Kareem Jackson's plight.

[Carr Bombed]

You wrote him (Myers) off, period.
You bombed!

Please don't try to rewrite anything.
Go back and reread your own posts!

I don't have to go back and read my posts, because I know exactly what I said...and yes I DID WRITE HIM OFF (as did the majority of this board). Now what does that have to do with revisionist history and acting like the guy was playing good football at that time?

Guess what, He was playing some REAL shitty football at the time and deserved to be "written off". I didn't "bomb" on anything...he simply succeeded, but what's the chance that lightning strikes twice? LOL, you better hope it does or it will be you who will "BOMB".

lol, I'll never feel ashamed or be upset if a Texan player "proves me wrong" (if I'm criticizing his crappy play), because it means MY TEAM improved and I'm always down with that. If it makes you feel better I hope to Christ that Kubiak and even Kareem Jackson prove me wrong as well. Don't see it happening, but I sure as hell hope so..because again, it means my team has a brighter future.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't have to go back and read my posts, because I know exactly what I said...and yes I DID WRITE HIM OFF (as did the majority of this board). Now what does that have to do with revisionist history and acting like the guy was playing good football at that time?

Guess what, He was playing some REAL shitty football at the time and deserved to be "written off". I didn't "bomb" on anything...he simply succeeded, but what's the chance that lightning strikes twice? LOL, you better hope it does or it will be you who will "BOMB".

Well, that's a possibility. That he was playing poorly then all of a sudden got better. OR, maybe you & everyone else on the board was wrong.

I've always argued (and it wasn't just me) that Chris Myers was doing what he was supposed to be doing & it was actually the pieces around him that needed improvement.

I remember taking a little slack, for suggesting that Chester Pitts was probably our worse lineman.

Maybe I was wrong, that could happen, & Chris just got better in that time, much better.

Truth be told he is playing better now than he has, but not by as much as what you & many others think.

So I'll give you that. Chris has gone from "not worthy of being on an NFL team" to "possible pro bowl/all pro candidate"

Back to Kareem. I don't believe he is playing as poorly as some are saying. Rey is probably most correct in saying it's his apparent lack of play-making ability that begs to question why he is starting.

I don't know that he'll ever be a pro-bowler or an all-pro. But soon, I believe he'll be earning his spot at CB2. Of course that means he'll have to get better, right now, his biggest weakness is consistency. Once he gets that settled, & the game slows down for him (because you can tell it's still a little too fast), then he'll start making plays.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Well, that's a possibility. That he was playing poorly then all of a sudden got better. OR, maybe you & everyone else on the board was wrong.

I've always argued (and it wasn't just me) that Chris Myers was doing what he was supposed to be doing & it was actually the pieces around him that needed improvement.

I remember taking a little slack, for suggesting that Chester Pitts was probably our worse lineman.

Maybe I was wrong, that could happen, & Chris just got better in that time, much better.

Truth be told he is playing better now than he has, but not by as much as what you & many others think.

So I'll give you that. Chris has gone from "not worthy of being on an NFL team" to "possible pro bowl/all pro candidate"

Back to Kareem. I don't believe he is playing as poorly as some are saying. Rey is probably most correct in saying it's his apparent lack of play-making ability that begs to question why he is starting.

I don't know that he'll ever be a pro-bowler or an all-pro. But soon, I believe he'll be earning his spot at CB2. Of course that means he'll have to get better, right now, his biggest weakness is consistency. Once he gets that settled, & the game slows down for him (because you can tell it's still a little too fast), then he'll start making plays.

Whoa whoa buddy, pump the brakes lol While he has developed (and no he hasn't always played at his current level), he isn't close to the probowl and isn't remotely close to "all pro" status.

* And before you accuse me of being a hater, for argument sake, let's say I'm wrong about this too......guess who isn't wrong? Mr. Pouncey and Mr. Mangold...the two players Myers will have to beat out on a yearly basis in his own conference. Sorry, but I don't see that happening.

 

[Rey]

Did Kareem get taken out of the line up after the first series?

I know he got beat, but dang.

 

[jtexas]

Did Kareem get taken out of the line up after the first series?

I know he got beat, but dang.

We haven't seen any long pass plays completed so its safe to assume he isn't out there.

 

[thunderkyss]

Did Kareem get taken out of the line up after the first series?

I know he got beat, but dang.

He got beat three times back to back to back. I know one of those was another play where allowing the reciver to get behind him was absolutely inexcusable. If he was benched, & I think he was, good call.

 

[foo82]

Hm. I keep thinking Kareem would make a good Safety. He doesn't react well with his back to the ball, but man can he tackle well.

Allen made some plays, but he gave up a few as well. I just wish he had Kareems tackling abilities.

 

[Wolf]

Most NFL ready corner .. Great agent he has

 

[HJam72]

His agent should fire him.

 

[GP]

He got beat three times back to back to back. I know one of those was another play where allowing the reciver to get behind him was absolutely inexcusable. If he was benched, & I think he was, good call.

100% agree. He just does not have "the length" to be a CB.

Jason Allen can stride out and match WRs as they run down the field (that's the "length" I am talking about. KJ has no first burst, no make-up speed, and no ball awareness.

And I think I'm being fairly kind in staying objective. I could have said he plays like ****, he sucks, and he shouldn't be in a CB role at all...I could have said that, but I didn't. I am thinking it, but I won't say it.

 

[GP]

Most NFL ready corner .. Great agent he has

Agent: "These are not the Cornerbacks you are looking for."

Gary Kubiak: "Rick, Frank, He's right...these AREN'T the Cornerbacks we are looking for."

:jedimindtricks:

 

[76Texan]

He got beat three times back to back to back. I know one of those was another play where allowing the reciver to get behind him was absolutely inexcusable. If he was benched, & I think he was, good call.

That's not true, TK.
Jackson was targeted twice in that series.

On one of them, actually on both of them he was right there!
I will post the screen shots when I have some time.

Personally, I think the PI was iffy. Looks more like incidental contact to me.
Jackson had inside position; the receiver tried to step in front of him.
I don't think a receiver is allowed to do that.
When two guys are rubbing neck and one guy tries to step to one side over the other; I don't see how you can avoid contact.
But let go ahead and accept the PI, that's OK with me.

I just want to point out that the receiver did not get past KJ; it was the contact that gave him a little separation at the end.


KJ was in step with receiver on the other pass along the side line.
There was no chance for a completion.

Rey, IMO, you are grasping at straw when you said they pulled KJ because of that PI.

Overall, KJ played in more series and more snaps than Allen.

The three series Allen played in were the three longest drives for the Tacks (48, 20, and 66 yards.)

The 7 series KJ played in (not counting the last series where the Tacks gained 4 yards to run out the game), the Tacks gained 10 total yards.
If you want to add that 30 yard PI, it comes up to 40 yards total.

And no, Allen didn't defend that long pass on the seam route (with the safety defending the post route.) The receiver dropped that ball. Also, it wasn't the best pass Hasselbeck could have thrown; it was a little high over the shoulder pad (slightly underthrown where the receiver has to alligator-arm the catch instead of out front where the receiver can extend the arms to catch the ball away from his body.) This one could have easily been a 45-50 yard catch.
Allen was not credited for a pass defended, and rightfully so.

Compare with the 51yd catch to T. Smith in the Ravens game, this one is a much easier play to defend where the CB knows that he has deep safety help over the middle (the post route). All he has to worry about is the seam route and the corner route.

I haven't criticized Allen yet since the regular season started.
I don't call for him to be benched or pulled every time he had an underwhelming moment.
And I'm not going to start now; I will just let the play on the field justify Wade's decision on who to play.
(I'm seeing KJ continue to start and play more than Allen; it's not simply my opinion, it's what's been happening; KJ played in 8 series and 27 snaps; Allen played in 3 series and 21 snaps. Allen didn't register anything on the stat sheet; he could have two tackles, but he missed both.)

 

[Rey]

That's not true, TK.
Jackson was targeted twice in that series.

On one of them, actually on both of them he was right there!
I will post the screen shots when I have some time.

Personally, I think the PI was iffy. Looks more like incidental contact to me.
Jackson had inside position; the receiver tried to step in front of him.
I don't think a receiver is allowed to do that.
When two guys are rubbing neck and one guy tries to step to one side over the other; I don't see how you can avoid contact.
But let go ahead and accept the PI, that's OK with me.

I just want to point out that the receiver did not get past KJ; it was the contact that gave him a little separation at the end.


KJ was in step with receiver on the other pass along the side line.
There was no chance for a completion.

Rey, IMO, you are grasping at straw when you said they pulled KJ because of that PI.

Overall, KJ played in more series and more snaps than Allen.

The three series Allen played in were the three longest drives for the Tacks (48, 20, and 66 yards.)

The 7 series KJ played in (not counting the last series where the Tacks gained 4 yards to run out the game), the Tacks gained 10 total yards.
If you want to add that 30 yard PI, it comes up to 40 yards total.

And no, Allen didn't defend that long pass on the seam route (with the safety defending the post route.) The receiver dropped that ball. Also, it wasn't the best pass Hasselbeck could have thrown; it was a little high over the shoulder pad (slightly underthrown where the receiver has to alligator-arm the catch instead of out front where the receiver can extend the arms to catch the ball away from his body.) This one could have easily been a 45-50 yard catch.
Allen was not credited for a pass defended, and rightfully so.

Compare with the 51yd catch to T. Smith in the Ravens game, this one is a much easier play to defend where the CB knows that he has deep safety help over the middle (the post route). All he has to worry about is the seam route and the corner route.

I haven't criticized Allen yet since the regular season started.
I don't call for him to be benched or pulled every time he had an underwhelming moment.
And I'm not going to start now; I will just let the play on the field justify Wade's decision on who to play.
(I'm seeing KJ continue to start and play more than Allen; it's not simply my opinion, it's what's been happening; KJ played in 8 series and 27 snaps; Allen played in 3 series and 21 snaps. Allen didn't register anything on the stat sheet; he could have two tackles, but he missed both.)

76, three things:

Go back and comprehend what I said. I never said anything about him getting pulled because of the penalty. You are grasping at straws.

2nd, Allen did defend the deep pass. The receiver dropped it because Allen was right on his back and grabbed his arm. You credit Kareem for "being close" but when Allen is making plays you belittle what he did.

Last, your kj stuff is getting a little creepy. How it's not obvious to you that he is a liability is kind of strange.

You tear Allen down and build Kareem up, yet Allen is taking more of kareem's snaps. That alone should be a big clue. If sorry ass Allen is taking some of your playing time, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Mr teX]

I love ya 76, but this thread needs to die.

yesterday matt hasselbeck looked over, saw KJ & immediately went deep on him........... twice. Matt Freakin' Hasselbeck dude. It may as well have been Chad Pennington. That doesn't bode well for him.

The other thing is that he got pulled for Jason Allen & Brice McCain in spots...in which case McCain got a pick 6.

It's official, he's a bust & i look for him to last on this roster for probably 1 more year b4 they get the memo & release him.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Hm. I keep thinking Kareem would make a good Safety. He doesn't react well with his back to the ball, but man can he tackle well.

Allen made some plays, but he gave up a few as well. I just wish he had Kareems tackling abilities.

I don't know if KJ would make a good safety or not, but I do know I'd rather see KJ playing safety than Keo. For all of his faults KJ is a better defender than Keo.

 

[dinkatoid]

It's official, he's a bust & i look for him to last on this roster for probably 1 more year b4 they get the memo & release him.

I think this is a bit of an over reaction there. I know he has not been good, but there are a few things to consider. I am sure most of us can agree, last year did not do him any favors. I am not sure it was even a learning experience, as I feel he got sold out by bad coaching and left to flounder.

This is the first year (of his NFL career) he actually had a real coach try to improve him as a corner. For all practical purposes, he probably started this year worse than when he came into the NFL. However, he has shown the ability to play well in spurts, and tackle well, so there is hope. Every rookie will struggle, and after last season, I imagine Jackson has it worse than most rookies - they get to start with a clean slate, he has the nightmares of last season.

When Wade came in here, he talked about his Kareem's technique was not good at all, and they have been working on it I am sure. Maybe Wade can work his magic and make him a decent CB#2 in time. I personally am OK waiting till next season (when he has a full off season with the coaches) to see where he is and if he is still growing to pass any judgement on the situation.

That being said, I am not saying he is going to be our CB#2 of the future or that he is a good corner. All I am saying is that he has shown some improvement, and since we do not have much of a choice anyway, keep letting him see some game action.

 

[Mr teX]

I think this is a bit of an over reaction there. I know he has not been good, but there are a few things to consider. I am sure most of us can agree, last year did not do him any favors. I am not sure it was even a learning experience, as I feel he got sold out by bad coaching and left to flounder.

This is the first year (of his NFL career) he actually had a real coach try to improve him as a corner. For all practical purposes, he probably started this year worse than when he came into the NFL. However, he has shown the ability to play well in spurts, and tackle well, so there is hope. Every rookie will struggle, and after last season, I imagine Jackson has it worse than most rookies - they get to start with a clean slate, he has the nightmares of last season.

When Wade came in here, he talked about his Kareem's technique was not good at all, and they have been working on it I am sure. Maybe Wade can work his magic and make him a decent CB#2 in time. I personally am OK waiting till next season (when he has a full off season with the coaches) to see where he is and if he is still growing to pass any judgement on the situation.

That being said, I am not saying he is going to be our CB#2 of the future or that he is a good corner. All I am saying is that he has shown some improvement, and since we do not have much of a choice anyway, keep letting him see some game action.

I expect to see Harris challenging him next year & if he shows any improvement i think KJ will be downgraded to special teams that year with Allen & Harris taking the majority of snaps at #2 cb. I think McCain has shown enough to warrant being our nickel guy from here on out.

Basically the only way i see him staying on this team past next year if they retain him for special teams, that's it.

 

[thunderkyss]

I expect to see Harris challenging him next year & if he shows any improvement i think KJ will be downgraded to special teams that year with Allen & Harris taking the majority of snaps at #2 cb. I think McCain has shown enough to warrant being our nickel guy from here on out.

Basically the only way i see him staying on this team past next year if they retain him for special teams, that's it.

I bet no one will catch a ball on Kareem Jackson come week 11. He'll totally shut everybody down.

Shut down Corner baby, shut down corner.

 

[dinkatoid]

I bet no one will catch a ball on Kareem Jackson come week 11. He'll totally shut everybody down.

Shut down Corner baby, shut down corner.

If he gets benched or injured, you will be correct!

 

[HTown2ATX]

I bet no one will catch a ball on Kareem Jackson come week 11. He'll totally shut everybody down.

Shut down Corner baby, shut down corner.

BTW...I get that it is a BYE week....but still.....it's KJ dude.....he'll find a way to get burned.

KJ being burned and bum play calling by Kubes are typically 2 thing you can bank on.

 

[76Texan]

Did Kareem get taken out of the line up after the first series?

I know he got beat, but dang.

So what exactly did you mean by this?
I am not sure I understand your comment there.

 

[76Texan]

Allen did defend the deep pass. The receiver dropped it because Allen was right on his back and grabbed his arm. You credit Kareem for "being close" but when Allen is making plays you belittle what he did.

No, the ball bounced off the receiver before Allen got there.
Go rewatch it; Allen was beat on that play.
He was behind all the way until the receiver bobbled that ball.
A throw out front and/or slightly toward the inside and Allen would have no chance whatsoever.

We can give him credit for being close enough to prevent the receiver from recapturing the ball; but again, hoping for our CB to get lucky to defend a pass is not a good strategy.
I'm not tearing Allen down; I'm only describing what happened on the field.
You can say that Allen recovered and took opportunity of a poor pass and catch not to let the receiver has a chance at recapturing the ball; I would agree to that.

Remember that I gave Allen credit for the INTs (even though others like TK suggested that they were scheme related and that Allen was at the right place at the right time.)

 

[76Texan]

Last, your kj stuff is getting a little creepy. How it's not obvious to you that he is a liability is kind of strange.

You tear Allen down and build Kareem up, yet Allen is taking more of kareem's snaps. That alone should be a big clue. If sorry ass Allen is taking some of your playing time, you're doing it wrong.

Obviously we have disagreement about KJ's ability.

But enough of he says, she says...

I will just continue to analyze the plays and let Wade decide on who to play and when.
You are certainly entitled to your own take, just like anybody and everybody.

 

[Vinny]

Last, your kj stuff is getting a little creepy. How it's not obvious to you that he is a liability is kind of strange.

76 couldn't find a Jackson Fathead, so he pinned a piece of toast to the wall. When his Mother saw the toast, he told her the black parts weren't burned, it was supposed to be that way.

 

[TwistedGnarl]

So what exactly did you mean by this?
I am not sure I understand your comment there.

Well then, you should probably write a three page long post defending Kareem Jackson's play.

Here's something that everyone but you seems to realize: KJ and Allen are both not very good. For each, their play ranges between terrible and mediocre. Every single time someone points out a play where Jackson performed terribly, you counter that with four pages of examples where Jackson's play was mediocre and Allen's play was terrible and count that as 'evidence' toward whatever point it is you are trying to make.

CB#2 is the weakest position on our defense and, SURPRISE, is occupied by the two weakest players on the defense. Needs to be upgraded. Move on.

 

[HJam72]

KJ is a good corner....when he doesn't fall down....or almost fall down....which is rare...

 

[76Texan]

I love ya 76, but this thread needs to die.

yesterday matt hasselbeck looked over, saw KJ & immediately went deep on him........... twice. Matt Freakin' Hasselbeck dude. It may as well have been Chad Pennington. That doesn't bode well for him.

The other thing is that he got pulled for Jason Allen & Brice McCain in spots...in which case McCain got a pick 6.

It's official, he's a bust & i look for him to last on this roster for probably 1 more year b4 they get the memo & release him.

Jackson played the first two series (5yd and 3yd drives for the Tacks), then Allen played the next two (48yd and 20yd drives), then KJ came back for the last series of the half (minus 3 yd.)

KJ then playd the first series of the second half (10yd).

So for a while there, it looks like Wade might have come back to each playing 2 series.

But then Allen took his turn on the next series, and the Tacks scored their lone TD on their longest drive of the day (66yd).

KJ played the rest of the way (4 more drives, including the last one where the Tacks merely run two plays while conceding the game.)

...
Now, you can say that the opposing QB tries to go after KJ.
You can also say that they didn't come back there (testing him deep) after a couple of tries.
One of those tries were well defended; and the other (I strongly suspect) was incidental contact and not a PI.

...

Another note when I went back and watched the games.
Allen was the one that the Texans send a safety over to help the most often.
In the off-season, I can show you all the screen shots of how the D line up on each play (I have most of them already, I just don't know if I have time to upload them to photobucket.)

 

[76Texan]

Well then, you should probably write a three page long post defending Kareem Jackson's play.

Here's something that everyone but you seems to realize: KJ and Allen are both not very good. For each, their play ranges between terrible and mediocre. Every single time someone points out a play where Jackson performed terribly, you counter that with four pages of examples where Jackson's play was mediocre and Allen's play was terrible and count that as 'evidence' toward whatever point it is you are trying to make.

CB#2 is the weakest position on our defense and, SURPRISE, is occupied by the two weakest players on the defense. Needs to be upgraded. Move on.

Most everybody was wrong about Chris Myers.
I was among the minority to say that he was far from being the weak link on the O-line.
Just because the mass thinks a certain way doesn't make them right!

Hardly nobody gave Foster a chance as an UDFA to even make the team.
I was pretty much the lone supporter of his from the start.

The list goes on and on...

 

[Vinny]

KJ is a good corner....when he doesn't fall down....or almost fall down....which is rare...

if you don't know what you are looking at, Kareem Jackson's play is fine.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Most everybody was wrong about Chris Myers.
I was among the minority to say that he was far from being the weak link on the O-line.
Just because the mass thinks a certain way doesn't make them right!

Hardly nobody gave Foster a chance as an UDFA to even make the team.
I was pretty much the lone supporter of his from the start.

The list goes on and on...

^ True.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61234&highlight=arian

 

[thunderkyss]

Most everybody was wrong about Chris Myers.
I was among the minority to say that he was far from being the weak link on the O-line.
Just because the mass thinks a certain way doesn't make them right!

I'll vouch for you on this one. People were saying a lot of things, & I think you, like me, began to study the games & see exactly why Kubiak kept trotting him out there. The answer was simple. He was the only one doing his job consistently well for much of his first two seasons here. It took time before everyone else fell in line. Now, the whole line looks purty damn good.

Hardly nobody gave Foster a chance as an UDFA to even make the team.
I was pretty much the lone supporter of his from the start.

I'm not going to be able to back this one up. Just about everyone wanted to see Foster instead of Chris Brown & Steve Slaton. If Jeremiah Johnson wasn't on IR, we'd have wanted to see him as well.

The list goes on and on...

There aren't many players that get the ire of Texans' fans like Myers & Kareem. The only others I can think of is Buchannon, Babin, TJ (who I tried to defend..), Okoye (who I also tried to defend), & Dunta (but if it weren't for the pay me Rick stuff, there would still be a lot of delusional fans thinking he deserves a pro bowl berth).

I was right on Dunta, the injury made it easier because he was never the same after that. The one thing he brought, he couldn't any more. I was wrong (evidently) on Babin, TJ, & Okoye (sort of, I never said he was a 1st round DT, but worthy of a playing time).

 

[foo82]

That's not true, TK.
Jackson was targeted twice in that series.

On one of them, actually on both of them he was right there!
I will post the screen shots when I have some time.

Personally, I think the PI was iffy. Looks more like incidental contact to me.
Jackson had inside position; the receiver tried to step in front of him.
I don't think a receiver is allowed to do that.
When two guys are rubbing neck and one guy tries to step to one side over the other; I don't see how you can avoid contact.
But let go ahead and accept the PI, that's OK with me.

I just want to point out that the receiver did not get past KJ; it was the contact that gave him a little separation at the end.


KJ was in step with receiver on the other pass along the side line.
There was no chance for a completion.

Rey, IMO, you are grasping at straw when you said they pulled KJ because of that PI.

Overall, KJ played in more series and more snaps than Allen.

The three series Allen played in were the three longest drives for the Tacks (48, 20, and 66 yards.)

The 7 series KJ played in (not counting the last series where the Tacks gained 4 yards to run out the game), the Tacks gained 10 total yards.
If you want to add that 30 yard PI, it comes up to 40 yards total.

And no, Allen didn't defend that long pass on the seam route (with the safety defending the post route.) The receiver dropped that ball. Also, it wasn't the best pass Hasselbeck could have thrown; it was a little high over the shoulder pad (slightly underthrown where the receiver has to alligator-arm the catch instead of out front where the receiver can extend the arms to catch the ball away from his body.) This one could have easily been a 45-50 yard catch.
Allen was not credited for a pass defended, and rightfully so.

Compare with the 51yd catch to T. Smith in the Ravens game, this one is a much easier play to defend where the CB knows that he has deep safety help over the middle (the post route). All he has to worry about is the seam route and the corner route.

I haven't criticized Allen yet since the regular season started.
I don't call for him to be benched or pulled every time he had an underwhelming moment.
And I'm not going to start now; I will just let the play on the field justify Wade's decision on who to play.
(I'm seeing KJ continue to start and play more than Allen; it's not simply my opinion, it's what's been happening; KJ played in 8 series and 27 snaps; Allen played in 3 series and 21 snaps. Allen didn't register anything on the stat sheet; he could have two tackles, but he missed both.)

I notice a lot of times, he's not exactly getting beat badly. It's just that he has almost no awareness of where the ball is at. Too often he is not able to disrupt the pass because he is too focused on the receiver.

 

[foo82]

I love ya 76, but this thread needs to die.

yesterday matt hasselbeck looked over, saw KJ & immediately went deep on him........... twice. Matt Freakin' Hasselbeck dude. It may as well have been Chad Pennington. That doesn't bode well for him.

The other thing is that he got pulled for Jason Allen & Brice McCain in spots...in which case McCain got a pick 6.

It's official, he's a bust & i look for him to last on this roster for probably 1 more year b4 they get the memo & release him.

It's way too early for a corner to be labeled a bust.

 

[Vinny]

It's way too early for a corner to be labeled a bust.

two years of awful play can be labeled as a player who isn't playing well however. Just because you don't want to call him a bust shouldn't make one live in a state of denial.

 

[Rey]

So what exactly did you mean by this?
I am not sure I understand your comment there.

No, the ball bounced off the receiver before Allen got there.
Go rewatch it; Allen was beat on that play.
He was behind all the way until the receiver bobbled that ball.
A throw out front and/or slightly toward the inside and Allen would have no chance whatsoever.

We can give him credit for being close enough to prevent the receiver from recapturing the ball; but again, hoping for our CB to get lucky to defend a pass is not a good strategy.
I'm not tearing Allen down; I'm only describing what happened on the field.
You can say that Allen recovered and took opportunity of a poor pass and catch not to let the receiver has a chance at recapturing the ball; I would agree to that.

Remember that I gave Allen credit for the INTs (even though others like TK suggested that they were scheme related and that Allen was at the right place at the right time.)

My point was that you give credit to KJ for "being close", but when Allen is actually making physical contact with a receiver as he tries to haul in a pass you just give it the ol' "meh"...

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jason+Allen+Houston+Texans+v+Tennessee+Titans+2_LDXvq3eh0l.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jason+Allen+Houston+Texans+v+Tennessee+Titans+zOB9uLteIBAl.jpg

It took a really good throw and would have taken an eaually good catch...Allen was able to be enough of a disturbance to stop the completion...

I do not think Allen is a good player. He's not good really. BUT he is taking away snaps from Kareem...Doesn't speak well for Kjax...

 

[thunderkyss]

I notice a lot of times, he's not exactly getting beat badly. It's just that he has almost no awareness of where the ball is at. Too often he is not able to disrupt the pass because he is too focused on the receiver.

He had a very bad rookie season & people are still holding that against him. His play has been much better this year, not starting #2 CB yet, but I think Wade believes he will get there.

 

[76Texan]

My point was that you give credit to KJ for "being close", but when Allen is actually making physical contact with a receiver as he tries to haul in a pass you just give it the ol' "meh"...

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jason+Allen+Houston+Texans+v+Tennessee+Titans+2_LDXvq3eh0l.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jason+Allen+Houston+Texans+v+Tennessee+Titans+zOB9uLteIBAl.jpg

It took a really good throw and would have taken an eaually good catch...Allen was able to be enough of a disturbance to stop the completion...

I do not think Allen is a good player. He's not good really. BUT he is taking away snaps from Kareem...Doesn't speak well for Kjax...

I don't think you're desperate, but why would you bring up pictures from a different game to defend this play.

18 Kenny Britt is currently injured and didn't play in the game.

The receiver who beat Allen was #17 D. Williams.
The ball actually bounced off William's shoulder pad; it was not a good throw at all.

 

[dinkatoid]

I notice a lot of times, he's not exactly getting beat badly. It's just that he has almost no awareness of where the ball is at. Too often he is not able to disrupt the pass because he is too focused on the receiver.

Maybe his best friend growing up was Jacque Reeves who taught him everything he knows? I think I can fix this issue then. As suggested with Reeves, promote Jackson to team captain, so he gets a radio in his helmet. Then Wade can yell when to turn around

 

[76Texan]

I notice a lot of times, he's not exactly getting beat badly. It's just that he has almost no awareness of where the ball is at. Too often he is not able to disrupt the pass because he is too focused on the receiver.

There are time to locate the ball, and there are time to play the earlobe/eyes of the receiver.

 

[foo82]

two years of awful play can be labeled as a player who isn't playing well however. Just because you don't want to call him a bust shouldn't make one live in a state of denial.

seriously. How long would you say it takes most corners to acclimated to the NFL level? Most people would agree on 3 years. How long has it been so far?

1.5 years.

How can you label someone as a bust when it is barely half the time it takes to start showing your actual worth?

 

[b0ng]

Most everybody was wrong about Chris Myers.
I was among the minority to say that he was far from being the weak link on the O-line.
Just because the mass thinks a certain way doesn't make them right!

Hardly nobody gave Foster a chance as an UDFA to even make the team.
I was pretty much the lone supporter of his from the start.

The list goes on and on...

None of this has any effect on whether Kareem Jackson is a bad corner. Mostly because Kareem Jackson is a bad corner, not if Chris Meyers is good at Center, or if Arian Foster was a good UDFA pickup.

EDIT: And Kareem still has no deep speed whatsoever. If a WR gets a step on Jackson, he will be open.

 

[Rey]

I don't think you're desperate, but why would you bring up pictures from a different game to defend this play.

18 Kenny Britt is currently injured and didn't play in the game.

The receiver who beat Allen was #17 D. Williams.
The ball actually bounced off William's shoulder pad; it was not a good throw at all.

The picture I posted of Britt shows Allen getting burned so that was not in defense of Allen.

The website I went to had those two plays in sequence and I didn't think to check the jersey numbers...I just assumed it was the same play...

But the second picture clearly shows Allen Grabbing the recievers arms preventing any chance of a completion...Bobbled ball or otherwise...

But I am not here to defend Allen...He's not good overall...We need a real #2 corner and this defense will be exponentially better...

 

[Hervoyel]

....and Kareem Jackson falls down.


Just seemed like it was about time for that.

 

[HOU-TEX]

....and Kareem Jackson falls down.


Just seemed like it was about time for that.

.....and Allen trips over him while he's down..

 

[Errant Hothy]

.....and Allen trips over him while he's down..

...Keo would have tripped over both of them, but he wasn't even in the same zip code as KJ and Allen...

 

[HTown2ATX]

...Keo would have tripped over both of them, but he wasn't even in the same zip code as KJ and Allen...

Rep for adding Shilo....I was trying to think of a creative way to add him to the mix and you beat me to it.

 

[HOU-TEX]

I kinda like Shilo. Obviously not for his cover ability at this stage, but he ain't scared to divvy up a few slobber-knockers. If his coverage can get a bit better he'd be a decent stop-gap until Manning's able to play again.

 

[Errant Hothy]

I kinda like Shilo. Obviously not for his cover ability at this stage, but he ain't scared to divvy up a few slobber-knockers. If his coverage can get a bit better he'd be a decent stop-gap until Manning's able to play again.

KJ is a better tackler than Keo, by a factor of atleast 10. Remember all of the whiffs he has in the preseason? Keo tries to make the highlight hit all the time instead of just making the tackle. Safeties and corners cannot risk missing tackles.

Nobody in the secondary scares me more than Keo.

 

[HOU-TEX]

KJ is a better tackler than Keo, by a factor of atleast 10. Remember all of the whiffs he has in the preseason? Keo tries to make the highlight hit all the time instead of just making the tackle. Safeties and corners cannot risk missing tackles.

Nobody in the secondary scares me more than Keo.

True, he did have a rough preseason. I still like how agressive he plays and I can only assume he'll get better.

Oh, there's no doubt he's the scariest one in the secondary now. No argument there.

 

[EllisUnit]

will this thread ever die ? KJ sucks, he flat out sucks, SURE he has played better than last season BUT we have had more pressure. i have still seen him get beaten just as badly, thank god Manning and Quin have been back there to stop the play.