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If This Team Doesn't Quit On Kubiak, Bring Him Back!

DexmanC said:
This is a question better asked AFTER the completion of the '09 season. They
still have a shot at finishing 10-6. In case you've forgotten, we've lost
two starters on our interior o-line, AND the best tightend in the AFC.

No running game, no making teams pay for doubling Dre. Yet they are about
to go 6-6 on Sunday. They were 4-7 at this time last year, and are 5-6
now. So, to say improvement isn't translating to the field when they have
a shot to go 10-6 is inaccurate.
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A 1 game improvement from the previous year? Going by that logic we might have a shot at the playoffs in a couple years.

I'm sure we will go on a run similar to last season now that our playoff hope is basically over. If you're happy with winning games when they don't mean a darn, so be it. Talk to me when they win the big games that matter. Like the 2 Colts games and especially the titans game.
 
Also, your entire argument contradicts itself: Yes, we have the youngest team in the NFL. But, guess what? It's going to take an EXPERIENCED coach to motivate them to their full potential.

It's going to take an experienced, WINNING coach to get these young guys going.
 
houstonspartan said:
Also, your entire argument contradicts itself: Yes, we have the youngest team in the NFL. But, guess what? It's going to take an EXPERIENCED coach to motivate them to their full potential.

It's going to take an experienced, WINNING coach to get these young guys going.
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... and our young coach is GAINING experience, and WILL start winning.
You guys keep screaming for Cowher, when the Steelers gave him a
5-year extension the year he went 6-10!!! Kubes is getting better, and
his best coaching years are ahead of him. I'd rather US get the benefit of
that, than hire a mercenary coach who only cares about his HUGE payday!!
 
DexmanC said:
... and our young coach is GAINING experience, and WILL start winning.
You guys keep screaming for Cowher, when the Steelers gave him a
5-year extension the year he went 6-10!!! Kubes is getting better, and
his best coaching years are ahead of him. I'd rather US get the benefit of
that, than hire a mercenary coach who only cares about his HUGE payday!!
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I'm not clamoring for Cowher necessarily. I just think we should take a hard look at our head coach.

If Kubiak leaves and is successful elsewhere, good for him. Belecheck and Dungy were successful after they were fired.

You want to settle for average because you're afraid of the unknown. It's quite possible that another coach could take what Kubiak built and take it even further. But you're too afraid to even consider it.

You're a c student.
That's cool.
I'm not.
 
This back and fourth is quite absured. WINNING is all that matters and they aren't doing so. That is why Gary the HC to WIN not to just place his team on the verge of WINNIG but to just do it and quite frankly he hasn't done anything but FAIL at it. THAT'S ALL. I'm going to be honest here, I think this team is in danger of going 5-11 or 6-10. Most of the games remaining are agains teams who have something to play the Texans lose on Sunday and do NOT and piss off AJ even more by the way. No Steve for more than one game and might get UGLY as if they aren't already. They are now losing key players with five games left. Can you say MESS all around. I can. That is all this team is right now. The fact is before the began all of were saying playoffs or bust and a loss on Sunday and that would be true I am sick of it. We'll all be sitting here next offseason saying the samething once again. Every year it isn't anything but the same old crapola. This like say if the Texans lose the rest of their games by one point Gary should get to stay give me a break they still wouldn't be doing what they get PAID to do and that's WIN FOOTBALL GAMES bottom line. All this crap does not matter one bit but some has to give SOONER or later.
 
HOU-TEX said:
You keep speaking of all this talent that Kubiak has brought in, and if that is the case, it's more of a reflection of poor coaching. If Kubiak is bringing in all this talent each year, why is it not translating to the field?
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because we have the youngest team in the nfl and young teams in any sport, no matter how talented, are consistantly inconsistant

for the record, i think firing kubiak at this stage would be a huge mistake. for the past 3.5 years he's been building something really good that has constantly shown improvements on the field if not on the w-l column for above reason and imo hes not done yet. look at last sunday- crushing loss but look at how the newest wave affected the game- cushing with the int and overall beast, barwin getting to manning, mccain and quin made some nice plays. they're just going to keep improving and based on kubiak's history, more talented players will come in and as they start maturing we'll have a pretty special team in the next few years that should be able to compete year in and year out because of kubiak's dedication to building the team the right way
 
All that is keeping them from becoming a winning football team is a HC who controls the game clock better and cut down on silly mistakes to close out games.
 
Maddict5 said:
because we have the youngest team in the nfl and young teams in any sport, no matter how talented, are consistantly inconsistant

for the record, i think firing kubiak at this stage would be a huge mistake. for the past 3.5 years he's been building something really good that has constantly shown improvements on the field if not on the w-l column for above reason and imo hes not done yet. look at last sunday- crushing loss but look at how the newest wave affected the game- cushing with the int and overall beast, barwin getting to manning, mccain and quin made some nice plays. they're just going to keep improving and based on kubiak's history, more talented players will come in and as they start maturing we'll have a pretty special team in the next few years that should be able to compete year in and year out because of kubiak's dedication to building the team the right way
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This simply where I stand. New Orleans endured over 30 years of SUCKITUDE,
before they've FINALLY achieved some model of recent success. You young
pups don't KNOW SUCKITUDE to the point of qualify as "LONG SUFFERING"

Pre Kubiak, this team played NOTHING like an NFL squad. It was the most
attrocious thing on television, to the point of EMBARRASSMENT.
This team has consistently improved, but the way they've been built
has forced them to go through trial-by-fire. Should we have signed a
"Brian Dawkins" in the offseason? Maybe. But we got a 4-year talented
player by the name of Bernard Pollard instead. I'm more interested in
how they finish their next 5 games.

Hey, the AFC South is the toughest division in football, and the AFC is
by far the best conference in the game. I went into the season with
tempered expectations, because although our starters are the youngest
in the NFL, our backups are EVEN YOUNGER!! It's not like Casserly/Capers
left Kubiak/Smith with a boatload of talent on their way out of the door.
Like it or not, this team didn't enter the season with the depth of a team
that's been around for 8 years, because the previous regime SUCKED ROYALLY
at drafting.

Face reality. This team ain't bad. This team ain't a juggernaut. It's an
average team on the verge. They have no where to go from here but up.
We don't have a knee-jerk owner. He's patient man, who's finally assembled
a young, talented staff. Mr. Mcnair will allow the group to gain experience.

You kneejerkers, and you know who you are, will be back.
 
It took NO thirty years to get good players and the corret HC for the job let's model our franchise after as we shall do the same that's the way to go.
 
It is awefully tough playing 6 games a year against the Colts, Titans, and Jags. :bender:

One day we'll probably dominate and the AFC South will be pathetic. That's when we'll lose the SB to the L.A. Lions or something.
 
gary said:
It took NO thirty years to get good players and the corret HC for the job let's model our franchise after as we shall do the same that's the way to go.
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It's obvious you didn't read my post. I stated that the Texans struck
"talent-evaluating gold" with the Kubiak Smith regime. They took us
from ATTROCIOUS, and had to build the team, starters and depth alike,
over the 4 years they've been here. This team won't remain average
too long, and they haven't been attrocious since those two came here.

I was stating that our rate of improvement has been far greater than
that of New Orleans. Look at the track records of franchises that constantly
change their front offices like draws. Over the long haul, they stink. Once
you get a good group together, you leave them there. The way they are
now, is not they way they will ALWAYS be. They'll get better, as that's
what training does to you. You improve.
 
It is clear as the sun is bright that Gary must go one more season is not going to place the Texans over the hump is my point.
 
There are much more proven coaches out there who's track record does not even compare with Gary's even though Gary has only been at the helm for four seasons.
 
gary said:
It is clear as the sun is bright that Gary must go one more season is not going to place the Texans over the hump is my point.
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The Texans weren't going to the playoffs unless they got extremely lucky
on the injury front. Most of our starters are Kubiak draftees, and ALL
of our backups are. We lost two-thirds of our interior o-line and our
yard-munching, touchdown-producing tightend. Not to mention our #2
wide receiver has been bothered with a bad hamstring all year. DEPTH,
my friend, DEPTH. This regime hasn't been around long enough to build it,
and they've proven they can draft well. Time is all they need. We ain't
5-11, 6-10, 2-14.
 
gary said:
There are much more proven coaches out there who's track record does not even compare with Gary's even though Gary has only been at the helm for four seasons.
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Name some of those coaches, and I'll guarantee you they've had good front
office in place for more than 3 years.
 
DexmanC said:
The Texans weren't going to the playoffs unless they got extremely lucky
on the injury front. Most of our starters are Kubiak draftees, and ALL
of our backups are. We lost two-thirds of our interior o-line and our
yard-munching, touchdown-producing tightend. Not to mention our #2
wide receiver has been bothered with a bad hamstring all year. DEPTH,
my friend, DEPTH. This regime hasn't been around long enough to build it,
and they've proven they can draft well. Time is all they need. We ain't
5-11, 6-10, 2-14.
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You say all of this but they had the LEAD in at least three of these games probably even more and LOST every one of them.
 
gary said:
You say all of this but they had the LEAD in at least three of these games probably even more and LOST every one of them.
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Proof positive of my central point. This team has GREATLY improved under
this regime. These were teams that BLEW THEM OFF THE FREAKING FIELD
routinely!!! Now, they are playing like a TALENTED, but YOUNG team!!
What do talented and young teams do? THEY MATURE!! You want to
burn the field before the sprouts can bloom! What botanist would do such
a thing??

Relax!
 
Goatcheese said:
So you're saying they're a talented team that can beat anybody, including themselves? :texflag:
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Yes. That's what they do when they're young and inexperienced. You only
get experience from playing the games. I know this squad hasn't played
its best ball yet. They almost beat the Colts and Titans on barely a HALF
of play. Who can beat them when they finally learn to play a FULL GAME!!

Our baby is taking its first steps, people! Goochie goochie gooo!!!

lol.
 
DexmanC said:
Proof positive of my central point. This team has GREATLY improved under
this regime. These were teams that BLEW THEM OFF THE FREAKING FIELD
routinely!!! Now, they are playing like a TALENTED, but YOUNG team!!
What do talented and young teams do? THEY MATURE!! You want to
burn the field before the sprouts can bloom! What botanist would do such
a thing??

Relax!
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Many of those games were lost due to Gary being out freaking coached and using timeoutes at the wrong time. Just lack of control of the game overall. Ryan Moats, Chris Brown are young? A fumble should be dealt with but I'm sure they were but there are some players who are not that young along with KW and AJ even Matt. Those are vets and Matt should step up and be more of leader but they should be winning more of these tight games by now bottom line.
 
gary said:
Many of those games were lost due to Gary being out freaking coached and using timeoutes at the wrong time. Just lack of control of the game overall. Ryan Moats, Chris Brown are young? A fumble should be dealt with but I'm sure they were but there are some players who are not that young along with KW and AJ even Matt. Those are vets and Matt should step up and be more of leader but they should be winning more of these tight games by now bottom line.
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None of those "vets" have ever won anything. They will struggle until it
"clicks." You can't become champions without going through a period
of struggle. That's where this team is now. Let's see if they have
the character to come out of it.
 
With a coach like Mike H. they probably would. Gary as head coach they players come out with their mind wondering elsewhere and then they get their heads back in game later on another HC would not contend with mess like that. I am done with this debate.
 
DexmanC said:
Proof positive of my central point. This team has GREATLY improved under
this regime.
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Boy you post some false logic on the regular on this issue. What has this team improved on this year? Offense? Their running game has gotten far worse. The O line has gotten much worse than it was last season in run blocking and the RB's have not gotten better especially when the stubborn HC consistently plays a terrible RB in Brown even over a Moats who has played much better than him. Everyone acted like Gary Kubiak was going to turn the Texans into a running power house when he got here all because he came from Denver and brought in Gibbs, and we've had one good running season out FOUR. That's pathetic. And the guys that Gary brought in to become the work horses for the team were Amaan Green and Chris Brown. Slaton was only drafted with the thinking that he would be a 3rd down change of pace back. Kubes has been horrible at his decisions regarding our running game. It's been inexcusable.

Then there is the WR game that seemed to improve a ton early on in the season, and then in this 2nd half of this season has regressed once again and became very inconsistent.

And as far as record, the Texans had the same freaking record two years in a row at 8-8, and guys like you went on and on over last season trying to "spin" it as a much better 8-8 as if something like that can even really exist. It's a sad excuse to spin as improvement really.

The defense has been so up and down in the last 3 years. The D line still hasn't gotten any better. Mario has gotten worse this season, Okoye still sucks since last year and Antonio Smith has probably been our best D Lineman which is really sad.

Oh and once again, we're looking at another 8-8 season most likely and even if they go 9-7, that will be basically the same thing.

DexmanC said:
These were teams that BLEW THEM OFF THE FREAKING FIELD
routinely!!! Now, they are playing like a TALENTED, but YOUNG team!!
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That could have won a few more games thus far if they would have had a better coach that knew which players to play at the right times of close games and would have made better management calls. You keep mentioning talent, but then somehow don't seem to understand that teams win with "talent." You're not supposed to keep under achieving if you still have talent.



DexmanC said:
What do talented and young teams do? THEY MATURE!! You want to
burn the field before the sprouts can bloom! What botanist would do such
a thing??

Relax!
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You've been towing this line all season and talking about how many games we were going to win and how great of a coach Kubes was, and time and time again have been proven wrong about how he has turned this team around. He hasn't turned anything around. He's merely kept them average.
 
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Dex:

A wise man once said: "When you find yourself in a deep hole, stop digging."

You're not going to rally the troops on this one.

Not gunna' happen.
 
Texecutioner said:
Boy you post some false logic on the regular on this issue. What has this team improved on this year? Offense? Their running game has gotten far worse. The O line has gotten much worse than it was last season in run blocking and the RB's have not gotten better especially when the stubborn HC consistently plays a terrible RB in Brown even over a Moats who has played much better than him. Everyone acted like Gary Kubiak was going to turn the Texans into a running power house when he got here all because he came from Denver and brought in Gibbs, and we've had one good running season out FOUR. That's pathetic. And the guys that Gary brought in to become the work horses for the team were Amaan Green and Chris Brown. Slaton was only drafted with the thinking that he would be a 3rd down change of pace back. Kubes has been horrible at his decisions regarding our running game. It's been inexcusable.

Then there is the WR game that seemed to improve a ton early on in the season, and then in this 2nd half of this season has regressed once again and became very inconsistent.

And as far as record, the Texans had the same freaking record two years in a row at 8-8, and guys like you went on and on over last season trying to "spin" it as a much better 8-8 as if something like that can even really exist. It's a sad excuse to spin as improvement really.

The defense has been so up and down in the last 3 years. The D line still hasn't gotten any better. Mario has gotten worse this season, Okoye still sucks since last year and Antonio Smith has probably been our best D Lineman which is really sad.

Oh and once again, we're looking at another 8-8 season most likely and even if they go 9-7, that will be basically the same thing.



That could have won a few more games thus far if they would have had a better coach that knew which players to play at the right times of close games and would have made better management calls. You keep mentioning talent, but then somehow don't seem to understand that teams win with "talent." You're not supposed to keep under achieving if you still have talent.





You've been towing this line all season and talking about how many games we were going to win and how great of a coach Kubes was, and time and time again have been proven wrong about how he has turned this team around. he hasn't turned anything around. He's merely kept them average.
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I am done with him Tex he is ok with the Texans being .500 team so we shall allow him to have fun doing so.
 
Its all about Wins and losses

THe team can love him all they want


but depending on what the record is at the end of the year will decided Kubes job mcnair already said
 
DexmanC said:
This simply where I stand. New Orleans endured over 30 years of SUCKITUDE,
before they've FINALLY achieved some model of recent success. You young
pups don't KNOW SUCKITUDE to the point of qualify as "LONG SUFFERING"

Pre Kubiak, this team played NOTHING like an NFL squad. It was the most
attrocious thing on television, to the point of EMBARRASSMENT.
This team has consistently improved, but the way they've been built
has forced them to go through trial-by-fire. Should we have signed a
"Brian Dawkins" in the offseason? Maybe. But we got a 4-year talented
player by the name of Bernard Pollard instead. I'm more interested in
how they finish their next 5 games.

Hey, the AFC South is the toughest division in football, and the AFC is
by far the best conference in the game. I went into the season with
tempered expectations, because although our starters are the youngest
in the NFL, our backups are EVEN YOUNGER!! It's not like Casserly/Capers
left Kubiak/Smith with a boatload of talent on their way out of the door.
Like it or not, this team didn't enter the season with the depth of a team
that's been around for 8 years, because the previous regime SUCKED ROYALLY
at drafting.

Face reality. This team ain't bad. This team ain't a juggernaut. It's an
average team on the verge. They have no where to go from here but up.
We don't have a knee-jerk owner. He's patient man, who's finally assembled
a young, talented staff. Mr. Mcnair will allow the group to gain experience.

You kneejerkers, and you know who you are, will be back.
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BS. You have bad analogies. Earlier, you said we should be happy because we're not St. Louis, KC or Oakland. As if that was relevant. Who cares about those teams?

Now you're comparing us to New Orleans, which is even worse. Basically, you're saying that we have to wait 30 years for the Texans to improve. Bull-s---!!! The NFL is structured totally different than it was back then.

Dude, you like average and that's cool. But the rest of us don't.
 
DexmanC said:
All that matters, is that Grandpa Bob agrees with me after his postseason
evaluation.
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LOL!

Are you a PSL holder?

I am. I pay the bills up in this mofo.

Grandpa Bob, as you call him, better listen to MY ass.

Trust me, PSL holders are not playing around this year.
 
houstonspartan said:
LOL!

Are you a PSL holder?

I am. I pay the bills up in this mofo.

Grandpa Bob, as you call him, better listen to MY ass.

Trust me, PSL holders are not playing around this year.
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You're right

Schaub would call us fair wethered fans but after 8 yrs I have yet to see the fair weather.
 
Hey Kubes. What about these PSL holders who think you've done NOTHING
to take this team past the Capers era?

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I agree, Kubes. I agree.
 
DexmanC said:
Hey Kubes. What about these PSL holders who think you've done NOTHING
to take this team past the Capers era?

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I agree, Kubes. I agree.
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You're full of crap. I never said he's done nothing for us. I'm saying he's taken us as far as he could.

In your words: "Get it right!"
 
DexmanC said:
And 3+ years of exciting, yet sometimes disappointing ball.

Get it right!

:splits:
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3+ years of heartbreaking football full of emotional letdowns, but whatever. If barely losing, but still losing is exciting to you whatever.


So far like I said ealier....Kubiak has been nothing but Norv Turner 2.0 (though even Norv Turner has done a better coaching job over the last 2 1/2 seasons).
 
Carr Bombed said:
3+ years of heartbreaking football full of emotional letdowns, but whatever. If barely losing, but still losing is exciting to you whatever.


So far like I said ealier....Kubiak has been nothing but Norv Turner 2.0 (though even Norv Turner has done a better coaching job over the last 2 1/2 seasons).
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Norv turner took over the most talented team in the NFL, and has taken them backwards.

Kubiak took over the least talented team in the NFL. Absolute dead last, with a whole 3 players he felt worthy of keeping on the roster, and a horrible salary cap situation. He had to find 20 new starters, plus a punter and depth in 4 off seasons. 4 years is simply not enough time to replace 50 players with quality NFL talent. You're asking him to add 7-8 quality backups, and 5 NFL caliber starters every year.

Nobody can do that. 2006 was one of the best offseasons that any team has had in recent history, and it only netted us 5 NFL level starters. DeMeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Eric Winston, Owen Daniels and Kevin Walter. You can't reasonably expect them to bring in that kind of haul every year.

Add in that he's lost an All Pro TE, fringe Pro Bowl LG, and his starters at RG and FS to injury and it only gets harder.

Despite that mountain he's had to climb, this team has shown clear improvement this season over past years. They have only been 'beaten' once in 11 games. Every other game was competitive and exciting, with a chance for them to pull out a win. They've scored more points than they've surrendered for the first time in franchise history. The defense is no longer the worst in NFL history. The offense has been good despite the running game struggling this year; a problem you can realistically expect to be solved given this coaching staff's past success.

Personally I'm 50/50 on Kubes. He has been brilliant at times, and left me full on double facepalm at others. I think he's improved the team every year, and at this point, should get the final year of his contract to see if he can finish the 5 year plan. Maybe I'm being too patient, but I think a rookie head coach starting a team basically with AJ, and Pitts can't be expected to be a serious playoff contender(especially in the AFC South) after 4 years.

McNair understands the enormity of the task Kubiak has undertaken, and I can't see him throwing him under the bus without a serious collapse, and loss of confidence from the players.
 
Goatcheese said:
Norv turner took over the most talented team in the NFL, and has taken them backwards.

Kubiak took over the least talented team in the NFL. Absolute dead last, with a whole 3 players he felt worthy of keeping on the roster, and a horrible salary cap situation. He had to find 20 new starters, plus a punter and depth in 4 off seasons. 4 years is simply not enough time to replace 50 players with quality NFL talent. You're asking him to add 7-8 quality backups, and 5 NFL caliber starters every year.

Nobody can do that. 2006 was one of the best offseasons that any team has had in recent history, and it only netted us 5 NFL level starters. DeMeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Eric Winston, Owen Daniels and Kevin Walter. You can't reasonably expect them to bring in that kind of haul every year.

Add in that he's lost an All Pro TE, fringe Pro Bowl LG, and his starters at RG and FS to injury and it only gets harder.

Despite that mountain he's had to climb, this team has shown clear improvement this season over past years. They have only been 'beaten' once in 11 games. Every other game was competitive and exciting, with a chance for them to pull out a win. They've scored more points than they've surrendered for the first time in franchise history. The defense is no longer the worst in NFL history. The offense has been good despite the running game struggling this year; a problem you can realistically expect to be solved given this coaching staff's past success.

Personally I'm 50/50 on Kubes. He has been brilliant at times, and left me full on double facepalm at others. I think he's improved the team every year, and at this point, should get the final year of his contract to see if he can finish the 5 year plan. Maybe I'm being too patient, but I think a rookie head coach starting a team basically with AJ, and Pitts can't be expected to be a serious playoff contender(especially in the AFC South) after 4 years.

McNair understands the enormity of the task Kubiak has undertaken, and I can't see him throwing him under the bus without a serious collapse, and loss of confidence from the players.
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I think you are correct - we have come a long way from where we were. I have seen improvement every year. Each year we get closer and closer and pick up more pieces of the puzzle. We are still missing a few pieces. Which ones exactly I do not know. But we have not gotten back into salary-cap hell.

Some teams are only a few players away when they change coaches so the change is fast. We were a whole team away and it has taken longer. A lot longer than what most fans want and expect.

I think most fans expected this year to be the year. We have been closer and a lot more competitive. But we seem to play half of the game really well and have brain farts the other half - by both coaches and players. And some really horrible penalties that were not penalties thrown in on top of that.

I do not want to see a new coach come in and start over again. Change the defense/offense and wait another couple of years to get the right personnel for their scheme. But I am beginning to have some doubts that Kubiak can get more out of the players than he has already.
 
Honestly, after 4 seasons with him as HC, I'm more prone to believe that Kubiak has an excellent influence on draft selection than that he is actually a good coach. Casserly was horrible and yet we have the 2006 draft with Kubiak and Casserly. Every draft since Kubiak came to the Texans seems to have been better than before. Maybe we should Fire Smith, promote Kubiak to GM, and hire a new HC, LOL.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
3+ years of heartbreaking football full of emotional letdowns, but whatever. If barely losing, but still losing is exciting to you whatever.


So far like I said ealier....Kubiak has been nothing but Norv Turner 2.0 (though even Norv Turner has done a better coaching job over the last 2 1/2 seasons).
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In previous years, we'd know they'd lost it at kickoff! So, that's an
improvement. The fact we could lose Chester Pitts, Owen Daniels, AND
Eugene Wilson, and still have the ability to beat the Colts, shows a marked
improvement in our depth. The fact still remains this team wasn't going
far without its starters being healthy for the whole season. We just aren't
yet deep enough. We've only had a good front office in place for less than
four years,and Kubiak is a HUGE part of it.
 
DexmanC said:
In previous years, we'd know they'd lost it at kickoff! So, that's an
improvement. The fact we could lose Chester Pitts, Owen Daniels, AND
Eugene Wilson, and still have the ability to beat the Colts, shows a marked
improvement in our depth. The fact still remains this team wasn't going
far without its starters being healthy for the whole season. We just aren't
yet deep enough. We've only had a good front office in place for less than
four years,and Kubiak is a HUGE part of it.
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So where are the W's, genius?
 
I don't get it. The main argument for keeping Kubiak is that he's assembled a good squad.

That doesn't have anything to do with the coaching aspect. He's still making the same mistakes he was making his rookie yr. here. The challenge flag he threw during the Colts game was ridicolous. He's always getting away from the running game this yr. He rarely has his guys ready to play. Yes, talents been brought in, but the question is can he coach well enough to keep that talent here. Demeco and Owen saw other players get contracts during the yr. Our FO isn't doing anything until after the season. At that time there's no guarantee that they'll want to stay here. Kubiak hasn't shown hes got what it takes.
 
datchapin said:
I don't get it. The main argument for keeping Kubiak is that he's assembled a good squad.

That doesn't have anything to do with the coaching aspect. He's still making the same mistakes he was making his rookie yr. here. The challenge flag he threw during the Colts game was ridicolous. He's always getting away from the running game this yr. He rarely has his guys ready to play. Yes, talents been brought in, but the question is can he coach well enough to keep that talent here. Demeco and Owen saw other players get contracts during the yr. Our FO isn't doing anything until after the season. At that time there's no guarantee that they'll want to stay here. Kubiak hasn't shown hes got what it takes.
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He lost 2/3 of the INTERIOR of the offensive line. Where's the running game?
The offense is predicated on playaction, and we can't run. STILL, the
team remains competitive in spite of losing so much of our o-line. Teams
that lose offensive linemen left and right struggle. This is the first season
in which we've been bit by the injury bug, and still were not blown off
the field.

You also need a little luck to win. The Texans have got NO BREAKS all
year! The margin for error is SMALL in the NFL. EVERY team makes mistakes,
and this team's a lucky bounce or two away from a couple more wins. Yeah,
it sucks, but you don't blow up the whole team over it. You take the team,
and the circumstances they've faced, in its entirety. Whether you like it
or not, this is a good team. Both on the field, and in the front office. It
will be a lot clearer once you've backed off the ledge, and the '09 season
has ended.

Calling for the destruction of this team is WAYYYY premature. Sit back,
grab a pizza, and root for your team on Sunday. Jacksonville is in the same
boat as us, yet THEIR home fans will be blacked out. When you want to
talk about "8 years," LEAVE KUBIAK OUT OF IT. We've had the best
3+ years under his regime, and they have NOT topped out yet!
 
Texecutioner said:
You would be perfect as a Lions fan with your low expectations and comfort with mediocraty.
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That's funny, because I grew up in Michigan and this was the exact same attitude among Lions fans growing up. Every single year it was the same thing: Maybe next year. Maybe next year.

The result?

0-16.
 
Grams said:
I think you are correct - we have come a long way from where we were. I have seen improvement every year. Each year we get closer and closer and pick up more pieces of the puzzle. We are still missing a few pieces. Which ones exactly I do not know. But we have not gotten back into salary-cap hell.

Some teams are only a few players away when they change coaches so the change is fast. We were a whole team away and it has taken longer. A lot longer than what most fans want and expect.

I think most fans expected this year to be the year. We have been closer and a lot more competitive. But we seem to play half of the game really well and have brain farts the other half - by both coaches and players. And some really horrible penalties that were not penalties thrown in on top of that.

I do not want to see a new coach come in and start over again. Change the defense/offense and wait another couple of years to get the right personnel for their scheme. But I am beginning to have some doubts that Kubiak can get more out of the players than he has already.
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First bolded part. This is what bothers me. Most fans on this board can point out those pieces, yet the staff can't seem to identify them. Kubiak's personnel decision making is just about like the team record the past two years .500.

Yet to full on address RB unless you want to point to Ahman Green and Chris Brown. I think Slaton was a bit like DD in the sense he was originally drafted as a third down back and had to turn into more because lack of talent at the spot. Had a good chance to pick up Shonn Greene in the second round this year or LeSean McCoy. Not saying either is all-world at this point but both would've been a clear upgrade to our RB depth chart, instead we get Connor Barwin. Also missed out on Jennings in 7th.

This team has yet to show an interest in the safety position especially FS. Look I dunno about you but, thinking we could run Barber and Busing out as our starting SS and be ok is outright stupid. We got lucky that KC was dumb enough to cut their leading tackler last year so we could wait two games into the season to sign Pollard.

The interior of the OL is all Kubiak's guys, with the exception of Pitts. Max Unger of Andy Levitre would've made excellent choices in the second as well to shore that spot up. To be honest I'm a bit puzzled about Caldwell, they picked him and I thought he had al lthe right tools, but the OL staff seems to think he's not right for what they're looking for yet. To me looks like there was a disconnect somewhere with scouting.

The staff has still yet to figure out what to do with DT. I think we had hopes for Okam but, it's seeming to fade fast. Could've had a shot at old Grady Jackson (who signed with Detroit) ironically we took another Detroit DT in Cody.

Second bolded part. Look, I'm tired of the insinuation that if we fire Kubiak we have to go in and implode the squad. There's plenty of WC offense style coaches and coordinators. Defensively we aren't that bad off on making a switch of a 3-4 I think. Not sure how I'd feel about it but it wouldn't be the terrible ordeal I think people are making it out to be. We've got the best depth on defense at LB and Williams Smith would make good 3-4 DEs. Just have to find a cheeseburger gobbling NT.

IF Bob decided to make the change at HC, which I hope he does, I don't believe that we'd have to remake the entire team. Ya'll keep saying that this team isn't far away, but have it in your head making a change at coach would be a monumental step backwards. Sadly I think that's probably the best argument Kubiak supporters have. A straw-man.
 
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