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Kareem > Dunta

I really felt like the defensive line was initially rushing more to "contain" McNabb than to sack him. They were afraid that they'd lose their rush lane integrity and give McNabb a big 20-30 yard run. Later in the game, it appeared they made some adjustments. They put Quinn on Cooley, went to more zone looks, and upped the pressure and started getting to McNabb.

If we attack the Cowboys like we did in the preseason, then we should get more pressure on Romo earlier.

It's good to see our team make adjustments at half time. I felt like in the past that that wasn't happening as often as it needs to.

Romo's good at hitting open receivers. He's not a threat to run so I hope they send the house at him a few times early and get him rattled. I also don't think their offensive line is what it used to be. A few linebacker / safety blitzes would really be nice too.
 
Anyone still think Kareem isn't a liability? His tackling ability is great, but he is good for at least 1 PI per game and covers about as well as Pburnt or Faggins
 
I dunno about the other 1st round corners - but Kyle Wilson looks - like a rookie out there as well. Playing CB with the big boys is just different then it was in college. KJ needs to learn - and should be a nickel corner right now.

The problem was: do you want to overpay Dunta (he wasn`t worth the money he got from Atlanta), or overpay some free agent (we didn`t have a real shot at Bodden). Most people on here were thrilled when Dunta left - I wasn`t. Not because he is a superstar, but because it made us really thin and young at CB and we had to draft one in the first round to step in right away and play. Now KJ isn`t as Pro-ready as advertised. He is a good tackler, but get burns several times each game - but he can still become a really good #1 corner, it just takes time.

The question is: do we have time? Cushing comes back pretty soon and will improve our defense. We could go in panic mode and go after an old corner and give up draft picks for him (like Champ Bailey what I read in another thread) - that would help us and I would even go as far as to say almost guarantees us a playoff spot. Or we just keep buiding through the draft...

I dunno what`s the right thing to do - as for KJ: we need to give him time - as for our defense - how about some more help for our young secondary (some exotic looks that actually work - perhaps giving Nolan a shot)?
 
I don't understand.

All this carrying on about the secondary, but if you don't disrupt the QB, how is the secondary going to make up for it?

The pass rush is the problem, not the secondary. It's basic cause and effect. Quit pinging on the effect, and put the blame on the cause. If you don't put pressure on the QB, then it doesn't matter how good the secondary is.
 
I don't understand.

All this carrying on about the secondary, but if you don't disrupt the QB, how is the secondary going to make up for it?

The pass rush is the problem, not the secondary. It's basic cause and effect. Quit pinging on the effect, and put the blame on the cause. If you don't put pressure on the QB, then it doesn't matter how good the secondary is.

I don't understand? I must have misunderstood when Manning says that he'd never been knocked down as much as he was two weeks ago. Also, that sack/pressures number against the Skins last week sure is confusing. I'll tell you what's NOT been misleading and that's our passing yards given up... it's a nice solid consistent inflated number through all three games.

*scoffs*

We have got to have the league's lowest int to passes thrown ratio even. That secondary is rancid. Has been for years.
 
I don't understand? I must have misunderstood when Manning says that he'd never been knocked down as much as he was two weeks ago. Also, that sack/pressures number against the Skins last week sure is confusing. I'll tell you what's NOT been misleading and that's our passing yards given up... it's a nice solid consistent inflated number through all three games.

*scoffs*

We have got to have the league's lowest int to passes thrown ratio even. That secondary is rancid. Has been for years.

So, you actually think they put pressure on Romo today? Do you actually think he didn't have time to throw?

You must have watched a different game when you sold your tickets to some Cowboys fan.
 
So, you actually think they put pressure on Romo today? Do you actually think he didn't have time to throw?

You must have watched a different game when you sold your tickets to some Cowboys fan.

Nope... I don't think we put very much pressure on Romo today. I think our defensive line was mismatched today. Aren't the Cowboys notorious for having big lines? Cowboys are trench people on both sides and we are not. We're still a finesse team.

Goody gumdrops! You play the bitter old man role well. I'd like to ill some good tidings onto you.

:nods head yes:
 
Nope... I don't think we put very much pressure on Romo today. I think our defensive line was mismatched today. Aren't the Cowboys notorious for having big lines? Cowboys are trench people on both sides and we are not. We're still a finesse team.

Goody gumdrops! You play the bitter old man role well. I'd like to ill some good tidings onto you.

:nods head yes:

The Cowboys have a crappy line, did you see how much pressure Washington got on them without Haynesworth?

The lack of pressure is inexcusable.
 
I don't understand.

All this carrying on about the secondary, but if you don't disrupt the QB, how is the secondary going to make up for it?

The pass rush is the problem, not the secondary. It's basic cause and effect. Quit pinging on the effect, and put the blame on the cause. If you don't put pressure on the QB, then it doesn't matter how good the secondary is.

Their QB is getting rid of the ball before a single dlineman can even get close. And just so I get this straight, you think our pro bowl Mario williams and Antonio Smith are the problem, and not our rookie and 2nd year cornerbacks?

Its basic cause and effect.
 
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Thats right. You dont understand. Their QB is getting rid of the ball before a single dlineman can even get close. And just so I get this straight, you think our pro bowl Mario williams and Antonio Smith are the problem, and not our rookie and 2nd year cornerbacks?

Its basic cause and effect.

Perfect example are the two Roy Williams TDs.

In both cases, Romo basically tosses the ball as soon as he completes his drop. Theres no need to make reads because Williams is so obviously open. He could have snapped the ball with zero offensive lineman and still scored on both those TDs. When your #1 corner completely whiffs a jam and then falls down, what chance do your pass rushers have? When it happens twice in the same game to a guy liek Roy Williams (who is horrible at escaping the jam), I think it signals a problem
 
So, you actually think they put pressure on Romo today? Do you actually think he didn't have time to throw?

You must have watched a different game when you sold your tickets to some Cowboys fan.

Really, how much pressure can you put on a guy that is taking 3 step drops the whole game which is what Romo did. The pressure was there for the colts & the skins..the problem is the secondary & honestly i think KJ needs to be relegated to nickel cb status..
 
I think that on teams with a set and established pair of corners that the nickel job is a time honored way for promising rookies to get some experience. If we had someone to play in his place at a higher level then I think that's where KJ wuold be.

I'd get aggressive in trying to land a corner and a pass rusher if I could find them. Make a trade, give up some picks, pay some millions. We are young, we have stockpiled talent, we have been frugal and careful with our spending. We have reached a point where the addition of a single player can propel us forward significantly. As evidence of this I give you the addition of Bernard Pollard last year.
 
Perfect example are the two Roy Williams TDs.

In both cases, Romo basically tosses the ball as soon as he completes his drop. Theres no need to make reads because Williams is so obviously open. He could have snapped the ball with zero offensive lineman and still scored on both those TDs. When your #1 corner completely whiffs a jam and then falls down, what chance do your pass rushers have? When it happens twice in the same game to a guy liek Roy Williams (who is horrible at escaping the jam), I think it signals a problem

Well, that's what happens when Eugene Wilson doesn't help Jackson. For some reason, he moved down over the center. They just talked about this on Dallas sports radio five minutes ago. Romo saw Wilson move up, looked at Roy, and Roy changed his route. Easy 63-yard TD score (they weren't catching Roy).
 
Perfect example are the two Roy Williams TDs.

In both cases, Romo basically tosses the ball as soon as he completes his drop. Theres no need to make reads because Williams is so obviously open. He could have snapped the ball with zero offensive lineman and still scored on both those TDs. When your #1 corner completely whiffs a jam and then falls down, what chance do your pass rushers have? When it happens twice in the same game to a guy liek Roy Williams (who is horrible at escaping the jam), I think it signals a problem

If you have the game taped, watch it again. McCain (on the second TD) is yapping at Wilson, not the official (as Aikman implies). Wilson comes off the field, & never goes back.

He whiffed on both of those. On the Kareem fall down, yes it would have been niced had he not fell.... but it is what it is.

Scheme is used to take away receivers just as much as quality corners. When the scheme says safety over the top, & your safety can't get over the top... don't blame the CBs.
 
This secondary really misses having Cushing to cover the flats and TEs. I've said this before I like Diles as a technician, but his lack of top end speed for a LBer is killing us.

I think Kareem will be fine as he gets more experience and adjusts to the speed and precision of WRs at the NFL level. The staff decided to go REALLY young at DB. I really thought they should've made an effort to go after another vet even after the CB from NE spurred our offer. Also thought it was a mistake to outright cut Reeves.
 
We let our #1 corner go because we didn't want to spend the money
Did anyone actually think our secondary would improve? Sadly, some may had actually believed that. I know Dunta handled it poorly but he should have been tendered the franchise tag again

I don't hate jackson but it's obvious he is not NFL quality. And I am having concerns over Ricks ability to draft cornerbacks. He is like 0 for 7.

If it continues badly offer raiders a 1st and jacoby and Alston and maybe a 4th for Asomoghu
 
We let our #1 corner go because we didn't want to spend the money

Did you see Dunta getting burned in Atlanta? I'm sure that will make replay, watch it.

It is at least reasonable to believe KJ will get better.

No reason to believe Dunta will.
 
KJ's coverage skills are CURRENTLY at least as good as those of DR. The advantage is that his ceiling will be higher than Dunta's.

Kareem (other than the falldown) held his own. Some people seem to believe that it's impossible to complete a pass vs. "good" coverage. It isn't. Yesterday, Romo was making all of the throws and Schaub wasn't...it's that simple.
 
I've said before that I believe Dunta developed a loser's mentality over the time he spent here, and I still believe it. It's negative impact may not be as obvious as a blown coverage (although he had those too), but it's potentially as bad or worse.

I don't believe Dunta would have turned yesterday's loss into a win, but I do think he could have turned a close - down to the wire game like Washington into a loss.
 
So, you actually think they put pressure on Romo today? Do you actually think he didn't have time to throw?

You must have watched a different game when you sold your tickets to some Cowboys fan.

I do...

We forced him to move around a lot. Early in the game they were using a lof of quick hitting routes. Even some of they're big plays were quick hitters.

The D-line did fine rushing the passer IMO. Romo rarely had to look off defenders, he rarely had to go to a second read...And when he did we were able to get pressure and make him move some.

The D-line forced an intentional grounding...I never at one point felt like Romo had all day to throw the ball. He wasn't just sitting back there comfortably reading the entire field and throwing it. No, not all all. He WAS making one or two reads and throwing it. That's on the players in the back end.

Brice McCain is not physical at all and his coverage is less than spectacular. I think he's better in Zone because he can use his quickness and instincts more. In man to man he just gets bullied. Even if he's right there with the receiver they just body him up and make the catch. I can get a humming bird to do that. Essentially Brice McCain is a humming bird.

Kareem Jackson not good right now. He is always grabbing on his facemask like his helmet doesn't fit right. He gives up far too many big plays and it doesn't appear he has the athletic ability to keep up with some of these receivers. Of course you can make up for lack of athletic ability if you have good technique, savvy and smarts...But he clearly doesn't have any of those qualities either. Right now all we have is a CB that is very physical when bringing down ball players, but couldn't cover a a grain of rice with a bead spread.

GQ is about as solid as we got. He gets beat sometimes, but overall he does a pretty good job IMO. Hasn't gotten tested as much as the other guys though. May have something to do with his skills, may have something to do with the other guys just being easier targets...Maybe a combo of both.

Our safeties....

Pollard is a good. He is not Polamalu but he is a very good SS. His coverage isn't top notch, but not many SS are great in covg. He does seem to be around more balls in the air than Wilson though.

Wilson needs to be replaced IMO. I think that good FS play can cover some of the weaknesses of lesser corners, but I have yet to see Wilson do anything this year. He is not even around the ball much. I barely see him even get to a receiver to make a tackle after a catch. When I'm watching the game it's like Pollard, Quinn and Jackson are out there by themselves because the LB's and FS are non-existent.

The LB's are normally responsible for backs and TE's. While those two positions haven't been lighting us up much in the passing game, I still think that they should be involve more in pass defense. Some of this could be the play calling, but I think that we need to get some better players there.

In a year or two, I wouldn't be surprised if Cushing and Sharpton were our Nickel LB's. Demeco has just not been an impact player when teams decide to throw the ball.

I'd like to see three changes to the defense before I determine that we will be one of the worst pass coverage teams in the NFL.

I'd like to see Troy Nolan get some snaps to see how he handles it. I'd also like to see more Molden, Less McCain. And Maybe less Jackson if Molden steps up. And Last...I'd like to see what we look like when Cush comes back.

I think those three players could potentially make us much better.
 
KJ's coverage skills are CURRENTLY at least as good as those of DR. The advantage is that his ceiling will be higher than Dunta's.

Kareem (other than the falldown) held his own. Some people seem to believe that it's impossible to complete a pass vs. "good" coverage. It isn't. Yesterday, Romo was making all of the throws and Schaub wasn't...it's that simple.

I dunno, Dunta would not have fallen down during the last Roy Williams TD play. We all know Dunta would have been trotting 5 yards behind him as he went into the end zone...
 
Dunta is gone, and we really shouldn't be wasting any time on him. I happen to agree with releasing him, but even if it wasn't the right decision we can't go back and redo it. "Time done been. Won't be no more."

Do ya'll really think Kubes/Smith didn't know that KJ was going to get burned from time to time? Of course they did. What they probably didn't count on was that Wilson would suck so bad, or that Barwin would go on IR. (btw, as reported elsewhere on TT, LZ tweets that the Schobel thing might be heating up.)

Is Wilson blowing assignments? Isn't he supposed to be experienced and not do that? Or is he suddenly too old and slow? His experience is supposed to be a plus, but doesn't count for much if he's rolling around in a wheelchair out there. Looking at the first three games, it's hard not to conclude that they might as well try Nolan, because it can't get any worse.
 
I do...

We forced him to move around a lot. Early in the game they were using a lof of quick hitting routes. Even some of they're big plays were quick hitters.

The D-line did fine rushing the passer IMO. Romo rarely had to look off defenders, he rarely had to go to a second read...And when he did we were able to get pressure and make him move some.

The D-line forced an intentional grounding...I never at one point felt like Romo had all day to throw the ball. He wasn't just sitting back there comfortably reading the entire field and throwing it. No, not all all. He WAS making one or two reads and throwing it. That's on the players in the back end.

Brice McCain is not physical at all and his coverage is less than spectacular. I think he's better in Zone because he can use his quickness and instincts more. In man to man he just gets bullied. Even if he's right there with the receiver they just body him up and make the catch. I can get a humming bird to do that. Essentially Brice McCain is a humming bird.

Kareem Jackson not good right now. He is always grabbing on his facemask like his helmet doesn't fit right. He gives up far too many big plays and it doesn't appear he has the athletic ability to keep up with some of these receivers. Of course you can make up for lack of athletic ability if you have good technique, savvy and smarts...But he clearly doesn't have any of those qualities either. Right now all we have is a CB that is very physical when bringing down ball players, but couldn't cover a a grain of rice with a bead spread.

GQ is about as solid as we got. He gets beat sometimes, but overall he does a pretty good job IMO. Hasn't gotten tested as much as the other guys though. May have something to do with his skills, may have something to do with the other guys just being easier targets...Maybe a combo of both.

Our safeties....

Pollard is a good. He is not Polamalu but he is a very good SS. His coverage isn't top notch, but not many SS are great in covg. He does seem to be around more balls in the air than Wilson though.

Wilson needs to be replaced IMO. I think that good FS play can cover some of the weaknesses of lesser corners, but I have yet to see Wilson do anything this year. He is not even around the ball much. I barely see him even get to a receiver to make a tackle after a catch. When I'm watching the game it's like Pollard, Quinn and Jackson are out there by themselves because the LB's and FS are non-existent.

The LB's are normally responsible for backs and TE's. While those two positions haven't been lighting us up much in the passing game, I still think that they should be involve more in pass defense. Some of this could be the play calling, but I think that we need to get some better players there.

In a year or two, I wouldn't be surprised if Cushing and Sharpton were our Nickel LB's. Demeco has just not been an impact player when teams decide to throw the ball.

I'd like to see three changes to the defense before I determine that we will be one of the worst pass coverage teams in the NFL.

I'd like to see Troy Nolan get some snaps to see how he handles it. I'd also like to see more Molden, Less McCain. And Maybe less Jackson if Molden steps up. And Last...I'd like to see what we look like when Cush comes back.

I think those three players could potentially make us much better.

Your assesment of the defense pretty much matches the one I was going to write but, decided instead to cut my post short.

McCain might have the speed we want, but he's too small to press, especially when he's covering the more typical slot, possession receivers.

I like Quinn, but he lacks top end speed to be an elite CB. I think he can continue to be a solid #2 or pushed to an elite nickel back.

I just have no clue what we have with Molden. Physically he's got all the tools you want.

Wonder where all the people who were saying Wilson was adequate prior to the start of the year. It's been more clear this year that he's not. Though I doubt it, I'd like to see Nolan worked into the lineup.

Pollard is real solid. Pretty much everything you want in a SS.

LBer is a problem. We obviously miss Cushing's ability to come in on a blitz and ability to cover the flats and TEs.

As I said before I like Diles as a technician, but his footspeed leaves a lot to be desired. He fits much better as a MLB, problem is Demeco is a 2 time pro-bowler there and it's difficult to move that kind of production at a position. Diles is that sort of frustrating player in that he's definitely good enough to start, but he's maxed out and you end up spending a lot to try and get someone that's good enough to replace him. In the meantime all the guy does is come in, works hard, and earns the respect of his teammates.

I also think Demeco could be just as, if not more effective, at WLB.

Adibi, I just wish this guy wouldn't get an injury at the most inopportune times. Physically what you want in a WLB.

Sharpton, impressive in TC and pre-season, but can he cover?

I think I'm with Herv on biting the bullet and looking to make a move on a veteran CB.

Otherwise it looks like the best bet for the secondary is to hope when Cushing gets back he makes as big an impact as he did last year and possibly work Nolan in.
 
Dunta is gone, and we really shouldn't be wasting any time on him.
I agree with that. I didn't agree with the handling of Dunta back in the '09 offseason. But what's done is done. It is what it is. Pick your cliché.

I do feel that we Texan fans were sold a bill of goods with the "most NFL ready" moniker Jackson was given. He's no more ready than any other rookie CB from this draft. He has talent. He will be a good NFL corner. One day. Until then, Kareem will get burned. Often. It is what it is.
 
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Your assesment of the defense pretty much matches the one I was going to write but, decided instead to cut my post short.

McCain might have the speed we want, but he's too small to press, especially when he's covering the more typical slot, possession receivers.

I like Quinn, but he lacks top end speed to be an elite CB. I think he can continue to be a solid #2 or pushed to an elite nickel back.

I just have no clue what we have with Molden. Physically he's got all the tools you want.

Wonder where all the people who were saying Wilson was adequate prior to the start of the year. It's been more clear this year that he's not. Though I doubt it, I'd like to see Nolan worked into the lineup.

Pollard is real solid. Pretty much everything you want in a SS.

LBer is a problem. We obviously miss Cushing's ability to come in on a blitz and ability to cover the flats and TEs.

As I said before I like Diles as a technician, but his footspeed leaves a lot to be desired. He fits much better as a MLB, problem is Demeco is a 2 time pro-bowler there and it's difficult to move that kind of production at a position. Diles is that sort of frustrating player in that he's definitely good enough to start, but he's maxed out and you end up spending a lot to try and get someone that's good enough to replace him. In the meantime all the guy does is come in, works hard, and earns the respect of his teammates.

I also think Demeco could be just as, if not more effective, at WLB.

Adibi, I just wish this guy wouldn't get an injury at the most inopportune times. Physically what you want in a WLB.

Sharpton, impressive in TC and pre-season, but can he cover?

I think I'm with Herv on biting the bullet and looking to make a move on a veteran CB.

Otherwise it looks like the best bet for the secondary is to hope when Cushing gets back he makes as big an impact as he did last year and possibly work Nolan in.

He had a pick in PS and looked very comfortable/natural doing it. I think he's a baller and needs to see more field time. JMHO
 
Your assessment of the defense pretty much matches the one I was going to write but, decided instead to cut my post short.


Wanted to add one more thing...

The Cowboys were running a lot of draws early in the game, and they never really let up with all the draws...They ran that throughout the game.

That is naturally going to slow down a pass rush. Especially when you are getting gashed.

The D-line now has to worry about the possibility that the QB could hand it off to the RB...That will slow them down and make them reactors instead of attackers. Even with that element I still think they did a good job of making Romo move around when he wasn't making his first read and letting it fly.

There is really not way around this. The secondary has not played well since the season started. Our pass coverage is poor. That has very little to do with the D-line getting pressure, because even when they have gotten pressure we've still been getting burned.

Two players, Quinn and Wilson have had chances at a pick six because of a bad throw, and both players have dropped the ball. Overall, they have sucked back there.
 
The officials called Zak Diles on a pass interference against Witten. Aikman says it should have been called on Kareem, that the referee made a mistake.

He is wrong. Kareem's coverage on that slant was perfect.

Diles is about 8 yards off the LOS & jams him as Witten cuts to the middle. The call should have been illegal contact. The ball was in the air, but it was directed to Austin/Jackson.
 

I don't think Dunta is as good as some of those fans think he is, but I do think we should have franchised him one more year AND taken a corner high in the draft.

That way we could have had even more competition and viable players back there and allowed the rook a year to develop without costing us big in the process. If you want to go to the play-offs for the first time, it only makes sense to make your team as strong as possible.

But oh well...what's done is done..
 
I don't think Dunta is as good as some of those fans think he is, but I do think we should have franchised him one more year AND taken a corner high in the draft.

That way we could have had even more competition and viable players back there and allowed the rook a year to develop without costing us big in the process. If you want to go to the play-offs for the first time, it only makes sense to make your team as strong as possible.

But oh well...what's done is done..

I'm asking, because I don't know, but who was teaching Asomagha the ropes? Who taught Champ?

We got burned vs Indy & Washington, but we won those games. The WR numbers against Dallas aren't that bad, especially if you take out KJ's one bad mistake (63 yards & TD). We lost, an emotional game, and we're letting that cloud our judgement.
 
I'm asking, because I don't know, but who was teaching Asomagha the ropes? Who taught Champ?

I don't know, but I don't see how that is relevant to my post you quoted. I didn't mention anyone teaching anyone the ropes. I just said that the rookie would have had a year to develop without being pressed into starting duty and costing us big in the process.

we could have had even more competition and viable players back there and allowed the rook a year to develop without costing us big in the process. If you want to go to the play-offs for the first time, it only makes sense to make your team as strong as possible.

I feel like Kareem will end up being a better cover corner for us than Dunta was, but I thought that it would have benefited the overall talent on the team to retain Dunta for at least one more year.

We got burned vs Indy & Washington, but we won those games. The WR numbers against Dallas aren't that bad, especially if you take out KJ's one bad mistake (63 yards & TD). We lost, an emotional game, and we're letting that cloud our judgement.

No, My judgement is not clouded...I was making a statement about how I felt this past off-season....

And you cannot take out a mistake...That is part of the game...

If we get to remove a mistake, can Dallas remove a mistake they made in their passing game too? What if Romo see's that receiver he missed? or if the Dallas receiver makes a better read and finds that soft spot in coverage...

On top of that, even if that big play doesn't happen, how do we know they don't just re-gather themselves and drive down the field anyways like they had been doing all day?

I can't get into the business of taking out plays in a football game, much like I don't go back in my own life and wonder how things would have been different if a single event wouldn't have happened. It's pointless to do because the event occurred. Kareem got burned because he got worked. It wasn't some fluke play. He has not been good thus far and there is really no amount of taking out plays that can refute that fact.
 
And you cannot take out a mistake...That is part of the game...

The point of taking out the mistake, isn't to pretend it didn't happen, it is to get a better look at the overall picture. Other than one play, in which Kareem fell down, Kareem did pretty good. Miles Austin?? only made 2 catches, one against Quin, I assume the other against Kareem ( I could be wrong, they may both be on Quin).

Dez Bryant? A nice catch against McCAin.. but not much else.

Roy Williams... like I said, the guy fell down.

One mistake for a Rookie.

Another reason I mention taking out the one play, is if we assume Kareem is only going to get better with time, pointing out one mistake tells me he doesn't have far to go.
 
The point of taking out the mistake, isn't to pretend it didn't happen, it is to get a better look at the overall picture. Other than one play, in which Kareem fell down, Kareem did pretty good. Miles Austin?? only made 2 catches, one against Quin, I assume the other against Kareem ( I could be wrong, they may both be on Quin).

Dez Bryant? A nice catch against McCAin.. but not much else.

Roy Williams... like I said, the guy fell down.

One mistake for a Rookie.

Another reason I mention taking out the one play, is if we assume Kareem is only going to get better with time, pointing out one mistake tells me he doesn't have far to go.

My point is that you can apply that one mistake logic to any and every player...

I could understand more if it were not a regular occurrence, but Kareem has gotten roasted since his first regular season game.

...Now I am one of the first ones to point out the caliber of QB's and offenses we've played, but I'm still going to call a spade a spade.

And I really have become less and less fond of McCain. He is going to have to win my love back or I am going to start talking about how I want him gone. Once that happens, I normally don't end up disappointed. I tend to get my way. Maybe Kubiak hears my thoughts.

I think there is hope for McCain, and I think he can excel against smaller type or not as physical type of receivers. He tends to be right there with his man, but he is too easy to make a catch on. I have dubbed him the humming bird.

But yeah...I can't make any excuses for this secondary. They have all been suspect. I disagree that the only play Jackson messed up on was the one he fell down...Even if it was, he's been beaten enough in the two games prior for it not to matter...

If Kareem could even become mediocre anytime soon, it'd be a step up for us. I'd call that a win.
 
My point is that you can apply that one mistake logic to any and every player...

I could understand more if it were not a regular occurrence, but Kareem has gotten roasted since his first regular season game.
I'm talking about a rookie & watching him adjust to the NFL.
If Kareem could even become mediocre anytime soon, it'd be a step up for us. I'd call that a win.


I didn't care for the Kareem pick. The I watched two of his college games, and liked it even less.

I like him much better now that vie seen him in the pros. He's made some mistakes, but I think his progress from week to week has been very good.

I also do not believe he's been getting burned as much as we think.
 
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I'm asking, because I don't know, but who was teaching Asomagha the ropes? Who taught Champ?

We got burned vs Indy & Washington, but we won those games. The WR numbers against Dallas aren't that bad, especially if you take out KJ's one bad mistake (63 yards & TD). We lost, an emotional game, and we're letting that cloud our judgement.

I know this was a kind of a rhetorical question, but I think the answer is interesting.

Nnamdi was mostly just a special teamer his first year but he played some safety and, iirc, started one game. And then moved to corner his second year.

The starting defensive backs for the Raiders Nnamdi's first year were: Phililp Buchanon (omg) and Terence Shaw (at RCB), Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, and Anthony Dorsett.

So, basically, he learned from Rod Woodson and Charles Woodson. Rod Woodson was not a bad guy to learn from.
 
He's got more INTs & tackles than Dunta right now.

Of course he has more tackles, the receiver catches the ball almost every time it is thrown in his area so he is a decent tackler.

1 INT to none just shows that neither one of them is that great but it is not even close how much better Dunta is RITE NOW than Kareem.

Believe me I wish this was not true but some Texans fans are delusional on the issue.
 
so is dunta still teh starter in ATL ????

u know we play the NFC South next year me thinks
 
Of course he has more tackles, the receiver catches the ball almost every time it is thrown in his area so he is a decent tackler.

1 INT to none just shows that neither one of them is that great but it is not even close how much better Dunta is RITE NOW than Kareem.

Believe me I wish this was not true but some Texans fans are delusional on the issue.

Kareem could get burnt 385 times this year.

I would bet money Dunta would get burned 386. Dunta was not all that when he was here, I have no idea what you guys saw the last two years to make you think he was.
 
While I'm sure that Dunta would be making less mistakes then Kareem is right now, I would still rather have Kareem based purely on potential. An equal amount of blame needs to go to the coaches/scheme, the players around KJ, and of course KJ as well. There might only be 2 CBs in the league who could survive in this system right now.
 
I wanted to find a good thread to post this in, and this was the best I could find.

I was curious how Dunta's been doing so I jumped over to one of the Falcons' MB's and saw this quote. Be prepared, because it's gonna hurt...


Do we really need to have a thread about this every week? He's been very good for our defense. He rarely gets beat. I think he's given up 2 TD's all season long. And his contract is not nearly as big as you guys make it out to be. He was not given a top 5 CB contract. I wrote a very long post a while back in a thread about his contract where I compared it to other CB contracts. In summary, he got 9 mil a year. Nnamdi got 15. Revis got 13. Nate freaking Clements got 10 about 4 years ago. Champ got 10 mil 6 years ago. Before you say Champ is better, NFL salaries go up 10-15 percent per year, so Champ getting 10 mil 6 years ago would be closer to the 15 Nnamdi got. 9 mil a year is NOT top 5 CB money. Name 1 CB that has given up less TD's. In my opinion, he's exceeding his contract.

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topi...least-1-interception-this-season/page__st__20
 
The title of this thread has kept me from posting in here, and after this post it will be my last in here as well.
 
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