texanhead08
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If this was a normal franchise you wouldn't think much of this because 20yrs is a long time to stay on any job, but with the purge of long time employees the past two off seasons any change is looked at with the side eye.
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The media part I agree, as for fans outside this forum I haven’t heard to many that care and even some that want Watson gone. It’s hard to care much when you are just a casual fan and the team goes 4-12.The org is getting consistently dragged in the media and the fans are up in arms about the perception that Easterby is more important than some of the best players in the league.
We're gonna need a new dumpster then, the last one melted from all the fires.Rootes was instrumental in building the value of the Texans over the last 20 years. His leadership will be missed and the McNair's value in the Houston Texans could suffer some with his resignation. His resignation signals this could be a 5 alarm dumpster fire.
Media hasn’t given them a pass they just didn’t care. Only reason they care now is because it’s a great click bait story. I can’t tell you how many “Watson could be traded to X” stories I have seen from literally every QB needy team across the country.Media has given this franchise a pass for all their **** ups for way too long. Its about time they got called out on their dumb moves.
OK then I need to change my analogy. Cal has made this great big crapola sandwich and we all have to take a great big bite. Jamey said no thanks I'm out of here.We're gonna need a new dumpster then, the last one melted from all the fires.
ExactlyIf this was a normal franchise you wouldn't think much of this because 20yrs is a long time to stay on any job, but with the purge of long time employees the past two off seasons any change is looked at with the side eye.
It's a public outcry that's unique to Houston. Our GAF stops working after we get fed too much bullshit.What public outcry?
Value? What did Roots do in the last 20 years to make the Texans a Championship team?Rootes was instrumental in building the value of the Texans over the last 20 years. His leadership will be missed and the McNair's value in the Houston Texans could suffer some with his resignation. His resignation signals this could be a 5 alarm dumpster fire.
You think it was Rootes holding them back from being football first? He had nothing to do with the football operations. That was it's own sad little department. At least he got things done on his side, which granted, probably isn't hard to do considering the NFL prints it's own money, but still.I say good riddance. With him gone, maybe the Texans will turn to winning football games for their bread & butter
Any other moves they've done the last 18 months or so and none of us would really care. And I don't think anybody really does care anyway. To me he's no different than Amy Palcic other than I at least knew his name, and the impact he had on me by raising ticket prices year after year after year. Other than that, he has no effect on wins or losses, so who cares?Any other off season none of us would really care.
Nothing. Rootes had nothing to do with football, but that is not the value that he was speaking of. The value is that the Texans climbed to a $3B franchise. You are speaking as a fan not a business manValue? What did Roots do in the last 20 years to make the Texans a Championship team?
Only 5 years? Why so optimistic? I'm not!!Like it or not Bill O'Brien and Cal McNair have screwed up The Texans for the next 5 years. It will be a period of brain dead decisions and being the laughing stock of the NFL.
So I am to believe Roots is the one responsible for making that value climb?Nothing. Rootes had nothing to do with football, but that is not the value that he was speaking of. The value is that the Texans climbed to a $3B franchise. You are speaking as a fan not a business man
Yep... ticket prices don't increase on their own. Good season, bad season... doesn't matter. Jamie Rootes got his.So I am to believe Roots is the one responsible for making that value climb?
So when is the press conference where Kyle makes Jack team President?I get the housecleaning, but the Texans will continue to be the laughingstock of professional franchises. It begins and ends with Easteby's head directly inside of Cal's backside. Until he is gone, we will continue to be a joke. I truly am disgusted with this franchise.
So it’s possible that Roots gets replaced with a guy/gal that doesn’t know how to raise ticket prices?Yep... ticket prices don't increase on their own. Good season, bad season... doesn't matter. Jamie Rootes got his.
Look, I was just letting you know that you had the term value wrong as to what he meant. I'm not trying to argue and I don't care what you interpret as value in your eyes. I don't know what you mean about Chicken Little sky is falling posts, but if there is, you are the one making themSo I am to believe Roots is the one responsible for making that value climb?
And it’s not because of the PSLs, or that the Texans are one of 32 businesses located in the fourth largest city in the US, in a state/city that eats/lives/breathes football? Or that this city has a relatively high number of Fortune 500 companies incorporated in the same city it resides in? Or that between 2002 and 2019 football became an ever increasing popular entertainment to the public? Was it Roots that drafted and coached popular players like Andre Johnson, JJ Watt, and Deshaun Watson?
And as a fan why should we be concerned of the valuation of the franchise being 3 billion vs 2.7 billion.
There is some serious Chicken Little sky is falling posts around here.
Well I picked 5 years because by then Cal should have fired all things Patriots.Only 5 years? Why so optimistic? I'm not!!
The 1st part of your post is bunk considering Rootes I believe was the guy who brought in the search firm for the last 2 HC’s. He was also on the committee of folks Bob and most likely Cal bounced things off of When it came to certain decisions regarding the team these last 2-3 years. Apart from that he’s reportedly leaving b/c he doesn’t like how things are going now. So if his side of things was completely separate, he sure as hell isnt acting like it was. Me thinks he was very much involved with football operations and had likely the same if not more involvement with that side than Easterby did/does. But now he just doesn’t have as much influence anymore and he’s upset.You think it was Rootes holding them back from being football first? He had nothing to do with the football operations. That was it's own sad little department. At least he got things done on his side, which granted, probably isn't hard to do considering the NFL prints it's own money, but still.
And have you seen what's going on on the football side lately? They are far from having their bread buttered.
Mine is DEFINITELY unchanged considering I watch the games from the comforts of my own home. Not a fan of overpriced beer, food and I rather enjoy not waking up at the crack of dawn braving ridiculous traffic in/out of a stadium.I just hope my "Game Day Experience" doesn't go down the crapper. Crappy football team aside.
I've been watching from home as of late as well.Mine is DEFINITELY unchanged considering I watch the games from the comforts of my own home. Not a fan of overpriced beer, food and I rather enjoy not waking up at the crack of dawn braving ridiculous traffic in/out of a stadium.
It's not that bad and we actually look forward to seeing our friends that have sat around us for the last 18 yrs.Mine is DEFINITELY unchanged considering I watch the games from the comforts of my own home. Not a fan of overpriced beer, food and I rather enjoy not waking up at the crack of dawn braving ridiculous traffic in/out of a stadium.
I don’t like knowing that I am wrong. Don’t let me know again.Look, I was just letting you know that you had the term value wrong as to what he meant. I'm not trying to argue and I don't care what you interpret as value in your eyes. I don't know what you mean about Chicken Little sky is falling posts, but if there is, you are the one making them
don’t like knowing that I am wrong. Don’t let me know again.
Just wondering but why does everyone immediately say "Easterby is gaining more control"? Is it not just as likely Caserio is gaining more control? Maybe I'm missing something but all the moves I've seen the Texans make since he was hired have got Caserio happily putting his thumb prints on them.I don’t like knowing that I am wrong. Don’t let me know again.
The chicken little reference isn’t directed towards you, but that there is something terrible going to happen to this team with him gone as some other posters make it out to be.
The issue isn’t that Roots is gone and that’s going to affect the Texans.
The issue is that Roots is gone and it solidifies suspicions that Easterby is gaining more control.
And it solidifies what we already know.
Cal is an idiot.
Easterby gains more control by choosing who they hire, fire, and removing any opposition. He has done this by getting rid of Roots (Ok - he resigned in protest), getting Caserio hired, firing OB, and others. As long as Cal continues to listen to him he will continue to put people in place that won’t challenge his control or influence.Just wondering but why does everyone immediately say "Easterby is gaining more control"? Is it not just as likely Caserio is gaining more control? Maybe I'm missing something but all the moves I've seen the Texans make since he was hired have got Caserio happily putting his thumb prints on them.
I miss the days when we would all just argue about whether OB's schemed sucked and whether Watson was a top 5 QB. All this conspiracy, cult, Machiavellian stuff just isn't as fun. Wish they would just trade Watson and fire Easterby so we can get back to talking about how much the team sucks just because of coaching and playing and not because of some evil villain style crap.Easterby gains more control by choosing who they hire, fire, and removing any opposition. He has done this by getting rid of Roots (Ok - he resigned in protest), getting Caserio hired, firing OB, and others. As long as Cal continues to listen to him he will continue to put people in place that won’t challenge his control or influence.
If anything Caserio is in a place that is less than equal to Easterby. If they make decisions by committee, Easterby maintains control assuming Cal does what Easterby tells him.
BTW - Easterby caused Covid-19, he flew the planes on 9/11, and assassinated Franz Ferdinand.
Ah the good ol' days. I hear ya.I miss the days when we would all just argue about whether OB's schemed sucked and whether Watson was a top 5 QB. All this conspiracy, cult, Machiavellian stuff just isn't as fun. Wish they would just trade Watson and fire Easterby so we can get back to talking about how much the team sucks just because of coaching and playing and not because of some evil villain style crap.
It isn’t fun to you.I miss the days when we would all just argue about whether OB's schemed sucked and whether Watson was a top 5 QB. All this conspiracy, cult, Machiavellian stuff just isn't as fun. Wish they would just trade Watson and fire Easterby so we can get back to talking about how much the team sucks just because of coaching and playing and not because of some evil villain style crap.
It should be a non issue, but some believe the media agenda. Others hate all things Foxboro. I believe Caserio is fully in charge and Easterby found dirt on well entrenched longtime employees when he did his audit and that's where all of this bad press originated from.Ah the good ol' days. I hear ya.
Yea well "Gypsy Jack" or Jack "Boobs" Easterby isn't going anywhere, you know that, we all know that. Sooner or later DW is gone but in here the JE thing should probably be a non-issue but it does make for weird banter.
I'm not sold on that. Not yet.Long haul is that this franchise is going to be a crap organization for years to come if Cal McNair is running it.
Genius in marketing, man. Take a $600 million investment and turn it into a $3.1 billion company, ranked 20th on Forbes' annual most valuable sports franchises in the world list.Its impressive how Rootes duped the fans to keep paying crazy money for a product that was bad more than it was good.
I'm giving Caserio the benefit of the doubt. The ultimate proof, of course, is results.I'm not sold on that. Not yet.
IMO, the team is in the state that it's in because we spent the last seven years trying to make Bill O'Brien successful. The lions share of draft capital & FA dollars were spent to help a man do a job he couldn't do.
I'm as skeptical as anyone about Caserio's HC hire. What happens to the Roster over the next seven months will determine whether or not I sour on Caserio. I want them to dump guys like Martin & Whitney. Guys that need to be replaced, regardless what their cap hits are. I want to see them lower the cap hits of McKinney & Cunningham. I want them to draft BPA, regardless where we're picking.
I want to see them make the best they can out of the Watson situation. Whether they trade him, bench him, play him.
I couldn't care less who Easterby hires as the equipment room manager.
Fair enough. But, we are assuming that the current rock bottom is a temporary rest stop and not a long term destination. Rock bottom could be a string of losing seasons, multiple head coaches, and catastrophic organizational failure that leads to something the Browns experienced for decades until recently. I feel like I've already seen this movie as an Oilers fan.I’m of the mindset that this is pretty much rock bottom and the team can only go up from here. All these moves being made signal to me that the McNairs are hitting the reset button on the organization and setting it back up to represent what THEY want it to and in that regard, as a fan, I don’t really have a problem with that.
Exactly, Cal McNair spent nearly 20 years as the presumptive leader of the franchise who had plenty of time to learn the business and even practice this before his father passed. Instead, he consistently proven to be overly influenced by anyone with any sense of a strong personality. Rick Smith buttkissed his way into being godfather Cal's children, BOB bullied his way into being GM, and the Easterly has just bullspitted Cal. This is a consistent and seemingly worsening pattern of character flaw and behavior.Rootes probably realized that Cal is nothing like his father, that Cal is incapable of building - much less maintaining - a multi-billion dollar corporation, and that Cal is a gullible goober that can easily be manipulated by a con-man.
His departure does not move the needle for me, but it does confirm our on-going suspicions that Cal McNair is the root of the problem with this franchise. Easterby this / Easterby that, the truth is he is only representing Cal's orders, who seems to lack the testicular fortitude to do his own dirty work.
Long haul is that this franchise is going to be a crap organization for years to come if Cal McNair is running it. Rootes jumped ship before it completely submerges.
For Texan players in there we need to refer to it as the "Ring of Horror" for wasting their careers.so-called 'ring of honor'.
Ohhh, so taco night?For Texan players in there we need to refer to it as the "Ring of Horror" for wasting their careers.
Personally I've never bought into the "wasting their careers" idea. Nobody forces them to sign on the dotted line after their rookie deals. Its not hard for a player to get moved to a championship team they just have to be willing to take whatever pay they will offer. Players want to make the big money and I don't blame them at all for that, I would to, but there is nothing in the contract that says a franchise has to put a championship team around them. Often times the choice comes down to making the big money or being on a championship team. Most players take the money and then cry about their wasted career.For Texan players in there we need to refer to it as the "Ring of Horror" for wasting their careers.
Cal is the reason that it is going to take a lot longer than 5 years, unless the McNairs plan on selling the team before then.Well I picked 5 years because by then Cal should have fired all things Patriots.