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Is the "Patriots Way (methods) really that bad?

Is it really that bad?


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Mollywhopper

Facilitator
Staff member
I think the Patriot Way evolved over time.

Brady would've likely never been what he's become if he'd landed anywhere but NE coming out of Michigan.

Belichick would've certainly never hit his heights as a HC without Brady.

Brady was molded (and to his credit was entirely susceptible to this molding) as a 6th round pick initially by Belichick and his approach. Belichick's ways guided the early years while Brady was essentially the game managing extension of the 'system'. Over time though Brady learned and adapted and grew into a capable leader. The effect then of having a mega-successful/mega-star QB leading and setting the example for your 'method' was priceless. Further over time it became apparent that Brady was so dug in, so committed, and so capable that he didn't necessarily need a mentor/teacher. This is when he 'became the system' aka 'The Patriot Way'. And so he was able to take it elsewhere where others have failed.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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I think the Patriot Way evolved over time.

Brady would've likely never been what he's become if he'd landed anywhere but NE coming out of Michigan.

Belichick would've certainly never hit his heights as a HC without Brady.

Brady was molded (and to his credit was entirely susceptible to this molding) as a 6th round pick initially by Belichick and his approach. Belichick's ways guided the early years while Brady was essentially the game managing extension of the 'system'. Over time though Brady learned and adapted and grew into a capable leader. The effect then of having a mega-successful/mega-star QB leading and setting the example for your 'method' was priceless. Further over time it became apparent that Brady was so dug in, so committed, and so capable that he didn't necessarily need a mentor/teacher. This is when he 'became the system' aka 'The Patriot Way'. And so he was able to take it elsewhere where others have failed.
Agreed with most of this except that game mgr lead them down the field to a GW FG with a min left on the clock in a SB.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
He went in for Brian and pulled out games. Where did you think they got "The Comeback Kid" nickname from?
And they actually split time till Brady beat him out
Are you sure about that? Griese was setting records his senior year, Rose Bowl MVP his last season, and was drafted. Brady started after that. That’s how I remember it.

97 Wolverines:

98 Rose Bowl:
 

Earl34

All Pro
I think the Patriot Way evolved over time.

Brady would've likely never been what he's become if he'd landed anywhere but NE coming out of Michigan.

Belichick would've certainly never hit his heights as a HC without Brady.

Brady was molded (and to his credit was entirely susceptible to this molding) as a 6th round pick initially by Belichick and his approach. Belichick's ways guided the early years while Brady was essentially the game managing extension of the 'system'. Over time though Brady learned and adapted and grew into a capable leader. The effect then of having a mega-successful/mega-star QB leading and setting the example for your 'method' was priceless. Further over time it became apparent that Brady was so dug in, so committed, and so capable that he didn't necessarily need a mentor/teacher. This is when he 'became the system' aka 'The Patriot Way'. And so he was able to take it elsewhere where others have failed.
Great points. It evolved over time. Belichick was a great defensive coach. The offense and Brady evolved over the years. They went from a Parcells' EP offense to heavy 12 personnel with Gronk and Hernandez, to a vertical downfield passing game with Moss while implementing many spread offense and R&S concepts with Welker and Edelman.

The Patriots Way is that with an unknown 6th round pick they caught "lightning in the bottle". The pairing of a great defensive minded HC who taught his offensive staff how to exploit defenses and a QB with the intelligence to view defenses through the eyes of his HC. Brady developed into an on field OC and they tailored the offense to his strength and intelligence. Belichick, Charlie Weiss and the offensive staff laid the foundation for Brady and to his credit, he soaked it up. Wannabes like McDaniels and O'Brien were simply partners with Brady to develop the weekly game plans and Brady executes that game plan at a very high level.

Belichick have these processes in place to compartmentalized and divide the personnel work. It's a collaborative effort with one voice and one vision driving the process. The problem with hiring guys like O'Brien, McDaniel and Patricia to duplicate the Patriots Way, is they tend to over estimate their contributions to the Patriots Way. It's Brady and Belichick, the rest are bit players, but they get HC jobs and they want to behave and have the power like Belichick while lacking the vision, experience and knowledge.

In other words, you can duplicate the processes, the organization. But without some luck along with Belichick and Brady, trying to duplicate the Patriots Way is a fools errand. I would prefer an owner who has a vision for his team and hire people to execute that vision. If the owner is inexperienced then they should hire an EXPERIENCED person to run football ops to set the vision for the organization. When you think of the Steelers, regardless of the HC, the first thing that comes to mind is strong running game, 3-4 blitzing defense, downfield passing attack. You don't think of gibberish like "game plan" offense.
 
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CWTexansFan

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Great points. It evolved over time. Belichick was a great defensive coach. The offense and Brady evolved over the years. They went from a Parcells' EP offense to heavy 12 personnel with Gronk and Hernandez, to a vertical downfield passing game with Moss while implementing many spread offense and R&S concepts with Welker and Edelman.

The Patriots Way is that with an unknown 6th round pick they caught "lightning in the bottle". The pairing of a great defensive minded HC who taught his offensive staff how to exploit defenses and a QB with the intelligence to view defenses through the eyes of his HC. Brady developed into an on field OC and they tailored the offense to his strength and intelligence. Belichick, Charlie Weiss and the offensive staff laid the foundation for Brady and to his credit, he soaked it up. Wannabes like McDaniels and O'Brien were simply partners with Brady to develop the weekly game plans and Brady executes that game plan at a very high level.

Belichick have these processes in place to compartmentalized and divide the personnel work. It's a collaborative effort with one voice and one vision driving the process. The problem with hiring guys like O'Brien, McDaniel and Patricia to duplicate the Patriots Way, is they tend to over estimate their contributions to the Patriots Way. It's Brady and Belichick, the rest are bit players, but they get HC jobs and they want to behave and have the power like Belichick while lacking the vision, experience and knowledge.

In other words, you can duplicate the processes, the organization. But without some luck along with Belichick and Brady, trying to duplicate the Patriots Way is a fools errand. I would prefer an owner who has a vision for his team and hire people to execute that vision. If the owner is inexperienced then they should hire an EXPERIENCED person to run football ops to set the vision for the organization. When you think of the Steelers, regardless of the HC, the first thing that comes to mind is strong running game, 3-4 blitzing defense, downfield passing attack. You don't think of gibberish like "game plan" offense.
I don't really mind the game plan approach, just don't regularly choose the shittiest one.
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
I don't really mind the game plan approach, just don't regularly choose the shittiest one.
Or have one that actually corresponds with and takes advantage of weaknesses of the team you’re playing. It seems like they just draw a game plan out of a hat each week and go with that, no matter who the opponent is and what their weaknesses are.
 

CWTexansFan

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Or have one that actually corresponds with and takes advantage of weaknesses of the team you’re playing. It seems like they just draw a game plan out of a hat each week and go with that, no matter who the opponent is and what their weaknesses are.
Exactly, you're just more verbose and less crass than me when posting.
 

Double Barrel

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You can’t compare him to Peyton in 2005. He’s coming off his 6th round contract & two Super Bowls won by Adam Veneteri.

Believe me, I’m a fan. He’s the GOAT, but he wasn’t even close in 2005.

He wasn’t worth a Manning type deal in 2005.
Sure you can compare. NBC Sports did with that article. Tom Brady continued to take less money from the Patriots throughout his career than he could have gotten on the free market. That's just fact and history at this point.

btw, in 2005, Brady already had two rings and was about to win a third. At that point, Manning had yet to win an AFC championship game.

And last time I checked, it was not Adam Vinatieri that marched the offense down the field with under two minutes on the clock against championship-caliber NFL defenses to set up those field goals.
 

Hookem Horns

Texas Born in Tampa Bay
Staff member
Lets be honest you guys only won because the chiefs line was so bad.....and you had Brady....and Gronk.....and a really good D......and a great DC, but if you take away all of that then Chiefs would have won no doubt. :kitten:
You left out Mike Evans, Leonard Fournette, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, Cameron Brate, a solid O line, and FINALLY a good kicker. Other than that, yeah, the Chiefs should have won. :)
 


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