drs23
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GK said at one time GQ and KJ would play whomever lines up against them. When did KJ get the #1 receiver? Did I miss something?
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Kareem > Dunta
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GK said at one time GQ and KJ would play whomever lines up against them. When did KJ get the #1 receiver? Did I miss something?
The Pencil Neck
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The Pencil Neck
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In the old days, our CBs played a side. They didn't get put on a particular receiver. But last year, that changed and Dunta was usually put on the #1.
I thought we were still playing like we did last year with GQ as our #1. But I'm not positive about that.
Maddict5
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are we still not playing 'sides of a field' defence? GQ usually seems to be on the defensive right hand side before dropping into the slot on 3 wr sets
GP
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We have to remember that KJ is likely going through a period of time where he has everything flying at him. First round pick, first time to practice against NFL speed and talent, first time to have lots of spare cash, first time to play in an actual NFL game even though it's "just preseason," and on and on...
Once he gets all those "first times" out of his system--by the way, how awesome to get your first pick in only your second game and against Romo?--he will settle in and play more to he level he is.
I have no proof, but I think he will handle it well. Once he gets settled in, I expect to see his game elevated more.
Once he gets all those "first times" out of his system--by the way, how awesome to get your first pick in only your second game and against Romo?--he will settle in and play more to he level he is.
I have no proof, but I think he will handle it well. Once he gets settled in, I expect to see his game elevated more.
For right now KAreem is definitely > than Dunta...
Hear what the Falcon FANS think...
Dunta was a hard-hitting CB, (good) but never spectacular in coverage and had a very strong "field presence"...much like Pollard.
I'll miss him, but he's nowhere near as good as his current contract or his press clippings.
Hear what the Falcon FANS think...
Dunta was a hard-hitting CB, (good) but never spectacular in coverage and had a very strong "field presence"...much like Pollard.
I'll miss him, but he's nowhere near as good as his current contract or his press clippings.
I dunno...
Seems as if we are still playing Left corner right corner...
Even when we go Nickel McCain usually takes Quinns spot outside and Kareem is normally over on the right (right to the defense).
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
As opposed to sides being a hard and fast rule as it was before, it is now a preference. If there isn't a clear #1 WR then they swap less. If they face a Fitzgerald or Moss then you see them assign the CB's (at least last year which may be up in the air with the small sample size we have with two inexperienced starting CB's). Bush is certainly open to the idea of assigning CB's to WR's as opposed to prior DC's.
The Pencil Neck
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DexmanC
Hall of Fame
One thing about Bush I can say, is that he does play matchups that
work. If a guy gets burned too consistently, Frank doesn't hesitate
to get someone else on him. That Carolina game a couple years ago
showed us all we needed to know about Richard Smith. Petey got
ate up for two touchdowns by Steve Smith, although there was already
tape on him getting burned in similar fashion against Lee Evans a year
earlier.
It's good to see our corners jamming at the line on 3rd down. That
should give the blitzes time to get there.
work. If a guy gets burned too consistently, Frank doesn't hesitate
to get someone else on him. That Carolina game a couple years ago
showed us all we needed to know about Richard Smith. Petey got
ate up for two touchdowns by Steve Smith, although there was already
tape on him getting burned in similar fashion against Lee Evans a year
earlier.
It's good to see our corners jamming at the line on 3rd down. That
should give the blitzes time to get there.
That is huge for me. I got so tired of seeing our corners giving a 10 yd cushion on 3 & 6!
He was on the left, when he slipped, and missed the tackle on Roy Williams.
ubecool454
Veteran
You think he looks slow because Felix Jones ran him down? Jones is fast and did have the angle on him.
You know, I was fine with FJones running him down, until he said he had run out of gas.
Hopefully he's just getting used to this league, and he'll be working no his conditioning in the next couple of weeks.
You know, I was fine with FJones running him down, until he said he had run out of gas.
Hopefully he's just getting used to this league, and he'll be working no his conditioning in the next couple of weeks.
Hope he doesn't over train...
Please, can you delete the bolded?
Look. I wasn't excessively hard on Daunta and I wasn't his biggest fan but I will say that I understand the "pay me rick" attitude. Was he an ***** for writing it on his shoes, absolutely. Did he distract the team and was it time to go, sure. All of that said, he was one of the hardest hitting corners in the league, he didn't give up on plays (didn't someone write that he pulled a hammy running after an overthrown ball in camp?)... He came here and worked his ass off for quite some time. Then right as it began to get a little fun again, he tore a leg up. He worked his butt off to get back and what for? 8-8? Yeah he acted like a spoiled brat at times, but when it was the worst... when this organization was a joke... as one of the few "stars" on the team... and the only guy with name recognition other than AJ and DC... he was out there putting in work. He as one of the few that could have come in and put his time in and left and I am glad that it looked like he cared, because there were a lot on the team that looked like they were here for the paycheck. For that Daunta, we thank you.
Mike
The Pencil Neck
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I've never been anti-Dunta and I wasn't saying anything about his work ethic. I don't care too much about guys that want to get paid (although I think they need to be reasonable about what they're really worth.) The guy always worked hard. He was a hard hitter. I don't think he's one of the better cover guys in the league and I don't think even at his best that he was one of the 4-5 best corners in the league. But he was good.
But I do think that you can have a bad attitude even though you're working hard. I think that Dunta might really benefit from new surroundings but I don't think he's going to be the Nnamdi/Revis that Atlanta is hoping for.
The jury is still out on Kareem. I'm hoping that he fits our scheme and ends up being a better corner for us than Dunta was.
But with all that said, I really appreciate everything Dunta did for this team. He was a vocal leader when we had none and he worked hard through some really bad seasons and bad teams.
Carr Bombed
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TimeKiller
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I think they are playing sides, not receivers. Seemed like a couple times the Cowboys lined up all the WR to one side and instead of Quin running over to cover Pollard just stepped in and Quin held an end of the DL. I think that's probably not a good idea but I'm no DC. Seems like the better idea would be to have Quin either run across and cover or if Pollard moves in have Quin drop back with Wilson and give himself a safety look.
The Pencil Neck
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I don't think they do the same thing every time. In different defenses, the responsibilities change. Quinn might be up close in run support but in a passing situation he drops into a zone. When I see a guy run across the formation and no one chase him, my initial reaction is that it's a some form of zone defense to begin with.
The only thing I had against Dunta, was that it seemed we weren't going to get a better corner on this team with him here. Like he somehow set some imaginary cap on CB Talent.
Then I find out it wasn't him setting the cap.
TimeKiller
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Blake
MMQB
I will be happy when he proves himself. Do we really need threads about how he is WORLDS better than Dunta at this point?
TimeKiller
Guest
You're probably right about that but I was really trying to make the point that they play sides instead of a particular man.
He has proven himself....to be a good CB so far this preseason. Anybody going much farther than that is just as silly as you trying to knock him down a peg for no reason.
As far as KJ v. Dunta...it's going to happen. Is it a little early to be crowning a champion but there are a few easy things to touch on...
Who can catch a pick that falls into their lap? KJ-can. Dunta-can't.
Who is a whiny *****? KJ-isn't. Dunta-is.
Who is likely to have a better career from this point forward? That's easy. KJ.
Don't like him if you don't want to.
True, last year Dunta usually covered the #1 receiver.
He ended up on the right side a majority of the time mainly due to the fact that some teams lined up their receivers thataway.
The Colts for example, played their #1 receiver (Wayne) strictly on their left side.
This year, against NO, KJ played the right side in the first quarter and the left side in the second quarter (covering Colston mostly.)
Basically, the Saints didn't go anywhere near KJ in the second quarter.
The Pencil Neck
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I haven't really gone back and confirmed this but from what I recall seeing, it looks like KJ was basically playing the left side in the first half against Dallas and then the right side in the second half. But there were times when both GQ and KJ were on the same side in obvious man to man.
Blake
MMQB
The OP doesnt say Jackson is a "good CB so far this pre-season." He says "Jackson is worlds better than Dunta Robinson last year." Now if you and the OP want to compare Jacksons 2 pre-season starts to Robinson and his full 16 game regular season then thats what you are going to do. I prefer to wait until he has been tested in multiple regular season games.
Knock him down a peg? I said lets wait to crown him king. Not that he is horrible. How is that knocking him down a peg for no reason?
I dont mind compairing their skillset, attitude, or career outlook from here on. But not which one is better because one is unproven.
I do like him. I just dont put him on a pedestal like some around here. If anyone is showing their bias, its yourself and the OP against Robinson.
The big play to Galloway was not on KJ. Wilson was his help over the top, but he bit on the reverse, running past Pollard trying to get to the play side.
KJ thought he had help, and it wasn't there.
He also played very well, when he was allowed to press.
Yep...And that's part of the reason why I would like to see Nolan get a few snaps a game...
Should make both players step their game up...
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I have not enjoyed seeing KJ get constantly molested these two past games. He has shown promise but this kid really could use some seasoning. This kid is great at the line of scrimmage. Very physical but this kid is getting badly burnt.
I'm definitely concerned with all the passing yardage we're giving up. We need a fix and i don't think upgrading Wilson alone is the answer.
I'm definitely concerned with all the passing yardage we're giving up. We need a fix and i don't think upgrading Wilson alone is the answer.
You are either totally ignoring everything we've been saying, or straight up don't trust what we've been saying.
Kareem has been solid. What you see on TV during the game is only half the story. Watch Playbook, where you get to see real game film. Watch him from the stands at Reliant. He's been solid.
The redskins game, after the half, we went mostly nickel with glover inside. That alone had a huge impact on our pass defense. When we get Cushing back, the only LB we have that understands coverage & zone, our pass defense will be fixed.
I gaurantee!
We had Quin on fullbacks & Tightends the whole second half. That's Cushes job. Well be able to leave quin outside. Our corners are not the problem on defense. I know they are young, but they're pretty damn good.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Not at all. Making my own observations after seeing him on my tv, from the stands, both playbook shows, short cuts and am currently watching/taping replay. Ugh on the condescending (sp?) post.
Don't get me wrong. He's shown promise. I loved how he batted the ball away from Cooley at the LOS. I loved how he made that TD saving tackle. Kid has some jets. he blew a TD last week along with a gazillion yards. There is a reason why Manning and McNabb kept throwing to him all day. All I'm saying is that he's a rookie and it shows to me. I have faith in KJ. He'll be a fine pro. Blaming KJ's or the secondary's shortcomings on Wilson is unfair AT THIS TIME. Plenty of blame to go around.
I watched him from the stands this past Sunday. he got beat, badly, more than once.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I don't think that's what he's disputing.
digitalswim
Sleepwalker
He has been burned a bit like any rookie corner but several times he was let down by our safeties who were out of position (ie that TD McNoob threw up the middle of the field).
It's kind of like how every interception is blamed on the QB even though his receiver ran the wrong route. People just automatically assume it was the QB's fault.
It's kind of like how every interception is blamed on the QB even though his receiver ran the wrong route. People just automatically assume it was the QB's fault.
The Pencil Neck
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He has been burned a bit like any rookie corner but several times he was let down by our safeties who were out of position (ie that TD McNoob threw up the middle of the field).
It's kind of like how every interception is blamed on the QB even though his receiver ran the wrong route. People just automatically assume it was the QB's fault.
^^^ This.
Kareem has been burned a few times but he's also made some very good plays. I've still got very high hopes for this guy.
But fixing our pass defense isn't about fixing Kareem, it's about getting everybody on the right page. We've had our safeties busting coverage and we've had some bad plays by our LBs in coverage. Both Adibi and Diles had some pretty big busts in coverage against the Redskins.
beerlover
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& you know other teams see this so will seek to take advantage of mis-matches. Dallas has a lot of weapons to spread this secondary out, if the front four can't pressure Romo its up to the LB's & Safeties to cover the intermediate stuff with corners over the top. I'll almost bet we see more nickle packages like week one, Adibi is a liability in coverage.
silvrhand
All Pro
The front 7 again need to get better at providing consistent pressure on the opposing QB, not just Mario deciding that he needs to do something and getting a sack.
Consistent pressure, McNabb hardly got touched the entire first half, and if you give him time he'll light you up.
TimeKiller
Guest
Saying he's better than Robinson is a pedestal? Like....a 2 foot high pedestal?
He's looked like a rookie facing the greatest QB of this generation and a guy who by most accounts is a damn good QB. Yeah, he's getting chewed up a bit but he didn't give up 800 yards all by himself. At the least you can see his head is in the game which is more than you can say for 'Pay Me Rick'. Can't say I've been impressed with his play but neither am I pissed.
He's still better than Robinson...hahaha....
Man, speaking of Wilson...can anyone tell me why Wilson is the starter at FS?
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Dunta is better than Jackson at this point in time, but one guy is making top dollar and one guy is a rookie.
Myself, I wish the Texans would have franchised him again. It's only money and it was a salary cap free year. Where did they spend the money they saved on Dunta? At least go out and get Schoebel now that Barwin is done. That would be a decent way to spend the money. I know I may be in the minority on that, but aside from the whole PayMeRick thing, Dunta had been a good player for us. I am not going to hate on him just because he was unprofessional and left our team to make more money. Now with us starting 2-0, you can't argue that Dunta would have helped us because there is nowhere else to go but down.
Jackson needs to get better and fast, that is for sure. I wasn't that high on him when he was drafted and my feelings haven't changed. Is he a good CB prospect? yes, but was he worth the 1st Round pick? I am not sure...I sure hope so.
I would have preferred to sign Dunta and draft Dan Williams instead of reach on KJ in the 1st Round...but hey, I can't complain. 2-0 baby!!
GO TEXANS....kick the crap out of the Pokes Sunday. end Wade's career!!!
Myself, I wish the Texans would have franchised him again. It's only money and it was a salary cap free year. Where did they spend the money they saved on Dunta? At least go out and get Schoebel now that Barwin is done. That would be a decent way to spend the money. I know I may be in the minority on that, but aside from the whole PayMeRick thing, Dunta had been a good player for us. I am not going to hate on him just because he was unprofessional and left our team to make more money. Now with us starting 2-0, you can't argue that Dunta would have helped us because there is nowhere else to go but down.
Jackson needs to get better and fast, that is for sure. I wasn't that high on him when he was drafted and my feelings haven't changed. Is he a good CB prospect? yes, but was he worth the 1st Round pick? I am not sure...I sure hope so.
I would have preferred to sign Dunta and draft Dan Williams instead of reach on KJ in the 1st Round...but hey, I can't complain. 2-0 baby!!
GO TEXANS....kick the crap out of the Pokes Sunday. end Wade's career!!!
HJam72
Hall of Fame
What is "Playbook?"
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
NFLN "Playbook" show.Oh, thanks for dredging up that visual from my memory dungeon.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I really felt like the defensive line was initially rushing more to "contain" McNabb than to sack him. They were afraid that they'd lose their rush lane integrity and give McNabb a big 20-30 yard run. Later in the game, it appeared they made some adjustments. They put Quinn on Cooley, went to more zone looks, and upped the pressure and started getting to McNabb.
If we attack the Cowboys like we did in the preseason, then we should get more pressure on Romo earlier.