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Keep Rosenfels as the STARTER!!

Texans34Life

Texans34Life

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I like his style of play compared to Carr's. He seems to be more poised in the pocket, doesn't do the short dump-offs, doesn't stare at the receivers, and has a bit more zip in his pass compared to Carr's. He actually takes a chance.

Kubiak, KEEP HIM AS THE STARTER!!!!
 
Goldeagle said:
Sage had garbage time stats.
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... and what has Carr had?? Great completion %? Sure, who wouldn't if your average attempt was 2 yards?

Most of Carr's "great" stats have come AFTER the game was well in hand by the other team.
 
Sage had 186 yards in a QUARTER AND A HALF. 3 TDS. And he doesn't look scared. You can have the million dollar Yugo who throws into triple coverage.
 
This was Carr's first really bad game. I think it'll be interesting to see what comes out of Texans practice this week. I can see points made from both sides.
 
It's amazing how many stat fans we have...can't you guys just see the difference in the offense and forget the stat line? Stats are just a way to measure variables. Throwing most of your passes underneath and having no feel for the rush don't show up on the qb ratings (well, that's not true - a billion short passes actually pump them up). Rosenfels didn't put his blockers in poor positions and he actually threw down field into coverage. Throw out the stats and trust your eyes people.
 
Rosenfels > Carr + VY

Nuff said.

Sage proved a lot today. My goodness. I'd seen him look really good before. But today was just something else.
 
Goldeagle said:
Garbage stats, thats all I heard, and now you people will here it.
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Look, it seems you are a Carr supporter. Well, it's time to get off the bandwagon.

It's been 5 years and he has not been the QB we need for this team. Sage showed today he can take a chance. Garbage stats, my ass.
 
Vinny said:
It's amazing how many stat fans we have...can't you guys just see the difference in the offense and forget the stat line? Stats are just a way to measure variables. Throwing most of your passes underneath and having no feel for the rush don't show up on the qb ratings (well, that's not true - a billion short passes actually pump them up). Rosenfels didn't put his blockers in poor positions and he actually threw down field into coverage. Throw out the stats and trust your eyes people.
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I couldn't agree more. Rosenfels looks like a starting calibur QB, meanwhile Carr looked like an inexperienced back up.
 
Vinny said:
It's amazing how many stat fans we have...can't you guys just see the difference in the offense and forget the stat line? Stats are just a way to measure variables. Throwing most of your passes underneath and having no feel for the rush don't show up on the qb ratings. Rosenfels didn't put his blockers in poor positions and he actually threw down field into coverage. Throw out the stats and trust your eyes people.
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Don't you know anything vinny? W's don't matter, as long as we have the QB with the Xth highest passer rating. Stats are life.


:rolleyes:
 
profan said:
bs, this game was not near over when he came in. he has a stronger arm, makes better decisions, and was a much better qb today. DC lost this game.
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Say what you want about Carr except that he has a weaker arm than Sage. Carr has one of the strongest arms in the league.
 
I love how Sage moves around in the pocket compared to Carr. There were a couple times today where Sage avoided sacks that Carr would have taken. Oh, and he didn't fumble the ball twice and throw a pick into .... quintuple coverage in front of the end zone. Sage came pretty close to cleaning up Carr's mess, if only Kubiak would've given him the mop sooner.

No QB controversy here. I think we all know who's gonna start next week.
 
IS this yet another lesson by Kubiak? Does he do this to challenge Carr and see if he can come back? Kinda at that point where he can go to the promised land or carry a clipboard?
 
DC got pulled for a reason. DC fumbled the ball twice and threw into quaduple coverage, what did you expect would happen?

So, you think it was garbage time. Name one defensive starter the Titans pulled?

If nothing else, Sage earned the chance to start one game. And, thats all he'll need.

:redtowel:
 
well, he may have a stronger arm throwing against air, but in game time, many of carrs long passes end of being short. Sage left nothing short today, and put the ball where only our recievers should make the catch. He was the best qb on the field out of both teams.
 
I agree, keep Sage as the starter. David Carr is not a leader, point blank! We've seen the same old story so many times, texans go down 10 pts, game over. When has David Carr ever lead his team from behind?? When things aren't going well, David hangs his head and has this lost look on his face. We dont need this from our QB!!! The QB should be the leader of the team, Peyton never hangs his face and looks lost...neither did Vince! I mean Sage may not be the answer, but neither is David Carr. We might as well see what we have in Sage, we already know Carr is not the answer.
 
I agree, keep Sage as the starter. For now. And let's see where it takes us.

What do we have to lose? More losses?

I'm glad the coach is taking a chance and showing leadership.
 
Sage has historicaly been a back up and has not done well as a starter. However, I'm not sure he played in this type of offense and it may just suit him real well. Moves around well enough, reads the defense pretty well and throws it well. May just have been a question of a QB not being in a system that works for him. Guess we will see.
 
IshouldbeGM said:
I agree, keep Sage as the starter. David Carr is not a leader, point blank! We've seen the same old story so many times, texans go down 10 pts, game over. When has David Carr ever lead his team from behind?? When things aren't going well, David hangs his head and has this lost look on his face. We dont need this from our QB!!! The QB should be the leader of the team, Peyton never hangs his face and looks lost...neither did Vince! I mean Sage may not be the answer, but neither is David Carr. We might as well see what we have in Sage, we already know Carr is not the answer.
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Realistically, sadly but not true. David Carr lead the Texans to a come from behind win. It was 2 years ago during Thanksgiving weekend against this very same team. Nov 28, 2004. Houston won 31-21.
 
Vinny said:
It's amazing how many stat fans we have...can't you guys just see the difference in the offense and forget the stat line? Stats are just a way to measure variables. Throwing most of your passes underneath and having no feel for the rush don't show up on the qb ratings (well, that's not true - a billion short passes actually pump them up). Rosenfels didn't put his blockers in poor positions and he actually threw down field into coverage. Throw out the stats and trust your eyes people.
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I gotta agree with Vinny here. I've been the biggest Carr supporter there is on this board, but I was honest with myself and saw things with Sage that I've never seen Carr do.
 
I have gone out of my way to give Carr the benefit of the doubt and even defend him. He is done in my book. I hope Kubiak keeps Sage in until he loses the starting job.

If Sage doesn't do well we are going to have a losing season anyway and we should draft a new QB.

Carr is a great family man, good in the community, nice as can be and has a great deal of physical talent. He just can't win here in Houston. Perhaps somewhere else he will become a pro-bowler and lead a team to a superbowl, but I have zero confidence in him.

Sage played a fantastic game and made Carr look like a bumbling fool. Kubiak was right to bench him. I hope Carr stays benched and is traded for some picks. Dallas needs a good QB as does Miami and a couple of other teams.

I think we can get at least a fourth and maybe a third round pick for him at the end of the season.
 
Rosenfels had garbage stats? Are you serious? So had the Texans got the onside kick and the TD to win would that still have been garbage?

So that's now how it went down, but Rosenfels did look better out there than Carr did. This is what Carr needed... some competition. And though it has only been 1 game, the guy has lookd more poised than Carr in all the games he has started this season.
 
Okay, I am just about at the end of my rope. Kubiak just named Carr the starter for next week. This team, and these coaches have pushed me right to the edge. IS this some kind of test - testing my patience and loyalty? Rosenfels is the CLEAR starter next week, yet Kubes names Carr as the starter this soon? Gimme a break coach. I am so mad I am spitting nails. :crying:
 
Texans34Life said:
I like his style of play compared to Carr's. He seems to be more poised in the pocket, doesn't do the short dump-offs, doesn't stare at the receivers, and has a bit more zip in his pass compared to Carr's. He actually takes a chance.
:yikes:

No lets start the janator
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David Carr had a really bad game. Carr being benched was 100% warranted and Im glad Kukiak did it.

But seriously, it was one bad game. He is not perfect. Do not set the bar so high, because he will never be a Peyton Manning. But DC is a good quarterback in my opinion and has a chance to bring his game to another level eventually.

Stop being so negative and wait to make judgement at the end of the season. If his consistency level drops and we dont have at least 5 wins, then you can talk crap. Until then shut up and let Kubiak try to fix the mental lapses DC still faces.

(I am not related to DC)
 
Big J said:
David Carr had a really bad game. Carr being benched was 100% warranted and Im glad Kukiak did it.

But seriously, it was one bad game. He is not perfect. Do not set the bar so high, because he will never be a Peyton Manning. But DC is a good quarterback in my opinion and has a chance to bring his game to another level eventually.

Stop being so negative and wait to make judgement at the end of the season. If his consistency level drops and we dont have at least 5 wins, then you can talk crap. Until then shut up and let Kubiak try to fix the mental lapses DC still faces.

(I am not related to DC)
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Carr has 60 fumbles in 67 career starts. That's almost one per game. This is his 5th freakin year. Ya, let's have some patience right? Eventually he will learn and become a good QB right? How many of those 67 starts has Carr thrown three TD passes? Gimme a break. Carr has been given the benefit of the doubt so many times it's beyond ridiculous. I'm past the end of my rope. We as fans deserve, and frankly, should demand better. How can our voices be heard? Can we mount a phone and/or email campaign to voice our displeasure. Because I am telling the Texans now. Nobody is more loyal than me. But even I don't have unlimited amounts of patience. Five years of garbage is enough. Sage showed enough today to start next week. After that, then we can make a real and true evaulation. If they insist on continuing down this road, I am going to have to rethink my extreme fandom.
 
Lets take a look at how the Carr haters have been and why Im just shaking my head at a few of you people. And by all means, please feel free to shake your head back at me and others like me, its the internet lol


CARR

Hes been sacked over 200 times :DAVIDS FAULT

More dropped passes than any other QB: DAVIDS FAULT

Defense gives up 500 yards in each of the first 3 games: DAVIDS FAULT!

Charlie Casserly makes a comment that it will take 3 years to develop an OL so he wont draft one: DAVIDS FAULT

Gaffney, and Bradford Carrs #1 but mostly #2 and 3 are not in the league: DAVIDS FAULT! (though I think Gaffney is "finally" on with the Patriots"

Wells, David Carrs first RB not in the league :DAVIDS FAULT

9-11 happens:: Well, Im sure Osama Bin Carr had a plan in it


I would not mind the Carr haters on this game, but its been the start of this year and last year that makes me not believe in the Houston fan. You cry wolf long enough....
 
DC deserves some chances to win a competition and earn that spot. He's been great at times, but often his play is inexcusably bad. It's his job to lose. I like that Kubiak has made it clear that he can lose the job. I'm also glad that Kubiak is holding him responsible for the sacks... you can read the scouting reports from Fresno and they say the same thing that everybody sees now, he holds onto the ball too long and doesn't have a good feel for the pass rush. I wish DC the best and hope he can get better. At the same time I am happy Kubes is creating an atmosphere centered on accountability and production. He's made it clear that some things aren't acceptable.

All that being said, Sage looked like a very capable QB. He threw two perfect balls to AJ, the TD pass was beautiful and the ball to the corner of the endzone was impressive. The Titans were giving us the underneath stuff, but he did show the ability to hti a few seams down the field. May the best man win.
 
Big J said:
David Carr had a really bad game. Carr being benched was 100% warranted and Im glad Kukiak did it.

But seriously, it was one bad game. He is not perfect. Do not set the bar so high, because he will never be a Peyton Manning. But DC is a good quarterback in my opinion and has a chance to bring his game to another level eventually.

Stop being so negative and wait to make judgement at the end of the season. If his consistency level drops and we dont have at least 5 wins, then you can talk crap. Until then shut up and let Kubiak try to fix the mental lapses DC still faces.

(I am not related to DC)
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Agreed! Carr has been making good progress up until today, this was a disaster across the board. Special teams giving up a retund for a TD, blocked FG, poor blocking, Carrs butter fingers. Last week gave people false imnpressions of how far this team has come under Kubiak. We are moving forward but there are going to be some serious growing pains along the way
 
Goldeagle said:
Lets take a look at how the Carr haters have been and why Im just shaking my head at a few of you people. And by all means, please feel free to shake your head back at me and others like me, its the internet lol


CARR

Hes been sacked over 200 times :DAVIDS FAULT

More dropped passes than any other QB: DAVIDS FAULT

Defense gives up 500 yards in each of the first 3 games: DAVIDS FAULT!

Charlie Casserly makes a comment that it will take 3 years to develop an OL so he wont draft one: DAVIDS FAULT

Gaffney, and Bradford Carrs #1 but mostly #2 and 3 are not in the league: DAVIDS FAULT! (though I think Gaffney is "finally" on with the Patriots"

Wells, David Carrs first RB not in the league :DAVIDS FAULT

9-11 happens:: Well, Im sure Osama Bin Carr had a plan in it


I would not mind the Carr haters on this game, but its been the start of this year and last year that makes me not believe in the Houston fan. You cry wolf long enough....
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And the line threw a ball into quadruple coverage, while locking onto one receiver. The line gave up 4 sacks with Carr in the game, but somehow didn't give up a single sack with the backup in. I guess the line only hates Carr and loves Rosenfels. I guess it was a line conspiracy when Carr fumbled twice in key situations. I thought I saw Chester Pitts run back and strip the ball. Well, you have convinced me. Great points.
 
I am one of the biggest carr:homer:s on this board and i still have confidence in him but one cant help to wonder how sage would do starting a full game.
 
When Carr gets back to throw - Who knows what hes going to do? Its aggravating to watch him! Even the simplest throws are scary.
 
Porky said:
Carr has 60 fumbles in 67 career starts. That's almost one per game. This is his 5th freakin year. Ya, let's have some patience right? Eventually he will learn and become a good QB right? How many of those 67 starts has Carr thrown three TD passes? Gimme a break. Carr has been given the benefit of the doubt so many times it's beyond ridiculous. I'm past the end of my rope. We as fans deserve, and frankly, should demand better. How can our voices be heard? Can we mount a phone and/or email campaign to voice our displeasure. Because I am telling the Texans now. Nobody is more loyal than me. But even I don't have unlimited amounts of patience. Five years of garbage is enough. Sage showed enough today to start next week. After that, then we can make a real and true evaulation. If they insist on continuing down this road, I am going to have to rethink my extreme fandom.
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Get's my vote for the emptiest threat of the day award. Good Job!:shoot:
 
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