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Injury Thread

CloakNNNdagger

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Fuller and Roby have been ruled out and did not travel to Baltimore with the team.
I feel comfortable with these decisions.........from yesterday's post:

FULLER, GIPSON AND ROBY ARE ALL QUESTIONABLE................I WOULD NOT PLAY FULLER..............MY IMPRESSIONS FROM WEDNESDAY'S INJURY REPORT REMAIN UNCHANGED ON GIPSON AND ROBY...............GIPSON MORE LIKELY TO PLAY THAN ROBY.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Doc ... did you see the injury to Tua Tagovailoa ? I have a bad feeling about his condition .
I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much (>6 hours) or a fracture at the neck (where the only blood supply to the ball comes through) is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Finally, nerve damage is always a possibility (sciatic nerve). Depending on what is found on x-ray and CT scan, his prognosis will be better understood. If surgery is indicated, return to play would not be before 9-12 months. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much or a displaced fracture at the neck is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Depending on what is found on x-ray and MRI, his prognosis will be better understood. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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I don't know if it means anything but he left in a helicopter .
 

DocBar

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I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much or a fracture at the neck (where the only blood supply to the ball comes through) is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Finally, nerve damage is always a possibility (sciatic nerve). Depending on what is found on x-ray and MRI, his prognosis will be better understood. If surgery is indicated, return to play would not be before 9-12 months. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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not sure that posters know what you mean by "open" surgery. I waited nearly 20 years for artheroscopic surgery for femoralacetabular impingement surgery via closed..
 

steelbtexan

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I did..........a bad injury at very least. Even if all he had was a simple posterior hip dislocation, that would involve the tear of 2 major ligament. If they are able to relocate the hip by manipulation and there is no other damage than the ligaments, healing will take no less than 3-4 months to return to any practice........and he will likely be left with some looseness/instability of the joint, with risk of redislocation and injury to other structures. Many times with there is a posterior dislocation, the labrum (the cartilaginous rim of the socket [acetabulum] of the hip joint is damaged), requiring surgery. If there is a fracture of the boney rim or fracture of the neck of the ball (head of the femur) of the joint, manual relocation should not be performed and there should be open surgery to correct the damage.......otherwise even more damage to the joint structures are probably. The ball of the joint has poor blood supply and if relocation is delayed too much or a fracture at the neck (where the only blood supply to the ball comes through) is present, the ball can gangrene (avascular necrosis). If this occurs, hip replacement is the next step. Finally, nerve damage is always a possibility (sciatic nerve). Depending on what is found on x-ray and MRI, his prognosis will be better understood. If surgery is indicated, return to play would not be before 9-12 months. But his injury could definitely be career threatening/ending.

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Not that I fully understand this, but I'm sad for Tua. This possibly has cost him millions. When he gets drafted next yr (He should come out.) he probably should sit out his rookie season? Am I correct?
 
Avascular necrosis - I remember reading that diagnosis on Bo Jackson after his hip injury getting tackled while sprinting down the sidelines, resulting in a hip replacement...which ended is NFL career and severely limited is MLB career. I certainly hope and pray that isn't the future for Tua...
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Avascular necrosis - I remember reading that diagnosis on Bo Jackson after his hip injury getting tackled while sprinting down the sidelines, resulting in a hip replacement...which ended is NFL career and severely limited is MLB career. I certainly hope and pray that isn't the future for Tua...
Jackson had a displaced fracture at the neck of the femur...............that would have destroyed any blood supply to the ball (head of the femur).................pics in my previous post for orientation of blood supply.

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Although a significantly lesser chance with the information I have so far re. Tua, it is still possible without such a fracture and may be delayed and not develop until a little later down the line.
 

Seegara

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Regarding Watson's hurt ankle: What was the chance of a compensatory injury from leaving him in so long after there was no hope to win?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Regarding Watson's hurt ankle: What was the chance of a compensatory injury from leaving him in so long after there was no hope to win?
I can't quantitate the risk. I can only say that after any fresh lower extremity injury, your risk is definitely there...............especially since by rewind slo mo, the mechanism was for a high ankle sprain.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Aaron Wilson is reporting that Justin Reid was forced out of the game due to a concussion. No mention of a shoulder (or even a less probable pec injury).............I find this report very questionable...........unless a concussion was suffered in addition to the other injury.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Mike Adams was a foreshadowing of the catastrophe that was the Texans against the Ravens. He was ruled out just minutes prior to the beginning of the game yesterday. Why? He sustained a concussion. How? During pregame warm ups, he somehow had a serious collision with a Ravens player..............out for the count..........he won't be clearing the Concussion Protocol by Thursday.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Doc, I assume the same for Reid if that was a concussion? Lonnie and Reid both out by your intuition??
As far as the concussion alone, I see no way either plays Thursday............that's just too soon to expect them to be cleared per Protocol to practice AND be cleared to play........and Johnson has much longer term implications.
 
Marlon Mack has suffered a hand fracture today...........there is no way he plays Thursday.
Mack is out, willis is out. Wilkins and hilton may play. Funchess looks to be held out another week for titans game. Very small chance he plays. Rock may not play with ankle injury, desir may not play.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Adams, Johnson and Reid as I've posted previously will not play Thursday................and specifically note that as I believed watching the game, as opposed to what had been reported, Reid redislocated his shoulder and is back on the Injury Report as "concussion" AND "shoulder".............and Johnson as opposed to a reported foot injury suffered what immediately appeared to me as a severe high ankle sprain, possibly a high ankle fracture sprain.

Fuller is on the borderline, but has yet to have a full practice.............would not be surprised if the Texans have no contact practices this week..........making him and Roby still QUESTIONABLE for Thursday.

Last Injury Report, I said that if Gipson didn't have a setback with his back, he would play. He did have one and now the "wrist" has been dropped and the "back" issue is still in play. Same as last week, if he doesn't have a setback with his back, he will play this Thursday. I would still not be surprised by a QUESTIONABLE status going into the game.

I am sure the other LIMITED Participants are taking a lighter load because of the short week and will be out there Thursday.

Watson's ankle held together through the walk-through.
 
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Adams, Johnson and Reid as I've posted previously will not play Thursday................and specifically note that as I believed watching the game, as opposed to what had been reported, Reid redislocated his shoulder and is back on the Injury Report as "concussion" AND "shoulder".............and Johnson as opposed to a reported foot injury suffered what immediately appeared to me as a severe high ankle sprain, possibly a high ankle fracture sprain.

Fuller is on the borderline, but has yet to have a full practice.............would not be surprised if the Texans have no contact practices this week..........making him and Roby still QUESTIONABLE for Thursday.

Last Injury Report, I said that if Gipson didn't have a setback with his back, he would play. He did have one and now the "wrist" has been dropped and the "back" issue is still in play. Same as last week, if he doesn't have a setback with his back, he will play this Thursday. I would still not be surprised by a QUESTIONABLE status going into the game.

I am sure the other LIMITED Participants are taking a lighter load because of the short week and will be out there Thursday.
Doc ... I feel the Texans will be in panic mode and play guys who aren't ready .
 

Seegara

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On the other side of the ball Brissett was supposed to be out but he played against Jax. He will take the field Thursday.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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THE COLTS MONDAY INJURY REPORT

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*KEEP IN MIND THE TODAY WAS DEFINITELY A "WALK-THROUGH" MAKE PRETEND PRACTICE FOR THE COLTS

TE COX [THUMB]...........NEW.............SUSTAINED AN ULNAR COLLATERAL LIGAMENT TEAR...........WILL NOT PLAY THURSDAY

OT CASTONZO [TOE]..........NEW..............TURF TOE SUSTAINED THIS PAST SUNDAY............WILL LIKELY TRY TO PLAY THROUGH IT WITH A METAL SOLE PLATE SINCE THE COLTS HAVE NO DECENT LT BACKUP............BUT IT CAN CAN'T HELP BUT COMPROMISE HIM AS IT'S DIFFICULT FOR A TOE TO PUSH OFF CARRYING CLOSE TO 310 LBS

CB DESIR [HAMSTRING]...........SUSTAINED AGAINST THE TEXANS IN WEEK 7, AND HAS NOT PLAYED SINCE.............HE TRIED TO PRACTICE LIMITED WEDNESDAY WEEK 10, AND HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO PRACTICE AT ALL AGAIN UNTIL TODAY (REMEMBER......LIMITED ON A WALK-THROUGH)..............HE WON'T PLAY THURSDAY

WR CAMPBELL [HAND]..............RIGHT MID DIGIT METACARPAL FRACTURE SUSTAINED WEEK 9.............NO WAY A WR RECEIVER PLAYS WITH A CLUB ON THURSDAY.............HE SEEMS TO BE AN INJURY MACHINE..............A HAMSTRING IN PRESEASON.............A "SPORTS HERNIA" WHEN WE LAST FACED THE COLTS IN WEEK 7


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WR HILTON [CALF]...........SUSTAINED A GRADE II CALF TEAR AT OCTOBER 30 WEDNESDAY PRACTICE............STILL TOO SOON TO PLAY THURSDAY...........ONLY WAY HE DOES IS OUT OF DESPERATION AGAINST THEIR DIVISION RIVAL FOR THE DIVISION LEAD..............I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LONGEST THAT THE COLTS HAVE BEEN WITHOUT HIS SERVICES

S WILLIS [CONCUSSION]............GOT BOINKED IN WEEK 11............HAS NOT AND WILL NOT PASS THE CONCUSSION PROTOCOL BY THURSDAY

S ODUM [SHOULDER].............NEW............SUSTAINED A SUBLUXATION...........I'M HEARING IT MAY HAVE INCLUDED A PARTIAL PROXIMAL BICEPS TENDON TEAR.................MAY TRY TO PLAY WITH A BRACE/HARNESS, BUT WILL BE COMPROMISED IF HE DOES

RB MACK [HAND].........NEW............A RIGHT METACARPAL FRACTURE SIMILAR TO CAMPBELL'S............WON'T PLAY THURSDAY

CB YAH-SIN [ANKLE]........NEW.............SUSTAINED A HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN...........DOUBT HE PLAYS.........IF HE DOES, HE IS LIKELY TO FURTHER INJURY OR COMPENSATORY INJURY

CB TAYLOR [ANKLE]..........NEW............SIMILAR FATE AS YAH-SIN, SUSTAINED A HIGH ANKLE SPRAIN WEEK 11............DOUBT HE PLAYS.........IF HE DOES, HE IS LIKELY TO FURTHER INJURY OR COMPENSATORY INJURY

RB WILKINS [ANKLE]..............LOW ANKLE SPRAIN SUSTAINED WEEK 9...........PLAYED LIMITEDLY WEEK 10.........AGGRAVATED IT AND COULDN'T PLAY WEEK 11............HAD ANKLE ISSUES THE BEGINNING OF LAST SEASON............HAS WORN ANKLE BRACES SINCE HIGH SCHOOL...........IF HE PLAYS THURSDAY, LIKELY TO AGGRAVATE ONCE AGAIN

S GEATHERS [NIR/REST]............HE'S BEEN GETTING REST DAYS EVERY WEEK SINCE WEEK 7 WHEN WHEN LAST PLAYED THE COLT............HE WAS CONCUSSED WEEK 4, DID NOT PLAY WEEK 5, WAS STILL HAVING SYMPTOMS THROUGH THE WEEK 6 BYE AND RETURNED TO PRACTICE WEEK 7 AFTER WHICH HE CLEARED THE PROTOCOL TO PLAY IN WEEK 7 WHEN WE PLAYED THE COLTS.............HE WILL PLAY THRUSDAY
 
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On the other side of the ball Brissett was supposed to be out but he played against Jax. He will take the field Thursday.
They said Brissett would play versus Jacksonville if he practiced weds and he practiced full each day. Didn't notice any issues with Brissett as he still took off running and used his mobility to extend plays.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Funchess suffered his collar bone fracture week 1 and underwent surgery quickly thereafter. For a surgical repair like this, the average return to play to contact sports would be a little over 8 weeks as demonstrated in several studies. We know that this was not a just a nondisplaced fracture, or it would have been treated without surgery. We are not told though if the fracture was a simple displaced fracture or a splintered (commminuted) fracture. Either way, as of last week, his x-rays showed that his fracture was "not healed." Not a good sign in that this could mean a non-union of the fractured segment. If this is the case, I don't know why they would have tried to bring him back now. If it wasn't healed last week, it would make it doubtful that it would have healed now............AND he would have had enough time to get into practice shape..............especially since that fracture will not really be tested (WRs get hit) during a "walk-through" week. With the aforementioned logic, i would not expect him to play Thursday.

I hope this answers your question........although I can only give you a tentative prediction.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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COLTS TUESDAY INJURY REPORT

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THE UPDGRADES FOR COX, CASTONZO, GATHERS, ODUM, WILKINS, CAMPBELL AND DESIR DON'T IMPRESS ME, IN THAT THIS WEEK IS A WALK-THROUGH WEEK.............MY EVALUATIONS DO NOT CHANGE
 

CloakNNNdagger

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ANOTHER CONFIRMED WALK-THROUGH DAY

NO CHANGE IN PARTICIPATION FROM YESTERDAY............NO CHANGE IN MY IMPRESSIONS FOR THURSDAY.

AS I POSTED ABOVE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WATSON'S ANKLE WILL HAVE BEEN REALISTICALLY TESTED BEFORE THE GAME. WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF HE HAD DIFFICULTIES PLANTING/PUSHING OFF HIS BACK FOOT WHEN PASSING.
 
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Funchess suffered his collar bone fracture week 1 and underwent surgery quickly thereafter. For a surgical repair like this, the average return to play to contact sports would be a little over 8 weeks as demonstrated in several studies. We know that this was not a just a nondisplaced fracture, or it would have been treated without surgery. We are not told though if the fracture was a simple displaced fracture or a splintered (commminuted) fracture. Either way, as of last week, his x-rays showed that his fracture was "not healed." Not a good sign in that this could mean a non-union of the fractured segment. If this is the case, I don't know why they would have tried to bring him back now. If it wasn't healed last week, it would make it doubtful that it would have healed now............AND he would have had enough time to get into practice shape..............especially since that fracture will not really be tested (WRs get hit) during a "walk-through" week. With the aforementioned logic, i would not expect him to play Thursday.

I hope this answers your question........although I can only give you a tentative prediction.
Makes sense to me
 

CloakNNNdagger

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No official Colts Injury Status Report yet, but here is what I have found.

HILTON.............FULL PRACTICE............QUESTIONABLE

EBRON..............FULL PRACTICE............QUESTIONABLE

MY IMPRESSIONS ON THESE 2 PLAYERS REMAIN THE SAME. HILTON HAS BEEN REPORTED AS "EXPECTED TO PLAY," BUT WHEN YOU TRACE DOWN WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, IT'S FROM A STATEMENT THAT CRENELL MADE.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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The official Injury Status Report is not out yet, but as predicted:

Reid and Lonnie Johnson have been ruled OUT

Roby and Will Fuller are QUESTIONABLE
 

CloakNNNdagger

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COLTS INJURY STATUS REPORT

NamePositionInjuryMon.Tue.Wed.Game
Mo Alie-CoxTEThumbDNPLPFPQuest.
Anthony CastonzoOLToeDNPFPDNP
Eric EbronTEAnkleDNPDNPFPQuest.
Clayton GeathersSRestDNPFPDNP
T.Y. HiltonWRCalfDNPDNPFPQuest.
Marlon MackRBHandDNPDNPDNPOUT
George OdumSShoulderDNPFPFP
Shakial TaylorCBAnkleDNPDNPDNPOUT
Jordan WilkinsRBAnkleDNPLPFP
Khari WillisSConcussionDNPDNPDNPOUT
Rock Ya-SinCBAnkleDNPDNPLPQuest.
Parris CampbellWRHandLPLPLPOUT
Pierre DesirCBHamstringLPLPFP
PRETTY MUCH THE SAME IMPRESSIONS AS WEDNESDAY. IF THE QUESTIONABLES DO PLAY, THEY ARE LIKELY TO BE COMPROMISED OR EXTEND THEIR INJURIES..........THE COLTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A MORE TROUBLESOME INJURY REPORT THE FOLLOWING WEEK. BUT THIS IS FOR THE DIVISIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP RACE, THE QUESTIONABLES WILL BE PUSHED TO BE OUT THERE.

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Doc - quick question going back to Tua. Based on the limited information out so far on his injury, (but confirmation of the posterior wall fracture), any thoughts on recovery time and/or recovery of how much function he will regain?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Doc - quick question going back to Tua. Based on the limited information out so far on his injury, (but confirmation of the posterior wall fracture), any thoughts on recovery time and/or recovery of how much function he will regain?
Feel free to look back at my previous post on Tua for "orientation." Since this injury is not that common, there is a paucity of studies to give very specific and accurate information. But with his hip dislocation which was accompanied by a posterior wall fracture of the acetabulum, his prognosis becomes unpredictable in many ways. First, even without a femoral neck fracture, the mere dislocation of the hip does always damage the blood supply to the femoral head (ball) .......and the blood supply may be partially and/or progressively disrupted in delayed fashion. Avascular necrosis of the head can often times occur over a 3-6 month period........and I have seen this occur as late as 1-2 year post injury. Arthritis at one point in the future is a given, putting into question longevity. I would predict that if all goes well and there are absolutely no complications, as I previously posted, the recovery will take from 9-12 month.............and full recovery would be closer to 12 months. One study showed that ~80 of those with this injury that returned to play "returned to a variable level of sports activity." Specifically, the under 25 year group had "significant reduced function" as measured by a quality of life metric.

Surgery has been deemed "successful." But, as I have stated in many other posts, you can have the most perfect surgical results................and outcomes the furthest thing from perfect.

With Tua, he has many potential unpredictable obstacles in front of him regarding his NFL career. When will he come back? How "intact" will he come back? Will he come back? I have no doubt that teams will have to think long and hard before drafting him...........and I have little doubt that his Draft stock/position will have been severely affected.

I hope this answers your questions.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Just an observation............Fuller avoided Full participation on every Wednesday contact practice through week 5 as a post ACL precaution. He had his first Full participation Wednesday contact practice week 6...........then in the week 7 game, he sustained his grade II hamstring.............this week throughout, Limited participation in a walk-through week, he again returns to the field.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Yesterday during the game real time, I posted that the visual mechanism of Cole's injury appeared to be consistent with a non-contact ACL. However, the team later reported that he had sustained a calf injury.

Texans' Dylan Cole injures calf
By Aaron Wilson, Houston Chronicle

Updated 12:21 am CST, Friday, November 22, 2019

However, "according to League officials not authorized to speak," it has been revealed that Cole has indeed ruptured his ACL, not injured his calf.

 

welsh texan

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Yesterday during the game real time, I posted that the visual mechanism of Cole's injury appeared to be consistent with a non-contact ACL. However, the team later reported that he had sustained a calf injury.




However, "according to League officials not authorized to speak," it has been revealed that Cole has indeed ruptured his ACL, not injured his calf.
Is that 3 years running he’s suffered a major injury to end on IR?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Before the game, I said I felt that it was too soon at 3 weeks post grade II calf tear for Hilton to come back......and if he did, it would be out of desperation, and would expect him to be compromised. Well, the piece below falls right in line.......he was never expected to be effective as the speedy WR demon that he normally is. He was mostly put out there as a decoy.

When a player has an injured calf muscle, he cannot stop or turn quickly........and certainly not stop AND turn quickly in route-running..........and even trying to do these maneuvers creates severe pain. It was quite evident that this was in play in both of the instances where he uncharacteristically dropped the passes (both on critical 3rd downs). It was obvious that he went out of this game worse than he came into it.

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Thursday marked the worst game Hilton has had in Houston, where he entered averaging 133.3 receiving yards per game in his rival's building. His 18 yards received were the second-fewest in a game versus the Texans (14 yards at home in Week 17, 2017).

Reich noted that given Hilton's explosive tendencies against the Texans, the plan was for the speedster to mostly perform a decoy role.


"I give him credit for wanting to be on the field," Reich said. "We knew even if we could get him on the field for 20, 30 plays, some of it was just as a decoy so hopefully [the Texans] would roll the coverage to him or do something like that and give us a chance to run it a little bit better. So that was part of the plan."
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CloakNNNdagger

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Is that 3 years running he’s suffered a major injury to end on IR?
During his rookie season in 2017, Cole missed four games because of a Grade 2 hamstring injury. He was not placed on injured reserve and returned later in the season. In Year 2, Cole dislocated his wrist during the third game of the season and also underwent arthroscopic knee surgery. He was placed on the injured reserve and was able to return later in the season. This ACL rupture marks the 2nd time he has been placed on injured reserve.

It's interesting to note that Cole in week 8 Popped up on the Injury Report for a hamstring and an undisclosed knee injury........then weeks 9-12, he continued to appear in the Injury Reports for a knee only. Keep in mind that the lateral hamstring muscles especially help stabilize the knee in protection of the ACL. The hamstrings are a group of muscles and their tendons at the rear of the upper leg. They include the biceps femoris, semitendinosus, and semimembranosus.

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Coordination of these muscle stabilizes the knee and decreases knee twisting and shearing during activities. This coordinated contraction of all three muscles reduces the risk of tearing the ACL. Injury to these hamstring muscles thus can set up the ACL for injury.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Clowney had a knee injury listed ahead of the team's game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (week 9). He was then listed with foot and knee injuries ahead of the 49ers game (week 10). He suffered a hip injury coming out of the the 49ers game. Despite having the week off for the team's bye week, Clowney has not been able to practice all this week with his injuries, now with the addition of a hip injury. His foot and hip have been deemed compensatory injuries. His knee has been drained several times, and yesterday he sought treatment for his hip and knee from outside the Seahawks medical staff. As of now, he is officially listed as QUESTIONABLE for the Eagles.
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CloakNNNdagger

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As relates to Clowney, some of you may remember that when he underwent bilateral "sports hernia" surgery, I posted information and a study that concluded that a large % of patients with this diagnosis had an underlying condition of the hip called femoroacetabular impingement (FAI) [a hip pathology where the bones of the hip are abnormally shaped]. In these patients, "sports hernia" surgery alone was had a much lesser long-term success rate than FAI surgery alone or in combination with "sports hernia" surgery. Since then, several studies have affirmed an extremely high association of this hip pathology with "sports hernias" specifically in elite athletes..............up to 90%.........and its causative relationship to the hernia conditions..............and the importance of not ignoring this condition. Clowney never had this addressed.

EDIT ADDITION: Note my references to Bennie Joppru and Mario Williams in the above included link.........both of whom after bilateral "sports hernia" surgeries later had severe hip impingement issues that required surgery..............the hip issues forced both to retirement.
 
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CloakNNNdagger

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Tom Brady mysteriosly popped up on yesterday's Injury Report........with a status of QUESTIONABLE. However, reports are that he is expected to play. Although not officially reported, I have found out that he is actually dealing with "elbow tendonitis"..............a problem that he has quietly been dealing with off and on for a very long time...........since 2006 This recurrent problem would have not probably come to light if his personal trainer was not believed to have cure his problem. An adequate period of rest from throwing is necessary to improve the condition. Depending on the chronicity and extent of the condition, rest is usually measured in terms of weeks not days. Brady and his trainer had the benefit of the less "strenuous" non game-driven offseason/OTA period to address his issue. He does not have that luxury now, and his age is not working for him.

You should find this article interesting.:

Men's Health feature on Tom Brady details severe elbow tendinitis that limited Brady in '06

Devon ClementsAug 6, 2019

On Tuesday, Men's Health released a series of articles that featured New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who spoke about fitness, diet, family and football.

One article written by Ben court went into detail about Brady's personal trainer, Alex Guerrero and how Brady first got turned onto Guerrero and his use of traditional Chinese medicine. Brady's explanation not only answered the question but also highlighted an injury back in 2006 that we were not all aware of.

"It was 2006—Brady was already a three-time Super Bowl champion, but his QB rating that season was only 87.9, almost ten points below his career average of 97.7—and he was suffering severe tendinitis because he threw so much and lifted so heavy," Court wrote. "The cycle of throw-ice-repeat reached a crisis point—he had to take days off from practice. 'My teammate Willie McGinest said to me, ‘Dude, if you want to keep playing, you gotta go see Alex.’ "
Brady then mentioned how a decade of various pain seemed to have vanished once Guerrero began to work on him.
“I had forearm muscles that were like rocks and a biceps muscle that was like a rock. I had my biceps pulling this way and my forearm muscle tugging that way, and the tendon was just on fire,” he says, tapping his elbow. Guerrero felt the inflamed tendon, Brady says, and “said that what we’re going to do through pliability—although we didn’t even call it pliability then, because we had to come up with a word for it—is effectively lengthen the forearm muscle and lengthen the biceps and triceps through deep-force work. Alex did it one time, and I was like, ‘What? The last ten years of my life I’ve been in pain, and now, after he’s worked on my forearms, biceps, and triceps, there’s no more pain in my elbow?’ It clicked for me right away.”
This is telling. Aside from his torn ACL in 2008 and a knee injury in 2018, there hasn't been very many known severe injuries for the 42-year-old QB over the course of his career. Elbow tendinitis is a troubling ailment for someone who is throwing a football 30-40 times a game, let alone any practices throughout the week.
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Tom Brady mysteriosly popped up on yesterday's Injury Report........with a status of QUESTIONABLE. However, reports are that he is expected to play. Although not officially reported, I have found out that he is actually dealing with "elbow tendonitis"..............a problem that he has quietly been dealing with off and on for a very long time...........since 2006 This recurrent problem would have not probably come to light if his personal trainer was not believed to have cure his problem. An adequate period of rest from throwing is necessary to improve the condition. Depending on the chronicity and extent of the condition, rest is usually measured in terms of weeks not days. Brady and his trainer had the benefit of the less "strenuous" non game-driven offseason/OTA period to address his issue. He does not have that luxury now, and his age is not working for him.

You should find this article interesting.:

Men's Health feature on Tom Brady details severe elbow tendinitis that limited Brady in '06

Devon ClementsAug 6, 2019

On Tuesday, Men's Health released a series of articles that featured New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who spoke about fitness, diet, family and football.

One article written by Ben court went into detail about Brady's personal trainer, Alex Guerrero and how Brady first got turned onto Guerrero and his use of traditional Chinese medicine. Brady's explanation not only answered the question but also highlighted an injury back in 2006 that we were not all aware of.



Brady then mentioned how a decade of various pain seemed to have vanished once Guerrero began to work on him.


This is telling. Aside from his torn ACL in 2008 and a knee injury in 2018, there hasn't been very many known severe injuries for the 42-year-old QB over the course of his career. Elbow tendinitis is a troubling ailment for someone who is throwing a football 30-40 times a game, let alone any practices throughout the week.
THE REST OF THE STORY
Are you thinking bigger stronger faster = more injuries ?
 


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