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JaDeveon Clowney

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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Clowney didn't bite when asked about the turf and his injury. Said he just came down on it wrong. #Texans

"I miss playing football. I miss being out there with my teammates, practicing every day. I’m just ready to get back there" Clowney. #Texans

Clowney said he's just started jogging. Hopes it'll be a few more weeks. #Texans
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
"Going through the hard part to get to the good part, I guess, the playing again." JD Clowney on being injured three times as a pro

Clowney says the injury happened because he came down funny when asked if it was turf

Clowney says he hopes he will be back in a few weeks. Recently started running.

Clowney says his rehab is coming along good.
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
Clowney said turf didn't cause his injury. "Very tough" to be injured in first NFL game.

Clowney hopes to be back in a few weeks

Clowney: Rehab is coming along good. Said he's taking it day by day

Clowney: Don't ask no questions about my injury.
Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew
"Yeah. I'm gettin right."- #Texans OLB Jadeveon Clowney on rehab. Thinks he'll be back in "a few weeks".
 
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cland

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Today we really really missed having Clowney on the field. I don't want them to rush him at all--let him come back long-term healthy, but having another big-time defensive pass-rusher would have made all the difference in the world against the Cowboys.
 

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Doubt he returns earlier than a stated target date.

I think our defense has played pretty darn well, so far.
Very true but the guy struggling a lot is Whitney Mercilus. With Clowney we'd become a much better pass rush and run-stuffing team. As good as we've been on defense without Clowney we're still giving up too many big plays, both in the passing game and running game. With Jadeveon Clowney we'd limit those big plays. We'd become a top 5 defense eventually. In terms of yardage. Right now we're not a good yardage defense. We're good at forcing turnovers though. We're okay in points allowed but could be better if we don't give up so many big plays.
 

Texecutioner

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Just shut him down the rest of the year. Let him sit at home and heal. No point in rushing him back at this point. We don't need another injury where he might be out for next year too. Let him heal from all of these concussions, bone spurs, knee problems, and whatever other problems like a broken nail that might be existing with him.
 

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Our chances to make the playoffs are a lot better with Jadeveon Clowney returning sooner rather than later. If the Texans beat the Colts on Thursday Night and are in first place in the AFC South with a 4-2 record they can maybe afford to rest Clowney against the Steelers. Wins will buy more time but we don't want him to miss too many games. He's on schedule to return for the Steelers game which is 11 days after the Colts game.
 

leebigeztx

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Texans got good pressure on romo, but lb coverage and db coverage has been subpar. You can have an awesome pass rush, but if lbw cant squeeze windows and dbs giving free releases off a blitz, it doesnt matter. Not saying he wont get better, but its not like clowney did alot in his 1st game rushing the passer.
 

xtruroyaltyx

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Texans Need Clowney back. There is no other OLB or D-lineman that teams have to worry about in the slightest.

We struggle to get pressure if it's not Watt or someone coming on a blitz. Having at least one more player that can at least do better than the guys we've been trotting out would be a huge help.

This team needs to get some pass rushers on the D-line and at OLB in the worst way. Mainly at OLB...Just need some guys on the interior that can penetrate sometimes.

Chris Jones would have been nice to have right now.
 

HOU-TEX

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Texans Need Clowney back. There is no other OLB or D-lineman that teams have to worry about in the slightest.

We struggle to get pressure if it's not Watt or someone coming on a blitz. Having at least one more player that can at least do better than the guys we've been trotting out would be a huge help.

This team needs to get some pass rushers on the D-line and at OLB in the worst way. Mainly at OLB...Just need some guys on the interior that can penetrate sometimes.

Chris Jones would have been nice to have right now.
Agreed. Watching Mercilus play is getting downright depressing. Dude can't rush the passer and he's now struggling against the run. Reed is JAG

Crick does about everything right, but doesn't finish. Several missed plays that would've a short or no gain

It still irks me seeing Jones play for the Pats
 

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Cody Stoots ‏@Cody_Stoots
Bill O'Brien told Tracy Wolfson of CBS he expects Jadeveon Clowney to be back for Monday night game against the Steelers.
That would be Week 7 Mon, Oct 20 @Pittsburgh... in pencil.
 

EVOLVIST

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I'm on the phone right now with the Vikes, seeing if they'd like to make a 1:1 trade - Bridgewater for Clowney. Hell, I'll even throw in a 3rd rounder next year, Kevin Costner style.
 

Scooter

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watt looks exhausted. i'm sure it's tiring carrying 40 other players as well as a coaching staff, but with the extra rest until monday and clowney on the way we should be back on track. get morris outside, kareem in the slot, swearinger on the sideline and with clowney we have the best defense in football.

i truly hope we do away with the shuffling on defense. put watt at LDE - either inside or out. put clowney at RDE/ROLB outside. and stop effing with it.
 

amazing80

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This is not a MEDIAL meniscus.........this is a LATERAL meniscus injury/excision......a much worse animal that NEEDS much more rehab time.......whether he ends up being given it or not.
How much time would you recommend from the start, because if I am not mistaken this would put him at 6 weeks, the longer of the suggested recovery time (4-6).
 

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Yeah, I watched that after I posted.

One thing with JD, his facial expressions are easy to read. You see the hesitation in the earlier posted video interview of him. He reminds me of my nephews when they were kiddos... could not lie without giving it away. Open books. I tell them, if you ever cheat on your wives/girlfriends you're already caught.
 

HouTx11

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If there is any doubt they should rest him. Good chance the Texans won't be winning in Pittsburgh anyways. Just hope to have him rested and ready for the Tennessee game, a much more possible game for the Texans to win.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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How much time would you recommend from the start, because if I am not mistaken this would put him at 6 weeks, the longer of the suggested recovery time (4-6).
Because the Texans put out such a short return to play prediction, I had to assume that the excision was a VERY small area. And yet I stated in an early post that I felt that rehab if all went well would legitimately require at least 6-8 weeks.......if all went well........and the injury was very minor (without additional "withheld" injury).

The reason that rehab is so much longer and harder than for the medial meniscus is that the lateral meniscus
has been shown to be responsible for about 70% of load transmission across the joint.

Here is my previous post shortly after the surgery announcement.
QUOTE=CloakNNNdagger;2381396]With the estimate of 4-6 weeks given by the Texans, they have to be talking about a very small lateral meniscus tear in which they intend to be "removing" a small portion of the meniscus (removal of any portion of a meniscus is referred to as a "meniscectomy"). If they go in there and decide to perform a "repair" of the meniscus or if they have to remove a significant section of the meniscus, I would not expect him to return this season. (I explained the "excision" vs. "repair" implications in a Louis Nix thread a while back.......Nix underwent the latter.) Keep in mind that lateral meniscus tears when compared to comparable tears in the medial meniscus carry a greater degree of concern as far as return to play and the level at which the performance may be affected upon return.

I'd like to share with you the abstract of a very recent and very-appropriate-to-this-discussion study that came out in the American Journal of Sports Medicine just a couple of months ago [published on June 9, 2014].......co-authored by Dr. James Andrew the "orthopedic guru."
Return to Play After Partial Lateral Meniscectomy in National
Football League Athletes


Kyle T. Aune,*y MPH, James R. Andrews,y MD, Jeffrey R. Dugas,y MD,
and E. Lyle Cain Jr,y MD
Investigation performed at the American Sports Medicine Institute, Birmingham, Alabama, USA

Background: Lateral meniscal injury is a common and possibly career-threatening injury among players in the National Football League (NFL). The rate of return to play (RTP) and factors that affect RTP after lateral meniscal injury in NFL players are currently not defined.

Purpose: The aims of this study were to determine the rate of RTP to regular-season NFL game play of NFL players after arthroscopic partial lateral meniscectomy and to identify factors that can predict the ability to return to play.

Study Design: Case series; Level of evidence, 4.

Methods: Seventy-two patients undergoing 77 arthroscopic lateral partial meniscectomies were followed to determine the rate of RTP (defined as successful RTP in at least 1 regular-season NFL game after meniscectomy) and factors predicting players’ ability to return to play. Perioperative variables were recorded using retrospective chart review. Players’ heights and weights, dates of return, draft rounds, and counts of games, starts, and seasons both before and after meniscectomy were all collected from statistical databases maintained by the NFL. Chi-square and Student t tests were performed to assess differences among covariates with respect to an athlete’s ability to return to play, and odds ratios were calculated as appropriate. All percentages were calculated as percent of total procedures performed (n = 77).

Results:
Of the 77 partial lateral meniscectomies performed, 61% (n = 47) resulted in the athlete returning to play at his previous level of competition with an average length of time to RTP of 8.5 months; 19 (40%) of those who returned were still active in the NFL at the time of follow-up. Age at time of surgery, games and seasons played before surgery, and individual position were not significantly different between those who did and did not return to play. Undergoing a concomitant procedure did not affect an athlete’s ability to return to play, nor did concurrent arthroscopic anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction affect a player’s likelihood to return to play. Players drafted in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft were 3.7 times more likely to return to play than players drafted after the fourth round, and players who started more than 46.2% of their games played (the mean value for this population) were 2.8 times more likely to return to play. Speed-position players (running backs, receivers, linebackers, and defensive backs) were 4.0 times less likely to return to play than non–speed position players (linemen and tight ends).

Conclusion: The majority of NFL players undergoing arthroscopic lateral meniscectomy are able to return to play. Players selected earlier in the NFL draft and who are listed as starters in more of their games are more likely to return to play, as are linemen and tight ends. It is significantly more difficult for running backs, receivers, linebackers, and defensive backs to return to play.



Keep the following in mind re. this study.


Among those who returned, the average length of time until return was 8.5 months, although 4 players returned during the same season. Regarding those 4 procedures, 2 surgeries occurred in October, with an average return time of 29 days, and the other 2 occurred in December, with return after 19 days in each case. However, 1 of these early returners required a subsequent partial lateral meniscectomy immediately after the season in
which he underwent the original surgery.

It would seem that the 4 short rehab outliers had very minimal meniscus damage in order to return so much sooner than the 8.5 month average. We can only hope that Clowney is one of those with minimal damage. However, we must always remember that short return to play period forced early due to inadequate rehab tends to carry bad outcomes.
 

badboy

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based on what has happened with other injured players rushed back, I am not optimistic that Clowney will be ready when he comes back.
 

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If he comes back for the Pitts game that would be, early I thought he would deff be back for the Philly or unless they hold, him till after the bye that would give him more time then ever

Since the Philly game might not mean any thing other then pride
 

infantrycak

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I want to see him fully healthy.
no groin stuff
no bone spurs
nothing.

A 100% Clowney with the Juggernaut
potentially amazing
He's still fighting the bone spur surgery. This is why he was no more than a late 1st rounder to me. But I desperately want to be proven wrong.
 

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If he comes back for the Pitts game that would be, early I thought he would deff be back for the Philly or unless they hold, him till after the bye that would give him more time then ever

Since the Philly game might not mean any thing other then pride
Wouldn't the Monday Night game at Pittsburgh indicate exactly six weeks since he had surgery? He was supposed to be out 4-to-6 weeks. That would be the latest return that was expected. I was hoping he'd have been ready for the Cowboys or Colts game. We'd probably have won both of those games, if not one, had he played.
 

Bulls on Parade

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There is a sense or urgency for Jadeveon Clowney to play at Pittsburgh next Monday Night. At 3-3 we can't afford anymore losses if we want to fight for a wild-card spot. I expect the Texans to beat the Steelers, Titans and Eagles and head into a much needed bye week with a 6-3 record.

We'd be no worse than one game back of the Colts for first place and in the driver's seat for one of the AFC wild-card spots. With 14 days to prepare against the Browns. We should be 7-3 after 10 games. Thinking positive here.
 

ObsiWan

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He's still fighting the bone spur surgery. This is why he was no more than a late 1st rounder to me. But I desperately want to be proven wrong.
Then Clowney's nutzo. I'd have fixed them both. I was going to be out for 6-8 weeks anyway. Why not let both ailments be mending at the same time?

Unless bone spurs take way longer to heal than his other injury...
Doc??
 

infantrycak

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Then Clowney's nutzo. I'd have fixed them both. I was going to be out for 6-8 weeks anyway. Why not let both ailments be mending at the same time?

Unless bone spurs take way longer to heal than his other injury...
Doc??
Doc thought he should have had the bone spurs removed the day after the draft.
 

ObsiWan

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Doc thought he should have had the bone spurs removed the day after the draft.
I remember.
My question is, if he'd taken care of the spurs when he got the other surgery would he be out for even longer than the 6-8 weeks we're looking at now?
 
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