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Injury Thread

CloakNNNdagger said:
I saw that report yesterday...........I remain skeptical as to the "benign presentation" of his injury with the claim of "avoided structural damage". Labral tears are difficult to see on MRIs. MRIs even with contrast (as is the case with CT scans) can still be challenging in diagnosing shoulder labral tears, especially in an already postoperative shoulder. The only way to accurately rule out a labral tear is to have a direct look into the joint with arthroscopy........I suspect that if he does play, he will be compromised for the remainder of the season and will be a significant risk for subsequent subluxation/dislocation. I still would be surprised if he is able to avoid the need for surgery sometime in the future.
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Would an offseason be enough to return healed up from that surgery? Third time it's been done I believe.
 
PapaL said:
Would an offseason be enough to return healed up from that surgery? Third time it's been done I believe.
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Offseason surgery return to play would depend on the nature of the repair and the time he finally goes to surgery (many times, the player will try to jump through all hoops in rehab hoping to avoid shoulder surgery....for good reason since success is far from ensured. But since he is not returning as a QB, he would be more likely to be ready for the 2017 season. Range of motion though could be compromised and his risk for re-injury would still remain significant.

I came across this interesting detailed account of Miller's shoulder injuries/surgeries:

'My eyebrows raised a little, too': Second shoulder surgery no easy road for Ohio State QB Braxton Miller, experts say
 
Great win but...

I just saw a tweet saying that Clowney was going to get his wrist evaluated at Lucas Oil Stadium.
 
I wanted to remind everyone of something, when trying to interpret the Injury Report "levels of practice participation" at this point in the season. The CBA placed limits on the number of full-contact padded practices during the regular season. Teams are permitted a total of 14 for the year with 11 of those practices conducted during the first 11 weeks of the season (a maximum of one per week).
 
I thought that I would post this 2012 story about Mercilus and the freak injury that helped motivate him to succeed.

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Mercilus enjoyed breakout year after nasty weightlifting injury
  • By Jeff Darlington NFL.com
  • Published: Feb. 22, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
  • Updated: July 26, 2012 at 08:16 p.m.
PHOENIX -- Seated on a bench in the cafeteria at Athletes' Performance in Arizona, Illinois defensive end Whitney Mercilus was attempting to recount how all of this sudden success happened, how he so quickly morphed into a pass-rushing terror.

"I think the tipping point that really set it off was me losing the tip of my finger," Mercilus said. "At any given moment, anything ..."

I have no idea what else Mercilus said. Focus strayed in the 15 seconds that followed, as my eyes were awkwardly attempting to get a glimpse of his hand. Was he serious? Was he really missing part of his finger? Very mature, I know. But also very true.

"Yeah, yeah, oh yeah," Mercilus laughed when I finally interrupted him to ask. "I was screaming the whole time. It freaked me out. The adrenaline was running. That was the tipping point for me to be in the right mindset to break out this year."

Welcome to the week of the NFL Scouting Combine, when the motivation to succeed comes in infinite forms. Welcome to NFL draft preparations, where the stories range from inspirational to ... oh, never mind. Let's get back to the lost fingertip.

Mercilus is now perfectly comfortable discussing the gruesome injury that's less than a year old -- maybe because he believes it helped morph his mindset in a way that led to a NCAA-high 16 sacks. Whatever the reason, it's crazy stuff.

"It was the last week of spring ball," Mercilus said. "It was a weightlifting accident. A teammate was squatting 405 pounds, and he went down too low. He tried to come back up. I ran over to help him, and I tried to give him an assist."

But rather than reaching for the bar, Mercilus made a mistake: His hand instinctively went toward the weight plates between the bar and the rack. The bar came down fast -- too fast -- severing his left index finger at the first knuckle.

"The finger was just sitting there, just chilling there," Mercilus said. "I was just like, 'Oh my gosh, I'm actually looking at the inside of my body right now. I'm looking at my bone.' Which actually really is pure white, by the way."

The tip of his finger (fingernail and all) was too damaged to reattach (credit to the strength coach who peeled it off the bar). Doctors instead used it for skin grafts to cover the open wound on the top of Mercilus' hand. It took more than a month before Mercilus could lift or train again. But when he returned, it was on.

"I never had the mindset of just being a dog out there," Mercilus said. "In my two previous seasons, I was timid. I played slow. The accident changed my mentality. After this happened, that's how I thought about it."

He put more work into his summer training than at any other point in his life. He started playing with a more reckless, tough-nosed mindset. And the results were obvious: In 2010, he started two games and had one sack. In 2011? A totally different story. He led the nation in sacks and forced fumbles. (His nine forced fumbles were also the second most in NCAA history.) In just one season, he was a force at a position that matters so incredibly much to NFL teams.

So, was it all because of a lost fingertip? Probably not, even if Mercilus is very serious when he says it changed his level of focus. Mercilus' motivation likely goes deep into his past. All along, he had it within him. He just had to dig it out.

"I had the tools, but I wasn't able to put it together," Mercilus said. "In spring ball (of 2011), something just clicked for me."

His work ethic should nonetheless not come as a surprise. Mercilus comes from a set of parents who immigrated to the United States from Haiti shortly before he was born. His mother and father have held at least two jobs each ever since, working as caretakers for the elderly. It's another major factor in Mercilus' motivation to succeed in this week's NFL Scouting Combine. He'll now have a prime opportunity to provide for a family that made huge sacrifices for him.

"I don't think any of us can wrap our head around what kind of financial gain we're about to have," Mercilus said. "When it happens, you can't be stupid. It's a blessing. You just have to be smart with it. But it's going to help out my whole family."

A projected first-round selection, Mercilus has this last season to thank for the future ahead of him. His stock skyrocketed. His abilities shined. And his mentality changed in a way that made him the type of high-motor player coveted by general managers.

Last year, Mercilus might have lost the tip of his finger, but he gained something else that has resonated with him ever since.

"It changed how I thought about football," Mercilus said. "Don't just go through the motions. Use all of your ability to the fullest potential that you can. Nothing is promised. Anything can happen.

"You just need to be able to live life to the fullest every single day."
 
What happened to Wendall Williams? Saw him get injured on one play and never heard from him again. I hope we don't have yet another WR injury.
 
chenjy9 said:
That's a huge relief.
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It may or may not be depending the severity of his sprain. The concern is that Miller first sustained an ankle injury the first week of Nov and has been on the Injury Report for this injury since. Recurrent ankle sprains occur in 80% of players with this injury. He has just sustained a recurrence. He was not totally "rested" and rehabbed from his original injury. Recurrence most strongly correlates with premature return to play and a prior ankle injury. As Miller vows not to miss the Bengals game just a week away, he strongly fulfills the predictive factors for another more severe injury, including a compensatory injury to another joint.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It may or may not be depending the severity of his sprain. The concern is that Miller first sustained an ankle injury the first week of Nov and has been on the Injury Report for this injury since. Recurrent ankle sprains occur in 80% of players with this injury. He has just sustained a recurrence. He was not totally "rested" and rehabbed from his original injury. Recurrence most strongly correlates with premature return to play and a prior ankle injury. As Miller vows not to miss the Bengals game just a week away, he strongly fulfills the predictive factors for another more severe injury, including a compensatory injury to another joint.
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Well now... this on top of Capela's bruise turned broken fibula... today has been a terrible day for me.
 
Any word on Novak? We need him to be able to make FG's and kick the ball deep. He did incredible but not sure that will keep up if a real injury
 
Any word on Novak? We need him to be able to make FG's and kick the ball deep. He did incredible but not sure that will keep up if a real injury
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Any word on Novak? We need him to be able to make FG's and kick the ball deep. He did incredible but not sure that will keep up if a real injury
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He made it through the game impressively, but obviously sustained a significant re-injury to the back. Injuries, especially re-injuries, to the back do not typically maximally demonstrate their symptom until 24-48 hour post injury. We'll know soon.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He made it through the game impressively, but obviously sustained a significant re-injury to the back. Injuries, especially re-injuries, to the back do not typically maximally demonstrate their symptom until 24-48 hour post injury. We'll know soon.
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O'Brien in an interview seemed completely unconcerned about him - said "That's just Nick..."
 
Texansphan said:
O'Brien in an interview seemed completely unconcerned about him - said "That's just Nick..."
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I don't believe I've ever seen Novak limp around during any game..............and then again how many times has O'Brien voiced no concern about a player's injury............and the next thing you know, they've missed several games............or found themselves on IR quickly thereafter?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't believe I've ever seen Novak limp around during any game..............and then again how many times has O'Brien voiced no concern about a player's injury............and the next thing you know, they've missed several games............or found themselves on IR quickly thereafter?
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Otoh, how many times have we seen a player looking hurt and receiving treatment constantly on the sidelines come out several times without hesitation and still kick 50 yarders like nothing was wrong?
 
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Texansphan said:
Otoh, how many times have we seen a player looking hurt and receiving treatment constantly on the sidelines come out several times without hesitation and still kick 50 yarders like nothing was wrong?
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DocBar said:
Never
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I would just have to again refer to"
CloakNNNdagger said:
He made it through the game impressively, but obviously sustained a significant re-injury to the back. Injuries, especially re-injuries, to the back do not typically maximally demonstrate their symptom until 24-48 hour post injury. We'll know soon.
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We'll all have our answer for this particular case when we play the Bengals.
 
The fact that we have not heard of any kickers in for tryouts means we either are ok with Nick, or BoB thinks Savage will be perfect in the red zone and hit half of our 2 point conversions. We then just need Wilfork to throw his weight into kickoffs (kidding). Honestly, they must think things are ok
 
Rich Schmidt said:
The fact that we have not heard of any kickers in for tryouts means we either are ok with Nick, or BoB thinks Savage will be perfect in the red zone and hit half of our 2 point conversions. We then just need Wilfork to throw his weight into kickoffs (kidding). Honestly, they must think things are ok
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Certainly won't argue that point, but also don't forget that Lechler can temporarily take over kicker detail if needed.
 
Doc, any thoughts on Savage hopping around on that knee last night. He came down on it at an odd angle and seemed hobbled for quite some time.

I keep waiting to hear about him being lost for the rest of the season or something.
 
Hervoyel said:
Doc, any thoughts on Savage hopping around on that knee last night. He came down on it at an odd angle and seemed hobbled for quite some time.

I keep waiting to hear about him being lost for the rest of the season or something.
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I was not able to watch most of the game......and did not record it.
 
Let's not ruin another good player playing them when hurt. I rather have third seed over four but we should get that without Lamar Miller.
 
No reason to have Miller play this week. Let him rest another week to have him for playoffs.

He'll still likely not be fully healthy but he'll be a whole lot better than he would be this week in a meaningless game.
 
TheRealJoker said:
No reason to have Miller play this week. Let him rest another week to have him for playoffs.

He'll still likely not be fully healthy but he'll be a whole lot better than he would be this week in a meaningless game.
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I would be rotating as many players into the game as I could to keep them all as fresh as possible while getting them game time to keep them sharp.
 
Mr.Scarface said:
You can't keep them fresh...if they are hurt. lol.
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Yeah fresh was a bad choice of word - sharp was a better one.
Iow, game ready, but not worn out is what I meant.
Obviously, those stars that could use a game off to heal should be rested.
I would still like to see them win this game - to be in a "winning" mode going into the next one.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Any word on injuries? Particularly Bouye after his groin issue.
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JJo, Cushing, Clowney and even Miller are said to be ready to play in the playoffs.

Clark injured his ankle and left the game, but says he will play on Saturday.

FWIW, Bouye says his groin pull is "minor" and he will be back Saturday.

Savage will be dependent on his ability to pass through the Protocol.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
JJo, Cushing, Clowney and even Miller are said to be ready to play in the playoffs.

Clark injured his ankle and left the game, but says he will play on Saturday.

FWIW, Bouye says his groin pull is "minor" and he will be back Saturday.

Savage will be dependent on his ability to pass through the Protocol.
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Always hear about bad O lines getting their QB killed. Guess this Texan bunch reaches a new low. QB getting a concussion on a QB sneak. :(

:coffee:
 
People are still debating whether to start Savage vs Osweiler against the Raiders. However, the decision has probably already been sealed. With this next game played in a short week, indeed it is possible for Savage to pass the Protocol by game time. However, I don't see any reasonable way that, on his way through the Protocol he will be able to practice enough with the team to be prepared to step in at the last minute and run the team on Saturday. A team's established seasoned vet could possibly do it, but not a QB with only 2 starts under his belt.
 
Wide receiver is not the same as QB, but Green Bays WR Davante Adams went into concussion protocol after the Cowboys game (a Sunday) and played in the immediate Thursday night game against the Bears.
 
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