked about for years to follow. We deserve to have hope in these games. Gary is our coach, and its his perogative to start or bench whomever he chooses, and sports management degree aside, im not in much of a position to criticize, but I know that the Sage Rosenfels experience made me happy as a fan, and the David Carr Debacle made me feel like most sundays during the season have during the past 5 years.
 
Dr. Toro said:
DC deserves some chances to win a competition and earn that spot. He's been great at times, but often his play is inexcusably bad. It's his job to lose. I like that Kubiak has made it clear that he can lose the job. I'm also glad that Kubiak is holding him responsible for the sacks... you can read the scouting reports from Fresno and they say the same thing that everybody sees now, he holds onto the ball too long and doesn't have a good feel for the pass rush. I wish DC the best and hope he can get better. At the same time I am happy Kubes is creating an atmosphere centered on accountability and production. He's made it clear that some things aren't acceptable.

All that being said, Sage looked like a very capable QB. He threw two perfect balls to AJ, the TD pass was beautiful and the ball to the corner of the endzone was impressive. The Titans were giving us the underneath stuff, but he did show the ability to hti a few seams down the field. May the best man win.
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Well said - on all that. Carr's coaches at Fresno and the previous staff in Houston hold a lot of the responsiblity for allowing DC to go four years in the NFL with the same bad habits. Years one to four were spent standing still or going backwards. This has to be looked at as year one - for everybody.

Rosenfels is a great backup - but you can't proclaim him the Chosen One on the back of one good half. Maybe he is capable of starting, but maybe he's not. Carr has earned his place this season and the team is JUST now starting to look like a team. Our defense is stepping up and restricting the yardage, our running game is starting to actually produce. It's madness to change things around when they're starting to work. Sure - if DC throws away a few more games then bench him and give Sage a chance. But he's been good. 94.3% QBrat. Andre Johnson leads the league in receptions and yards. I know they're just stats but they come from performances.
 
swtbound07 said:
Its not a secret that I have been calling for Rosenfels to get a CHANCE to start since the beginning of preseason.

All I know is how I felt as a fan, and for the first time in awhile i felt HOPE. Teams in the NFL are going to trail at some point in a game, its pretty much inevitable. What seperates this team under Carr as opposed to this team under Sage is that at least for me, Sage gave me hope. Right now, I feel like when David starts against the Giants, we don't have a chance. Any given sunday need not apply here, we are just not going to get it done.
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I'm not in the David Carr camp either, but.....

1st game of the season. Philly, when Glen Earl knocked that ball free, and Shatnee Orr picked it up, and ran it to the Hizzy... I had hope...

it got called back for a penalty.

Then David took off, got the corner, and picked up the first down with his feet.... I had hope.

But he stepped out of bounds.

Then Andre took off for the Corner, David put it up.... I had hope..

a defender knocked it out of the air.

When David threw three TDs in the 4th Qtr of the Indy game..... I had hope.

When David hit Aj three times in a row to move us down the field against Washington..... they couldn't stop us.... I had hope.

When we beat Miami, I had hope.

When we went into the half against Dallas up 6-3, I had hope.

When we beat Jacksonville, I had hope.

When we basically had our way against Tennessee, and stopped TravisWho??, I had hope.
 
swtbound07 said:
I've stayed away from these boards for a few days, because I knew it was going to be crazy here. Its not a secret that Im not a David Carr fan. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Its not a secret that I have been calling for Rosenfels to get a CHANCE to start since the beginning of preseason. However, I don't understand the fans that are taking joy in David Carr's failures of this past Sunday. I found the entire ordeal to be gut wrenching. I don't want Carr to fail, I don't want the texans to lose, and I don't want the offense to look completely incompetent. I want to watch winning football. For all the stats that are being dragged out, for all the comparisons of Sage vs. David, I just have one question for you guys. At the time David was pulled, did ANYBODY think we had a chance to win the game? Did anybody feel like the Texans had a legitimate shot? Now when Sage drove for the last touchdown before the onside kick, did ANYBODY doubt that if we recovered, we stood a very strong chance of winning? I don't care about completion percentages vs. prevent defenses, I'll leave it to Vinny and others to dissect the game into its finest technically precise points. All I know is how I felt as a fan, and for the first time in awhile i felt HOPE. Teams in the NFL are going to trail at some point in a game, its pretty much inevitable. What seperates this team under Carr as opposed to this team under Sage is that at least for me, Sage gave me hope. Right now, I feel like when David starts against the Giants, we don't have a chance. Any given sunday need not apply here, we are just not going to get it done. I hope we do..i hope we win out every game from now on, soul to the devil be damned. I feel like if we fall behind, we never recover and you CANT feel that way about your offense and your team, its just downright horrible. We as fans don't necessarily need to win all the time, or even most of the time. I feel like our soul as fans thrives on hope, and its the responsibility of the staff to give us that. Hope that we can pull out a win when the going gets tough, hope that our team is progressing in the right direction, and hope that as a franchise we will eventually be able to hold our own with the other teams in the league as our equals. Now most people were realistic about our season, i personally predicted 4-12 or 5-11, but we all knew this wasn't a playoff year. However some games you should win just out of pride. We should beat the tennessee titans, and we should show up against the Dallas Cowboys. These are the games with intense, personal meaning to us fans, and they are talked about for years to follow. We deserve to have hope in these games. Gary is our coach, and its his perogative to start or bench whomever he chooses, and sports management degree aside, im not in much of a position to criticize, but I know that the Sage Rosenfels experience made me happy as a fan, and the David Carr Debacle made me feel like most sundays during the season have during the past 5 years.
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I agree and do believe that there are players feeling the same thing, especially if they review the entire game again.
 
I'm tired as a fan of devoting my Sunday afternoons to watch a game ... just to be disapointed . I know Dave's improving ... we're 4-19 the last two years .

In the process of elimanation , to troubleshoot our woes one guy gets a pass . Its always the OL,WR,coaching,or scheme .

I don't buy Dave's B.S standup guy crap " I wish I could play'em without pads " if you'd played with pads we'd have won easily . Talk and a nickle will buy a piece of gum thats it .

I'm almost over this ... its like a stomach virus .
 
swtbound07 said:
For all the stats that are being dragged out, for all the comparisons of Sage vs. David, I just have one question for you guys. At the time David was pulled, did ANYBODY think we had a chance to win the game? Did anybody feel like the Texans had a legitimate shot?
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Of course I did. It was a 14-3 game when Sage took his first snap. Lundy already had over 100 yards with 12:30 left in the 3rd. We were moving the ball at will against them, but there was a team-wide foot shooting conspiracy going on... David was a big part of that, no doubt, but if we'd just played an average, clean NFL game from that point on, I have no doubt whatsoever that we WOULD have won that game... unfortunately, even after Sage came in, we didn't play that clean game, or he would have won it too.
 
Hookem Horns said:
... and what has Carr had?? Great completion %? Sure, who wouldn't if your average attempt was 2 yards?

Most of Carr's "great" stats have come AFTER the game was well in hand by the other team.
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???????
David Carr 6.9 Yards/Att
Sage Rosenfels 7.1 Yards/Att

All Sage's stats have come when the game was out of hand. Sage made some nice plays Sunday, but make no mistake he was throwing agianst a prevent defense.
 
Sage had opportunities to win the starting QB position in Miami when everyone in the league knew that they needed someone at the position badly. He looked great in pres-season there, he came off the bench a few times there and looked great.... Why didn't he win out the position???

'Cause its like the 6th man in basketball, or a releif pitcher coming in early for the starter that was struggling. It happens in football too....
 
Texan_Bill said:
Sage had opportunities to win the starting QB position in Miami when everyone in the league knew that they needed someone at the position badly. He looked great in pres-season there, he came off the bench a few times there and looked great.... Why didn't he win out the position???
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They went with Culpepper. Worked great, didn't it? Now Harrington starts for them. Since taking over he's led them to an 0-3 record and played poorly. Somehow I think they would be willing to give Sage a look right about now.
 
Just three miles from the rest stop,
She slams on the brakes,
She says "I tried to be but I'm not, so could you please collect your things?"

She said "while you were sleeping i was listening to the radio and wonderin' what you were dreamin' when it came to mind that i didn't care..."
 
Titan "Tack" Fan;485842 said:
Just three miles from the rest stop,
She slams on the brakes,
She says "I tried to be but I'm not, so could you please collect your things?"

She said "while you were sleeping i was listening to the radio and wonderin' what you were dreamin' when it came to mind that i didn't care..."
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What do old Matchbox 20 songs have to do with this discussion?
 
Tale Gator said:
Sage came in the game and the Texans looked 100% better -- Sage was composed back in the pocket and made excellent pass after excellent pass.

Had Sage started the Texans would have won the game.

Hopefully if Boobiak has any sense and does start Carr he will be on a very short leash. Otherwise he is just being stubborn and costing our team wins.
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I walked away for a few days to get some perspective but you know reading these posts reminded me of one thing. We didn't see just 2 Qs of sage. We won the 3 preseason games he played. We lost the one david carr played.

The evidence is mounting i just hope Kubes is not blinded by the $8 million decision to keep carr.

I also am thinking Sage is special. Kinda does remind me of tom brady. Spencer Tilman said the same thing and like i said it also in preseason.

Now i hear some of you saying preseason blick. But have we ever gone 3-1 in preseason no. Go back look @ them. Carr was rushed sloppy no pocket presense blah blah in his pre season starts ...watching carr in Aug or oct they all look the same

Also you all act like he had one bad game. I think you need to start couting because there have been DC fumbles in almost every game this season. some times 2 and three times. Other than Jacksonville last week. I think he's been pretty bad in every game this season. I find myself complaining and yelling about him every week.
 
I agree DC, is damaged goods, if we would of picked a decent O-Line, and started Banks in the first year, and let DC grow like McNair did with the Oilers, he might of been the QB, we all wanted, but 5 years is long enough, it is either now or never, I am sorry DC is not responding to Kubiak like he is supposed too. We need a new QB, if we want the play offs.
 
Sage was blitzed by the Titans no more than 4 times and that was with a 5 man rush. The Titans played vanalla when Sage came in. I re-watched the game just to see how he did and he did well almost pre-season like. Our tackles should be on a bus out of town. Salaam was horrible and Weigert wasn't much better. Winston play well at LT on the last drive in place of Salaam who I think was benched also. I am no David Carr fan but on the INT into quad coverage he did not see it he was getting hit low and should have taken the sack. On the first fumble he was hit backside by Wiegerts man as Vanden Bosh. Wiegert ole'd on the block and should've held him to save his QB. On the second fumble Carr was hit by Salaams man LaBoy and Wiegerts man Vanden Bosh at the same time causing the fumble. I believe 3 player were benched Carr, Salaam and Sheppard and if we had another tackle Wiegert would have been #4.
 
RT2 said:
Sage was blitzed by the Titans no more than 4 times and that was with a 5 man rush.
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David Carr's first fumble was on a four man rush. His second was on a five man rush.

& that INT..... what's wrong with throwing it away??
 
thunderkyss said:
that INT..... what's wrong with throwing it away??
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David made a perfect throw into triple coverage. If you watch the footage you will see that it would have landed right in his hands if that fourth man in coverage hadn'tve made a play on the ball. David made a calculated error when he made the throw in that he did not think the fourth man would pick up on it, but he did.

I wonder if someone was wide open on the other side of the field, though....
 
TexansLucky13 said:
David made a perfect throw into triple coverage. If you watch the footage you will see that it would have landed right in his hands if that fourth man in coverage hadn'tve made a play on the ball. David made a calculated error when he made the throw in that he did not think the fourth man would pick up on it, but he did.

I wonder if someone was wide open on the other side of the field, though....
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That was a nice throw..... I believe if he had put more zip on it, and less air, he would have beat ChrisHope, and AJ would've caught that ball.

but I was asking the question to the guy who said David should've took the sack on that one.

& there was no one else in the field. AJ was the only option.
 
RT2 said:
Sage was blitzed by the Titans no more than 4 times and that was with a 5 man rush. The Titans played vanalla when Sage came in. I re-watched the game just to see how he did and he did well almost pre-season like. Our tackles should be on a bus out of town. Salaam was horrible and Weigert wasn't much better. Winston play well at LT on the last drive in place of Salaam who I think was benched also. I am no David Carr fan but on the INT into quad coverage he did not see it he was getting hit low and should have taken the sack. On the first fumble he was hit backside by Wiegerts man as Vanden Bosh. Wiegert ole'd on the block and should've held him to save his QB. On the second fumble Carr was hit by Salaams man LaBoy and Wiegerts man Vanden Bosh at the same time causing the fumble. I believe 3 player were benched Carr, Salaam and Sheppard and if we had another tackle Wiegert would have been #4.
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The two Carr fumbles were against a 4 man rush. If you go back and watch the plays, Carr drops back and sits while the edge rushers get shoved right into him. A few steps up like he's supposed to do and that doesn't happen. I am no QB coach but I would think once you see the edge rushers disappear from your periph then you might want to scooch up some.
 
Carr is a bum and his sidearm throwing motion has got to go. I predict that he will be benched after the Giants game. The guy hasn't produced at all since he's been here! We need to adress this in the draft.
 
DeclanJr said:
Carr is a bum and his sidearm throwing motion has got to go. I predict that he will be benched after the Giants game. The guy hasn't produced at all since he's been here! We need to adress this in the draft.
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This year is going to be Carr's last chance to prove he's the man for this team, but until the year's over, I'm all for experimentation at the QB position; we all know this is a rebuilding season as Kubiak desperately tries to undo Caper's damage.
 
I got it!!!

Carr has a great passing percentage but he fumbles too much, so all we need to do is having him take a 1 step drop and fire away! It's just like what that genious Pendry wanted him to do! :rolleyes:
 
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