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I think I am done with the season....

corytx8

corytx8

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Alright, I am usually quiet when it comes to being negative on my home teams. To be honest, it is really crazy for me to actually feel this way, but I think I have reached a point where I am done with this season. I have a lot other important matters going on with life than to invest time into a team that is committed to winning football games.

For the past four seasons, the Texans have sold us fans they are committed to winning games. But yet, the way they have handled this QB situation has consistently set this team back. At this point, It seems to me that this organization is dead set on trying to save face at this point vs biting a bullet that needs to be bitten.

At the beginning season, I was stoked about the Brock experiment. We as fans want them to go get a QB. Well, they went and did that. They tried the Brock experiment, I kept an open mind about him through the first half of the season to see if there will be any flashes. But there were none. So the question remains, why continue to start a QB whose stats are only better than those of Ryan Mallet? Why not give Tom Savage a shot to either succeed or fail at this point?

Anyways, I love this community. I am getting ready to finish school and head to Dallas for an internship with American Airlines. I will be sticking around, but I don't think I will be watching a lot of Texans here on out for the remainder of this season.
 
long time reader, first time poster here. I was done with the season when my favorite running back (picture in profile) did the blacklivesmatter salute to the national anthem. I don't watch the games anymore, but continue to peruse the forums and check out the scores.
 
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corytx8 said:
So the question remains, why continue to start a QB whose stats are only better than those of Ryan Mallet? Why not give Tom Savage a shot to either succeed or fail at this point?
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To save face. To bench Brock now would be an admittance of a huge mistake of epic proportions. The decision to sign Osweiler was as much or more Bob McNair's than it was O'Brien or Smith. Not only did the decision screw up 2016 but it will have the same effect on 2017 as well.
 
Texian said:
To save face. To bench Brock now would be an admittance of a huge mistake of epic proportions. The decision to sign Osweiler was as much or more Bob McNair's than it was O'Brien or Smith. Not only did the decision screw up 2016 but it will have the same effect on 2017 as well.
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Lol, I hear ya Texian, but I don't think it would be surprising news to the NFL world. If the Patriots, Broncos, Packers, Steelers...etc....etc, had made such a mistake it would be metaphorically tantamount to being called an assassination. The Texans simply got shot and died. :tease:
 
brg88tx said:
go jump on the dallas cowgirl bandwagon cory.
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Yeah, you told him. The Cowboys only have a better team, play like they actually care, and have a championship history.

The bitterness of Houston fans with the faux one-way "rivalry" is amusing. I used the be the same way. But, as the late, great Carl Sagan once said, "it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
 
Showtime100 said:
Lol, I hear ya Texian, but I don't think it would be surprising news to the NFL world. If the Patriots, Broncos, Packers, Steelers...etc....etc, had made such a mistake it would be metaphorically tantamount to being called an assassination. The Texans simply got shot and died. :tease:
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Yep, I'm a BIG fan of Jimmy Johnson's, admit your mistakes, get rid of them ASAP and don't let them linger. When they signed Brock most here said, Well they can cut him in two years if it doesn't work out. Well they are getting what they ask for. I'm thinking yeah but you will still be in square one come 2018 to do it all over again.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yeah, you told him. The Cowboys only have a better team, play like they actually care, and have a championship history.

The bitterness of Houston fans with the faux one-way "rivalry" is amusing. I used the be the same way. But, as the late, great Carl Sagan once said, "it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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Having had to go to bars in order to watch the Texans most weeks for years on end, I've met a lot of Cowboys fans and not even once has one acted as if there is a rivalry between the Cowboys and Texans. There's never even playful banter. Same thing with Colts fans. You typically see Cowboys/Giants/Eagles banter at the bar, but I can't ever remember exchanging playful **** talk with any fans other than Jags fans a few times. We don't really have rivals other than the Titans, and those games typically don't have anything of real significance on the line.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
Having had to go to bars in order to watch the Texans most weeks for years on end, I've met a lot of Cowboys fans and not even once has one acted as if there is a rivalry between the Cowboys and Texans. There's never even playful banter. Same thing with Colts fans. You typically see Cowboys/Giants/Eagles banter at the bar, but I can't ever remember exchanging playful **** talk with any fans other than Jags fans a few times. We don't really have rivals other than the Titans, and those games typically don't have anything of real significance on the line.
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We've won 3 straight against the Colts... If we continue that will become a rivalry.

Houston doesn't have any true rivals since the AFC Central days. None for Texans yet because we haven't been significant yet
 
Double Barrel said:
Yeah, you told him. The Cowboys only have a better team, play like they actually care, and have a championship history.

The bitterness of Houston fans with the faux one-way "rivalry" is amusing. I used the be the same way. But, as the late, great Carl Sagan once said, "it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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My legal age son was 1 the last time the Cowboys were relevant in the league. Let's not take our frustrations with the hometown team and extrapolate them into the Cowboys being some kind of model franchise just because this year they are on an upswing after a few decades of mediocrity. They have won as many playoff games as the Texans have in the last 20 years. Their future may look brighter right now than the Texans, but they spent 20 years getting to this place. McNair has given us two playoff wins in 15 years with an expansion franchise. Jerry Jones gave Cowboys fans two playoff wins in 20 years after winning 3 of 4 Super Bowls. Jerry has been raping his fanbase for many, many, many years based on faded memories of bygone glory.

Sidenote: The Cowboys offense, after averaging over 400 yards and 29 points per game for the season, has averaged 262 total yards and 12 points over the last two games, which would put them dead last in the league.
 
sandman said:
My legal age son was 1 the last time the Cowboys were relevant in the league. Let's not take our frustrations with the hometown team and extrapolate them into the Cowboys being some kind of model franchise just because this year they are on an upswing after a few decades of mediocrity. They have won as many playoff games as the Texans have in the last 20 years. Their future may look brighter right now than the Texans, but they spent 20 years getting to this place. McNair has given us two playoff wins in 15 years with an expansion franchise. Jerry Jones gave Cowboys fans two playoff wins in 20 years after winning 3 of 4 Super Bowls. Jerry has been raping his fanbase for many, many, many years based on faded memories of bygone glory.

Sidenote: The Cowboys offense, after averaging over 400 yards and 29 points per game for the season, has averaged 262 total yards and 12 points over the last two games, which would put them dead last in the league.
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My reply was simply to counter the statement of jumping on the Cowboys bandwagon. I've heard it my entire life in Houston, and it's a sad indictment of Houston football fan's frustration and jealousy.

The thing is that the Cowboys can go two decades between relevance and the Texans will continue to remain the same flatline mediocrity with the occasional blip of a postseason like they have for 15 seasons while other teams will rise and fall.

I'm not a Cowboys fan by any stretch, but the simple fact remains that Cowboys players, even when they are down, know that they are playing for a franchise with five Lombardis in the trophy case and a bunch of HoF players in its history.

The Texans have two banners that they won when Peyton had a broken neck and a third banner for being the least suckiest team in the crappiest division in football.
 
I think the Cowboys could be in the beginnings of a real come-to-Jesus moment. This team as it is today is getting closer and closer to the fire that is NFL playoff pressure. Both they and we have no idea how they are going to handle said pressure. Some chinks in the armor already showing?
 
Double Barrel said:
My reply was simply to counter the statement of jumping on the Cowboys bandwagon. I've heard it my entire life in Houston, and it's a sad indictment of Houston football fan's frustration and jealousy.

The thing is that the Cowboys can go two decades between relevance and the Texans will continue to remain the same flatline mediocrity with the occasional blip of a postseason like they have for 15 seasons while other teams will rise and fall.

I'm not a Cowboys fan by any stretch, but the simple fact remains that Cowboys players, even when they are down, know that they are playing for a franchise with five Lombardis in the trophy case and a bunch of HoF players in its history.

The Texans have two banners that they won when Peyton had a broken neck and a third banner for being the least suckiest team in the crappiest division in football.
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There are three divisions this season that have crappier records than ours.
Hard to believe but true.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Having had to go to bars in order to watch the Texans most weeks for years on end,b I've met a lot of Cowboys fans and not even once has one acted as if there is a rivalry between the Cowboys and Texans. There's never even playful banter. Same thing with Colts fans. You typically see Cowboys/Giants/Eagles banter at the bar, but I can't ever remember exchanging playful **** talk with any fans other than Jags fans a few times. We don't really have rivals other than the Titans, and those games typically don't have anything of real significance on the line.
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You have to live here in the Houston area. I hear **** talk almost everyday at work from cowpie fans! They love **** talking to Texan fans especially now that their team is actually doing something. Can't get em to stop!
 
corytx8 said:
At the beginning season, I was stoked about the Brock experiment. We as fans want them to go get a QB. Well, they went and did that. They tried the Brock experiment, I kept an open mind about him through the first half of the season to see if there will be any flashes. But there were none. So the question remains, why continue to start a QB whose stats are only better than those of Ryan Mallet? Why not give Tom Savage a shot to either succeed or fail at this point.
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This was and is my position as well. I supported the gamble on Brock. What matters now is how to recover from it. There are no signs that McNair, Smith, or O'Brien are going to be pragmatic and cut bait. It makes the prospect of this season and the next very unexciting.

Every season we have had reason to believe that the team may improve enough to be playoff relevant. No one believes that with Brock as the QB.
 
Brisco_County said:
This was and is my position as well. I supported the gamble on Brock. What matters now is how to recover from it. There are no signs that McNair, Smith, or O'Brien are going to be pragmatic and cut bait. It makes the prospect of this season and the next very unexciting.

Every season we have had reason to believe that the team may improve enough to be playoff relevant. No one believes that with Brock as the QB.
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I think at this point you have to stick with Brock. He is underwhelming, but he is a known quantity. He has made plays at critical times and he has not lost games for us. He shows signs of marginal improvement as we near the post season. You have to hope that trend continues and the improvement becomes more substantial. With the other two guys on the roster, you don't know what you have or how they will respond under pressure. That is an unknown you don't want to explore going into the playoffs. With our defense, we can win with this offense, it is not easy, but it can be done. It can't be done if we have a Hoyerable performance from the QB. Brock gives us the best shot at avoiding that. We have limited data on the other two QBs and neither has any game time (other than preseason) running this offense with these players.

Now, next season, I think it is time to have a true QB competition and the only way Osweiller starts is if he beats out the competition.
 
Brisco_County said:
This was and is my position as well. I supported the gamble on Brock. What matters now is how to recover from it. There are no signs that McNair, Smith, or O'Brien are going to be pragmatic and cut bait. It makes the prospect of this season and the next very unexciting.

Every season we have had reason to believe that the team may improve enough to be playoff relevant. No one believes that with Brock as the QB.
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I'm thinking O'b is tied to Osweiler. if O'b can't make a QB out of Osweiler he's gone.
 
Texas Jake said:
I think at this point you have to stick with Brock. He is underwhelming, but he is a known quantity. He has made plays at critical times and he has not lost games for us. He shows signs of marginal improvement as we near the post season. You have to hope that trend continues and the improvement becomes more substantial. With the other two guys on the roster, you don't know what you have or how they will respond under pressure. That is an unknown you don't want to explore going into the playoffs. With our defense, we can win with this offense, it is not easy, but it can be done. It can't be done if we have a Hoyerable performance from the QB. Brock gives us the best shot at avoiding that. We have limited data on the other two QBs and neither has any game time (other than preseason) running this offense with these players.

Now, next season, I think it is time to have a true QB competition and the only way Osweiller starts is if he beats out the competition.
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At this point of the season, it's too late to make a change. If didn't happen after the BYE week, it really wasn't going to happen. At this point, it's BOB job to put Brock in a position where he doesn't lose the game for us.


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thunderkyss said:
I'm thinking O'b is tied to Osweiler. if O'b can't make a QB out of Osweiler he's gone.
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Could be, but I am not sure about that. It depends on who actually pushed signing Brock. If OB was a big part of it, I think you are right. If it was McNair and/or Rick Smith and OB was roped into this deal, he could survive a Osweiler bust (unless he is made the scapegoat).
 
Texas Jake said:
Could be, but I am not sure about that. It depends on who actually pushed signing Brock. If OB was a big part of it, I think you are right. If it was McNair and/or Rick Smith and OB was roped into this deal, he could survive a Osweiler bust (unless he is made the scapegoat).
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Osweiler won't be allowed to bust... he may get injured but...
 
corytx8 said:
At this point of the season, it's too late to make a change. If didn't happen after the BYE week, it really wasn't going to happen. At this point, it's BOB job to put Brock in a position where he doesn't lose the game for us.


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Which is exactly the role he played for Denver in that 5-2 stretch.
 
Texas Jake said:
Could be, but I am not sure about that. It depends on who actually pushed signing Brock. If OB was a big part of it, I think you are right. If it was McNair and/or Rick Smith and OB was roped into this deal, he could survive a Osweiler bust (unless he is made the scapegoat).
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I think it is likely that O'b picked Fitzpatrick & Hoyer, then eventually turned on both of them (shitcanning Fitz for Hoyer, then benching Hoyer week 1). Rick brought in Mallett & Osweiler.

He's already proven that he can't win with his own picks (the Texans standards are higher than one & done) & he's demonstrated once already he's inflexible when it comes to Rick's pick. if he fails a second time... showing he can't work well with others, he's gone.

If we're lucky we'll get rid of both O'b & Rick, but I think Rick has shown that he is willing to bend over backwards to get the coach what he's asking for. (I don't like it anymore than you do, but how can you fault a man for giving you what you asked for)
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it is likely that O'b picked Fitzpatrick & Hoyer, then eventually turned on both of them (shitcanning Fitz for Hoyer, then benching Hoyer week 1). Rick brought in Mallett & Osweiler.

He's already proven that he can't win with his own picks (the Texans standards are higher than one & done) & he's demonstrated once already he's inflexible when it comes to Rick's pick. if he fails a second time... showing he can't work well with others, he's gone.

If we're lucky we'll get rid of both O'b & Rick, but I think Rick has shown that he is willing to bend over backwards to get the coach what he's asking for. (I don't like it anymore than you do, but how can you fault a man for giving you what you asked for)
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It wouldn't break my heart if they got rid of Smith, but I am ok if they keep him (I realise I am in a minority). Rick has gotten better over the years and we could do worse.
 
Shouldn't the bar for a GM's performance be a little higher than 2 playoff wins and no conference championship game appearances in 10 years?
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it is likely that O'b picked Fitzpatrick & Hoyer, then eventually turned on both of them (shitcanning Fitz for Hoyer, then benching Hoyer week 1). Rick brought in Mallett & Osweiler.

He's already proven that he can't win with his own picks (the Texans standards are higher than one & done) & he's demonstrated once already he's inflexible when it comes to Rick's pick. if he fails a second time... showing he can't work well with others, he's gone.

If we're lucky we'll get rid of both O'b & Rick, but I think Rick has shown that he is willing to bend over backwards to get the coach what he's asking for. (I don't like it anymore than you do, but how can you fault a man for giving you what you asked for)
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That's a whole lot of speculation and assigning responsibilities for decisions in the front office. Based on what?

I doubt there was much forcing of things or decision making behind anyone's back. This is, as Cal said, a consensus front office. They are all (O'Brien, Rick Smith, Bob & Cal) responsible for personnel decisions unless it is clear that the owner made a decision like he did with Ed Reed.
 
tedr said:
Shouldn't the bar for a GM's performance be a little higher than 2 playoff wins and no conference championship game appearances in 10 years?
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In this situation the real GM is McNair.
Think about it.
Who has really done the hiring of head coaches and coordinators? McNair.
Who has really made the decisions on when to give star players (in his mind) contract extensions? McNair.
Who has really made the calls for when to get high visibility free agents like Osweiler or Ed Reed? McNair again.

And to further answer your question, I think the coaching staff should be held responsible for performance on the field. GM's don't call plays or set lineups or get the players ready for upcoming opponents. All the things that lead to wins and losses are the responsibilities of the coaching staff.
 
ObsiWan said:
In this situation the real GM is McNair.
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Some folks are fooling themselves. The owner of all 32 teams is the final arbiter. The idea someone hands over a billion dollar enterprise and just ignores it is ludicrous. There isn't a team in the league where the GM or HC makes a $100 mil decision and doesn't run it by the big guy. That's shear fantasy.

Bad results, ugly team lead to conspiracy theories. It's in vogue right now.
 
ObsiWan said:
In this situation the real GM is McNair.
Think about it.
Who has really done the hiring of head coaches and coordinators? McNair.
Who has really made the decisions on when to give star players (in his mind) contract extensions? McNair.
Who has really made the calls for when to get high visibility free agents like Osweiler or Ed Reed? McNair again.

And to further answer your question, I think the coaching staff should be held responsible for performance on the field. GM's don't call plays or set lineups or get the players ready for upcoming opponents. All the things that lead to wins and losses are the responsibilities of the coaching staff.
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I think "G.M." is just a standard title with the Texans. But, according to the McNairs themselves, Rick Smith does not have the same G.M. powers that you see with John Elway, Ozzie Newsome, Ted Thompson, etc.

They have publicly stated that they run the front office more like a boardroom and its all about building a consensus between the HC, GM, and two McNairs (and whoever else is allowed at the table). I personally believe that this is a management style that Bob McNair is comfortable with due to his very successful business background, so he uses that same approach with his football team.

Cal has also said that all strategy and philosophy directions come from his dad.

I would assume that's why we don't see Rick Smith's head rolling, because they are all responsible for front office decisions.

While I do not doubt that big decisions with 31 teams (not including GB) are approved by the owner(s), I have not read about many teams beyond the Cowboys where the owner's family is directly involved with personnel and strategy decisions. Maybe it is more normal than we realize, but I don't follow other teams as closely as I do the Texans so I'm just not sure. I remember Bud Adams was a lot more involved back in the day.

I know with Elway, the Bowlen family has given him full power for all operational decisions. An interview I saw after they won the Super Bowl talked about the decisions that Elway makes, and it all starts with him with regards to who will be HC, assistant coaches, and all the way down to players, trainers, etc. The story said the Bowlens have complete confidence in Elway running their franchise. For instance, he did not need their approval to fire John Fox and hire Kubiak (although I have no doubt that he most likely consulted with them to keep them informed). To me, that's some serious G.M. power.
 
Double Barrel said:
To me, that's some serious G.M. power.
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And that's exactly how it should be. In my opinion, the Cowboys have succeeded in spite of their owner's meddling. Is there actually an example of a truly successful, perennial contender, that employs the same style of management as the Texans? I sure can't think of one.

This is a failing organization with a management structure that simply doesn't work. Until the management is fixed, we'll always be a mediocre franchise with people that don't really know football making decisions about what happens on a professional football field.

If it's never going to change, why continue supporting them?
 
Say Watt said:
And that's exactly how it should be. In my opinion, the Cowboys have succeeded in spite of their owner's meddling. Is there actually an example of a truly successful, perennial contender, that employs the same style of management as the Texans? I sure can't think of one.

This is a failing organization with a management structure that simply doesn't work. Until the management is fixed, we'll always be a mediocre franchise with people that don't really know football making decisions about what happens on a professional football field.

If it's never going to change, why continue supporting them?
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You have to answer that for yourself.

I'm a Houstonian, I follow all Houston teams to some degree or other. I especially like football and the NFL, so that means the Texans. Hope for the best but if it don't happen, I ain't gonna die about it. Odds are, they will over time be just like all the other Houston teams. Win now and then, have good an bad years, good and bad players/coaches. Oh wait, all sports teams are like that. Even the Patriots/Steelers/Yankees
 
JB said:
You have to answer that for yourself.

I'm a Houstonian, I follow all Houston teams to some degree or other. I especially like football and the NFL, so that means the Texans. Hope for the best but if it don't happen, I ain't gonna die about it. Odds are, they will over time be just like all the other Houston teams. Win now and then, have good an bad years, good and bad players/coaches. Oh wait, all sports teams are like that. Even the Patriots/Steelers/Yankees
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I'm a born and raised Houstonian as well. But when does logic begin to outweigh the sense of loyalty one feels to their hometown? At least with other Houston sports, we've routinely been able to turn things around and become contenders every 5-10 years. With the Texans, there appears to be no such hope. And I'm not real sure how you or anyone else can see anything in this franchise that will ever have them on the same level of competitiveness as the Astros or Rockets. And while people love to hate on the Astros for how bad things were for almost 10 years, well even with those terrible years, the Astros have still enjoyed WAY more success than the Texans ever have in the exact same timeframe.
 
Say Watt said:
I'm a born and raised Houstonian as well. But when does logic begin to outweigh the sense of loyalty one feels to their hometown? At least with other Houston sports, we've routinely been able to turn things around and become contenders every 5-10 years. With the Texans, there appears to be no such hope. And I'm not real sure how you or anyone else can see anything in this franchise that will ever have them on the same level of competitiveness as the Astros or Rockets. And while people love to hate on the Astros for how bad things were for almost 10 years, well even with those terrible years, the Astros have still enjoyed WAY more success than the Texans ever have in the exact same timeframe.
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The Texans were true contenders in 2011 & 2012 until Schaub collapsed. And don't compare the astros who started play in the 60's to the Texans who started play 40 years later. Point is that regardless of how they do, next season will start with the same hopes as this one did more or less


And no one is forcing you to follow the Texans. If you don't feel right supporting them, don't follow, don't spend money, don't talk about them. Even being here discussing them is a win for them.
 
JB said:
The Texans were true contenders in 2011 & 2012 until Schaub collapsed. And don't compare the astros who started play in the 60's to the Texans who started play 40 years later. Point is that regardless of how they do, next season will start with the same hopes as this one did more or less


And no one is forcing you to follow the Texans. If you don't feel right supporting them, don't follow, don't spend money, don't talk about them. Even being here discussing them is a win for them.
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I wouldn't call a team that was forced to be led by T.J. Yates as a rookie was looked at by anyone outside of Houston hopefuls as a contender. That was the strongest Houston team to me, but with Yates they had no chance. The defense was sick that year though. I wouldn't call a team that had lost the last 3 out of 4 games of the season real contenders either. That 2012 team started out great, but hit a wall and were damaged goods by the time the playoffs came around. Their only saving grace was another match up with Cinci in weak one again.
 
Texecutioner said:
I wouldn't call a team that was forced to be led by T.J. Yates as a rookie was looked at by anyone outside of Houston hopefuls as a contender. That was the strongest Houston team to me, but with Yates they had no chance. I wouldn't call a team that had lost the last 3 out of 4 games of the season real contenders either. That 2012 team started out great, but hit a wall and were damaged goods by the time the playoffs came around.
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That's why I said
JB said:
2011&2012 until Schaub collapsed.
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That team had a real good shot at the SB until Schaub's injury and consequent meltdown in the later stages of 2012 that led to his epic play in 2013
 
Well it wasn't just Schaub though. You see Schaub was always one of those particular guys that needed everything to go perfect for him to be the effective guy he was known for when he was rolling. He wasn't the type of guy that was going to improv his way in and out of plays all game long when he'd feel consistent pressure. He wasn't mobile, so it made his ability to extend plays as a real negative. By that time our Oline wasn't blocking well, and Foster was also playing below average by the end of that season. Schaub's decline had just literally begun, and the other functions of the team weren't picking up the slack which made Schaub that much worse.
 
No it wasn't Schaub, just like it isn't just Osweiler now... teams and qb's on a total different level, not comparing them
 
infantrycak said:
Some folks are fooling themselves. The owner of all 32 teams is the final arbiter. The idea someone hands over a billion dollar enterprise and just ignores it is ludicrous. There isn't a team in the league where the GM or HC makes a $100 mil decision and doesn't run it by the big guy. That's shear fantasy.

Bad results, ugly team lead to conspiracy theories. It's in vogue right now.
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Oh I agree. No underling, no matter how high up the chain of command they are, will make a major purchase/deal without getting approval from the guy that owns the business.
The diff - I think - is whether the owner is signing on to a deal setup by the folks he's paying to make those calls (because of their expertise/experience) or whether he's actually making those calls himself and dictating to his staff "this is what we we're going to do".
 
JB said:
The Texans were true contenders in 2011 & 2012 until Schaub collapsed. And don't compare the astros who started play in the 60's to the Texans who started play 40 years later. Point is that regardless of how they do, next season will start with the same hopes as this one did more or less


And no one is forcing you to follow the Texans. If you don't feel right supporting them, don't follow, don't spend money, don't talk about them. Even being here discussing them is a win for them.
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Tex already beat me to it but outside of maybe 2011 when a healthy Schaub would likely have beaten the Ravens, we've never been contenders.

And go back and read my post. The Astros comparison had nothing to do with 50+ years of history. I compared the Texans to the last 15 years of the Astros, a period in which the team was pathetic for nearly a decade, changed owners, changed GMs like 3 or 4 times, had more coaches than I can possibly remember, and yet with all of that, the Astros have STILL been more of a contender than the Texans.

You're right. No one is forcing me to watch, which is why I haven't since the Raiders game. This team is a magnet for disaster, whether that be by the refs, injury, or whatever. I'm almost ready to believe those that say the Dome must be built on an ancient Indian burial ground. That area is just flat out cursed.

And no, talking with you guys gives zero to McNair. Buying merchandise, stadium tickets, paying outrageous prices for food and beer, and all the rest that goes with fandom are actually supporting the team.

I hope they get it figured out. I've been as diehard in the past for the Texans as anyone. I had season tickets for a bit. My entire weekend was crafted around Texans games. But I'm finally tired of the predictability of it all. Watching this team is like watching the movie Groundhog Day. We can attempt to change as much as we can but in the end, we just get the same results we've always gotten. We always end up right back where we started watching bad to mediocre football.

But hey, don't let me piss in your cheerios!
 
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