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Injury Thread

CloakNNNdagger

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Fuller and Roby have been ruled out and did not travel to Baltimore with the team.
I feel comfortable with these decisions.........from yesterday's post:

FULLER, GIPSON AND ROBY ARE ALL QUESTIONABLE................I WOULD NOT PLAY FULLER..............MY IMPRESSIONS FROM WEDNESDAY'S INJURY REPORT REMAIN UNCHANGED ON GIPSON AND ROBY...............GIPSON MORE LIKELY TO PLAY THAN ROBY.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Doc ... did you see the injury to Tua Tagovailoa ? I have a bad feeling about his condition .
I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much (>6 hours) or a fracture at the neck (where the only blood supply to the ball comes through) is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Finally, nerve damage is always a possibility (sciatic nerve). Depending on what is found on x-ray and CT scan, his prognosis will be better understood. If surgery is indicated, return to play would not be before 9-12 months. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much or a displaced fracture at the neck is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Depending on what is found on x-ray and MRI, his prognosis will be better understood. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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I don't know if it means anything but he left in a helicopter .
 

DocBar

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I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much or a fracture at the neck (where the only blood supply to the ball comes through) is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Finally, nerve damage is always a possibility (sciatic nerve). Depending on what is found on x-ray and MRI, his prognosis will be better understood. If surgery is indicated, return to play would not be before 9-12 months. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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not sure that posters know what you mean by "open" surgery. I waited nearly 20 years for artheroscopic surgery for femoralacetabular impingement surgery via closed..
 

steelbtexan

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I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much or a fracture at the neck (where the only blood supply to the ball comes through) is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Finally, nerve damage is always a possibility (sciatic nerve). Depending on what is found on x-ray and MRI, his prognosis will be better understood. If surgery is indicated, return to play would not be before 9-12 months. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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Not that I fully understand this, but I'm sad for Tua. This possibly has cost him millions. When he gets drafted next yr (He should come out.) he probably should sit out his rookie season? Am I correct?
 
Avascular necrosis - I remember reading that diagnosis on Bo Jackson after his hip injury getting tackled while sprinting down the sidelines, resulting in a hip replacement...which ended is NFL career and severely limited is MLB career. I certainly hope and pray that isn't the future for Tua...
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Avascular necrosis - I remember reading that diagnosis on Bo Jackson after his hip injury getting tackled while sprinting down the sidelines, resulting in a hip replacement...which ended is NFL career and severely limited is MLB career. I certainly hope and pray that isn't the future for Tua...
Jackson had a displaced fracture at the neck of the femur...............that would have destroyed any blood supply to the ball (head of the femur).................pics in my previous post for orientation of blood supply.

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Although a significantly lesser chance with the information I have so far re. Tua, it is still possible without such a fracture and may be delayed and not develop until a little later down the line.
 

Seegara

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Regarding Watson's hurt ankle: What was the chance of a compensatory injury from leaving him in so long after there was no hope to win?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Regarding Watson's hurt ankle: What was the chance of a compensatory injury from leaving him in so long after there was no hope to win?
I can't quantitate the risk. I can only say that after any fresh lower extremity injury, your risk is definitely there...............especially since by rewind slo mo, the mechanism was for a high ankle sprain.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Aaron Wilson is reporting that Justin Reid was forced out of the game due to a concussion. No mention of a shoulder (or even a less probable pec injury).............I find this report very questionable...........unless a concussion was suffered in addition to the other injury.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Mike Adams was a foreshadowing of the catastrophe that was the Texans against the Ravens. He was ruled out just minutes prior to the beginning of the game yesterday. Why? He sustained a concussion. How? During pregame warm ups, he somehow had a serious collision with a Ravens player..............out for the count..........he won't be clearing the Concussion Protocol by Thursday.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Doc, I assume the same for Reid if that was a concussion? Lonnie and Reid both out by your intuition??
As far as the concussion alone, I see no way either plays Thursday............that's just too soon to expect them to be cleared per Protocol to practice AND be cleared to play........and Johnson has much longer term implications.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Adams, Johnson and Reid as I've posted previously will not play Thursday................and specifically note that as I believed watching the game, as opposed to what had been reported, Reid redislocated his shoulder and is back on the Injury Report as "concussion" AND "shoulder".............and Johnson as opposed to a reported foot injury suffered what immediately appeared to me as a severe high ankle sprain, possibly a high ankle fracture sprain.

Fuller is on the borderline, but has yet to have a full practice.............would not be surprised if the Texans have no contact practices this week..........making him and Roby still QUESTIONABLE for Thursday.

Last Injury Report, I said that if Gipson didn't have a setback with his back, he would play. He did have one and now the "wrist" has been dropped and the "back" issue is still in play. Same as last week, if he doesn't have a setback with his back, he will play this Thursday. I would still not be surprised by a QUESTIONABLE status going into the game.

I am sure the other LIMITED Participants are taking a lighter load because of the short week and will be out there Thursday.
 
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Adams, Johnson and Reid as I've posted previously will not play Thursday................and specifically note that as I believed watching the game, as opposed to what had been reported, Reid redislocated his shoulder and is back on the Injury Report as "concussion" AND "shoulder".............and Johnson as opposed to a reported foot injury suffered what immediately appeared to me as a severe high ankle sprain, possibly a high ankle fracture sprain.

Fuller is on the borderline, but has yet to have a full practice.............would not be surprised if the Texans have no contact practices this week..........making him and Roby still QUESTIONABLE for Thursday.

Last Injury Report, I said that if Gipson didn't have a setback with his back, he would play. He did have one and now the "wrist" has been dropped and the "back" issue is still in play. Same as last week, if he doesn't have a setback with his back, he will play this Thursday. I would still not be surprised by a QUESTIONABLE status going into the game.

I am sure the other LIMITED Participants are taking a lighter load because of the short week and will be out there Thursday.
Doc ... I feel the Texans will be in panic mode and play guys who aren't ready .
 

CloakNNNdagger

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THE COLTS MONDAY INJURY REPORT

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*KEEP IN MIND THE TODAY WAS DEFINITELY A "WALK-THROUGH" MAKE PRETEND PRACTICE FOR THE COLTS

TE COX [THUMB]...........NEW.............SUSTAINED AN ULNAR COLLATERAL LIGAMENT TEAR...........WILL NOT PLAY THURSDAY

OT CASTONZO [TOE]..........NEW..............TURF TOE SUSTAINED THIS PAST SUNDAY............WILL LIKELY TRY TO PLAY THROUGH IT WITH A METAL SOLE PLATE SINCE THE COLTS HAVE NO DECENT LT BACKUP............BUT IT CAN CAN'T HELP BUT COMPROMISE HIM AS IT'S DIFFICULT FOR A TOE TO PUSH OFF CARRYING CLOSE TO 310 LBS

CB DESIR [HAMSTRING]...........SUSTAINED AGAINST THE TEXANS IN WEEK 7, AND HAS NOT PLAYED SINCE.............HE TRIED TO PRACTICE LIMITED WEDNESDAY WEEK 10, AND HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO PRACTICE AT ALL AGAIN UNTIL TODAY (REMEMBER......LIMITED ON A WALK-THROUGH)..............HE WON'T PLAY THURSDAY WR CAMPBELL [HAND]..............RIGHT MID DIGIT METACARPAL FRACTURE SUSTAINED WEEK 9.............NO WAY A WR RECEIVER PLAYS WITH A CLUB ON THURSDAY.............HE SEEMS TO BE AN INJURY MACHINE..............A HAMSTRING IN PRESEASON.............A "SPORTS HERNIA" WHEN WE LAST FACED THE COLTS IN WEEK 7


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WR HILTON [CALF]...........SUSTAINED A GRADE II CALF TEAR AT OCTOBER 30 WEDNESDAY PRACTICE............STILL TOO SOON TO PLAY THURSDAY...........ONLY WAY HE DOES IS OUT OF DESPERATION AGAINST THEIR DIVISION RIVAL FOR THE DIVISION LEAD..............I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LONGEST THAT THE COLTS HAVE BEEN WITHOUT HIS SERVICES


S WILLIS [CONCUSSION]............GOT BOINKED IN WEEK 11............HAS NOT AND WILL NOT PASS THE CONCUSSION PROTOCOL BY THURSDAY

S ODUM [SHOULDER].............NEW............SUSTAINED A SUBLUXATION...........I'M HEARING IT MAY HAVE INCLUDED A PARTIAL PROXIMAL BICEPS TENDON TEAR.................MAY TRY TO PLAY WITH A BRACE/HARNESS, BUT WILL BE COMPROMISED IF HE DOES

RB MACK [HAND].........NEW............A RIGHT METACARPAL FRACTURE SIMILAR TO CAMPBELL'S............WON'T PLAY THURSDAY

CB YAH-SIN [ANKLE]........NEW.............SUSTAINED A HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN...........DOUBT HE PLAYS.........IF HE DOES, HE IS LIKELY TO FURTHER INJURY OR COMPENSATORY INJURY

CB TAYLOR [ANKLE]..........NEW............SIMILAR FATE AS YAH-SIN, SUSTAINED A HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN WEEK 11............DOUBT HE PLAYS.........IF HE DOES, HE IS LIKELY TO FURTHER INJURY OR COMPENSATORY INJURY

RB WILKINS [ANKLE]..............LOW ANKLE SPRAIN SUSTAINED WEEK 9...........PLAYED LIMITEDLY WEEK 10.........AGGRAVATED IT AND COULDN'T PLAY WEEK 11............HAD ANKLE ISSUES THE BEGINNING OF LAST SEASON............HAS WORN ANKLE BRACES SINCE HIGH SCHOOL...........IF HE PLAYS THURSDAY, LIKELY TO AGGRAVATE ONCE AGAIN

S GEATHERS [NIR/REST]............HE'S BEEN GETTING REST DAYS EVERY WEEK SINCE WEEK 7 WHEN WHEN LAST PLAYED THE COLT............HE WAS CONCUSSED WEEK 4, DID NOT PLAY WEEK 5, WAS STILL HAVING SYMPTOMS THROUGH THE WEEK 6 BYE AND RETURNED TO PRACTICE WEEK 7 AFTER WHICH HE CLEARED THE PROTOCOL TO PLAY IN WEEK 7 WHEN WE PLAYED THE COLTS.............HE WILL PLAY THRUSDAY
 
On the other side of the ball Brissett was supposed to be out but he played against Jax. He will take the field Thursday.
They said Brissett would play versus Jacksonville if he practiced weds and he practiced full each day. Didn't notice any issues with Brissett as he still took off running and used his mobility to extend plays.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Funchess suffered his collar bone fracture week 1 and underwent surgery quickly thereafter. For a surgical repair like this, the average return to play to contact sports would be a little over 8 weeks as demonstrated in several studies. We know that this was not a just a nondisplaced fracture, or it would have been treated without surgery. We are not told though if the fracture was a simple displaced fracture or a splintered (commminuted) fracture. Either way, as of last week, his x-rays showed that his fracture was "not healed." Not a good sign in that this could mean a non-union of the fractured segment. If this is the case, I don't know why they would have tried to bring him back now. If it wasn't healed last week, it would make it doubtful that it would have healed now............AND he would have had enough time to get into practice shape..............especially since that fracture will not really be tested (WRs get hit) during a "walk-through" week. With the aforementioned logic, i would not expect him to play Thursday.

I hope this answers your question........although I can only give you a tentative prediction.
 


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