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Jamies Winston Qb Florida State

A Star Player Accused, and a Flawed Rape Investigation
Tallahassee, Fla. - Early on the morning of Dec. 7, 2012, a freshman at Florida State University reported that she had been raped by a stranger somewhere off campus after a night of drinking at a popular Tallahassee bar called Potbelly’s.

As she gave her account to the police, several bruises began to appear, indicating recent trauma. Tests would later find semen on her underwear.

For nearly a year, the events of that evening remained a well-kept secret until the woman’s allegations burst into the open, roiling the university and threatening a prized asset: Jameis Winston, one of the marquee names of college football...
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Some disturbing questions raised in this in depth piece.
 
Heard part of a comment on radio tonight that police really botched the investigation and it is not over.
 
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His father, Antonor Winston, told USA Today he's working with the university on how to best manage the attention around his son and would like some form of security and supervision around his son at all times moving forward.

"He's supposed to have somebody around him 24/7," Antonor Winston told USA Today. "He's a Heisman Trophy winner so (he's) definitely not supposed to be by (himself)."

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Antonor Winston said the latest incident has made it clear to his son that the spotlight on him is growing only larger, and he hopes it alerts FSU that additional attention is needed.

"We hope so," Antonor Winston said. "Not only him. I think it should show the university and us, I think we probably kind of dropped the ball on that a little bit."
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Seriously? I'm starting to dislike this kid. His father basically blames the university for not providing the kid a 24/7 babysitter? How coddled is he? If his father is telling him that these incidents are the university's fault, who is going to stand up and teach the kid a lesson? It's no wonder he keeps getting himself into these little incidents.

If I am Jimbo, I sit him and his father down and I tell him that I will not provide a 24/7 babysitter and that he needs to learn to take responsibility for his own actions. I tell him that FSU strives to teach life lessons and mature its players and that a 24/7 babysitter does the exact opposite. I would even suspend him for a game or two to make the point clear.

If we have to succumb to 24/7 babysitting, I would rather him just leave the team.
 
TexansSeminole said:
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Seriously? I'm starting to dislike this kid. His father basically blames the university for not providing the kid a 24/7 babysitter? How coddled is he? If his father is telling him that these incidents are the university's fault, who is going to stand up and teach the kid a lesson? It's no wonder he keeps getting himself into these little incidents.

If I am Jimbo, I sit him and his father down and I tell him that I will not provide a 24/7 babysitter and that he needs to learn to take responsibility for his own actions. I tell him that FSU strives to teach life lessons and mature its players and that a 24/7 babysitter does the exact opposite. I would even suspend him for a game or two to make the point clear.

If we have to succumb to 24/7 babysitting, I would rather him just leave the team.
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Preach on brother. Preach on!!
 
Playoffs said:
A Star Player Accused, and a Flawed Rape Investigation

Some disturbing questions raised in this in depth piece.
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342 days to acquire his DNA .... and then on Nov14th they finally do get a DNA sample and it matches what was found on the accusers clothes.


Dismissed the case because the complainant was "uncooperative" yet she is still perusing the case.

Maybe her lack of cooperation was in not just going away.


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Just wanted to add , more often than not "sexual offenders" don't have just one incident , they have many over a long period of time.
Winston already has at least one other incident .... how many people does he get to hurt on account of a game ....how many victims before the authorities take it seriously ?! How many victims are in his past ??
 
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TexansSeminole said:
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Seriously? I'm starting to dislike this kid. His father basically blames the university for not providing the kid a 24/7 babysitter? How coddled is he? If his father is telling him that these incidents are the university's fault, who is going to stand up and teach the kid a lesson? It's no wonder he keeps getting himself into these little incidents.

If I am Jimbo, I sit him and his father down and I tell him that I will not provide a 24/7 babysitter and that he needs to learn to take responsibility for his own actions. I tell him that FSU strives to teach life lessons and mature its players and that a 24/7 babysitter does the exact opposite. I would even suspend him for a game or two to make the point clear.

If we have to succumb to 24/7 babysitting, I would rather him just leave the team.
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What a joke!!! I bet he doesn't make it through the season.
 
It's a shame, the guy has loads of talent. Hope he matures up quickly and can keep it on the DL during this offseason and onwards. He needs only to look at Manziel to see how a bad offseason can impact your stock and perception.
 
htownfan32 said:
It's a shame, the guy has loads of talent. Hope he matures up quickly and can keep it on the DL during this offseason and onwards. He needs only to look at Manziel to see how a bad offseason can impact your stock and perception.
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I would say he has already had a very bad offseason. Way worse than the bad one Manziel had.
 
I thought this guy was the savoir of the 2015 draft class? I assumed we would wait until December to start ripping these QB prospects apart.
 
Blake said:
I thought this guy was the savoir of the 2015 draft class? I assumed we would wait until December to start ripping these QB prospects apart.
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Why would we ignore possible issues especially those that could lead to prison? Perhaps you were being sarcastic? Besides, what else do we have to discuss?
 
Blake said:
I thought this guy was the savoir of the 2015 draft class? I assumed we would wait until December to start ripping these QB prospects apart.
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After what we just went through & the fact that we didn't draft our QB of the future, I think it's best we start early.
 
htownfan32 said:
Be that as it may, Manziel got more bad press for his bad offseason, I think.
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He didn't have the police & DA's office to cover for him. Manziel did typical college kid sh!t , not sh!t that leads to the cross bar hotel.

What's sad is that even with all these red flags , some team will probably draft him in the top of the 1st round ....

What's unthinkable is that he's free to victimize someone else ....
 
Blake said:
I thought this guy was the savoir of the 2015 draft class? I assumed we would wait until December to start ripping these QB prospects apart.
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everyone keeps crowning Mariota, just wait til they realize how raw of a pro prospect he really is.
 
thunderkyss said:
After what we just went through & the fact that we didn't draft our QB of the future, I think it's best we start early.
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With the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select: Marcus Mariota, QB Oregon.

If it weren't for BAD Luck there would be no luck at all, the Houston Texans win 4 games, pick 4th and miss out on Mariota and Winston.

How's that?
 
Texian said:
With the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select: Marcus Mariota, QB Oregon.

If it weren't for BAD Luck there would be no luck at all, the Houston Texans win 4 games, pick 4th and miss out on Mariota and Winston.

How's that?
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McNair ain't taking Winston. He wants choir boys, not probable rapists.
 
Texian said:
With the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select: Marcus Mariota, QB Oregon.

If it weren't for BAD Luck there would be no luck at all, the Houston Texans win 4 games, pick 4th and miss out on Mariota and Winston.

How's that?
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Missing out on those guys does not really bother me. Hundley will be the best pro out of the three.
 
McNair would cut off his own arm before he would draft Winston. And thank god for that. I would find it very hard to cheer for a PoS like him.
 
rmartin65 said:
You are better than this, Texian. You know not to be a boxscore watcher.
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You've confused me with someone else, I check the player production every week during the season. If you're a .300 hitter you're a .300 hitter. If you can only throw .60% completions, 1 1/2 TDs for every INT, your QB rating will say you're average and ordinary.
 
Texian said:
You've confused me with someone else, I check the player production every week during the season. If you're a .300 hitter you're a .300 hitter. If you can only throw .60% completions, 1 1/2 TDs for every INT, your QB rating will say you're average and ordinary.
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So you don't take quality of competition into account? Quality of teammates? Scheme-type? Blown assignments?

In short, do you watch games, or do you just look at the boxscores and read what other people say?
 
rmartin65 said:
So you don't take quality of competition into account? Quality of teammates? Scheme-type? Blown assignments?

In short, do you watch games, or do you just look at the boxscores and read what other people say?
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Oh I do all of the above. That's why I was able able to differentiate and determine Bortles as the only franchise QB in this draft instead of hopping on the Teddy Bridgewater train like so many others. It's the learned ability to think for one's self instead of falling in with the collective group or letting others make up your mind for you. Some folks know how to use use stats and production and some folks don't and will quickly dismiss them as a result. Good luck, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out.
 
Texian said:
Oh I do all of the above. That's why I was able able to differentiate and determine Bortles as the only franchise QB in this draft instead of hopping on the Teddy Bridgewater train like so many others. It's the learned ability to think for one's self instead of falling in with the collective group or letting others make up your mind for you. Some folks know how to use use stats and production and some folks don't and will quickly dismiss them as a result. Good luck, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out.
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1) It is much too early to be patting yourself on the back for Bortles. Yeah, he was the first QB picked, but so was Gabbert once.

2) I make my own decisions. I thought TB was better than BB because I thought so, not because others did. Furthermore, by the end,I thought Robinson should have been the pick, not TB.
 
rmartin65 said:
1) It is much too early to be patting yourself on the back for Bortles. Yeah, he was the first QB picked, but so was Gabbert once.

2) I make my own decisions. I thought TB was better than BB because I thought so, not because others did. Furthermore, by the end,I thought Robinson should have been the pick, not TB.
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1. It might have be to early for you but not for me. That's how sure and confident I am of my evaluation. Blaine Gabbert was never the first QB drafted. He was #3 behind Newton and Locker. Like I have tried to explain before, the problem with Gabbert being drafted in the 1st RD has absolutely nothing to do with Gabbert. The problem lies entirely with Jack Del Rio and his very poor evaluation of Gabbert. There was absolutely nothing in Gabbert's college body of work that said, "draft me with the 10th pick in the draft or even the first rd for that matter."

2. Keep digging deeper. If you thought TB was the best QB in this draft you're not digging deep enough. As to your earlier point, everything in his stats and production agree with your decision. When you dig a little deeper, that's not so much the case. Unfortunately, as was the case with so many, Teddy fans didn't want to hear the bad music. They preferred to not listen or just come up with excuses why the music was bad. During the season I noted that TB's 30+ passes had a high trajectory and need a lot of air underneath and his 10-20 yard passes outside the hashes tended to lose their zip. I said at the time that many of those passes would be INTs in the NFL. His Pro Day confirmed both suspicions.

3. I keep saying this time and again, you must find out how a QB performs when the game is on the line and under pressure. Often you have to dig deep to find this information. It's often found in The Box Scores and the drive charts. The info is there if you're willing to do the homework. If a QB has never delivered with a game on the line, take him off your board or move him to day 3. David and Derek Carr and Gabbert never delivered with game on the line. Quinn and Barkley are a few others. They've never been a part of game winning drive. Some have had the negative experience of a failed game winning drive.
 
Texian said:
1. It might have be to early for you but not for me. That's how sure and confident I am of my evaluation. Blaine Gabbert was never the first QB drafted. He was #3 behind Newton and Locker. Like I have tried to explain before, the problem with Gabbert being drafted in the 1st RD has absolutely nothing to do with Gabbert. The problem lies entirely with Jack Del Rio and his very poor evaluation of Gabbert. There was absolutely nothing in Gabbert's college body of work that said, "draft me with the 10th pick in the draft or even the first rd for that matter."

2. Keep digging deeper. If you thought TB was the best QB in this draft you're not digging deep enough. As to your earlier point, everything in his stats and production agree with your decision. When you dig a little deeper, that's not so much the case. Unfortunately, as was the case with so many, Teddy fans didn't want to hear the bad music. They preferred to not listen or just come up with excuses why the music was bad. During the season I noted that TB's 30+ passes had a high trajectory and need a lot of air underneath and his 10-20 yard passes outside the hashes tended to lose their zip. I said at the time that many of those passes would be INTs in the NFL. His Pro Day confirmed both suspicions.

3. I keep saying this time and again, you must find out how a QB performs when the game is on the line and under pressure. Often you have to dig deep to find this information. It's often found in The Box Scores and the drive charts. The info is there if you're willing to do the homework. If a QB has never delivered with a game on the line, take him off your board or move him to day 3. David and Derek Carr and Gabbert never delivered with game on the line. Quinn and Barkley are a few others. They've never been a part of game winning drive. Some have had the negative experience of a failed game winning drive.
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You are right about Gabbert, that was my mistake.

As for Bridgewater bit- we will see in time. I have been wrong before, and I will be wrong many times in the future, I am sure. But right now, my guess is that TB will be the better QB.

I think your "game on the line" scouting to be suspect. But hey, everyone does things differently.
 
rmartin65 said:
As for Bridgewater bit- we will see in time. I have been wrong before, and I will be wrong many times in the future, I am sure. But right now, my guess is that TB will be the better QB.
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Most important here is to learn from your mistakes, I made my share. I have developed my eval process from mistakes I made. If TB turns out to be a just an average QB or less, will you know why?

TB could be a good QB in WCO as a game manager w/ a game that takes advantages of his strengths and avoids his weaknesses.

If you eliminate all QBs who have not played under pressure or have never produced in pressure situations or game winning drives you can eliminate a lot of not so good QBs. I now you think it suspect but for the future, keep an eye on it.
 
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He'sslike Mariota the most.
As I mentioned last year, his stock was rising sharply the more the scouts and "semi" scouts learned more about him.
Granted, he plays in a spread system so we don't know for sure how he will perform under center; however, he possesses all the quality I'm looking for in a QB.
Whether one is a Bill Walsh fan (finesse) or a Jon Madden fan (power), one likes him the same.
Size, arm, feet/footwork, strength, mobility, quikness, release, football IQ, poise.
This guy seems to have eyes in the back of his head and out of his ears.
He always know where his receivers are.
He routinely looks off defenders (look one way, pass the other.)
To me, he's a Wilson in Luck's body.
He's on a different level than Hundley who's still raw in his progression.
Unless Mariota starts doing stupid things like Winston, I believe he (Mariota) will be the first pick next year, and I would hate to see the Titans draft him.
 
http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80225548/

FSU quarterback Jameis Winston has been caught in a big, fat lie and now has serious credibility issues. When he got cited for shoplifting those crab legs from Publix a couple of weeks ago, Winston released a statement through his attorney telling us he went to Publix with the "intent to purchase dinner" but in a moment of "youthful ignorance" he mistakenly walked out of the store without paying for "one of my items."

Doesn't that statement lead you to believe Winston purchased some other items and maybe just forgot to put the crab legs on the checkout counter conveyor belt so the cashier could run them through the scanner?

Um, that's not exactly what happened.

The video from Publix released earlier this week shows Winston not going through the checkout line at all and simply walking out of the store without paying for any of his items. In addition, the police report says he intentionally tried to avoid store security when walking out of the store.

Winston's concocted story turns him from Famous Jameis to Lame-ous Jameis.

And, while we're on the subject, you know what else I'm not buying? I'm not buying FSU football coach Jimbo Fisher's contention that the reason he's not disciplining his quarterback is because Winston has already been suspended from playing in a couple of FSU baseball games.

Puh-leeze.

The reason Jimbo won't suspend Winston for a game is because FSU opens the season with high-powered Oklahoma State. Let's face it, if the Seminoles opened with The Citadel – their Week 2 opponent – Jimbo would be much more likely to try and teach his entitled quarterback a lesson.
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Texian said:
Most important here is to learn from your mistakes, I made my share. I have developed my eval process from mistakes I made. If TB turns out to be a just an average QB or less, will you know why?

TB could be a good QB in WCO as a game manager w/ a game that takes advantages of his strengths and avoids his weaknesses.

If you eliminate all QBs who have not played under pressure or have never produced in pressure situations or game winning drives you can eliminate a lot of not so good QBs. I now you think it suspect but for the future, keep an eye on it.
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sorry for your loss valiant fight never yielding on Bortles. FWIW if not for being drafted by the Jaguars I think his odds of success would have favored him more here if selected. That being said Savage who was selected is in the perfect situation. How do you grade that? His upside & ability to fit exactly what O'Brian wants couldn't have aligned better yet can't say he was the better prospect. Don't have a lot of hope for Bridgewater either winding up in Minnesota. Manziel will probably fare better if they adopt a spread offense but point being each organization will need to adopt to their QB's strength. Tom was, simply put, a system fit without changes required, just a lot of polishing, learning the playbook & continuous reps.
 
76Texan said:
He'sslike Mariota the most.
As I mentioned last year, his stock was rising sharply the more the scouts and "semi" scouts learned more about him.
Granted, he plays in a spread system so we don't know for sure how he will perform under center; however, he possesses all the quality I'm looking for in a QB.
Whether one is a Bill Walsh fan (finesse) or a Jon Madden fan (power), one likes him the same.
Size, arm, feet/footwork, strength, mobility, quikness, release, football IQ, poise.
This guy seems to have eyes in the back of his head and out of his ears.
He always know where his receivers are.
He routinely looks off defenders (look one way, pass the other.)
To me, he's a Wilson in Luck's body.
He's on a different level than Hundley who's still raw in his progression.
Unless Mariota starts doing stupid things like Winston, I believe he (Mariota) will be the first pick next year, and I would hate to see the Titans draft him.
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Just to piggyback off of this, here is a list of QBs for you guys to look out for next season. These are the guys that caught my eye this year. All will be eligible for the draft.

Kevin Hogan, Stanford - SR
Taylor Kelly, Arizona St - SR
Bryce Petty, Baylor - SR
Sean Mannion, Oregon St - SR
Devin Gardner, Michigan - SR
Shane Carden, ECU - SR
Jake Waters, Kansas St - SR

Marcus Mariota, Oregon - JR
Brett Hundley, UCLA - JR
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana - JR
Cody Kessler, USC - JR
Travis Wilson, Utah - JR
Matt Johnson, Bowling Green - JR

Jameis Winston, Florida St - SO
 
bah007 said:
Just to piggyback off of this, here is a list of QBs for you guys to look out for next season. These are the guys that caught my eye this year. All will be eligible for the draft.

Kevin Hogan, Stanford - SR
Taylor Kelly, Arizona St - SR
Bryce Petty, Baylor - SR
Sean Mannion, Oregon St - SR
Devin Gardner, Michigan - SR
Shane Carden, ECU - SR
Jake Waters, Kansas St - SR

Marcus Mariota, Oregon - JR
Brett Hundley, UCLA - JR
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana - JR
Cody Kessler, USC - JR
Travis Wilson, Utah - JR
Matt Johnson, Bowling Green - JR

Jameis Winston, Florida St - SO
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Good stuff. I like a few other guys like Rakeem Cato (Marshall) and Chuckie Keeton (Utah State) but both are severely undersized.

Also, keep an eye out for Marquise Williams from North Carolina. He's raw, but if he has a breakout year like I expect him to then he may declare.
 
bah007 said:
Just to piggyback off of this, here is a list of QBs for you guys to look out for next season. These are the guys that caught my eye this year. All will be eligible for the draft.

Kevin Hogan, Stanford - SR
Taylor Kelly, Arizona St - SR
Bryce Petty, Baylor - SR
Sean Mannion, Oregon St - SR
Devin Gardner, Michigan - SR
Shane Carden, ECU - SR
Jake Waters, Kansas St - SR

Marcus Mariota, Oregon - JR
Brett Hundley, UCLA - JR
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana - JR
Cody Kessler, USC - JR
Travis Wilson, Utah - JR
Matt Johnson, Bowling Green - JR

Jameis Winston, Florida St - SO
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Kessler needs to stay in school. Good raw talent, but he needs the seasoning. Otherwise he could have a Sanchez-like flameout.
 
WolverineFan said:
Good stuff. I like a few other guys like Rakeem Cato (Marshall) and Chuckie Keeton (Utah State) but both are severely undersized.

Also, keep an eye out for Marquise Williams from North Carolina. He's raw, but if he has a breakout year like I expect him to then he may declare.
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I don't see Cato as a NFL prospect. I love Keeton in college but I don't project him too highly for the NFL either.

I almost put Williams on this list but I think he is far too raw to declare early. He needs two more years. Would not be surprised to see him have a great season though.
 
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Kessler needs to stay in school. Good raw talent, but he needs the seasoning. Otherwise he could have a Sanchez-like flameout.
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I agree. At this point, Mariota is the only one of those Juniors I would be comfortable with declaring early. But we still have a whole year for things to change.
 
WolverineFan said:
Also, keep an eye out for Marquise Williams from North Carolina. He's raw, but if he has a breakout year like I expect him to then he may declare.
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Marquise should've been kept in this year against Miami. He was looking so much better than Renner.

BUT I agree with bah007 that he really needs to stay. I wouldn't take him if he declares after this year because I just don't see one year as a starter as enough. I also expect him to do really well this year. The WR core is solid and Tabb, while not Ebron, is still pretty athletic and has good hands. Plus, UNC has an awesome group of RBs.
 
NCTexan said:
Marquise should've been kept in this year against Miami. He was looking so much better than Renner.

BUT I agree with bah007 that he really needs to stay. I wouldn't take him if he declares after this year because I just don't see one year as a starter as enough. I also expect him to do really well this year. The WR core is solid and Tabb, while not Ebron, is still pretty athletic and has good hands. Plus, UNC has an awesome group of RBs.
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It will be his first full year as the starter, but he did start 6 games last year with Renner injured. I do agree though, he's still very raw and should come back. Just saying that I expect him to have a big year and he might decide to come out.

And UNC is loaded at the skill positions. I think they return every WR and 3 out of their top 4 RB's.
 
WolverineFan said:
I still have a soft spot for Hundley.

Also really like Taylor Kelly.
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I love Hundley as a college QB but I don't think he ends up as a first round pick.

Kelly is underrated. I have him higher than anyone else seems to (at least where I can find rankings online). But it's still early.
 
WolverineFan said:
Good stuff. I like a few other guys like Rakeem Cato (Marshall) and Chuckie Keeton (Utah State) but both are severely undersized.

Also, keep an eye out for Marquise Williams from North Carolina. He's raw, but if he has a breakout year like I expect him to then he may declare.
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I absolutely love watching Keeton highlights (only really heard much about him recently), and I'm excited to watch him play this year.
 
Aaand Bortles Fan Club Member #1 hijacks yet another thread and turns into a ego boosting session. Great.

Jameis Winston is the most gifted QB in college football. Not the smartest however.

Mariota will probably be better than any QB since Luck.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Jameis Winston is the most gifted QB in college football. Not the smartest however.
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Dumb as a rock .... probably wont last as long in the league as Jamarcus Russell

Mariota will probably be better than any QB since Luck.
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I think both Mariota & Hundley have more potential than those who came out this season or last .... going to be really interesting to see how they develop over the year and if they both leave school.
 
I think like Manziel, Winston's off field stuff (though different) is more of a reason for both to go pro. Manziel will have less chance of discipline in NFL than in college for his decisions and Winston has more of a suggestion of criminal behavior that could impact him so he needs to get to NFL as quick as possible. Good moves for both imo. I do agree that the insurance is a solid indicator of his plans.
 
SportsCenter @SportsCenter
Jameis Winston's suspension is a result of him shouting obscene sexual phrase on campus Tuesday.

MORE: http://es.pn/1pjzkn6

BREAKING: Jameis Winston suspended for first half of Saturday's game vs. Clemson.
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I think I'm just about done with Winston. Dude has some talent on the field but is constantly in trouble or involved in some kind of drama off of it. He also comes off as a complete moron in interviews.
 
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