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Jacoby's Gotta Go/**UPDATE**Released

thunderkyss said:
regardless how the money is guaranteed, unless it was a $3M signing bonus, there will be no dead money. Your link actually proves our point.... the signing bonus was not $3M.
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You are correct , there will be NO dead money if Jacoby is cut.


Ive said several times in multiple threads .... I expect both he and Leinart to be cap casualties.

For his production Jacoby is overpaid. They can find a mid round draft pick to return punts , carry #80's helmet after practice and hold his jockstrap on Sundays.


Cant believe this thread is still going


cbs1507 said:
I am providing the support. From my source (and many others) we can determine that Jacoby got a 3 year $10.5 million with $3 million guaranteed.

I provided the framework for how it is possible.
I provided the 3 clauses that a player can utilize to protect their guaranteed money.
I provided the reasoning for why he would not violate the clauses he might not be protected by.

If you chose to ignore it, so be it.
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Jacoby's already gotten his guaranteed money.


You chose to argue with the wrong people ..... I have a headache from this thread.
 
Texan_Bill said:
While I don't share your enthusiam in calling Jacoby a POS, I do share your enthusiam in "cutting bait" with him.... He's had five years and has not garnered his current contract... C'YA!!

CUT BAIT, NOW!!!!
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The minimum salaries for NFL players have increased by $55,000 across the board. For 2011, that means rookies will get $375,000. Players with one year of service get $450,000. Two years of service will push the minimum to $525,000.

Players with three years of service will make a minimum of $600,000. For players with four to six years of service, the minimum salary is $685,000. Seven to nine, $810,000.
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Do you know how much Jacoby made (per his new contract) in 2011?
 
Corrosion said:
You are correct , there will be NO dead money if Jacoby is cut.


Ive said several times in multiple threads .... I expect both he and Leinart to be cap casualties.

For his production Jacoby is overpaid. They can find a mid round draft pick to return punts , carry #80's helmet after practice and hold his jockstrap on Sundays.


Cant believe this thread is still going





Jacoby's already gotten his guaranteed money.


You chose to argue with the wrong people ..... I have a headache from this thread.
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Even if he got his $3 million upfront, it did not count against the cap last year. NFL contracts do not work that way. Most contracts are back loaded. Teams do not evenly divide a contract to be dispersed over the duration of the contact. He did not get 1/3 of his contract last season (which is probably what most of you are thinking). He got a signing bonus of $450k, which is prorated over the life of the contract ($150k per year). That means $2.5 million of the guaranteed $3 million was base salary. I guarantee you that we did not give him $2.5 million base salary last year. Therefore, if we cut him whatever has not been accounted for will be accrued in its entirety next season ($3 million guaranteed - $150k prorated signing bonus + 2011 base salary = dead cap space if we cut Jacoby this offseason).

He may just have have gotten his guaranteed money (but I have reason to believe otherwise). Anyway, I am not saying we will owe him money if we cut him. I am saying we will have dead cap space (there are some contingencies). There's a difference. Of course you would have to read my other posts to see the full spectrum because I do not feel like rehashing it.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
LOL, you think this guy got under my skin... Bwahahahaha! :ahhaha:


:fingergun: Hey bud, you might want to check who's sending who private messages here like a little drama queen. Just logged on and the queen has been hitting up my P.M. box

This dude doesn't have me "running in circles". He's the one who's been "running around" putting out Jacoby fires. Gee I wonder why?

P.S.

Does anybody else here find it strange that we now have newbs signing up to defend Jacoby? Hmm.... makes you think huh? Must be a family affair. :)
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I dont defend JJ. I simply think Yates played a bigger part in our loss against the Ravens. I would be just fine with JJ gone
 
Kaiser Toro said:
A noob knows, what he does not know. Ignore, and troll on.
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Duuuude, are you Cantus the Minstrel?

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Re-watching the game right now. Just damn. Texans start off poised to kick Raven ass. Then BOOM. Surely the kids of the coaches and owner will tell them to do what has to be done.
 
clutch said:
just cut the guy...his 3 million can go toward Foster and Marios contracts..
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Exactly.....


except his salary for 2011 was $470K, in 2012, he might break $800K..

in other words, he'll probably never see a $3M cap number.
 
2012Champs said:
I dont defend JJ. I simply think Yates played a bigger part in our loss against the Ravens. I would be just fine with JJ gone
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TJYates is the third string QB who stepped in because Jeff Garcia forgot to leave the old folks home knuckle head.

Jones is a 5 year vet who is constantly having issues with handling the ball on punts. I guess he was dipping his crab in melted butter waiting to go in but the deal is he is a five year veteran with problems, not a rookie with problems, A rookie with problems we can fix, Jacoby has cooked his goose
 
Joe Texan said:
TJYates is the third string QB who stepped in because Jeff Garcia forgot to leave the old folks home knuckle head.

Jones is a 5 year vet who is constantly having issues with handling the ball on punts. I guess he was dipping his crab in melted butter waiting to go in but the deal is he is a five year veteran with problems, not a rookie with problems, A rookie with problems we can fix, Jacoby has cooked his goose
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Another outlandish claim. Other than his bad year in 2008 (4 fumbles), he only has 3 fumbles in the other 4 years. He had 1 fumble in his rookie season and 2 fumbles in 2009. He finished the 2009 season with 11 consecutive games without a fumble. He then carried this streak of ZERO fumbles for 44 consecutive games prior to our loss against the Ravens. So much for "having trouble handling the ball on punts."

Rep please (positive). If anybody has the audacity to make a claim with no proof and I debunk it I think I deserve it. ;)

Edit: I didn't think it was that serious to ask for rep. I feel like I made a good point that was backed with FACT and not talking out of my arsecrack like some people on here. Ok sue me, i'm guilty of feeling myself (forgive me). Look if you don't agree you don't have to give me rep (positive). But to give me negative rep is childish. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean you have to give out neg. rep when I make a valid point you can't deny. Oh well.

BTW I spread rep back so I don't see what's the big deal.
 
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cbs1507 said:
Another outlandish claim. Other than his bad year in 2008 (4 fumbles), he only has 3 fumbles in the other 4 years. He had 1 fumble in his rookie season and 2 fumbles in 2009. He finished the 2009 season with 11 consecutive games without a fumble. He then carried this streak of ZERO fumbles for 44 consecutive games prior to our loss against the Ravens. So much for "having trouble handling the ball on punts."

Rep please (positive). If anybody has the audacity to make a claim with no proof and I debunk it I think I deserve it. ;)
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Begging for rep? Seriously? I think this has to be the first time I've seen that on this board. You've reached an all-time low my friend. Now you and Jacoby have something in common.
 
cbs1507 said:
Another outlandish claim. Other than his bad year in 2008 (4 fumbles), he only has 3 fumbles in the other 4 years. He had 1 fumble in his rookie season and 2 fumbles in 2009. He finished the 2009 season with 11 consecutive games without a fumble. He then carried this streak of ZERO fumbles for 44 consecutive games prior to our loss against the Ravens. So much for "having trouble handling the ball on punts."

Rep please (positive). If anybody has the audacity to make a claim with no proof and I debunk it I think I deserve it. ;)

Edit: I didn't think it was that serious to ask for rep. I feel like I made a good point that was backed with FACT and not talking out of my arsecrack like some people on here. Ok sue me, i'm guilty of feeling myself (forgive me). Look if you don't agree you don't have to give me rep (positive). But to give me negative rep is childish. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean you have to give out neg. rep when I make a valid point you can't deny. Oh well.

BTW I spread rep back so I don't see what's the big deal.
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My problem with Jones is that he's consistently inconsistence and has a propensity for making bone-headed plays. He doesn't perform as a receiver and will make as many poor to awful punt returns as he does good ones.
I was on the ditch Jones bandwagon last offseason, as many others were, last offseason. This is not a knee jerk reaction for a lot of us.
 
Joe Texan said:
TJYates is the third string QB who stepped in because Jeff Garcia forgot to leave the old folks home knuckle head.

Jones is a 5 year vet who is constantly having issues with handling the ball on punts. I guess he was dipping his crab in melted butter waiting to go in but the deal is he is a five year veteran with problems, not a rookie with problems, A rookie with problems we can fix, Jacoby has cooked his goose
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Make your excuses where you want to. I dont care who has been on the team for X number of year. Get read of Jones. After that Yates played a bigger part in our loss and the end to our season.
 
When Schaub was at QB Jacoby has done ok for himself.

Anybody think Jacoby's lack of production this year had anything to do with a rookie QB throwing him the ball?

Yeah, he f'd up in the play-offs on that return...That was a big mistake and even though he hadn't fumbled all season long THAT mistake will linger in peoples' minds.

If they keep Jacoby, I'd understand (although I lean towards wanting him gone)...If they cut him, I'd understand that too. I won't complain either way though.

But they definitely should look to upgrade the WR position.
 
Rey said:
When Schaub was at QB Jacoby has done ok for himself.

Anybody think Jacoby's lack of production this year had anything to do with a rookie QB throwing him the ball?

Yeah, he f'd up in the play-offs on that return...That was a big mistake and even though he hadn't fumbled all season long THAT mistake will linger in peoples' minds.

If they keep Jacoby, I'd understand (although I lean towards wanting him gone)...If they cut him, I'd understand that too. I won't complain either way though.

But they definitely should look to upgrade the WR position.
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A bit revisionist. Andre went out in week 5 and Schaub went down week 10. Where was Jacoby those 5 weeks? He had 14 receptions in those 5 weeks.
 
Texan_Bill said:
A bit revisionist. Andre went out in week 5 and Schaub went down week 10. Where was Jacoby those 5 weeks? He had 14 receptions in those 5 weeks.
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That averages out to about 3 receptions a game. That's not bad at all...

How many receptions did KW, OD, Dreesen have during that same 5 week time period?


He's not a #2 receiver...Really, he's not even a #3. OD is the #2 receiver on the team and KW is the starter at the #2 receiver. Really Jacoby is somewhere between #3 and #4 receiving option when AJ is healthy. When he's not healthy he moves up to #2 or #3 maybe..


Matt's completion percentage this year was lower than it's been since his first year here, although he was hitting on more big plays than he ever had.

I clearly stated that I leaned towards Jacoby being cut. But that said, I am going to look at the whole picture. Jacoby made a stupid play, he's not a great WR, but he is not awful either.
 
Rey said:
That averages out to about 3 receptions a game. That's not bad at all...

How many receptions did KW, OD, Dreesen have during that same 5 week time period?


He's not a #2 receiver...Really, he's not even a #3. OD is the #2 receiver on the team and KW is the starter at the #2 receiver. Really Jacoby is somewhere between #3 and #4 receiving option when AJ is healthy. When he's not healthy he moves up to #2 or #3 maybe..


Matt's completion percentage this year was lower than it's been since his first year here, although he was hitting on more big plays than he ever had.

I clearly stated that I leaned towards Jacoby being cut. But that said, I am going to look at the whole picture. Jacoby made a stupid play, he's not a great WR, but he is not awful either.
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For an alleged #1 receiver, just under three receptions is terrible. 5 receptions a game gets you 80 over a 16 game season.
 
Rey said:
That averages out to about 3 receptions a game. That's not bad at all...

How many receptions did KW, OD, Dreesen have during that same 5 week time period?


He's not a #2 receiver...Really, he's not even a #3. OD is the #2 receiver on the team and KW is the starter at the #2 receiver. Really Jacoby is somewhere between #3 and #4 receiving option when AJ is healthy. When he's not healthy he moves up to #2 or #3 maybe..


Matt's completion percentage this year was lower than it's been since his first year here, although he was hitting on more big plays than he ever had.

I clearly stated that I leaned towards Jacoby being cut. But that said, I am going to look at the whole picture. Jacoby made a stupid play, he's not a great WR, but he is not awful either.
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the last 3 games Yates wasnt going to throw to anyone more than 5 yards out 99% of the time
 
Rey said:
Who calls him a #1 receiver?

More importantly, when has Jacoby ever been treated like a #1 receiver?
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He's our #1 (allegedly) when AJ is down because it certainly isn't Walter.


AJ 33 receptions and targeted 51 times.

JJ 31 receptions and targeted 64 times.
 
Texan_Bill said:
He's our #1 (allegedly) when AJ is down because it certainly isn't Walter.
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I've never actually heard the team say that. Maybe Kubiak has and I just have missed it.

But if that is the case that seems a little dysfuntional to me. You go from being the #3 or #4 guy to the #1?

And still, being moved up a slot because of injury doesn't mean you are treated the same way the guy before you was treated. I don't think anyone expected Jacoby to step in and play at Dre's level.
 
Rey said:
If they keep Jacoby, I'd understand (although I lean towards wanting him gone)...If they cut him, I'd understand that too. I won't complain either way though.

But they definitely should look to upgrade the WR position.
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I agree on all points. Won't cry if they cut Jacoby. But he's so cheap, he pretty much made the league minimum in 2011, I can't see them cutting him.

Need a receiver, a real #2 receiver, or OD needs to be that weapon we all think he is.

True, if Schaub had not gone down, OD may have been that guy, Jj & KDub's numbers may have been where they "need" to be.

But..... Jacoby produced what his contract said he "should" 3-4 WR numbers. He made two plays this year that shows you how we need to use him, that TD in Baltimore on Reed, & the first play of the Tampa game where he shook two defenders & ran 60+ yards for a TD.

He had other opportunities where he fell short... more than not. But I'd rather have Jacoby Jones than Lance More or Robert Meachum. Neither of them could have made the two plays I'm talking about, & neither return punts (not that Jj needs to be doing that any more).
 
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drs23 said:
Thanks for pointing that out. IIRC, they ran the same play against Cincy and the ball went right through his hands.
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Different play, but yes.... right through his hands.

Not trying to change anyone's opinion, but the way it is presented here is as if this does not happen to other WRs..... more than others, maybe.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree on all points. Won't cry if they cut Jacoby. But he's so cheap, he pretty much made the league minimum in 2011, I can't see them cutting him. Need a receiver, a real #2 receiver, or OD needs to be that weapon we all think he is.

True, if Schaub had not gone down, OD may have been that guy, Jj & KDub's numbers may have been where they "need" to be.

But..... Jacoby produced what his contract said he "should" 3-4 WR numbers. He made two plays this year that shows you how we need to use him, that TD in Baltimore on Reed, & the first play of the Tampa game where he shook two defenders & ran 60+ yards for a TD.

He had other opportunities where he fell short... more than not. But I'd rather have Jacoby Jones than Lance More or Robert Meachum. Neither of them could have made the two plays I'm talking about, & neither return punts (not that Jj needs to be doing that any more).
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I also see Jacoby here next year. OD is good don't get me wrong and he might come back in better health next year but he is above average only now as a TE.
 
gafftop said:
I also see Jacoby here next year. OD is good don't get me wrong and he might come back in better health next year but he is above average only now as a TE.
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If Jones was paid 3.5 mill this past season then he is a cap casualty. If he was paid 617k then he has a good shot to stay on the team.
 
Hervoyel said:
742 posts in this thread and Jacoby Jones still hasn't been cut? I'm starting to think that the Texans aren't reading this board or basing their decisions on what we want. Amazing.
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How many players have been cut, across the nfl, so far this year?


744
 
Hervoyel said:
742 posts in this thread and Jacoby Jones still hasn't been cut? I'm starting to think that the Texans aren't reading this board or basing their decisions on what we want. Amazing.
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No waaay....
They can't be THAT short-sighted.
:D
 
Seeing that SuperBowl commercial w the Coca-Cola bear fumbling the bottle around reminded me of Jacoby Jones punt returns. ...smh...Still angry.
 
PapaL said:
Seeing that SuperBowl commercial w the Coca-Cola bear fumbling the bottle around reminded me of Jacoby Jones punt returns. ...smh...Still angry.
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I made a joke about the same thing.

Everyone knew exactly what I was talking about.

:kubepalm:
 
PapaL said:
Seeing that SuperBowl commercial w the Coca-Cola bear fumbling the bottle around reminded me of Jacoby Jones punt returns. ...smh...Still angry.
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That's funny! I said the same thing. After watching this game I'm even more ticked off cause we could have beaten either one of these teams, WITH TJ YATES!! Oh well, we'll take over New Orleans next year and turn that town RED, WHITE, and BLUE!!
 
PapaL said:
Seeing that SuperBowl commercial w the Coca-Cola bear fumbling the bottle around reminded me of Jacoby Jones punt returns. ...smh...Still angry.
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I would take the bear over JJ for the following reasons:

- Bear secured possession of the ball for a touchdown(?)
- Bear is much more scary to any opposing D than JJ
- Bear is way cooler/cuter than JJ can ever aspire to be
 
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